38 Special +P 158 grain battle: Underwood Item 733 vs Remington HTP velocity & gel snubnose LCR test
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2023
- 38 Special +P 158 grain battle: Underwood Item 733 vs Remington HTP Muzzle Velocity & Ballistic Gel shooting test from a 1.9" barrel (snub nose) Ruger LCR
filmed March 21, 2023 (and yes, the Winter Storm Warning verified so we have EVEN MORE SNOW on the ground now) - Věda a technologie
Underwood and Buffalo Bore make some really awesome .38+P loads. Thanks for another great video DDR.
👍👍well done Dave, thanks. First day of spring here in central Alabama…….low mid 40s and high mid 70s. Two days ago it was 26 in the morning. Hope it warms up for ya.
I love the snub 38 tests!
Me too. This LCR has never failed me. It's a marvelous gun. My wife also has a snubbie, a Taurus Gold Trigger edition, and despite the manufacturer reputation it also has been 100% reliable.
@GeographyCzar I own all kinds of revolvers, Colts Smiths Rugers Astra Manurhin and Taurus, my two model 65 Taurus's are just as accurate and reliable as any wheel guns I own.
I do have an older taurus m66 357 mag 6 shot from the 80's that's simply amazing!!! Love that pre-lock trigger!!! The fit and finish is amazing as well and it really hasn't been shot. The finish isn't even wirn on the recoil shield.
I have a Taurus 65 from the late 70's that's absolutely mint, excellent guns.
Good stuff as usual, thanks for your efforts in getting these results out there.
I really appreciate your videos. Great information and you really seem to be enjoying yourself even in 3 feet of snow.
I love the concept of the 158 grain LSWC: whack the target with a big, heavy slug. The downside is that if you want reliable hollow point expansion, you have to put up with abusive recoil. I'm not really recoil sensitive as I shoot .357 magnum/.40/.45 loads and it doesn't bother me. However, I fired some Buffalo Bore 158 LSWC standard pressure through my 1971 Colt Detective Special and the recoil from the six rounds was enough to loosen the grips! (Granted, you won't notice this if your life is on the line.) I'm just not sure if this is the right load for a lightweight snub for the average shooter, as they might fear the recoil and not want to practice with their carry load. I think a good expanding 110/125 grain load might be a better option.
100% Yes to all of that.
Majority of 38 spl HP dont expand. Not moving fast enough. 2 or 3 holds will work.
Thanks again, Dave, for defying Old Man Winter to bring us this information! 👍👍
Thanks, This is very infformative . I wiill be stocking up on the Underwood.
In the past the 158 grain LHP was considered at its best in a four inch gun
Still hard to beat… even those Remingtons
Thanks for the test
You're welcome!
I was quite surprised by the Remington's consistency. Disappointed by the lack of expansion though. They need a softer lead alloy if they are going to run that slow. And maybe some of that fancy coating to keep the barrel clean. Did they have gas checks?
I wish the Underwoods were more consistent. That first one clearly delivered a real thump by knocking everything down. I always thought knock down power was a myth.
You know, I didn't even see a gas check on that Remington. But man... dat consistency tho...
@@GeographyCzar I am deeply impressed with that consistency of HTP. Also they are much more shootable. HTP had a great wound track for what it is. I actually carry HTP daily in my 856UL. Great video. Also I’m pretty sure they are not gas check. I did quite a few tests with HTP LSWCHP ammo. It’s made me happy to see the ammo on your channel a few times.
@@jw-sigp2258 it's a really good round, very shootable compared to the Underwood or Buffalo Bore 158 grain SWCHP. It expanded in the other tests I did, but the basic design is old, not engineered for the gel and denim test that has become the standard.
@@GeographyCzar i couldn’t agree more. It’s done well for me in leather, water jug, thin plywood, 2 more water jugs, and clothing bundle behind last jug. But when I’ve done denim and gel it’s identical to what you got in this video. What I like about it though is even when it doesn’t open up its still a swc. I look forward to more of your pistol and revolver ammo testing.
@@jw-sigp2258 cool! Thanks for watching!
Glad it hit MN and not so much WI. Sorry neighbor but excellent review as always...lipstick flavor....😅
so if it was warmer. the Rem load would be a little faster than it was. but still not bad.
