JAKE GUENTZEL TRADED TO CAROLINA! FULL DETAILS
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- Here are my thoughts on the massive trade that sent Jake Guentzel from Pittsburgh to Carolina! If you guys enjoy this type of NHL content be sure to subscribe to the channel if you are new!
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Meant to say Cruz Lucius is scoring at around a point per game pace, not half point per game.
As a pens fan I’m not mad at this return but I was hoping for a 1st round pick
@@Aceez941I guess you better pray that the Hurricanes make it to the Cup Finals this year.
I will be
@@avecaesar8519 won’t happen. I would like it to but it wont
Ponomarev would be on some NHL rosters right now. He did really well in his short time called up to the Canes this year. Pittsburgh is getting some good prospects. Bunting brought some physicality to the Canes that they lacked last year but the return makes it worth it. The Canes still have the cap room to make another move tomorrow. Hopefully a center.
I've said this comment on your channel before but these conditions on draft picks are truly getting ridiculous.
I was going to reply to your comment. But conditions prohibit me from replying unless the Rangers make it past the 2nd round in the eastern playoffs and my mother makes chicken parm for dinner tomorrow night (she's vegetarian).
this comment was deleted due to the original poster waiting for the Arizona Coyotes winning the cup and sacrificing 15 goats under the full moon in the offseason after that win, to meet the conditions.
My comment is contingent of the penguins scoring 100 points……..If that doesn’t happen, the canes get a 2026 7th??
@@danevertt3210they only get a 7th if Mario shaves his head and grittys with gritty, but only if they start serving pink lemonade in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Otherwise they get a pair of flip flops, 2 sticks of winterfresh, and 3 gallons of bright blue paint, to paint the oilers logo on the pens ice, because apparently they own them.
real
As a pens fan, i am alright with this trade, jake was not resigning, he was a rental, so to get okay return ill take it. who knows what the players other than bunting turn out to be, but least this helps with the penguins prospect pool in their system. Penguins were not making the playoffs this year and its a stretch for next season too, it sucks but its time to look for the future maybe get one more run with sid before his time is up with younger players. Regardless this was going to happen, it happens to all teams, i am just lucky enough to have seen 3 cups in sids career, any fanbase would take that in a heartbeat.
Koivunen plays for my local team in LIiga, very skilled 2-way forward, can play both wing an center and is an excellent play driver/puck carrier on the pp, wouldnt say he is top-6 calibre on the NHL level but theres some serious potential there.
FACTS BRO. It’s a sad day forsure… but it’s a good move for the Pens considering we’re headed towards a couple rebuild years. As bitter as it is, I like it.
I no the money but pens could've made it work with Jake, to me this trade just cements the pens going nowhere for a good while.
As a Canes fan,, watch for Ponomarev to be good. sad to see him go...
Not getting a 1st round is an abomination tho. Like tell me how hertl and Sean Monahan even this Sean walker got a 1st round. But geuntzel can’t
Sad day to be a penguins fan especially after that caps game
@@randombutrelevant1606🤡
dude, I’m a caps fan and I was there tonight, I’m telling you it could’ve gone either way that result was a matter of who could pick up momentum and if they could keep it. Two very similar teams but sometimes one team dominates, you guys beat us 4-0 in the home opener so it’s all good lol
Terrible
They should let crosby go the guy shouldnt have to waste what he has left on such a terrible team
@@user-hj8lu5of4b true and Gm to and some others
As a canes fan, this brings immense joy to my soul, we robbed the top trade piece and filled a major major need. Hope to god this is our year
It won't end up looking like robbery if this is your year lol
@@Zac15still will be a robbery if they win , cause i’m sure if they win the cup jake will be in top 4 scoring on the team . also if they win the 1st pick will be pick 32.
@@randombutrelevant1606 Goal tending hasn't been an issue since December. Kochetkov is solid, Martin is solid, and Andersen is back
Actual prospects are worth more than draft picks. You already have an idea of how likely they are to make the NHL.
As a Pens fan, I hate this. Thanks for all of your great work, Jake!
No more Jake Shakes!
