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There are plenty of non-rich people that own Kaleidescape. I would venture to say there are likely more non-rich that on Kaleidescape than rich. We all choose how we spend our hard earned money and what we put priority in. I know friends that have over $1,000 / month in car payments. I have zero. But I’m perfectly ok driving a 2013 Ford Explorer with a leaking sunroof and 200,000 miles.
@@Youthman haha well answer youthman. I only wish I could use K/Scape in Australia. Would definitely sell my 2024 Mazda CX90 to have it. The wife may have something to say though. Haha.
@@Youthman you are right about that, I have a 04 Buick Rainier with over 150,000 miles on it and I'm going to drive it as long as I can. If I really wanted this, I could buy it from Best Buy with 24 month no interest. I'm not rich by no means, but I haven't ruled out not getting it.
$4000... to hold 10 movies... 4k would get me approximately 114 movies 4K Blu-Ray average price of $35 a movie... I really love the idea of Kaleidescape but the cost IMO is way too high.
I could build a PC gaming/plex server with a RTX 4090 for half the price of this "affordable" player. K Scape is great for integrators like dreammedia who are selling complete home theater packages to end clients. For the DIY enthusiast, I just dont think theres much demand for this type of product anywhere near this price point. If K scape wants to make tractjon in the enthusiast market, they need to rethink their pricing model.
Not sure they would ever target the DIY enthusiast market. To my understanding, they only make money on hardware sales. The only way this ever goes mainstream is if the studios change the business model and share a cut of the content sales. That only seems likely to happen if/when they stop selling physical media.
Zachary is correct, their target audience is not the DIYer. It’s for those that either don’t have the time, or do not want to spend the time it takes to build a server, to build a PC, to learn how to set up Plex, and deal with the frustrations that Plex has. Plex is not a great experience.
@@Youthman I agree that the target audience for K scape is not DIYérs like myself. The price alone knocks all the common folks out of the ballpark. I do disagree with your statement that Plex is not a great experience. I´ve used Plex for the past 2-3 years playing movies from my Nas, and it works 99% flawlessly. It does Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos without a hickup. If you compare the prices Plex is the clear winner in my world. The money saved can be used buying a better processor or better speakers.
@@Youthman Plex can be a great experience but Kodi can be even better (and you can use Plex within Kodi). I've finally made my way down the path and am kicking myself for taking so long.
I bought one of these and have had it for a few weeks now and I love it. The audio on some of the things I purchased is actually better than the disc versions. Downloads are super quick even with the lack of a 2.5gb port. I can pull a full 4k Dolby vision movie in about 10 minutes. I did the entire GOTG set in just over 30 minutes. Some very small issues but I mean VERY small.
I’m currently building a home and have a home theater room dedicated in the build. I can already tell our home theater builder will recommend Kaleidescape, which is fine, cost isn’t important, but I have some questions. Genuinely asking, but I feel like in the next 1-3 years Apple TV will provide a lot of what Kaleidoscope provides. Already hearing of them adding support for 21:9, and with internet speeds exploding from what was 30-100mbps just a few years ago is now hitting 1GB minimum to 9GB (Google Fiber), I think the next Apple TV will at least be inclined to introduce these features. If the next Apple TV introduced full bitrate, added storage space, what would the point of Kaleidescape be? I’m only asking because Apple TV seems like the most future proof of streaming/watching movies, at least for buying. There’s no sign of them falling apart and they do care about the movie experience. I’ve built up my library over 10+ years and it’s nice to see them free upgrade 4K along with adding more features (like the 21:9 for projectors coming up in the fall). Understandable on the what-ifs and Kaleidescape still being top dog, but would love to play with the idea that Apple could do this by at least 2026 and what Kaleidescape’s leverage would be after that
I’m so glad they’re starting to make more reasonably priced players, but at $4k this is still far out of reach for most people. And when I say most people I mean most people that are hardcore home theater enthusiasts with healthy budgets. Not the average population. This is for the person that has no problem dropping $15k-$20k on a projector, another $3k on a screen. You’re buying a streamer for which you still have to pay a premium price ($24.99 in most cases, some as high as $39.99) for each movie. I don’t see why it has to be more expensive than one of OPPOs players like the BDP-105. Once they get the price to $2k I’ll start serieouly looking. I have a wealthy friend with one of their players and he even admits it’s purely convenience. With what little difference there is in picture quality I’ll stick with my 4k Blu-ray collection and player. The convenience would definitely be nice though! I will be 100% getting one of they can get the cost down a bit more. If not, oh well I guess unless things change for me monetarily.
Then you’re not missing out by using physical media it’s going to be essentially the same visually and audibly. But what your friend shares is absolutely correct. It offers convenience and ease of use for the entire family. You ask why Kaleidescape is so much more expensive than an OPPO player. Because an OPPO player cannot do what Kaleidescape does. It plays physical disks.
To me this one isn't even very convenient with only space for 10 movies, unless you have a full 1gig fiber connection. I'm not sure why they feel like they can get away with charging so much for simple high quality hdd storage. the price has gone down incredibly in the past few years yet they charge an extra 5k for additional storage levels.
