'House of the Dragon' Season 2, Episode 4 Reactions | Talk the Thrones
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- It's time to turn up the heat as Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson talk about the latest explosive episode of 'House of the Dragon'. They talk about the stunning final battle sequence, shocking deaths, as well as some incredible witchy wonder!
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Aegon struggling to speak High Valyrian was hilarious.
They make more incompetamt every episode lol.
Tom Glynn-Carney has been killing it
(Figuratively)
@@SamClemensRIGL and also getting killed by it (literally)
@@maxibluft [Meaningful silence.] [Nod.] Quite.
ME...CAN...HAZ...WAR? 🤣
Me Kan Haz Warburger?
Larys either already knows High Valyrian or is going to hurriedly start learning it so he’ll never be in the dark again 😂
If i were facing a foe armed with the single largest dragon in the realm, that dragon would be on my agenda in every single tactical and strategic discussion.
I know right?? Tbh Rhaenyra’s whole council seems to be so clueless and stupid. You would think Corlys being this famed commander of sea would have some sense but he is just a mute spectator in all this. I think this is ‘Danny kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet’ moment from the writers here.
@@rishabhaniket1952this happens in the books as well. She's ambushed by both dragons and dies even faster
Why only send one dragon ? Like send three at all times dominance
@@icytangus6683Although I do think they could’ve given Rhaenys a better reason to turn back, they prob only sent one dragon bc they kept saying Rooks Rest was such a small castle, so you prob wouldn’t expect the Greens to use 2 Dragons to take that castle. Too risky, but it worked.
@@rishabhaniket1952seems like You are just hoping for and looking for something like like the iron fleet moment. Everyone was well aware of where the Iron Fleet was and they were not known to be some sort of sneaky, agile weapon that could “surprise” a dragon. They are slow moving boats that they had already scouted.
It would be much more difficult to keep tabs on a dragon regardless of the size, and everything they had known for weeks was that Vhagar was staying at KL to protect the city.
Now - could they have been more careful… absolutely. But Baela had already got tabs on Coles army with no vhagar. They thought they had an advantage and failed to recognize a trap that not even Aegon or Alicent knew about because Cole and Aemond had kept it under wraps.
So sad that we lost one of my favorite dragons (Melys) and Rhaenys 😢
I'm so pissed about that, Rhaenyra fucked up royally................
@@8minutesofO Umm how is this rhaenyra's fault when all those men were BEGGING her to send out dragons. Not to mention she offered to go, so its no ones fault but Aemond's 🙄
@@fang3982*Almond
@@8minutesofO It's not Rhaenyra's fault
Rhaenys is a G
as is Melys 😱🤯
I dropped a tear. Screamed at the screen like that would change anything. I’m crushed. She was my favorite
Can someone explain why she kept going back to battle a clearly much bigger and stronger dragon? I kept thinking "she's smart, she's gonna make a business decision and live to fight another day"
I was screaming at her to flee! What was she thinking 1 v 1 against vhagar?
I think she was thinking of landing as many blows on Vhagar as she can before the inevitable. @@kevinyoon3956
Team Black in 6
Goated comment
More like 7
Simmons would say that Jace is still maturing and will get better.
Aemond has a kinslayer arc...started as a boy when he took Vhagar and threatened to kill his cousins (the incident where Luke to his eye). Then he kills Luke, then he ostensibly kills Rhaenys, so thinking about/being close to killing Aegon would seem like the next step in his arc. It certainly appeared that he Dracarys'd Aegon and Sunfyre intentionally.
First off I just wanna say RIP to Meleys the RED QUEEN !!! She's one of the most badass dragons in the dance, and it was glorious to see her in full display. Even we book readers knew what was coming in this battle(in terms of the victor) it was still a surprise to see how the battle played out, an what actually happened between those three dragons in that battle. IMO if your watching this show and you don't consider these past four episodes as peak TV, then you're watching the wrong show !! 💯
Agreed
I can haz war
I love Mallory, I'm with you girl! I think this was the first time we've really seen affection with the dragons and I loved it. RIP Meleys
It is nice to see Mallory tears in person haha my Binge Mode heart is with her, always.
