Is the Piper SARATOGA the BEST 6 seater single? | Walkaround & Flight

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  • čas přidán 15. 12. 2021
  • Ash does a walkaround and flight in this gorgeous #PiperSaratoga! An absolutely awesome luxury 6-place single engine aircraft, this was Piper's replacement to the Comanche production line. The Saratoga is the later of the PA32 line, preceded by the PA32 Cherokee 6 and the PA32 Piper (Cherokee) Lance.
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  • @hawkdsl
    @hawkdsl Před 2 lety +18

    To be the best plane in any category, all you need is "Piper" in the name.

    • @CreepinCreeper145
      @CreepinCreeper145 Před 2 lety +8

      Oooh careful what you say, you might rile up some Cessna and Beechcraft fans/owners.
      But to be fair, the PC-12 NGX is the top dog in single engine turboprops.

    • @hawkdsl
      @hawkdsl Před 2 lety +3

      @@CreepinCreeper145 It certainly is the Chevy Suburban of airplanes. If you got a three kid family, it will haul all the crap that follows a clan like that... and with useful load left over... However, price and maintenance is a killer for the PC 12. The less squawk prone M600 is top in class, and at a reasonable price. I do love the PC 12, but bang for the buck, the M600 is the very best all around turboprop ever made.

    • @AwestrikeFearofGods
      @AwestrikeFearofGods Před 3 měsíci

      @@hawkdsl By "squawk prone" do you mean emergency prone?

  • @paulwilson7622
    @paulwilson7622 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I learnt to fly in a Tomahawk RPPL, xcoubtry in Warriors up to initial CPL training. I then continued in PA32 including CPL test.
    Years as an ATPL but continued to fly the 32 when able.
    I have, way in the past, flown Bonanzas/Barons, C206/7 and 210, in my opinion, not as good as a 32. Also flown Malibu which was good.
    Even as a jet pilot moonlighted in the 32
    I love them, a perfect small passenger/cargo aircraft, a flying station wagon, easy to operate and roomy (im 6'3"). Taken my family on holidays in them across Aus, Europe renting them in UK (I held their licence) also in USA.
    A Piper 235/6 with its 6 cyl Lyc eng, a good machine too. Great load carrier

  • @nathanlindley
    @nathanlindley Před rokem +2

    This was an excellent format! Loved the walk around and flight.

  • @thomasbauer8329
    @thomasbauer8329 Před 4 měsíci +1

    What a GREAT video! So informative and so well done! Thank you for doing this!

  • @TIO540S1
    @TIO540S1 Před rokem +5

    I had mine for just under 20 years. It was a wonderful airplane and took me all over the US. I strongly recommend the Saratoga as a cross country IFR capable platform fir a family of four.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem +1

      Glad you agree! Such a good plane! 😁

    • @coasternut3091
      @coasternut3091 Před rokem

      How does it do in incidental ice?

    • @TIO540S1
      @TIO540S1 Před rokem

      @@coasternut3091 Mine had only a heated prop. Ice was a thing to be scrupulously avoided and I did so, so I can't say how it would have done.

  • @DeadstickAdventures
    @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +6

    Hey guys! If you enjoyed this video, please SUBSCRIBE! It only takes a second and it helps us out a heap. Cheers, Ash :)

  • @lavernmiller3148
    @lavernmiller3148 Před rokem +8

    Currently looking for my first airplane and the Saratoga definitely seems to be a better buy than the Cherokee Six. I love it.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem +1

      Saratogas are awesome if you’re happy with the couple $$ extra for maintenance. Cherokee 6s (300 not the 260) are awesome planes too. Just a bit slower but will haul whatever you put in them :)

  • @skyblazer9137
    @skyblazer9137 Před 7 měsíci +2

    06 Saratoga 2 TC is my baby with a mod of a IO-720 fantastic climb out loaded and a saving of 4gal an hour. Lots of mods. No parachute. LOL 🤠😎

  • @mts592
    @mts592 Před 2 lety +2

    Excellent video!!
    So full of information and great video 👍👍

  • @Browneye2566
    @Browneye2566 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I used to fly a Saratoga out of Camden airport a few years ago. Lovely aircraft. My favourite. I flew Arrows before that, so it was a nice comfy step up when I ended up with more kids.
    Great vid mate. Well done.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 10 měsíci +1