Sharks fan, pretty excited about Thompson so this works for me… Duclair has been playing some of his best hockey recently (thanks for doing that right before the deadline duke) and not just on the the break away which is what he is known for. Definitely see this one as a win win for the lightning and sharks
Already looking forward to your recap of the full day of trades
Three second rounders 4 rounder and Bunting for a rental. Koivunen really been solid and other prospects seems to have very good curve. Also potential for extra if canes succeed. I think its better return than people give credit for
Hey nyquist! Fellow red wings fan from Nova Scotia here 😊
As a penguins fan I like bunting but I would liked more quality instead of quantity either in a guaranteed 1st or a higher ceiling prospect
And they retained 25%!!!!!!!
Imo people put waaay to much value on 1st round picks. Sure if it turns out to be a top 5 pick overall in the draft it's a descent chance to land a franchise altering player but those types of picks are never traded.. Remember, a late 1st round pick has roughly the same value as an early 2nd round pick. And at the end of the day, picks are just "magic beans" there's no guarantee the player picked will turn into an NHLer. So with that in mind, I am surprised that people aren't putting higher value to prospects who are already drafted and are making good progress in the minors, no mather wherre they were drafted.
Considering that Guentzel wasn't going to resign, I really think this was a good trade for the Pittsburgh Penguins. They get 3 prospects (who are looking good so far), two picks and a player who can join the team and deliver straight away.
Magic beans...watchin too much steve dangle??Btw pastrnak was drafted 25 overall😅and if you want i can stretch it a bit more!Datsyuk went 171 overall!!😂thats some real potent beans!
@@TheChronicFiend Hehe, yeah, too much Dangle :D
But yeah, that was kinda my point. It's more about how you develope you prospects than overpaying for a 1st round imo.
The picks are just an extra. Koivunen and Ponomarev are the main pieces.
I could honestly cry, the only players on the team from the glory years are, Crosby, Malkin and letang. But that’s the sad reality of sport, what goes up must come down and unfortunately we started to free fall dramatically in a year we were tipped to make one last push. Heads up Pens fans, just like after the blow up in the 90s, we WILL be back!
this was a light return imo. Dubas must have some strong faith in at least one of those young guys
man why is this "Everyone's year"
but dang these trades are getting crazy
Sad to see Duke go but also knew it was inevitable. At the rate of things it was looking like maybe the Sharks were only going to get a third, so that plus an interesting project is a win in my books
The sound of those point totals in the AHL makes me envision a young version of either Brent Burns or Dan Boyle.
@@kevinstull8552 The Athletic ranked the Lightning's prospect pool as the 29th best in the league and they had 21-year old Thompson as the 3rd best prospect. This is what they had to say about him (my additions added in brackets).
After a really solid rookie pro season stepping onto the Crunch blue line and, as its youngest defenseman, looking like he belonged last year, Thompson has taken another step forward this season in a bigger role, earning his NHL debut along the way. He had a big year two years ago, leading all OHL defensemen in goals with 21 and finishing sixth in points with 57 (in 65 games) before closing out his junior career with another six goals and 14 points in just nine playoff games, as well as four points and a plus-10 rating in seven games for a gold medal-winning Team Canada at the summer world juniors. At the junior level, he established himself as an aggressive, minute-eating all-situations defenseman whose presence was felt at both ends of the rink. At the AHL level, he has kept his identity while beginning to make the right tweaks.
Offensively, he’s a shoot-first defender who likes to attack off the line, can beat goalies cleanly with his shot, and does a good job getting hard shots through traffic from the point. That aggression that he plays with in the offensive zone has also become a part of his game defensively, where he doesn’t search out hits but plays physically, using his timing to close gaps. He has upside as a solid third-pairing defenseman and a floor, at the very least, as an AHL call-up option. He’s not a super creative offensive playmaker, nor does he have the size [at 6'1, 185 lbs] that teams covet in their staunch defensive types, but he has a little bit of both along with a pro build and makeup and desirable handedness.
Duke said he's open to resigning with the Sharks this offseason. One could hope for the best outcome possible
Canes have the money to make a trade for buch or Vatrano work. 🔥
Pens fan for life here. This is a pretty good return. Getting a roster player that seems like the grinder playstyle would go well with Crosby. Essentially getting three 2nd round picks/players. 2 of which are further along in their development. And two 4th/5th round picks/players.