I’m curious, how many movies do you watch at one time? How many movies do you watch a single day? If it’s over 10, then this definitely is not the product for you. 😀
@danhorton6182, I understand your reasoning, but I think you are missing an important point (at least for me). If my understanding is correct, with Kaleidescape you will have access to the movies very soon after their cinema release, and you won't have to wait until they are available on Blu-Rays. My biggest gripe until recently was that it didn't have Dolby Vision, but it looks like this new player offers Dolby Vision as well. If it was available in Romania and if it would have Romanian subtitles, I would make an effort and buy it. If it was just me, I could watch movies in English, no problem, but for this price I want to be able to watch them with friends and family as well. I consider myself a home theater enthusiast, but I don't have a huge budget. The (almost) final form of my setup was achieved after many years (LG 83C2, Denon X3800H, MCA525, Shield TV Pro, 9x 1961 Arendal speakers and 4x SVS SB2000), and I have it installed in my apartment small living room. I mentioned my equipment just to clarify that my setup would be considered very modest by "hardcore HT enthusiasts with healthy budgets" like you said. However, I would for sure buy this thing if it was offered in my country. I know it's still a bit overpriced at 4k, but it ticks a lot of boxes that matter to me, and it would make sense for my usage. I am paying for all the streaming services and using PLEX as well, but I would love the convenience of having the movies ready to download anytime early after launch, combined with the very high video and audio quality they're supposed to have. Granted, there is the risk of the company failing, and you don't know what happens to your existing movies. Also, about why it's more expensive than a standard player - Kaleidescape pays for the license of the movies and they curate them, while a standard player only plays physical disks. The maker of the player doesn't have other costs, and it doesn't offer a service. I do agree that their storage servers are waaay overpriced, but the player alone makes sense to be more expensive than a standard player.
I agree I wish it was available in more countries. I can only assume that’s due to licensing but that’s out of my realm of expertise. You have an awesome home theater system!
Great that they’re moving in this direction. But I think it’s a miss as the price is so high that probably the ones that can afford it would already have more of their products already in place. And that 1TB, sorry but it’s a joke.. might as well have added 500 to the price to something a bit bigger so you won’t be deleting and downloading on a weekly basis. Just my thoughts.. either way hope for all success for Kaleidescape as they definitely bring something unique and premium to the table of home theater fans.
How does that work with capacity for only 10 movies? You can own more but they just get deleted and redownloaded from your account as needed, or are you essentially forced to get the Terra server anyway?
You’re exactly correct. Even if you had say an 8 TB server there’s still only a limited amount of space on those drives. So to free up space you would have to delete the server, but you always have access to re-download them from your account. The same with the Strato V. You can just only store 10 movies at a time. I don’t know anyone that’s going to watch more than 10 movies than one day so to me it’s a great alternative to save money.
@@Youthman right. The downloading isn’t too inconvenient for most with good internet speeds. Glad they’re moving in the right direction and are listening to feedback. I know they’re not catering to the budget guy or DIY guy, but many of us have spent much more than this on other parts of our system. I appreciate what they’re trying to do here.
One nice thing about this player, if you already have a Terra server and player, you can take this smaller one on travel and trips to access your library on the go
If it's successful, then they might make one with a more sensible hard drive. Surely a 4TB SSD is nothing in a $4000 media player. Better yet, they could allow you to add your own storage. Is there is money in movies sales, or only hardware sales? I would love to have a Kaleidescape, but at those prices, it's still a bad way for me to spend money. I like to stream normal movies, and I buy special movies on Blu-ray.
3:07 4k movies in ~10 minutes on a 1GB connection has never been my experience on Kaleidescape. It usually takes me ~30-45 minutes to download from their servers on a 1GB connection. Am I the only one? Something wrong with my network?
@@Youthman I have a 1GB network throughout my home. Services like Steam, and other game clients can max out, but never Kaleidescape. It’s directly connected to my switch. I’ll give it another test today to see if anything changed on their end. I know this particularly because anytime the family wants to watch a new release, we always opt for Vudu/Fandango in spur of the moment decisions because nobody wants to wait an hour to watch, as we’ve experienced before.
@@Youthman Yes, I have a 1GB wired network throughout my home and the Strato S is wired directly to the router. I usually avoid it whenever my family decides to watch a movie in the spur of the moment because the last couple of times we tried, we had to wait 45mins to an hour for it to download and it kinda killed movie time, so we just buy on Vudu/Fandango instead for the instant stream... Btw, I left this comment earlier and it disappeared? I'm going to test out the download speed on a $4.95 digital offer on Kaleidescape...
@@Youthman I have an entire list of downloads on my Kaleidescape history page that show nothing less than 30 minutes to download movies. Can you post your screen? How are you getting such speeds?
How does it compare to the R_volution playerone 8k authentic cinema signature edition? Add their NAS and you have storage for up to 3200 4K Blu ray movies and still pay much less than Kaleidoscape and the smallest Terra Prime storage.