      They are a great aircraft, very comfortable. Thanks for the comment

  • @andycampbell5491
    @andycampbell5491 Před rokem +1

    I have a 2006 Saratoga ll TC and she is just a joy to fly. The Avidyne EX5000 cockpit is intuitive and effective, but support is scant and expensive. The fully coupled AP takes the aircraft down to 200’ without a problem when used with Jeppesen charts via the twin GNS430W’s. No more that two adults in the back for comfort and still keeping 3.5 hrs endurance is the best you can do. She’s nose heavy so load from the back is the recommendation. A very sort after six seater.

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 Před 2 lety +4

    I’m so excited to flying a PA32 in my times and what a Highly Single engine non asperated aircraft and the three blade prop made a big difference on climb out and cruise once the gear is up and flaps raised and positive rate of climb and yes the T-Tail was not good on the time when you needed more elevator on your flare on landing..

    • @dieselyeti
      @dieselyeti Před 2 lety +2

      I never had an issue with the T-tail Lance; carrying an extra 5-10kt into the flare was all it took.

  • @Allegan49010
    @Allegan49010 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I was trained in Pipers and always enjoyed flying them including the Saratoga. Ended up with C210 only because of the utility and more comfort for a tall pilot like me!! Saratoga is cabin class for most people with lots of comfort...

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 9 měsíci

      The 210 certainly has a more flexible seating position! Great aircraft, I loved flying them. We’ve got a 210 video coming out soon actually. Thanks for watching :)

  • @johnmajane3731
    @johnmajane3731 Před 2 lety +6

    I have a fair amount of time in a both the Saratoga and Saratoga SP. Great flying planes. They have an excellent useful load.I have flown both with myself and five passengers. The club seating is very nice. They handle a bit truck like and they are stable IFR platforms. The forward baggage compartment as you say is great for weight and balance.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem

      Absolutely, great aircraft. Thanks for watching and commenting John!

    • @richardandersen8198
      @richardandersen8198 Před 6 měsíci

      Just bought a 1981 PA32R-301! It needs some minor fixes but what I really feel like I’m missing is the original POH. I’ve downloaded one for the same year and model and it indicates under Normal Procedures (cold start) that I go mixture full rich, turn on the fuel pump and turn on the engine with the fuel pump on and then the procedure goes to Hot Start, never indicating “fuel pump off”. I have very few hours in Saratoga’s, but what I’ve always seen done is mixture rich, fuel pump on for aprox 5 seconds, mixture cutoff, fuel pump off, crank to start, engine starts, immediately mixture full rich.
      What am I missing in the poh that indicates something completely different?

  • @averyjohnson2321
    @averyjohnson2321 Před rokem

    Awesome Video!!!

  • @_K_W
    @_K_W Před 2 lety +1

    Very nice. Flying as a crewman all my life. Just getting into the pilot side, I appreciate the review

  • @robertbrown3844
    @robertbrown3844 Před 2 lety +6

    My favorite is the PA32-260 with a CS prop
    Four people, full fuel, four sets of golf clubs, a great plane.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +2

      I love the Cherokee 6, great aircraft! Does everything a 206 does at a much reduced purchase price!

    • @petersmith8134
      @petersmith8134 Před 2 lety

      @@DeadstickAdventures Purchase price reflects sale price. Far easier to sell a 206 as opposed to a Cherokee 6 also.

    • @petersmith8134
      @petersmith8134 Před 2 lety

      The C210 is good for golf. The rear seats come out quickly and 4 bums with clubs works very well.

    • @lv8920
      @lv8920 Před 2 lety

      @@petersmith8134 whats your point ?
      you buy let say at 500.000,- and sell at 200.000,- (206) or you buy at 300.000,- and sell at 100.000,- (piper). The loss is the same. And when the Piper is cheaper to operate, piper wins.

    • @petersmith8134
      @petersmith8134 Před 2 lety

      @@lv8920 Show me a 500k 206 that sold for 200k please.

  • @lawrencesalvestrin5979
    @lawrencesalvestrin5979 Před 2 lety +1

    I did my constant speed retractable in jgm way back in 1996.I did about 30 hours in it,always a lovely forgiving aircraft to fly.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Oh no way! Was that back when it was in Adelaide? It’s had quite a number of owners by the looks!