Considering Guentzel was gone this summer for nothing, it’s a great return.
Also considering the penguins are not in the playoffs, haven’t been in years, AND Guentzel is injured, it’s a good return. It sucks, but had to be done. I give it like a 6.8/10. Would have been nice to see a guaranteed first.
Sad day to be a pens fan :(
Let me preface I like our return, just confused about the conditions of the picks, it should’ve been a 1st guaranteed. Just kinda sucks :(
Same that’s the only real shitty part, aside from the obvious Jake leaving.
I have a feeling that Bunting will become a fan favourite in Pittsburgh, so that on its own is a win (from a certain point of view).
It’d be perfect if Guentz signed back in the offseason. Go 🐧
As a Canes fan I honestly like this trade, even if it’s a rental but of course I’d like them to keep him if he truly fits. None of those prospects outside of Ponomarev were going ti make the roster and Carolina tends to trade down in the draft anyway. I can’t be mad, never thought I’d see Guentzel in black and red
I wonder if Guentzel's return date to playing was the reason for such a low cost.
Just because there was no first its not bad. All the prospect seems like middle six potential at minium. Pens has so poor prospect pool it is okay to have good depth on it.
@@randombutrelevant1606 Craig Button is looking for a job
😭😭😭😭😭 im going to cry
i think people are heavily underrating these prospects they could possibly all be a part of pens roster next season and have top 6 potential, also if canes have success youll get a 1st rounder too + Bunting, honestly i think the trade is quite fair
100%, pono was excellent in his call up this year. Kids got a motor, isn’t afraid to work his ass off and carried top 6 upside if you ask me. Sad to see him go I really liked pono, also glad we didn’t give up morrow or nikishin. Win win if you ask me. Pens needed to get younger and stock up some youth and depth on that team.
Honestly I think the contenders for the East are Carolina and Florida, I mean they look unstoppable
This was a massive upgrade for the Canes. I’d watch out for them now.
It’s not that bad really. This is for a rental not only that we don’t know what else was on offer from other teams annnnd let’s be real we need to see how he goes not playing with one of the best players to every set foot on the ice.
FYI Cruz is scoring at a point per game pace not a half ppg
Don’t hate on ponomarev. He’s a talent with top 6 upside. Penguins your gonna love him, kid is a worker and has a lot of drive. Youth your team needs.
I just feel terrible for Sid
@@randombutrelevant1606 Bruins colors look like Pens colors
All four have complete control and can request a trade at any time.
The only upside to this deal is the possibility of seeing Guentzel in a Whalers jersey.
Well im rooting hard for the Canes to win the Cup now 😂 The Pens NEED quantity over quality. One late 1st round pick isn't enough to right the ship. They need youth up and down the organization. And there's an outside chance they still end up getting the 1st anyways. Solid return I think.
Pono is a talent that can play for the pens right now. Was excellent in his call up this season and on any other team he’d be playing already in the nhl. Kids a talent, with a hard work mentality. Pens are gonna love pono.
Suprised the canucks opted out on guentzel with such a low cost
Me as well!
@@OhNyquistMaybe they got their eyes on toffoli instead. His value has likely dropped incredibly after seeing this return.
@@kellan5290As a Canucks fan, I honestly preferred Toffoli to begin with. He’ll be cheaper than Guentzel, liked playing in Vancouver last time he was here, and he had insane chemistry with Petterson, who desperately needs a scoring winger. He also played with Lindholm in Calgary which gives the Canucks flexibility with the line up.
Top 6:
Hoglander - Petterson - Toffoli
Lindholm - Miller - Boeser
Or
Petterson - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Lindholm - Toffoli
@@jordannewman177 i know lol I am a nucks fan to but at this point they need to push hard for toffoli because we are falling behind.
Asking prices from different teams sometimes aren't made equal
as a pens fan, not happy about the conditions on the picks. i was expecting morrow to be in the trade, nikishin was a long shot, but overall im just disappointed
''Low Cost'' I dont agree totally its a decent return, they didnt move the top prospect but Pono & Koivunen look solid. 3 round seem possible if Andersson get in playoff form quick.