Would love to see a hesd to head. From what I m ow of it is that R_Volution is Android based, for better or worse, and they don't have a store and you have to rely on importing discs one at a time, or getting your rips from somewhere else. You could probably ease the import process with a Nimbie hooked up to a computer and AnyDVD HD and/or MakeMKV. But as far as video and sound fidelity, I can only speak for Kaleidescape, as that's what I have and haven't demoed R_volution products.
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@Youthman, are you able to delete a movie and download a new one remotely from a phone app, like when you are away from your home, it will be ready to watch on your kaleidescape just to save time when you get home
Absolutely. He could be at the grocery store and download a new movie from the app and it will automatically delete one of your older movies to make space.
@@bluewombat But is there any geo restrictions if I but it on a trip to the UK? Like Netflix rights and therefore content is different in different countries.
Some company needs to copy what Sony is doing with their Bravia Core streaming. Up to 80 Mbps. UHD disc quality video and audio. No need to buy expensive hardware. You can rent or buy the movies you want. Right now it's limited to the Sony ecosystem, but if some big company such as Apple or Amazon decided to follow the Sony model, Kaleidescape would go belly up.
Precisely. I will buy one tomorrow if they were to do this. As it stands, the UI won't even show the entire Fast and The Furious collection on this turd.
In case you don’t watch the video, I’ll give you the cliff notes version of the five minute video. Specifically, this is not inexpensive. But for someone that is considering purchasing a Kaleidescape system that begins at around $9000 to get into their ecosystem, a $4000 all in one solution is incredibly affordable. That’s less than half the cost of the next tier of Kaleidescape products. I never said it’s affordable to everyone. The reality is $100 isn’t affordable to everyone $50 isn’t affordable to everyone. At one time in my life I had $12 in my checking account.
@@Youthman Well said Michael! I'm a perfect example of the cost being out of reach with what they previously offered and for me the Strato V was the product that puts it within reach and I quickly ordered it!
@Memerman Not necessarily, receivers are generally over a grand, top of the line...about $4k and up. Speakers...MoFi 888 is about $5k just like the new SVS. The price of admission has gone up in this hobby. The price of the player, + license clearance is what I would expect.
I think you are losing touch if you think that 4 thousand dollars is "affordable: for a player with a build of materials cost for that device cannot be more than a few hundred dollars. Modern Consumers know what computer components cost. And if Kaleidaecape wants to do a video with you to prove me wrong, I welcome it! I want to own kscape but I wont support them when we know they are gauging us for component costs when they already make money on every movie I will buy on the platform. If this box is 1500 or less, it would be expensive, but attractive. AT this price, its a hard pass. And its not cus I can't afford it, its becuase I refuse to pay the insane markup.
I would encourage you to go back and re-watch the video. I specifically said this is not inexpensive. But if someone is looking at purchasing a Kaleidescape, and getting into the Kaleidescape ecosystem, this is absolutely a much more affordable solution. The next alternative is around $10,000. if you could purchase a car for a third of the price, would you say that’s a much more affordable solution? Or what about a house? Since 2001, Kaleidescape is the only brand that has attempted to do what they have done. The only company. Honest question, if it’s easy to make much more affordable solution that offers the same service, my question is why hasn’t one single company come along and provided that? At the end of the day, Kaleidescape is a luxury item. Each consumer has to decide for themselves if they feel it’s worth it. And that will be different for everyone. I’m just glad we have more options.
my point is that it has no reason being expensive in the first place! They could sell this for a lot cheaper and still profit off the hardware while selling a lot more movies but are choosing to keep it an elitist product.
Again, my argument is if it can be done for much much cheaper, why hasn’t one single company stepped up to the plate to do so? there’s got to be a valid reason. Cope has been in business since 2001. If it was easy to do, surely someone in 23 years could have produced a product.
@@Youthmanhaving clear licensing, that's the real cost. There's a license attached to every download to ensure security (call it DRM if you will), but you know that Disney won't call the Feds on you.
Honest question Vinny, how many movies do you watch in a day? One? Two? Maybe three at most. Wouldn’t 10 be more than sufficient? You can re-download the movies that you have purchased as much as you want.
@@Youthman Good point. But a top end 1 terabyte enterprise NVME drive is worth $250 (top, at retail prices). $350 for 2TB. Top end. It would take a lot to increase it. Where I live, high speed 300mbps to 1gbps internet is becoming pretty readily available. Have to wonder where the money is going. Furthermore, even ven a 150mbps would theoretically be more than enough to just stream off the internet. Can't help but feel like the need for a local server in modern homes is becoming unnecessary to play even lossless audio and video. I think Kaleidescape is on borrowed time until someone creates a high speed fibre based lossless streaming solution. Maybe Apple TV Movies. Seems like it's just a matter of time as the internet is already ready.