    • @lawrencesalvestrin5979
      @lawrencesalvestrin5979 Před 2 lety

      @@DeadstickAdventures back then it was owned by john perrit from hay.i used to hire it from him.it was beige exterior thin red stripes down the sides.inside was a maroon velour on the seats.I believe it was sold to someone from Adelaide .worst decision I made was not buying it at the time.regards lawrence

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 Před 2 lety +1

    The Aircraft I’ve flown was a Saratoga SP model

  • @v1rotate391
    @v1rotate391 Před 2 lety +1

    I own a straight tail Lance, the precursor to the Saratoga. One of the wing gauges flew out and had it overhauled at Piper Lock Haven Parts for $170. They won’t replace just the gauge. Mine are super accurate and easy to read. Same fuel tank system, but the toga holds 8 gallons more. Toga doesn’t hold as much weight as a Lance either. Parts are similar.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem +1

      Wow that’s a good price. Touch an airplane here in Australia and it costs $1000 🤣

  • @thisismeinnz
    @thisismeinnz Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome video Ash!! Would love to hear your opinions on an Arrow 😁!

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Thanks M! Great idea! We might have to make that happen in the new year 😁

  • @ZootC
    @ZootC Před rokem +1

    Excellent video. I'm looking to transition to one of these from a 152 Aerobat. Looks like I have my work cut out if I can even get one in the UK as the best prices are all overseas. Has to be a late model though.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem

      Should be do-able. Perhaps fly a 4 seater Cherokee first as they are quite similar. Something like an Archer or Warrior would be a great intermediate step

  • @PedroOliveira-tn2qf
    @PedroOliveira-tn2qf Před 2 lety +1

    Great review.
    Make one on a Seneca as well and compare it with the Saratoga.
    Channel Subscribed!👍

  • @gunsaway1
    @gunsaway1 Před 2 lety

    Great airplane

  • @euankay2797
    @euankay2797 Před 2 lety +2

    Many thousands of hours bush flying in Botswana on Saratogas, 210s, 206s. Love the Saratoga for its space but oleos are a problem on rough strips. The manual flap gives it the edge !!

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Great to hear you loved the Toga. I bet the flying in Botswana would’ve been spectacular! Yeah we too find the oleos suffer on our PA28 trainer aircraft on rocky strips!

  • @BrianAnim
    @BrianAnim Před 2 lety +3

    5:26 the t-tail lance has the two tank one filler + sight gauge as well.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Good point!

    • @v1rotate391
      @v1rotate391 Před 2 lety

      Same with my straight tail. One of the wing gauges flew out and had it overhauled at Piper Lock Haven Parts for $170. They won’t replace just the gauge. Mine are super accurate and easy to read

  • @itisWhatitis12345
    @itisWhatitis12345 Před rokem

    This is my dream plane

  • @AussieAircraft98
    @AussieAircraft98 Před 2 lety +4

    Ripper of a video once again!, love the PA32s, particularly like commands VH-TLG

  • @maheralazzawi7814
    @maheralazzawi7814 Před 11 měsíci +1

    very nice

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 Před 2 lety +1

    Josh 🤙🏿

  • @dtsplanespotting2633
    @dtsplanespotting2633 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey guys amazing video, I have a few questions about command flight training working with Sace..
    1. Are there only certain school that you can work with? In my case I’d like to know if you can work with Open access college.
    2. Is the safe couse an RPL?
    3. What year level can you start the course with Command flight training.
    Cheers guys amazing video!

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Hey thanks for the message! Send CFT an email - ops@flycommand.com.au and I can get the SACE manager to answer those questions for you! Cheers, Ash

  • @gendaminoru3195
    @gendaminoru3195 Před 3 měsíci

    Aussie music - Shins? was it "whinging the night away?"

  • @kinghy
    @kinghy Před 2 měsíci

    What is the VMO n Vno of the Saratoga compared to 21

  • @FlyingNDriving
    @FlyingNDriving Před 2 lety

    I trusted the sight gauge way more than I trusted the fuel gauge in the cockpit on the 301t I flew

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Haha yeah. Nothing beats a dipstick though! When I flew in the US there were no dipsticks with the planes - we had to trust the gauges or fill to fill every time. Crazy system!