Was super excited to tune in for the conversation because what an episode for a talk! I too am devastated and emotionally affected by animals, be they dragons or direwolves, so I relate hard to Mal. I’m looking forward to the House of R Deep Dive because there’s so much to work through in this episode.
14:55 "My brother, King Aegon's wounds were so severe that he begged me to end his suffering."
That's how you sell it. Plus, the whole idea behind GoT/HotD is that you can tell whatever story you like so long as you win. That's exactly the point that Alicent makes later about Viserys' intentions having died with him.
Absolutely LOVING this show and all the Ringer content around it
I thought it was obvious that alicent is looking for the prophecy somewhere in the books now that rhaenyra mentioned it to her and she’s questioning everything?
Made the mistake of putting this episode off until the AM. Currently taking a personal day from work to walk contemplatively around my neighborhood in my pajamas.
I get the whole dragon and dragon-rider connection, Mallory. It surprised me how emotional I was seeing the relationship between Meleys and Rhaenys too. 😢 I feel that with my dogs! Broke my heart to see them fall from the sky. I felt like Rhaenys was more devastated to see her dragon die than to realize she was falling to her own death. 😩
@pawswright5674 dear me, I really hope your dogs didn't fall from the sky!
Why do I now consider dragons like beloved pets 😢😂
Damn that week went by quick!
To the people saying they should expect vhagar, not really, they pointed out multiple times that vhagar is staying to watch over king's landing. And the bait from Cole and Aemond was good because you dont think that they would send their largest destruction machine, vhagar, to this small castle that they can take with men alone. Sure you can make a point that they should always think that vhagar can be wherever, but I think they set it up nicely by making it a point that she cant leave King's Landin "in case they come with their dragons to King's landing" . So the Greens forced the Blacks' hands by attacking a strategic location, and they played into their trap
Corlys has taken more losses than anyone throughout this whole mess. Brother, son (sort of), daughter, wife, gotten injured himself smdh, poor dude
33:40 Joanna’s empathy for Mallory and her deep love of fantasy creatures is so heart warming
Aemond was the undoubted star of this episode. The war stuff was awesome, but embarrassing Aegon with their difference in Valyrian was hilarious. Allicent was great too.
Literally he embarrassed him in war tactics, IQ and battle 😭
Meyles and Rhaenys were holding the blockade correct? Maybe they fought a bit there
CR’s Palermo sweater is elite
I definitely think Alys is fucking with his head, but Daemon's visions are clearly influenced/induced by the weirwoods (he's sleeping in a bed made out of weirwood, how much clearer do you want it?).
The best review for every episode , thank you guys
I'm with Mallory, I was in tears when Rhaenys and Meleys went down 😭
team black fumbling this war so bad while the greens capturing piece by piece on the board. Team green wiping the floor with the blacks so far
The Blacks about to have a 3-1 comeback
This show is incredible and gets better every episode.
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON WAS PHENOMENAL 🔥🩸⚔️💪🏼 THE BATTLE WAS HEARTBREAKING AND EPIC!!! IM SHOCKED BRAVO HBO 👏 The Queen who never was 🥂 #HouseOfTheDragon
This season has been Amazing! 🔥
RIP to Rhaenys…the Queen that never was that proved she SHOULD have been ❤️
About the prophecy/Aegon's dream; it is actually canon in the books. GRRM talked about it. Just the part of passing it on to the next heir is a show invention.
I think this is a funny thought when I compare my feelings about Season 7/8 of GOT. My biggest issue back then was all the plot armor and not being willing to kill characters at times that would have meaning (Ice island battle). In HOD my biggest issue is it feels like all the story lines are moving a little too quick and they are killing people fast.
That’s what happens in war.
Didn’t everybody see him roast his brother? Otto is somewhere laughing.😂
Mallory is crying Kevin Smith tears.