@@Youthman I curate my collection, and I’m not gonna rely on my internet connection for the films I spend money on. You can buy terabytes of storage and rip a hundred 4K Blu-rays for a quarter of the price of this thing. Watch a few a CZcams videos and you can DIY it for even less. $4,000 US Dollars is not “affordable” - this is a glorified NAS for incurious rich people
I've owned one for a few mths now. Most movies are expensive, not all titles are available (B/S) unless you're watching 4k atmos I don't think it's much difference from disk 🤔 Not enough discount on most movies u already own...
It would be fun to have but still quite a lot of money. And I prefer having the movies ready to go so will need a bunch of storage. And I do like my physical collection that never goes anywhere. Doesn't matter if the company that made them shut down for good, they still work and look good on my Panasonic UB9000EG1 player
Definitely the step in the right direction, however, there are many movie titles with extended cut, director cut, alternate endings, import versions that will never be on the Kaleidescape movie server. One such example is Blade Runner from 1982: Kaleidescape only gives the end user the Final Cut version, I have 5 different versions on my blu ray edition. There is room for Kaleidescape to improve, but I don't think it's the direction Kaleidescape will ever consider.
Great stuff. I love a piece of A/V kit that finds itself being controversial! There are plenty of pieces of equipment in this game that I can't justify spending the money on, eg a Trinnov processor or a JVC NZ800. I'd love to have both though and, if I was wealthier, I'd happily pay the ticket price. There are other piece of kit, eg Kaleidescape, that if I was considerably wealthier I still wouldn't stump up the cash for. What it offers just doesn't appeal to me - even if it cost only a hundred dollars. Seriously. Nothing to do with envy of those wealthier than me, I just see it as very poor value for money for a product that I have no desire for in the first place. Enjoyed the video though.
And that’s the great thing about this or any other hobby. We get to choose to spend our money on the things that are most important to us and what we each find valuable. Someone will say “why spend $6000 on Theater Seats when I can buy a used couch for $200?” There’s nothing wrong with either of those options. we just have to decide what works best for our needs and our budget.
This is good, lower prices means taking up more of the market, which means cheaper devices may be on the horizon in the future. However, I don't think they will ever market themselves to the budget minded, because that will remove all association they have with the luxury market and buyers.
It's a cool product, but I'd rather keep buying physical media. I don't want K Scape to be in control of what I can and can't watch. There's security and pride in ownership.
And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. We all had to figure out what works best for us. I’m just grateful we have more options. That’s a win for consumers.
A recent report indicated that Sony plans to cut up to 250 jobs at its optical media plant, offering workers early retirement in preparation for phasing out its recordable disc production. The company has now confirmed this when it said in an interview with AV Watch that it would cease the development and production of recordable optical media discs, including Blu-ray. Furthermore, the Sony representative said, "We are not considering moving overseas," signaling the beginning of the end of recordable Blu-ray discs for consumers. If you use Blu-ray to archive your data, you need to start purchasing recordable BD while supplies last. However, business clients and cinema buffs need not panic yet. "We will continue to sell B2B products by making them in advance, and for consumer products, we will decide on the specific end date in the future through discussions with distribution partners such as mass retailers, but we will continue to sell them for the time being." The end of recordable Blu-ray production will reduce the number of options users have for reliable long-term storage of their data. Hard drives and SSDs last an average of five years, while Blu-ray discs could last decades, with some newer optical discs capable of lasting a hundred years. Despite their longevity, Blu-ray discs are limited by capacity, with the largest limited to 125GB. While some Chinese researchers were able to create an optical disc format that can store up to 125TB of data, it's still in the research phase and not yet available commercially. This limitation is probably why consumers prefer the convenience of cloud storage for backups. "The growth of the cold storage market has not reached our expectations, and the performance of the storage media business as a whole continues to be in the red," a Sony Group spokesperson said. "And we have determined that it is necessary to review the business structure to improve profitability." Even though Sony still retains Blu-ray production for corporate customers and the film industry, the future of optical media is bleak, at least for Sony. The spokesperson added, "We aim to continue our business at an appropriate scale in line with the market environment and return to profitability through three measures: (1) the gradual termination of development and production and the reduction of the size of our workforce in the recordable optical disc media business, (2) the reduction of the size of our personnel in the tape media business, and (3) the transition to a single-company structure from April 2025 and the change to efficient operations in line with the scale of our business."
I’ve read most of the comments, and I agree with most of them. Still too expensive for your typical DIY’er HT enthusiast like me. I do prefer hard disc blues-ray’s. I’ve been purchasing movies through “Fandango At Home”, but I’m rethinking that only because I like what hard disc gives you in like behind the scenes, deleted scenes and so on. I was excited when you mentioned that price on KS, but only limited space for that price and you have to get their server, oh well. Let’s see what the future brings.
Again watch the video, affordable is in the context of someone that is already considering purchasing Kaleidescape for $9000 or more for the entry level system. Or maybe for the person that can’t afford that but they could afford $4000. For most people, $4000 is still a lot of money, but it certainly attainable. I have many friends that spend over $1000 a month on one or more vehicles. Thats a choice.
Much better pricing, still just a touch out of reach but much better. Will this still have all the scaling and demo features? Is the only difference is the 10 downloaded movies vs the whole library?