  • @richardandersen8198
    @richardandersen8198 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Just bought a 1981 PA32R-301! It needs some minor fixes but what I really feel like I’m missing is the original POH. I’ve downloaded one and it indicates under Normal Procedures that I turn on the fuel pump and turn on the engine with the fuel pump on and then the procedure goes to Hot Start, never indicated “fuel pump off”. I have very few hours in Saratoga’s, but what I’ve always seen done is mixture rich, fuel pump one for aprox 5 seconds, mixture cutoff, fuel pump off, crank to start, engine starts, immediately mixture full rich.
    What am I missing in the poh that indicates something completely different?

  • @brentmcmahon8188
    @brentmcmahon8188 Před 2 lety +5

    I think this plane would be perfect for the new small Rolls Royce turbin will it work with the extra baggage space in front ?

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah it probably would be a good one for that!

    • @dieselyeti
      @dieselyeti Před 2 lety

      If you're referring to the RR500 turboprop, it never went into production though, and the bigger M250 wouldn't make the plane much faster - just more expensive to run from the fuel burn. The baggage space isn't an issue as a turboprop Saratoga would have the engine mounted at least a foot or more forward for CG reasons.

  • @dieselyeti
    @dieselyeti Před 2 lety +3

    I don't think this was meant to be a Comanche replacement as it's a 6-seater whereas the Comanche was a 4-seat. Great airplane though; I restored a T-tail Lance for the owner in the early aughts and flew it for two years. PA32 are stable load haulers with lots of elbow room for bigger guys like me. It's a shame Piper stopped building the Saratoga after 2005, but Cirrus was eating everyone's lunch.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      It was more the fact that Piper didn’t have any retractable singles at the time so they opted for the 6 seater. Probably for the best too as it could compete better with the A36 and Cessnas.
      They are a great plane, such a shame Piper stopped building them. I think they would still sell really well if they did! Thanks for the comment :)

    • @KeepItSimpleSemperFi
      @KeepItSimpleSemperFi Před 2 lety

      Comanche 260b and 260c have six seats!

    • @v1rotate391
      @v1rotate391 Před 2 lety

      @@KeepItSimpleSemperFi if the rear two have no legs

    • @dieselyeti
      @dieselyeti Před 2 lety +1

      @@DeadstickAdventures What's odd is the 5 year overlap between the first Arrow in 1967 and the last Comanche in 1972. If the Arrow was the Comanche replacement, they took their time killing off the old model.

  • @mrbondohrama
    @mrbondohrama Před 2 lety +1

    What is a stratos? It is mentioned during the interior description that is placed between the front seats by the owner.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Good question, it’s a Stratus ADS-B receiver that hooks into the EFB app on your iPad to display traffic on your screen. Great device. We use it with OzRunways. It can also be used as an EFIS with a basic attitude indicator.

    • @mrbondohrama
      @mrbondohrama Před 2 lety

      @@DeadstickAdventures thanks!

  • @tstanley01
    @tstanley01 Před rokem +1

    The roominess of a piston twin with the useful load of a 172...

  • @E69apeTheMatrix420
    @E69apeTheMatrix420 Před rokem +1

    Could you drop a CD 300 Jet A Diesel in these? The new PA 28 has a CD option so the mounts and everything should be compatible with a few mods if needed. Is it viable? On insurance etc etc.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem

      I’ve got my doubts given it’s a discontinued airframe. Would be cool though!

    • @E69apeTheMatrix420
      @E69apeTheMatrix420 Před rokem

      @@DeadstickAdventures Avgas is just leaded petrol like we used to use in the 1980s. its just not acceptable any more and Im not even an eco nut job. Lead. In the petrol! To dumb down the bang and keep the cylinder cool. Its not good technology and no one knows why we still use it. So strange. Maybe people dont know or care. but petrol. in a plane?! Are you stupid. Diesel is obviously better. Let alone leaded petrol! WTF!

