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WHY I Bought A Piper Lance - Owner Interview
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2021
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On today’s episode of Everyday Pilot, we stop by David's hangar where stores his low wing high performance airplane; the Piper Lance. David became a certified pilot few years ago, after his first flight decades ago. He trained in his own aircraft, a piper tomahawk. When he was ready to carry more people and take his family places, David opted for a 6 seater with great bones; A piper Lance.
The Piper Lance is a single piston engine, six-seat, high-performance aircraft with a 300 hp Lycoming engine. Piper started producing these airplanes back in 1975. The Cherokee 6 came first, then the Piper Lance was designed with retractable landing gear. When you follow the Piper models, from the Cherokee 140, to 180. The Lance comes after as the big brother. Later on Piper introduced the Piper Saratoga with a tapered wing.
Here are Specs for this Piper Lance
Year: 1976
capacity: 6 seats
Engine: Lycoming IO 540 300hp
Range: 800 miles
Speed: 166 mph
Price: $100k - $180k
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Great analysis. Let the owner talk, you learn so much.
Great owners to talk with. Guy knows what he is doing and has clear goals!.
I'd really like to learn more about his story. Seems like a really down-to-Earth guy.
What an inspirational gentleman, thank you sir-God bless
Thank you for your service. The man loves aviation, you can’t fake that.
It's really nice to hear from the owners perspective thanks for sharing Mike
Yeah this guy is awesome! Lots of great life experience. Very relatable! A family man, business owner who loves to fly. Just to provide an experience for his family!
great interview very upfront and forward man there we appreciated this one for certain
I really like his approach. Somebody who has worked his ass off and enjoying his life. Best part is he doesn't like High wings. Same here.
I gained my solo and PPL in a C172. Then through fate started with an arrow as the 210 I wanted to get a hold of was not insured (!?!?). If only myself and one other person for the weekend the turbo arrow was my love. The Lance I hired got some got trips though also. Lots of good memories!
Very instructive video to hear the real owner talk about his own decisions and needs. Thanks!
Honest assesment of a beautiful aircraft. I got my Lance endorsement many years ago but after 50 hours or so could not afford to fly. Stopped being a skydiving instructor ~7 years ago with 10,000 jumps and looking forward to getting my PPL back up to speed.
This guy has it right. He’s got a great airplane and the right attitude about it. Identify what it is you need a plane to do for you, and then buy that airplane. For me, that plane is an Arrow II or III. I am currently looking for one that I can buy and personalize to my liking.
Smart guy. Thanks for the vid Mike!
Mojo, thanks for your channel. Vids like this are really informative.
Always get a prebuy...a GOOD prebuy, not a bs logbook review. Also make sure you get it done by someone who has never worked on the plane Good advice.
I flew cargo in Lances back in the early 80's and really liked the airplane. Great machine.
He sound very passionate about his hobby and life. Thanks for sharing.
Good Video. You Seem Like A Real Straight-Shooter & It's Almost Like An Infomercial For The Lance! Thank You.
Mike I've really enjoyed these pilot reports. When I started flying I quickly realized that I had figured pilots and aircraft owners were some different species. Nah. David's description of the whole process for him is a reminder of how I felt when I started meeting pilots. It's all understandable and (mostly) logical. For some people it is a source of arrogant pride of course, but mostly, no. David wasn't boasting, he was taking the opportunity to share the experience and give a few tips. He is an example of the type of person I've met through flying. The best pilots are the most humble and encouraging people. You need to care more about what is happening than the sound of your own voice. I was reminded of this when talking to the pilot of a large warbird at an air show in Australia mid 2022. We were wondering about the flap and de-icing stuff. He knew so much interesting stuff about the systems and why they were done that way. We complimented him on the gentle grace and respect in his handling of the old machine. I think it's the only one flying? It turned out he is a rather experienced airline pilot who gives his time to looking after those machines. He wouldn't have mentioned that if I hadn't asked.
I own a T tail and a straight tail Saratoga and have no issues at all with the T tail it's a great airplane
Good video, the word “release” resonated with me deeply. Everyone has to have a “release”…something to remind you of why you work and offer you stress relief so that you can keep working and enjoying life.
Great video Mike!
Beautiful plane!...Love this guy's delivery. He should do more vids of his beautiful plane.
Looking at buying a Lance or Saratoga after the C-172 is paid off so this was very informative for me.
Like him I started in USAF Aero Club in 1983. 150/152, warrior, C-172 rates were $14-$28 wet.
Most important lesson is selecting a plane. Know the mission.
Great interview. Easy for you. Thanks.