@@Youthman thx. Of course this comes up as I’m getting a whole house back up generator setup figured out. After the hurricane last week and power outages it’s taking priority which is about the same price. Can’t watch movies without power!
@@Youthman I’m really curious about this too, I hope they can send one out for you to test for us in the near future. I’m hoping the storage was its only limitation and everything else Kaleidascape offered on the other media players are the same.
Two issues, I’ve yet to see an unlimited data plan for homes so you can quickly hit your data cap for the month and be charged extra and I still can’t play my movies on my phone for example
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I like it, but wish they included a larger drive size in this unit. I get that it would cannibalize the premium model but that would be a lot more attractive. Guess it depends how fast the downloads go in reality
I have a feeling we will see that in the near future don’t know how soon, but they have received many request for that feature, and it makes sense to me
@@Youthman Premium service for advanced UI which shows all titles in the cloud for a nominal fee. 300-500 a year and includes extra warranty/support plus discounts on titles in the store. They can even have a "Prime Day". A Strato V with the above model would be very reasonable, and would be big revenue stream for KScape.
I rip UHDs to my SAN and play them back with full lossless audio and Dolby Vision via plex and Nvidia shield. Can someone help me justify the $3000 (cost of SAN plus Shield is ~$1000) price increase to get Kalediscape?
Most of the 4K movies in Kaleidescape's store are not available on 4K Blu-ray. No movie is available in your home in 4K Blu-ray when the clock strikes midnight on the day of digital release, but they are with Kaleidescape.
That’s also technically not legal. For those that want a fully legal system, there isn’t a comparable option. I’m assuming that’s where the vast majority of cost comes from for KScape. I’m sure they have to pay some pretty significant licensing costs to the studios.
I've gotta know what's in this that's more powerful than 2 top end gaming PCs with RTX 4090 graphics cards. Whatever it is, you'll have a hard time convincing me it' cost more than £1000 in parts and manufacturering. The Dolby Vision is a massive boom though for Kaleidescape. If you have a high speed fttp, do you even need a server anymore? Say if you had 300 - 500Mbps?
Kaleidescape's hardware is the price of entry to their movie service. None of the hardware you are comparing to Kaleidescape gives you access to a huge library of theater-grade movies and TV shows, with lossless Dolby Atmos or DTS spatial audio, and visually-lossless super high bit-rate video. If you've invested in a really nice home theater setup, there is no better source device / movie service to give you the content you want, when you want it, in the best possible quality. This new player cuts the cost of entry significantly.
If you have the knowledge and hardware to build a NAS and rip your media, the R_volution is a great solution. The Strato V will not work with other media outside the Kaleidescape platform.
@@Youthmanyou can buy a NAS from R_volition with drive and rip software all installed and included. Just put your 4K disk in and it will rip it and put it in your library etc. For $250 you can even add a second external drive and rip 2 movies at the same time.
@@Youthman I gotta say. The Kaleidescape Strato V looks promising. It ain't cheap. And on top of that. U need to pay for movies. And to my understanding. U can't play movies otherwise. And even that. I am curious about the licensing owning digital movies. Think I am better off with the R_Volution
It's a strong step in the right direction, good on them for listening and expanding the available options for people, still not for me though. Think I'll still do things the ahrd way, I just bought a 16bay NAS from QNAP today for Prime day for $1100, I'll be looking forward to building it out here in the next few weeks.
I am thinking that we may be getting closer to higher bit stream rates from stream providers. I may buy one of these, but I need to get the house painted. Thanks for the vid bro, much appreciated.
Thank you, Percy. Honestly, I don’t see streaming offering full lossless audio and video ANYTIME soon. Like within the next 10 years. The vast majority of consumers don’t care and don’t have the equipment to take advantage of it. so it doesn’t make sense for companies like Netflix and Hulu to invest huge amounts of money, for a very small section of their customer base
I’m all for options for consumers. If we have more affordable options, especially with this crazy economy, where everything stupid expensive, it’s nice when a company is offering a more affordable solution to consumers. to me, that’s a huge win!
@@Youthman yeah totally agree. The economy as far a jobs is actually good what is hurting people is the cost of living keeps going up and the wages hasn't caught up and then you factor inflation. Everyone is feeling it.
100% agree. Everything in my life is significantly more expensive than it was just three or four years ago. You’re paying much more and getting much less. That unfortunately is the life we live.
I believe it would be more effective to showcase the product in a practical home or family setting in order to demonstrate its usability and various use cases. Most people may find it difficult to see the purpose of a high-end item like this, so it would be helpful to illustrate its functionality with real-life examples. Seeing the hardware and software in action would make it easier to imagine potential use cases and understand the value of the product.