  • @AustinHammy32
    @AustinHammy32 Před 2 lety +1

    I prefer the Cessna 206/210 over the Piper Saratoga personally because the useful load is bigger and the inside feels more spacious to me.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Definitely, I love the 206s and 210s. I just prefer the maintenance bills on the Saratoga.
      Also the back seats of a 200 series Cessna aren’t the nicest place to be if you’re tall!

    • @johnburns6761
      @johnburns6761 Před rokem

      But they are ugly 😅😅

  • @tomdewitt4148
    @tomdewitt4148 Před 2 lety +1

    Is it possible to remove console between pilot seats, so a non-athletic person can move from the club seats to the co-pilot position?

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Yep the console is totally removable. It’s still a bit of a squeeze but not too bad. Just be super careful of the fragile plastics on the roof!

    • @tomdewitt4148
      @tomdewitt4148 Před 2 lety

      @@DeadstickAdventures thanks!

  • @ricardosegundocernadas3781

    What about the Piper Lance 2 Turbo, is it worth it?

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem

      I’d avoid the T Tails personally. The Turbo could be nice if you want to go high

  • @josephhann8844
    @josephhann8844 Před 2 lety +2

    Nice job but I just want to point out that that's not a Saratoga II HP.

  • @kinghy
    @kinghy Před 2 měsíci

    What about the Mooney

  • @MAGApepe
    @MAGApepe Před rokem +2

    use LOP on the fuel :)))

  • @lordsonic4567
    @lordsonic4567 Před 2 lety +1

    I just fell in love. I thought i wanted a Cherokee 6 buti was wrong. LoL.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Haha the owner of this aircraft thought he wanted a Cherokee 6 too…

    • @lordsonic4567
      @lordsonic4567 Před 2 lety

      @@DeadstickAdventures Saratoga wins. Thanks

  • @philbrammer3632
    @philbrammer3632 Před 2 lety +1

    30-50 hrs for insurance.. isn't the only big complexity from the PA28 CSU and retractable?.. you'd take less than that getting a whole instrument rating lol

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Yeah absolutely. However, the owner wanted to drive his premium down and also wanted to do some extra cross country training to build his confidence in the aircraft. At this stage he plans on only flying it VFR and NVFR.

  • @daven2090
    @daven2090 Před 2 lety +1

    You trashed the Cherokee 6 PA 32-260. Flies fine. Does everything Piper said it would do..ageee with the 3 blade constant speed. Cheap to keep, feed. Nice characteristics. Be nice.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Very true, they’re certainly still a good plane. We actually had one briefly in one of our other videos.

  • @xstensl8823
    @xstensl8823 Před 2 lety

    how much do they cost

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Good question! We’re seeing them range between $100k and $250k at the moment, depending on condition

  • @alexxccccxbbb9952
    @alexxccccxbbb9952 Před rokem +1

    How much does this plane cost

  • @joesteffe6155
    @joesteffe6155 Před 2 lety

    From what I see there is no room for both polite . Whisch planes gives a little room for Polite

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 Před 2 lety

    Let’s do business

  • @Ghaurvenn
    @Ghaurvenn Před 2 měsíci

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  • @michaelgarrone7199
    @michaelgarrone7199 Před 2 lety +1

    My dad crashed and died in one of these. They said pilot error but I’m not sure. Terrible time in my life.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety +1

      Oh wow Michael that’s sad. Condolences on your loss. Sadly it does happen in GA. Thanks for your comment. ^MP

  • @Bronzeone1956
    @Bronzeone1956 Před rokem

    I don't like the fact you can't lean the seats back a little. the 2 up front and right behind pilots make you sit too up right. I want a plane where I can put the seats back at least 6 inches. On a 4-5 hour run you would be so sore.! If you have a plane that seats 6 with luggage and seats that recline, please let me know, I would very much appreciate it!

  • @samuelmckenzie1218
    @samuelmckenzie1218 Před rokem

    As a novis listening he talks too fast but I can visualize myself flying the aircraft

  • @lucashurst4191
    @lucashurst4191 Před 2 lety +1

    No the malibu is

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      Malibus are pretty cool, agreed. I’ve never flown one, but people rave about them. I’d love to! ^MP

  • @keithgray7361
    @keithgray7361 Před rokem +1

    I would love to get some Saratoga time with you guys in Murray Bridge... PM me or reply

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před rokem

      Hey Keith,
      Give Command FT a call. I’m not sure if that Saratoga is available as it was owned by a student. The Piper Lance may be though. 85325537. Cheers, Ash

  • @petersmith8134
    @petersmith8134 Před 2 lety

    C210 all day long. Better load and I fly to look down, not up.