Dragons fighting 🔥🐉
Salute to Rhaenys and Meleys 😢 Sad to see them go
I think Aemond was definitely considering killing Aegon.. I think it was a mix of “let me put him out of his misery” and “I’m the best fighter with the biggest dragon” which he’s already said. Plus his strategy just took out one of the blacks most powerful fighters and damn near his brother AND his dragon. After he heard Criston he came back to reality and sheathed his sword.
But could have easily covered his tracks by using the excuse of it being mercy and I don’t think Alicent would have questioned it much.
Where can I find that adidas/dragon shirt!?
*Palermo Serie B (Sicilia, Italia futbol, friend)
Are we doing future plot book spoilers right now? Want to avoid as I haven’t read
Nope! No book spoilers on this - only House of R.
These talk the thrones episodes are way too short. And yes I know House of R exists. I just want more!
Agree these are too short and HoR is too long (I only ever manage to listen to half by the time the next week episode's hit), can we not have at least one of them be a normal-length, 80-90min pod??
@@maxibluft you miss me there unfortunately. House of R could be 3+ hrs every week imo and I’d welcome it. The issue I sense here is that it feels like Mal & Jo can’t help but chomp at the bit to speak about stuff more while Chris is in charge of closing his laptop by the hour mark. Absolutely understandable production wise, but when an episode is really good, as this one was, it merits some further discussion. Fools errand to complain about wanting more of something I love, but oh well! As for a 90min-2hr episode re HOTD check out Trial by Content, Joanna’s a host of that one too.
@@dannyk3059 thanks for the rec, I listened to it a couple of times but not specifically when HotD was on so will check it out.
I guess they try to keep this show suited for the casuals rather than the full on deep dive nerds, I'm more the latter but just don't have the time anymore to listen to so much podding :/ (and no 1.5x is not an option lol)
@@maxibluft trial by content is awesome. During the 8 weeks of HOTD they focus all their episodes on it. Hope you like it!!!
RIP Princess rhaeneys and Meleyes
Larys is one of my favorite characters. Yes I know I’m weird. I also loved Littlefinger.
Do you think the other council members speak valariyan
Better than the entire NBA finals
❤😂what if allicents baby is really CLUBFOOTS🤣
lol. Alicent and Otto already made it clear they wanted Aemond to be kind instead f Aegon because they can control him.
Man that episode went by really fast. I want more please. 😢
Seeing Mallory get emotional over a fictional story is so sweet. But I'd hate to see how affected she'd be emotionally seeing pictures of dead kids being pulled out of the rubble in Gaza...
That's twice now Aemond and Vhagar have snuck up on someone to kill them. Can't take them on face to face.
It's just smart war tactic. Rhaenys literally did that exact same thing to Aegon
Stop it. If that giant beast can stealth attack you, head to head wouldn't have mattered.
And aemond thinks he is better than daemon🤣
I mean if you let a gigantic dragon sneak up on you that’s your fault, it’s not like she is hard to miss
That's delusional, Vhagar and Aemond grappled Meleys like a doll and literally deathspiralled her until they had to land.
I'm gonna think Fabien(Cole) is a dummy whenever I see him act in the future. The 2 Kingsguard bumping into each other was legit funny
cole was legit good this ep
How do dragons fly with so many holes in their wings?
Sheer brute force. The holes merely decrease efficiency rather than render useless.
how the hell did aemond camouflage vhagar, the second biggest dragon in history of westeros
I mean grandma does campo into the ferns she is shades of green
honestly assassinating aemond is looking p good right now
Preview for next week has the kings landing announcer saying king Aegon is who killed meyles, that is gonna piss Aemond off even more
Is it me or does Malery look like Catlin Clark?
But they knew it was a trap to bait out a dragon!!!!
Mallory Rubin is the Bert kreischer of the ringerverse
Annoying and forced?
Yes and yes @@alextrivunovic644
Mallory really needs to lay off the Adderall
Ambiguity? What ambiguity?