I believe KScapes new price is a reflection of its scalability. The scalability I speak of is there ability to service a larger number of customers using there existing server network. Sure future upgrades in there infrastructure will enable them to handle the load, but for now the price reflects and steers the number of new customers KScapes believe it can handle….IMO The price will decrease in the future once this new batch of customers pans out and proves they can scale effectively. …..IMO 😊
There’s definitely still a gap in the price between this and what we can purchase to have a fairly similar experience without much hassle, talk about a Zidoo player or Vero ($300/$200 devices) where we can rip our movies or even easier and faster, get remuxes of the ones we own (and keep a clean conscience). I keep my rips in a TerraMaster 4 disk enclosure that costs $160. With a $1K budget you’re set for years. But when the Stratos get closer to that, say $1500, it’ll totally tilt the balance in their favor and they’ll be an essential in every HT enthusiast’s room, I have no doubt about it.
Nice video Youthman. The beauty of this product and every luxury product is you don’t have to buy it whether you have the money or not. I have used Plex and other players and they all have issues a high end consumer doesn’t want to deal with or learn. I see the appeal if you can swing it. I’m with you, I’m still waiting for Ferrari to make an affordable sports car 😉
Lets all take a step back and look at this the movie's on this media player it is the same as your DvD or Blu-ray or even 4k movies that you buy the movies mite be a little sharper that's all if it's a bad movie it's still going to be bad on this player and i all so heard if the company goes broke you all so lose the movies you bought this company is living in a dream world i got a Zidoo with my Blu-ray's rip on it and a 4k tv they look Fantastic
If you’re able to rip your 4K discs as a one-to-one copy, they look almost identical to Kaleidescape. Kaleidescape provides convenience and ease of use for the entire family without the time and knowledge required to build a server, obtain the software needed to rip your movies etc. some people are willing to pay a premium for the convenience and features Kscape provides.
Im glad they have a lower priced option but the real problem is its still too expensive, for $4,000 i could buy 200 4k discs at an average price of 20 dollars. Again the only people considering kaleidescape already have a system above $20-40k+ and want to upgrade in the near future to a bigger system. I would be curious to see a poll on how much the average person spends on theor theater because my guess would be somewhere between 1k-10k. For people who cant afford to jump up to kaleidescape i recommend a panasonic 420/820 player and to buy 4k discs, thats what i use at home and its just as good picture and sound quality wise as kaleidescape. Maybe a few movies here and there you get a 5% boost in quality versus the disc but its pretty much 1:1. The movie files they display at commercial theaters are getting heavily encrypted hard drives averaging around ~600gb+ per movie. Discs top out near 80-100 GB with double or triple layer blu rays and the biggest movie on kaleidescape i saw was avatar 2 at like 130-150GB. Not even half of what the commercial theaters get
Some people will complain no matter what they announce 🤷♂️ Keep in mind there are plenty of customers that are willing to pay $10,000 or more for a Kaleidescape system. This now opens up to a new target audience. I think they are going to sell a ton of these.
@@Youthman I appreciate this video and your content. I am sad I can't afford it. I'm curious to see how many units sell compared to 4k blue ray players, current gen game consoles, and robust gaming pc's. All which cost a fraction of the price. I know retailers are phasing out physical media, but will physical 4k media become extinct?
I totally get it. Keep in mind, just because you cannot afford it now doesn’t mean that you will never be able to afford it. I never dreamed I would have a dedicated Theater Room, yet here I am. Only took me 18 years but I did it. If you need some motivation, check out my journey czcams.com/video/Klp1oHL6MzE/video.htmlsi=vE9zlQSqR2K4GjHV Kaleidescape isn’t trying to compete with physical media or gaming consoles.
Love my Kscape in my theater. I have an older entry level Strato S. Takes a lot longer to download a movie vs the Strato C or Strato V. Seems like a great introduction to the Kscape experience.
It is still way too expensive just for entry into this ecosystem. A Kaleidescape, at this point, is just a flex for someone with money who doesnt want to have 4k discs. I'd be interested in seeing a side by side bit rate test of their digital movies and a 4K disc. For now, Plex is still better with a Shield Pro. You can build it for less than $1k and have rips that are just as good of quality.
I don't see it as a flex at all. Some people spend their money on car payments. Others on hunting, fishing, or whatever other hobby they have. PLEX is buggy and at times a royal pain in the butt. Everyone knows that. You simply don't have those issues with Kaledescape. And for some, that matters. DIY'ers are willing to endure the frustrations to save money and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
@@Youthmanone thing people fail to realize when they mention DIY solutions. You can’t back up a disk that doesn’t exist. I recently watched Die Hard 3 and 4 on Kscape in 4K. Those don’t exist on disc.
This is not affordable by any stretch. 4 grand for a player that can only hold 10 4k movies? What? What planet are we living on? The hardware they are using in that player can be had in a mini pc for $150 tops. The hard drive can be had for $50. You can use kodi and your done. You own your movies and don't have to buy into a proprietary system that can go out of business any second and you lose all your movies. If they can't figure out that normal people are not going to settle for this kind of ridiculous pricing then they don't deserve to be in business.