  • @tow.JanWinnicki
    @tow.JanWinnicki Před 2 lety +1

    The best 6 seater single is without a doubt an A36. Best engineering, built quality, and speed. Then a long gap and C210s and PA32s can fight over 2nd place.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      You think so Jan? I’ve never flown one so can’t comment. Perhaps I’ll get to in the future on this channel? :) ^MP

  • @charliebowman785
    @charliebowman785 Před 2 lety

    No shit! Best aircraft is Piper.

  • @speedomars
    @speedomars Před 2 lety +1

    Pipers are horrible junk. This one especially. Anemic, old, slow. 140kt cruise? Who cares if you have 6 seats? You can't use them all in the same flight. Real dumb design. Insurance companies will NOT insure a retratactable aircraft if you do not have over one hundred hours with retractable time...

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      What are you comparing them to Speedo? TBM, Cirrus, sure. Gotta factor in $/year too :) ^MP

  • @tropicthndr
    @tropicthndr Před 2 lety

    No, get a clue. Malibu Mirage is the best piston single in the world for the money, saratoga doesn’t even come close to capabilities and comfort and most important, resale value. Not even a G36 bonanza can compare to a Mirage.

    • @ConvairDart106
      @ConvairDart106 Před 2 lety +2

      The subject is not about million dollar pressurized aircraft. The majority of general aviation pilots don't fly in the flight levels, and are not fans of the nose hose either. You notice the P210 was not mentioned for similar reasons.

    • @tropicthndr
      @tropicthndr Před 2 lety

      @@ConvairDart106 nothing you said makes sense, nobody uses a nose hose in a pressurized airplane and the Mirage is so good on fuel it doesn’t need to be in the flight levels, it does everything better than any comparable airplane without compromises.

    • @dieselyeti
      @dieselyeti Před 2 lety +3

      You're comparing the Saratoga and G36 to a cabin-class turbo'd & pressurized single? Apples and oranges.

    • @DeadstickAdventures
      @DeadstickAdventures  Před 2 lety

      A nose hose! Never heard it called that haha. And yep, we’re comparing sub-$500k aircraft here since that’s what the majority of GA is made up of. Not to say we wouldn’t review a Mirage if one popped up! ^MP

  • @BobSmith-uu5kj
    @BobSmith-uu5kj Před 2 lety

    Who on earth calls cars and planes “she”. What is wrong with people.

