Empathy, Therapy, and Spiritual Bypass
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Really enjoyed this. It packs a punch, speaks volumes in a few minutes. Excellent audio/video quality, setting superb.
Thank you, thank you Robert for sharing.
Thank you and best wishes
Thank you. I am sending deepest gratitude
Thank you and best wishes
Hi,
I've made myself a client of many speech therapist from a wide range of methods.
Something that happened almost always unnoticed, in the background was my agenda for giving authority to the therapist. Authority over my beliefs and choices in life.
I was suffering and wanted badly for someone to tell my what to do!
In the face of much suffering, almost every therapist took the bait and agreed (without words) to be my guru.
In this state of mind, my mind took even the understanding of past patterns to strengthen my identity as a victim.
What i found in non-duality is the ability to see that one of the background programs of the mind is "identity making". Allowing myself to be less of a "person" did offer relief.
However, another background programs of my mind is "authority seeking". And so i made the non-duality speakers to a person with authority..
Anyway, i find there is no end to the minds complexity in avoiding simple things that you point out - we dont have answers. And there is no authority to save us from this huge inconvinance.
Were fucked. Might as well acknowledge it :)
Hi.
Thanks again, Robert. Clear and concise. I've heard the term "spiritual bypass" several times without really understanding its meaning. Until now...
Thank you so much!!!!!❤
You are so welcome.
So good, thank you for your perspective
Thank you Robert. That was very clear.
Welwood's term spiritual bypassing is almost redundant. Once you accept the duality of matter vs. spirit you are already trapped in a fantasy and avoiding reality.
Very well thought through
Lovely 😊
Thank you! Cheers!
Robert I am interested in training as a psychotherapist. I live in the UK. Can you suggest what type of therapy would best suit working with empathy in an 'awakened state'. Also thank you so much for your talks. I have spent years lost in spirituality and I listened to one of your recent talks and felt such relief that I can let that nonsensical seeking go and get real!
So that is what one can bring to therapy. You get real. Life is not theoretical. If you are cut, you bleed. Regardless of one's metaphysical ideas, religious beliefs, etcetera, at the root we are primate animals who are self-conscious but without final answers. We do not know what any of this "really" is, or anything much about choice, free will, destiny, self-determination, or who we are anyway. We sit with the client in an atmosphere of not knowing, not being the expert, not having a book full of cures. Then we focus on what the client is feeling, thinking, suffering, etc. Not with a view toward figuring it out--therapy is not, as people often imagine, a detective story--but with a view toward seeing thoughts and feelings with clarity. For the therapist, this means being honest with oneself at all times, both in the consulting room and in the hours in between.
@@RobertSaltzman Thank you Robert for your reply. It's helpful and it makes good sense to me. I am wondering, and it may well be a question you aren't able to answer, if one therapeutic training approach is a best fit with being in a real not knowing space with a client. I assume a humanistic person-centred therapeutic approach would be best? I have worked as a speech and language therapist for 30 years and although it's been very rewarding at time, the main thrust of my work has been finding out problems and trying to fix them. I don't want to do that anymore but I want to be of service to others. Thanks again.
Well, my training focused on object relations and self psychology and I found those approaches helpful but if you like Carl Rodgers' approach, that can be a good basis. I don't think there is any one best modality. It's more important, I think, that the therapist find ways of working that seem natural and useful regardless of the theories one has learned. I don't think I can be more specific. I wish you all the best.
@@RobertSaltzman thank you very much.
Phoebe--I received the following and replied to it in a way that I think would interest you:
Q: Hi Robert,
Wouldn’t it be a good idea to write a book and share your knowledge and experience in psychotherapy. I assume a lot of people here would be interested.
Since I have read your work all my questions about spirituality and non dualism simply vanished. There is no interest anymore in those topics. I live my life and enjoy it much more. But i think that your knowledge and large experience as a psychotherapist could help a lot of us.
A: Thank you, Tim. As I just told Gregory, I am always happy to hear that. Since their publication in 2017 and 2019, my two books have been received with so much praise and appreciation that I have come to understand what the first reader of The Ten Thousand Things, my dear friend, the late Dr. Robert K. Hall meant when he said, “This book is destined to become a spiritual classic like Alan Watts or Krishnamurti.”
I was skeptical of that at first. It seemed a bit over the top, but now I believe it. The great reviews by people like Joan Tollifson and Miriam Louisa Simmons helped too. In fact, without any intention of blowing my own trumpet, I’d say that those two books are required reading for anyone who imagines being on a “spiritual path,” and I hope all such people will dip into them.
That said, Tim, I was a competent psychotherapist, but far from a great one. I know that because I had three great teachers, any of whom could write or has written a better book about psychotherapy than I ever could, and that’s why I won’t-that, along with the fact that writing a book is a long, lonely process that occupies a year or two of one’s life, including seemingly endless hours of editing and proofreading. I am doing enough of the latter right now as I work with my editor, Eleana Ascencio Ibáñez on the Spanish translation of 4T. (BTW, we do not yet have a publisher for that work, so if anyone has ideas, please be in touch).
Not to put too fine a point on it, writing a book is a major investment of time and energy. If I thought I could write a great book about psychotherapy, I might try, but since I don’t think I could, I’d prefer to give those hours to photography, which is dearer to my heart than writing anyway.
If you want to read a great book on psychotherapy without waiting for the one I will never write, try “The Gift of Therapy” by Irvin Yalom, “Playing and Reality,” by Donald Winnicott, or “Doing Psychotherapy” by Michael Franz Basch
Robert i think the therapeutic technique you described is EMDR not NLP?
Yes. Thanks. EMDR is part of NLP but not all of of it.
I am enjoying your talks and your books so thank you, v refreshing after years of scrambling my brain with non-duality stuff!