Honest question, how many movies would you be able to watch in a given day? One? Two? Maybe Three at the most? The Strato V holds 10 movies at a time and only takes 10 min or less to download a movie from your purchased library to the player. Another honest question. Which takes longer. To drive to your local cinema or to download a movie to the Kaleidescape. Affordable is relative to what you are comparing it to. When compared to the lowest tier Kaleidescape system, $4,000 vs $9,000 is affordable.
Time and money is relative. I don't watch that many movies in a day but thats not the point. The company is absolutely overcharging for their product. For what you are buying and what you get it just doesn't add up. Sure there are people that will buy it but there are people that will buy million dollar homes and cars too. If people feel there is value in it then that's fine too. All in saying is there are many options out there for people not doesn't involve paying thousands of dollars for not a lot. I personally don't like any system that is locked down. I fear that buying a bunch of movies from a company that is this niche is a recipe for disaster. I would like to know what happens too my movies that I spent a lot of money for if the company no longer exists? Does anyone know this. I would venture to guess you no longer own those movies. Why do they charge thousands of dollars for hard drive space? This is not logical. Sure charge more for the player if your going to use the studio card to justify the price but don't upcharge for the hard drive space as well.
First off, I'm glad to see you doing reviews again. Yay we got the old Youthman back!! 😁😁 As far as this device, 4k is still a bit out of my reach, but so is a Porsche. Never say never though. Hopefully Kscape will become more affordable for folks that want to get into thier ecosystem. Until then, the wife and I are sticking with our Panny UB820. Blessing to you and the fam YM!
Happy they are trying to bring their prices down, and Dolby vision support is an absolute must ❤ But I can't find any dolby vision content in their store, all their movies say SDR? Unfortunately it's a deal breaker that I have to pay for their overpriced servers, instead of connecting my own external storage.
Thanks Youthman to me this is ground breaking. Understand I live in Canada, prior to this I was looking at almost $14,000 Canadian to get into their system. Now it’s 6K Canadian, to be that’s now a reachable goal for me. I’m not to worried about storing more than 10 movies, I can only watch one at a time. As for the different user interface I will see, but won’t miss what I don’t have. I’m sure it will be a step up from most. Consider I paid 5,000 for my Anthem MRX 1140, this for me is what I have been hoping for. Great Video.
Does anyone know once you create a script and you delete a movie from that script, do you have to make the script again? And can you store scenes if the movie is not on the player?
I don't wanna be mean to those guys at Kaleidescape, but proudly announcing such a player in 2024, at this "affordable" price, is kind of ridiculous. Can you even imagine such a great, majestic player, being capable of decoding Dolby Vision and, hold your horses...lossless audio? I'm sorry, but this is quite funny, guys. Most of the mid-tier blu-ray/4k players are capable of doing that, for at least 10 years now. You can get the Panasonic UB820 for what, 350-400 USD? It's Dolby Vision capable and decodes all the lossless audio formats. Even the high-end UB9000 is a real bargain, compared to this wonder of the AV world. So, for what exactly are you paying thousands and thousands of dollars? For the so-called convenience? Well, convenience seems to be quite expensive these days. And, by the way, I wonder which is more convenient: waiting for at least 10 minutes to download a movie or just putting a disc in a "classic" player, in a matter of seconds?
My only hesitation on buying this version or any kscape version is when their models will become HDMI 2.1 compatible. Will that even matter in regard to the current restrictions of studios? Someone who’s more knowledgeable, please opine…
Thanks for the video. I will see if in a few years or less they have a one at around $1.200 dollars Canadian price, we all saw the prices for 4K TVs was high when they came out. I have my LG 4K Television with Dolby Vision and HDR10 on my 55 inch and it cost me $1,400 dollars plus Tax Canadian as the prices came way down. I have to say that is the target costumers these are the ones like my left that drive the market, My Two Mission 10 inch subwoofers I purchased brand new for $450.00 each plus Tax Canadian , My two last purchases was my Panasonic UB20 4K Bluray player I got for $499.99 plus taxes and my Onkyo TX-RZ 840 for $999.99 Plus tax on sale during Covid back when i worked as a Audio Video sales rep. more expensive things we sold like Ronco Projectors was like one or two a year in our Store home theater. we catered to High end costumers and more affordable great sounding systems. We shall see if Kaleidescape hits that price point. I know in my heart this will happen sooner in 2026.
I’m not sure we will see Kaleidescape ever offering a $1200 player but who knows. It’s kind of like saying I hope Ferrari makes an option that’s $75,000. Wishful thinking.