As a pens fan I'm disappointed on the return, Dubas states he was going for quality not quantity and he got the opposite
Wish you the best Jake, I was hoping for multiple prospects in return & hope they hit on at least on of them. Bunting brings some much needed chippyness. Heartbroken but hopeful.
I’m sad to see Jake go,but it’s time for a retool or rebuild,been fortunate for last 16 years of success,but the time has come!
Pens fan. i'm okay with this it;s better than noting have him walking in free agency and i would rather have quantity over quality considering how many picks we have and the prospect pool, would i rather just get the first round pick or have accepted New York's deal yeah but ill take it
We know what moving the needle means.. lmfao
As a pens fan my reaction is: meh.
I like bunting, but I don't know how he'll work in Sullivan's system.
Most of the prospects seem decent, but Dubas said earlier in the season he was looking for quality over quantity and didn't really stick to that today.
I think this season is probably a throw away for the Pens at this point, I'll probably be reluctantly rooting for the Canes this year in the playoffs, for Jake and for those draft picks.
As a pens fan: our season is over, so why not try to get something out of it. Our core is aging, so why not get younger. And there is a good chance Guentzel could sign back in the offseason.
Now… the conditions on the picks SUCK ASS, and I’m not crazy about Ty smith being included as I don’t feel the pens gave him a fair shot. I would rather of seen POJ go.
Yzerman been real quiet hope he's got something cooking but realistically he'll probably wait til the off season
I feel like it would have been a fair trade without the addition of either Panomarev OR Koivunen. It would have given the Pens, who should be gearing up for a rebuild let's be honest, a solid current player and a great future. Ponomarev and Koivunen included is going to bite the Hurricanes in the back down the line.
I think the return was pretty uninspiring without getting Morrow or Nikishin.
My one concern with this Hurricanes team is their lack of production from their 2C. To sustain any kind of success, the Canes should consider either moving Necas back to center and getting him a RW, or making a move for a 2C. Jack Drury's 26 points in 61 games leave something to be desired.
Hopefully kuznetsov helps there. Imo Drury should go back to 3c and kotkaniemi should be a scratch at this point
@@recneps8672 Jesperi Kotkaniemi should be a cap dump during the offseason. Or, perhaps, similarly to a Bunting.
Pens fan - Definitely a light-ish return because Dubas either needed a top prospect or a guaranteed first, and he got neither. Whether it’s his fault or the markets, this is a mild failure. Also for a beloved player, this feels mid.
Not part of the video but damn that blockbuster icon hits hard idk how many kids get the reference lmaoo
Right?? Haha
Pens fan. Not happy. We heard this whole time about teams "aggressively" pursuing Jake. That implies a better offer was turned down so that Dubas could get his boy Bunting. I realize it's all the same on July 1st so I'm not crying over what's lost here, but I'm REAL disappointed about what potentially could have been. Let's just be honest- none of these 3 guys are going to play more than 20 games for the Penguins, unless you're talking about the Baby Penguins.
I would have rather kept him then give him up for this he should have gotten bunting there 1st and both there 2nds
1:52 31 points in 32 games def isnt a half ppg
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Ohhhmyyyyyyyy
Did Montreal possibly get more for Ben Chariot then Pittsburgh got for Jake Guentzel😭
It’s not too bad for Guentzel, but I wish it was a guaranteed first
I wouldn’t be surprised as a personal decision guentzel after July 1 resigns in Pittsburgh just to retire with them
Dubas just got gaped
Goo Ong to be a cranky GM end of year party
Guentzel plays with Crosby. Can he produce in yoffs without?
im dead inside...
Buck up camper.
Considering that everyone knew that the Pens couldn't resign Jake, I feel it is a pretty solid return...without the picks. Dubas had zero leverage in this trade, and got three young prospects who are about a point per game where they are currently playing.
With today's loss, the Pens are, officially, in a draft lottery position with the tenth worst record in the league. Macklin Celebrini....here we come.
Pens fan here. We sucked with him, we’re gonna suck without him. Hopefully the picks turn out good, hopefully the prospects turn out good; either way, we’ve all seen their progress and decline this season. It was a great team to watch for multiple years!!