I've been gone for a while, so it's nice to see your videos again. Fly safe Mike.
Great story and experience share, thanks.
Hi Mike, thanks for the video, this guy is great.
He's an honest Guy !!!!
Excellent video Mike.
Great video, very informative and cool to get some straight up opinions.
Great interview Mike 👍🏼
If you going to do hours over a weekends it does take longer, but if you have enough money and fly everyday you seem to stay in the loop and remember your lesson's better, i done my PPL in 40 hours, but the best is to dedicate yourself totally to your ppl during the lessons, it saves you a lot of cash and time, so taking your vacation to do your ppl is best, choose your time of the year wisely, choose a time of the year were the best weather is provailing bad weather days makes you slide background, constant feel of the aircraft is beat
Really nice planned guy, I like it a whole lot.
This man is life itself ❤️
Fantastic airplane. I'm on the hunt for a Lance or a Six/300. Also, thanks for your service.
P.S. I did it in 40 ;)
So proud of you David Kadish 👏
That's awesome, as a fellow weapons troop turned pilot who's also looking at a 6 seater it's one hell of a coincidence we did the same job in the air force and leaning towards the same plane. I'm actually looking to.build time for my R-ATP and also for family trips
Just started back flying last week. It’s been 25 years ago March. We have a similar story. I didn’t get to finish my private back in 1996 when I was in the Navy. I too plan to buy after I’m qualified and can get insurance. Really haven’t decided on my first plane but that PC 12 would be nice in a few years or so.
Excellent content. Great story.
Enjoyed the story.
Super great interview.
Thanks for sharing
Great video, congrats on your lovely airplane - but one thing - some people do obtain their PPL in 40 hours - I completed mine in exactly the minimum required at an approved school - 35 hours back in 1976 - including checkouts in 4 diferent types of AC - PA-28 Cherokee 140C, C-152, C-172 and Beagle Pup 100. Happy Landings
Straight-talking guy.....go flying and chill. Cheers
Our club used to have a Lance I was lucky to afford acouple flights in it,,,Nice plane He have, great up grades
Thanks Mike. Great summary. Good talk.
That would be really cool to have your pilot's licence ? I am in my mid forties and I wasn't in a military so it's likely too late for learning at this point? But would be an amazing achievement?
I usually just read and not post, but; it’s NEVER too late to learn. I got my PPL at 57 and added my instrument rating and now working on commercial rating at 61. Flying is amazing! As they say at least for the PPL that it’s a license to learn. It’s a never ending learning process to maintain but absolutely worth it. Go for it, you won’t regret it!
Never too late! Go get er done!
@@therealjimmysworld is this Jimmy with the cheapest Cherokee six?
I got my PPL at 51. You think it’s too late at 45?? Come on man
Get your instrument rating! Enjoyed this video. Best of luck!
Hello from a fellow 77 Lance owner
Thanks great airplane!!!!
Technically, it looks like a 1977 model, built in late ‘76 as it has the ‘77 paint scheme and club seating not available on debut 1976 models (although modifiable).
Cool dude straight talk 🦜
Private Pilot in 37 hours. I had Navy Chief for an instructor.
I feel the same way, got to get my wheels up, weekly usually :)
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I was the equivalent in the Australian Air Force 80's and early 90's.......great days indeed....also got my pilot's licence during that time
PA32 has to be my dream plane (thats reasonably attainable)
Nice 👍🏻
Man, I'm stuck between the '79 Cherokee Six (94 gal vs 84 gal UF on the previous MYs) and the Lance. If I had both aircraft installed with all the speed mods that LoPresti and/or Laminar Flow Systems offer so that they can fly at their fastest TAS for their fuel burn, is it really worth the 5-10 kt difference and 200lb useful load increase between the Six and the Lance for the added maintenance items and insurance cost of having retractable gear?
This was helpful. Thank you! What’s the insurance cost?
I’ve worked on that plane and know that guy!
Looks like a senior Bruce Willis
Heinz Rühmann, german actor, used to fly for the same reason.
I’m interested to know, what are the usual occupations of these guys he interviews.
Poor glide ratio related to Hershey wing. The Arrow also has a crap glide ratio for the same reason. BTW transport category aircraft eg 737s etc have glide ratios of 20:1
I had a t tail lance
I am the man of the house. I make the money and I make the decisions. I bought my Piper Lance because my wife let me buy it
7:1 glide ratio. Damn :)
With a ratio like that and being an old construction I'm assuming it runs avgas, isn't it quite expensive to fly?