Who is doing the planning for team green
mallory really needs to defer more time to her counterparts.
Rhaenys the Hypocrite is dead!
Why didn't team Black send all their Dragons?
First time seeing video of Joanna Robinson
She’s taller than you think
How the F did you not talk about if Aegon is alive or not for an extended period of time!?!?
I think all three of them know the answer and don’t want to give anything away
I loved the episode. 1 issue which made the episode less than perfect for me. How many times can Vhagar secretly attack someone? S1 he attacks Luke hidden in the clouds. Now he attacks Rhaenys hidden behind a castle. A) he’s massive, his movements are heard and seen. B) Rhaenys should be a smart enough warrior to fly high enough so she can see all angles.
I’m fine with her losing to Aemond, the whole thing was an unbelievable watch. I just wish it came differently. Instead of a Vhagar hide attack, again.
Vhagar is female, but your point is fair.
I actually think Rhaenys killing the smallfolk in episode 9 of season 1 was a great set-up for how the smallfolk will come to think of Targaryens and in terms of what's going to happen towards the end of the Dance of the Dragons and it showcases the thing that ASOIAF constantly tells the readers: these royals for the most part don't see peasants and poor people as anything other than servants and dispensable cannonfodder. They consider fellow nobility as actual human beings whose lives they might consider important enough to spare but they don't care about the lives of the thousands of poor people they ruin with their petty feuds. Rhaenys is no exception.
Nah it sucked. As if there won't be enough reasons by the end of this to hate dragons and Targaryens. Cmon dude
@@FencingMessiah You're talking like that because you've likely read Fire and Blood. I have also read ASOIAF and Fire and Blood. Most people watching the show haven't. The impact on the smallfolk is something the show has started to get into but didn't fully show until the end of season 1. To assume that everyone sees it like you when you likely have more insight into how the world of ASOIAF works is a bit silly. It's a good set-up for the Shepherd in any case so to me it has a purpose. The scene does not exempt the Blacks and their allies from their share of responsibility in terms of how the smallfolk will come to think of the dragons. And just saying "nah it sucked" because you want characters you like to be framed in a positive light all the time isn't a convincing argument in the first place tbh.
@@Regenmacher175 relax, jack reacher. I never said anything about any characters being put in a more positive light. You're arguing an imaginary point with an imaginary person
It is BEYOND dumb that somehow the biggest, slowest, lumbering dragon in the story has now killed two of Rhaenyra's dragons with sneak attacks.... Isnt the whole point of Vhagar that she is big and formidable, you dont want to be in a death roll with her but you can outfly her? Instead she's suddenly Arya killing the Night King and sneaking round like she's Ellie avoiding a clicker.
Thank You! Have told my friends the same thing. The biggest and the SLOWEST. And everybody including Aemond roast his brother in broad daylight. How are they (especially Cole ) are gonna explain that to Alicent and Co.
Please ya'll talk slower & not over each other. TY!!!
DEEP DIVE IMMEDIATELY.
Rhanerya is never gonna make it to the throne............its pissin me off even more that she is acting like she doesn't even know wtf to do nor what she is dealing with?! The hightowers and cole dont give a fuck and would take her out even if she begged and said please......Most disappointing episode....smmfh
I mean, the book is written and it’s not that long. It’s not hard to find out whether or not Rhaenyra will sit the Iron Throne.
I was all team Rhaenyra until she foolishly sent only one dragon when she has 14. Send 3 to at least have backup, act as distraction while The Princess handled that old overgrown Vagarh anything but that shit ass outcome. This episode was such a disappointment, what the hell is wrong with these unimaginative writers. This episode could have been much more interesting. I want Damon to take over and put Rhanerya aside. Trying to keep peace with a family who usurpered her throne who say "NO PEACE"..... WTF?!?!?