@@randombutrelevant1606 conditional 2nd and a fifth?
I’m a pens fan and we all knew Jake had to go. The return isn’t great but it’s something. I doubt Carolina will keep Jake so you could always try to get him back😂. In all seriousness nobody else seemed to be biting so Carolina had him by the balls and Dubas just got what he could. Pens are younger and can now root for the canes in the playoffs
The Penguins are a mess right now. Is Dubas even doing a good job this season?
That return for pit is very very underwhelming imo like not even getting a first in return?!!?
L move by the pens. as a fan i like the players they got. i was looking at the stats of the prospects and where they were drafted and im not mad at it. but we shouldve got a guaranteed 1st rounder. its possible dubas go into the off-season without a 1st rounder at all, and thats just gonna put salt in the wound thats already them missing the playoffs for the 2nd straight year. dark times are ahead for sure
Bunting with sid could be gross
Yeah, he was a pretty solid finisher, in Toronto, with Matthews and Marner.
I feel like we got nothing for the kind of player jake guentzel is
I feel alright about the return. Everyone crying about it on twitter is pretty dumb tbh, we need any prospects we can get and there are more moves to be made, plus if we keep losing, we get the first rounder back from the Karlsson trade
Go Canes!
Now just gotta get a different coach. Sully system is stale but won't happen
fleece fleece fleece
*SARCASM* Great asset management, three C-level prospects that will likely never play in the NHL, a guy in Michael Bunting who will be waived next year along with two inconsequential draft picks. As a Penguins fan, I'm ashamed with how this team was constructed on Dubas' watch.
I want to die that’s how I feel we got fleeced
sell away the future in Pittsburgh Kyle
Please do Sid a favor and trade him, Mr. Dubas
sid don't wanna leave Pittsburgh. this city is like home for him now
Jake is 30… did Sid make him we will see…
Pens got fleeced
Pens W tbh
Hi everyone from a vegas fan
I literally know jack lol, played form,y local triple A team. I’m glad he went to a team that he can get a real shot to play
ONLY WAY WE WIN THIS TRADE IS IF JAKE RESIGNS WITH THE PENS THIS SUMMER.
As a pens fan bunting better produce how he did in Toronto or it’s just total garbage of a trade. There’s a good chance none of those prospects or picks work out at all. Thought he wanted quality then went total opposite direction. Would rather just have guentzel than this junk.
As a Pens fan, I think the return is a tad underwhelming, but I still think its really fair, contrary to the public's opinion! Guentzy was likely not resigning in the offseason, and we couldnt afford to lose him for nothing. We added a bunch of solid prospects to our weak pool, the condition on the 1st is what makes this trade worse than it could've been, its a risk. However, I am content, and I think Dubas, given the though situation he was in, made out fairly well. It could've of course been better, but it could've been much worse too.
Awful trade for Pittsburgh. This couldn’t be all you get and if Carolina doesn’t win the cup you get a second!!???? wtf is Dubis doing. This is where the inexperience shows
I have been a fan for over 7 years, this was a terrible trade not even a gurenteed first
Very little return. The 1st should be guaranteed. Only hope is to sign him as ufa in summer. Dubas miss on this trade. Non the less probably still better then what hextall would off done! So win win go penz
I HATE THIS TRADE AHHHHHHHHH PITTSBURGH GOT FLEECED
dubas is the worst gm. didnt even get a first round pick for jake. these prospects were not even first rounders. lucius was a 4th round pick. just embarassing. dubas is awful
Its just sad and a lil underwhelming
i wonder how crosby is feeling about that trade
dont love it
This just looked like a rebuild trade from the Pens side
Thought he'd be a Red Wing.
So the Pens could have signed Bunting as a UFA last offseason and passed, only to trade their best winger for him within the division? Sounds stupid. F Dubas, he trades for a "Leaf". Simply sign Jake Guentzel instead of this garbage. Instead of picking up an A prospect Dubas gets 3 B level prospect and gives up Ty Smith. More players instead of a good player. Instead of a 1st round pick Dubas gets a 2nd. PENS = FLEECED! Remember Dubas traded for Reilly Smith instead of signing UFA Bunting over summer. YIKES!