Good video. I would carry the Remington over the Underwood. Less recoil, excellent penetration, and very consistant velocities. Less recoil translates into better shot placement. In my opinion "over penetration" is very overblown by the gun community. By the time a shot has penetrated clothing, ribs, muscle, and 12 inches of soft tissue there is not a huge amount of energy left from a 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter. Now, that said, I carry loads that are only coming out of a 1.88 inch snubby at about 750 fps. I'm not sure there is any significant advantage the +p loadings in a bullet that is NOT going to expand. Plus, my arthritic old hands don't miss the extra recoil.
The only 38 special I own is a rossi m68 3 inch.
I'm intrigued. If four feet isn't point blank range, what do you consider point blank? I personally call 15 to 21feet point blank. You can't miss distance. Unless it's a mosquito 🦟
Our mosquitoes require#8 shot or bigger. They'll shake off #9 and keep coming. When I see that sun start of drift toward the northwestern horizon, I get a heavy door between me and those winged zombies! 😅
But "point blank" definitely means different things to different people. The big advantage of a revolver over a semiauto is that there's no slide to push out of battery if you're pressing the muzzle up against a perpetrator's sternum. I think of point blank in a gun fight as the distance where you will hit your target every time reflexively without aiming.
And uphill both ways 🤣
Exactly!
Good vid! But, as usual for the 158 LSWHP/LHP bullet, your results show why they are mostly useless in 38 Special revolvers (they even fail at times out of full size .38's) and why these slugs are only viable when fired out of a .357 Magnum at full velocities. Even then, there are better, more suitable jacketed bullets that work even better! The LSWCHP and LHP bullets are old tech that were always a better choice than the standard lead round nose bullets commonly in use back in the bad old days but today are simply out classed by much better bullets that actually work, even out of 38 snubbies! They really have no place in todays defensive line up of ammunition although there are still old timers that believe in them. Fortunately, they don't often have to prove their uselessness in todays world very often because if they were used more often, people would finally be forced to realize how out of date they are. Much like those who insist on using FMJ ammo in their semi auto's, the newer tech bullets simply out perform them by very wide margins!
Ok, it is absolutely true that anyone that gets shot at, miss or hit, is probably going to turn tail and beat feet in some other direction. However, in the relatively rare situations where some goon without any sense of survival at all is confronting our defender, you want a bullet in your pistol or revolver that is going to cause as much damage to our black hatted villian as possible, to stop him from unscrewing your head as quickly as possible! There are many good choices out there: Speer Gold Dots, HST, Golden Sabers and my favorite, that is in all of my defensive handguns, the Underwood version of the Lehigh Xtreme Defender. These bullets are available in just about every caliber and, although relatively new to the market, work better than any hollow point bullet available! I suspect that as time goes on, anyone with a few brain cells to mix together will be adopting these bullets for defensive use, including departments that usually frown on anything new. But they will come to realize (eventually!) that these bullets simply work and work very well indeed! It's just a matter of time but the word is spreading. And of course, anyone that currently uses FMJ ammo in any handgun, would be foolish to pass up on this ammo because the Lehigh bullets have a round nose profile and even if they don't work as good as Lehigh (and their new owner Bill Wilson, of Wilson Combat fame) says they do (except they do!) why take a chance on using FMJ ammo that you *know* is just going to poke a hole and probably over penetrate? Something the Lehigh bullet does NOT do! Beats the hell out of me...
Cheers,
jc
You havin a bad day? You sure unleashed a helluva weight of sound and fury signifying notta. Maybe take a Chill Pill, like a +p 158 gr lswchp_ that'll cure what's ailing ya. Critter. Hee
Oh yeah, that Underwood 158 grain LSWCHP really underperformed. Give me a break. Several of those modern jacked hollow points you listed fail to perform out of short barrels because they aren’t loaded to adequate velocities. Go look at the lucky gunner .38 special ammo testing results.
When shooting through the chronograph you did not have a back stop. From the angle of the chronograph your bullets are going over the top of trees. Who knows where they will land. Very unsafe. And you fumble too much.
Lighten up Francis! He had hiked into the woods, in the snow, and had about a million trees as a backdrop and likely a hill or ravine beyond (hard to tell from the video). If he had been deer hunting with a .308 Winchester there wouldn't be a backdrop either. Presumably he is on state land where it is legal to hunt/shoot not in a neighborhood, otherwise he would not be bitching about having to carry all that gear 30 minutes into the woods.