The whole point is that the presence of any team green dragons was a complete surprise. Cole and the men moved mostly through the night after being spotted by Baela, and all the intel was that it was just foot soldiers. One dragon would’ve been enough, but the Greens had a plan. Also, Aegon showing up wasn’t part of the plan. He went on his own volition because he’s trying to show everyone he’s not completely incompetent.
Rhaenyra has no plan and she send meleys one of the largest dragon on her side alone to a battle
They don't have 14, they have 4 usable dragons not riderless or fucked off at Harrenhall. And 2 of those are connected the Queen and her heir. The dragons aren't a surplus resource you can spend freely. Sending even 1 out is a huge risk as well as a reward. You can send legions of soldiers to death and the world keeps turning, but if they send one of their royal family, the consequences are huge for them
@@DrGreek757 INDEED IT WAS A PLAN. Rhanerya as a life long friend of Alican should have known they would be up to something. Alican wasnt even talking fair when she crept into kings landing so she knew she would not play fair. She had no plan KNOWING what she knew. She didn't even inform her council of what that bitch said. I'm sure they would have urged her to send more than 1 rider so we could still have the Princess and Meyles. The princess was her best confidant!!!!~
@@DrGreek757 why are you trying to make sense out of a stupid decisions??? woulda, coulda, shoulda......Rhanerya knows the HighTower's have ALWAYS been ambitious for her throne especially otto. She knew that when she was a kid. She knew alican was no longer her friend when she went to court over her son's succession for driftmark. How stupid was she? That was fucking common sense........those unimaginative writers are making her look weak and uninterested. her team arguing and scattered and the hightowers aint playing around and got their trap on point.....wtf
All three of them were terrible riders. All of them got caught be surprise by a dragon they knew was SOMEWHERE. You know there's a dragon about, how are you not looking around constantly and keeping track of them at all times? Oh hey, wow Vhagar disappeared, so lemme just fly over this blind cliff real quick. Should I gain altitude first? Naw, I'm sure he went home. Good grief, this is like rookie stuff. It's one thing for Lucerys to get caught be surprise, he's a kid. And to some extent Aegon, he's an idiot. But Rhaenys and Aemond should both have way more awareness.
Aemond and Vhagar were never caught by surprise in this fight.
Mal is so hot
What a perfect waste of Jo Robinson .. who are these dead weights she's surrounded by?
Her best work was with the two Dave's.. how the mighty have fallen. So much potential for a solo Jo show..
Best selling marvel book author teams up with yes man and Mrs never stops talking. Joanna could have done much and more to land anywhere but with these two
Jo takes me back 12yrs.. for the original series. . So sad I have to come here to support her when she barely gets a word in around these two
I really am surprised she didn't join with Dave Gonzalez instead of these two amateurs
check out trial by content, much better than this
How does this show get dumber with each episode? And how does anyone think this is well written?
It’s probably because you’re wrong.
@@Redjack10 the entire plot is joke. Half the cast “grew” and was recast with older actors that are somehow still the same age as the older characters that were previously there. There is no “hero”, they’re all villains…and the acting is non existent…I’ve seen better at my local community theater. It’s just a massive shit show.
@@CCopas Aw the little guy is just so angwy I hope you eat some soup and get some sleep little grumpy gus.
Nobody believes that you attend your local community theater.
@@CCopasAw the little guy is so angwy.
Nobody believes that you visit your local community theater.
@@CCopas OMG!!! You should write to HBO and alert them immediately 😂. This scam shouldn’t be allowed on TV any longer!
CR is the weak link, clearly...
He's the Criston Cole of Talk the Thrones
His episode recap is the stupidest thing ever.
@@antb7814 Preach
It's nice to have someone who doesnt already know everything and is just a casual fan like the majority of people are + they literally do a deep dive on their own without him in addition
@@5eany. I retract my comment and apologise.
Much love.
We’ve seen countless people get murdered in horrific ways over the years with GOT and HOTD, but the dragon death is too much for me man 😢
Absolutely LOVING this show and all the Ringer content around it
RIP Princess rhaeneys and Meleyes