  • @RemyRAD
    @RemyRAD Před 2 měsíci

    At first I thought the Piper Saratoga was a Piper Arrow? I had only been up in a Piper Arrow, only once. It felt like a Cadillac. Compared to the Piper Cherokee 140 & 180's. My dad and I both, flew. I learned with dad learning. He was taking pilot lessons. I got to sit in the backseat. And then I got to take some, Flying Lessons, myself. With my dad's instructor. Dad paid for, for me.
    Unfortunately my parents marriage fell apart. Dad would move away. So would we. I never flew a civilian aircraft again. And I loved it. I wanted to join the Air Force. But found I did not qualified to become a, jet fighter pilot. I said that's okay. I'll fly anything. They said no. As I did not have a college degree. And that was a prerequisite. So I did not enlist. I just continued on in radio stations and recording studios. And then purchased myself a motorcycle. So I could bank around turns. And go writing those mountain roads in the, Shenandoah, Allegheny, Blue Ridge Pkwy., Algonquin, Poconos, mountain roads. Almost like flying a plane. Instant death if you miss a turn. As you would fall between 1500 and 4000+ feet. And I made it a point, not to do that. While finding out first hand. Park rangers run radar in the mountains. Whoops. Not good doing 75 in a 35 zone. In my much younger years. That was counterproductive to do. But what fun! I was Hanging Off. Some people will know what that means. My knee was, nearly scraping the ground. To offset the center of balance on turns. The closest I would ever get to flying.
    I miss flying. I was a much better pilot than dad. But I never got my pilots license. Oh but wait.
    In a Happenstance, opportunity. About 23 years ago. I was able to hop in the cockpit. Of the just entering, service. Lockheed's, F-22 Raptor. And took it for a flight. Not having flown in about 35 years. I just flew that plane. How is that possible? What kind of bullshit am I spewing forth? I'm not. It's true.
    I was hired on as a freelance video camera operator at the U.S. Air Force Association Conventions. And I had been observing, US Military Fighter Pilots. Checking out this new F-22 Raptor. Just entering service. These guys were flying F-14's, 15s, 16s. They weren't Navy so no F-18's. I guess? But I digress.
    So at the end of the day of, the Convention. I asked the, Boeing/Lockheed guy. If I could try that F-22 out? He said sure. Have you flown the F-14's, 15s or 16s? He asked. I said nope. Never, ever. Only a Piper Cherokee 140. About 35 years ago. He said okey-dokey get in.
    So with minimal prep. I just started flying this F-22, Boeing, $12 million simulator. And it was Awesome! Beyond awesome!
    Apparently I did a good job. And didn't know I was being, observed. By five, US Military Fighter Pilots. And they all asked me. Had I been flying the F-14's, 15s or 16s?
    I was rather dumbfounded by their inquiry. I said nope. Never. This was a first try for me in, 35 or so years. And they asked me why I didn't join the Air Force? I told them. I tried all 4 branches of our US Military. They didn't want to let me fly. I didn't have a college degree.
    They in turn told me I had missed my calling. I said no. I did not. But the US Military missed out on a good pilot. They agreed with me. We all shook hands and went on our separate ways.
    It was an incredible thrill. To just get in the cockpit of a F-22. Much alone, and attempt to fly it. I only had some basic engineering skills. And whatever I could remember from a Piper Cherokee 140 from 35 years earlier. But in turn it also destroyed me.
    I cannot play any video games. I could not play any arcade. Microsoft Flight Simulator is, beyond a child's joke. Compared to the cockpit of the F-22 Raptor.. Nothing compares.
    I mean how am I supposed to play,, Fighter Jet. With the stupid Chinese made, $50 joystick? How insulting! Are they kidding? Supposed to prepare you to fly a, F-22? I think not. No. You learn how to play video games with the joystick. It truly, is not like flying, an, Official Military Simulator. I meet you are in that cockpit. That is the latest, state-of-the-art, most recent release, Cockpit.
    What was kind of fascinating. The plane was designed and built by Lockheed. But this was a Boeing Simulator. Because Boeing had just created this All Glass, upgraded, cockpit. Which the Lockheed F-22 Raptor. Will be introduced with the new Boeing, cockpit.
    Meaning that the Lockheed designed, cockpit. Was not, All Glass. But that still contained, some steam gauge items in the original, F-22, cockpit. I guess? And entered US Military service with the Boeing cockpit.
    And stuff like that just blows my mind. Talk about state-of-the-art. That's state-of-the-art, civilians weren't exactly privy to. And generally not. That was beyond state-of-the-art. It was just being introduced. No US military fighter pilots had flown one of these babies yet. They were that new and state-of-the-art. As state-of-the-art can get. I mean that is some wild stuff.
    It was an incredible thrill and honor. To have gotten 10 minutes time in one. And to fly a brief simple attack mission. Of targets on the ground. In this simulation. But no less a thrill. Even though it didn't exactly really fly. It was the full-blown cockpit. And that's a much different feel. Then sitting in your bedroom. With a joystick. In other words. It does not compare.
    It's sort of like the difference between an ice cream cone. And the entire cow, it came from. They don't even look similar. One does not Mooo. And melts. While the other one is standing in its own, cow pie of feces. It's that kind of difference. Between a toy joystick and a F-22 cockpit.
    Now how am I supposed to play any video games ever again? I can't. It seems so trifle, stupid. Along with my toy, joystick. The plastic Taiwanese variety. And not Jewish-American apple pie. You get the idea.
    As after you have sampled the original and the best. Where does that leave one? In the dust. Is, an understatement.
    And I've never touched a videogame, since. How can I? Total joke.
    RemyRAD

  • @1UTUBEUSERNAME
    @1UTUBEUSERNAME Před 9 měsíci +1

    Did he say "take it up for a bird" WTF does that even mean?