GA is in a terrible state, we are straining to barely fly old junk. Might as well be cubans. Rather than pay 150k for a 1976 plane we should have brand new twin jets running jetA for that price. Going 700km/h at FL400. 4 seater weighing 300kg. Ditch those pianos you are hauling around, things get easier.
What you propose is absolutely unrealistic! General aviation is a very expensive lifestyle and it is not for everyone. Even new light sports aircrafts are from $100000 to 300,000. Light sport is going thru major changes by 2023. Increased weight, bigger planes, faster speeds and a few other things. Sure people can get some cheap planes out there, but in aviation, cheap is not always best. With new technology in General aviation( Rotax 915, glass panels, etc..) always comes with increases in price.
@@mauriceevans6546 glass panel is just very overpriced ipads. It has great potential for being cost effective, even much better than current products. And it doesn't have to be much cheaper than the current 150 to 200k just monobody composite and two small jets instead of a piston lump. It can easily be done.
@@DanFrederiksen you’re right on. I’m a retired aerospace engineer and the ga community has few choices I think because manufacturing is no longer fashionable. We should be flying engineered composites with hud and turbines. Your right also about spending all that money for glass dash when an iPad is better and easier to upgrade.
@@LTV_inc I'm all for aviation specialized glass, I'd just want it to be a bit more forwardly ambitious, not least on price. radio circuitry today is not a challenge so it should be an all in one unit rather than fleecing you 3-4k for every little sub module like a radio. A display today is dirt cheap so they are defeating themselves and us by pretending 7 inch is worth anything. I would do one great unit and maybe offer software options for price differentiation. Semicon progress isn't that great these days so I think you should be able to pull off a 6 year product cycle if you do it really well up front, can't really ask for better cost reduction than that. you'd almost need to fire everyone between product cycles.
An OLED 20 inch unit would be cool. No legacy graphics clutter. We don't need a compass rose cluttering the display nor speed tape. Just crisp digits at the bottom or top, the rest is clear synthetic vision, switchable to map. We just need one of the producers to do it right and it will naturally force the others to wake up.
Same with a small turbofan engine product. I think it would energize the plane makers. First one to make one will force the hand of the others and then it's done.
Mike Patey could well pull off a tiny turbofan production. Could well be a 100 million dollar company in no time and spun off. Textron might itch to buy it.
Most like Cirrus would still botch the price but if some of the LSA makers did a light twin jet it could well be around 200k$ and that would change things.
If you series produce a 10kg turbofan engine, there is no reason it should cost more than 10k$. So 2 of those would be significantly less than a Rotax 915. And infinitely less than the 141k$ an IO580 costs. I think it would really energize GA to have private jet reach at LSA budget effortlessness. The quiet stratospheric speed to really go places. Of course computerized ATC and autopilot could help reduce any ensuing chaos.
Why do they call them Hershey bar wings?
Because they resemble the shape of a Hershey chocolate 🍫
Hershey bar is a basic rectangle. Other aircraft and especially airliners have wings with more complex shape. Longer tapered wings, or fighter jets may have a more triangular wings.
@@chetmyers7041 thank you for taking the time to explain this to me I hope you have a wonderful day!
Nobody does it in 40 hours..? I did it in 41.7 or so. My cousin did it less than 50. Part 91 mind you.
You mean part 61?
@@LordRawnsley
Not really.
Wasn't any kind of flight school. It was our personal aircraft and our buddy who is a flight instructor.
Yeah that’s part 61. You’re thinking of part 61(doing it via a private instructor) vs part 141(an approved flight school) part 141 has a curriculum that allows you to basically train to proficiency.
@@LordRawnsley
Yeah I suppose it can be read that way.
Regs have always been my weak point. And that's definitely not a knock on my instructor, he has a very good grasp on the regs. I'm just dumb lol.
Eh me too. Haha
HahHaha. Did anyone else pick up the McDonald’s job?
Yep, i have figured even though on my 65k a year i make (which is great in northern Michigan cost of living is cheap) i managed to get a license, owning a plane big enough gor my family of 5 is unobtainable. You need to be like this guy own a company and be some rich guy. Don't get me wrong, i bet he worked his ass off. But i have no desire to own a company or make tons of money. Chasing dollars is not living.
But it just shows flying is for the well off or rich fucks of society. Guess ill go back to my blue collar job (trucking), and dream of something i can never afford
Brother it’s is expensive but not impossible, I’m just a Hilo driver making about 70k a year and I have had my Cherokee and my license for twenty years now. Cherokee is a great machine with lower cost of ownership than most other aircraft. Not just for rich people.
@@stephanfiebich1561 20 years ago is not today. Sorry with inflation stagnant wages it's out of my reach.