Finally. I was hoping for an upgraded Strato S with Solid state memory and 2.5gb LAN at a "reasonable" price point. I wasn't holding my breath for Dolby Vision/HDR but am glad for it. This almost checks every box on my wish list to get me to jump into the ecosystem today. The 1gb LAN is a big miss though. Remaining unknowns are the new UI and disk to digital capability???? Hopefully they will consider upgrading the LAN capabilities for those that have fast internet. There actually have been many users who have complained that even with multi gigabit internet services, downloads are well over the 10 minutes Kscape quotes, often 30-60 minutes. (Glad your downloads are faster Michael.) Anyway, maybe a future upgrade will bump to the 2.5gb ethernet spec. If so, it would be nearly perfect! Thanks Michael
Watching Jiles McCoy's livestream with Tayloe last night, it answers some big question. First, it will support disc to digital. Fantastic. With it's solid state storage vs the old spinning drive in the Strato S, it will provide much improved download times, even with only a 1gb ethernet port, so perhaps it will download quickly for its purpose. Finally, they understand that users are interested in browsing their entire K Scape library through the player without having to browse through the app, so they are considering making some changes to the UI allow it in the future, which would be great. If you have Terra servers then you get the full UI. So, it seems they have hit the major home run with this product for those of us who want the quality and convenience of the KScape ecosystem but can''t or don't want to pay for a server.
Judging by the comments the overwhelming majority feel the new $4k price might as well be $10k, and I feel the same way. I can't see this moving the needle much for K-scape. This is a very pricey way to watch a movie.
Sales numbers will tell if it’s the right move for them. If it doesn’t move the needle and open up to a new audience, they can always go back to selling just their higher end models.
Always nice to get good products. I prefer ripping my Blu rays, and using a dedictaed pc. As i have been bitten by third parties before, i want to be as independent as possible when enjoying my media, and do that Offline.
In my case, I have a collection of more than 4500 titles (DVD, Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray). I have real physical media and titles that will probably never be on their movie list. So paying for this device is a no-brainer. The price of a 4K Blu-ray is roughly the same as buying their format. Of course it takes up space, but paying for the physical media or the download, my choice is made.
my Sony 4K Ultra Bluray player has Dolby Vision and I bet it has a better picture than this thing. When I saw the price, I thought it must have a huge library of movies on it. It has none. I can buy a lot of movies for that price,
The original price of the player was not bad, it's the prices of the HDD that are insane and hard for them to justify the cost they are selling them at.
My guess is worldwide availability comes down to licensing so sometimes that’s beyond their control. I don’t ever see them, allowing external storage. Without strict control, they run the risk of the unit getting hacked and purchased media getting illegally distributed. If that happens, every studio would back out and they cannot risk that.
There’s nothing difficult about putting in a physical disk. But you have to realize, not everybody wants to do that. There are those in this world that would rather hire a driver, a lawn care guy or a housekeeper. It all comes down to convenience. I can guarantee you if I had 1000 physical discs, my family would not be able to find a movie they were looking for. But they can easily do that with the Kaleidescape.
Still overpriced, can I afford it? Yes! Will I pay this premium? No, there are way more wiser options to spend your money, definitely not for this equipment because they are charging for basic stuff $$$.
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This is for the rich. I am happy with my plex, movies anywhere and my 4k dvd player. Thanks for the video
There are plenty of non-rich people that own Kaleidescape. I would venture to say there are likely more non-rich that on Kaleidescape than rich. We all choose how we spend our hard earned money and what we put priority in.
I know friends that have over $1,000 / month in car payments. I have zero. But I’m perfectly ok driving a 2013 Ford Explorer with a leaking sunroof and 200,000 miles.
@@Youthman haha well answer youthman. I only wish I could use K/Scape in Australia. Would definitely sell my 2024 Mazda CX90 to have it. The wife may have something to say though. Haha.
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@@Youthman you are right about that, I have a 04 Buick Rainier with over 150,000 miles on it and I'm going to drive it as long as I can. If I really wanted this, I could buy it from Best Buy with 24 month no interest. I'm not rich by no means, but I haven't ruled out not getting it.
$4000... to hold 10 movies... 4k would get me approximately 114 movies 4K Blu-Ray average price of $35 a movie... I really love the idea of Kaleidescape but the cost IMO is way too high.
I could build a PC gaming/plex server with a RTX 4090 for half the price of this "affordable" player.
K Scape is great for integrators like dreammedia who are selling complete home theater packages to end clients.
For the DIY enthusiast, I just dont think theres much demand for this type of product anywhere near this price point. If K scape wants to make tractjon in the enthusiast market, they need to rethink their pricing model.
Not sure they would ever target the DIY enthusiast market. To my understanding, they only make money on hardware sales.
The only way this ever goes mainstream is if the studios change the business model and share a cut of the content sales. That only seems likely to happen if/when they stop selling physical media.
Zachary is correct, their target audience is not the DIYer. It’s for those that either don’t have the time, or do not want to spend the time it takes to build a server, to build a PC, to learn how to set up Plex, and deal with the frustrations that Plex has. Plex is not a great experience.
@@Youthman I agree that the target audience for K scape is not DIYérs like myself. The price alone knocks all the common folks out of the ballpark. I do disagree with your statement that Plex is not a great experience. I´ve used Plex for the past 2-3 years playing movies from my Nas, and it works 99% flawlessly. It does Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos without a hickup. If you compare the prices Plex is the clear winner in my world. The money saved can be used buying a better processor or better speakers.
@@Youthman Plex can be a great experience but Kodi can be even better (and you can use Plex within Kodi). I've finally made my way down the path and am kicking myself for taking so long.
@@Youthman Jellyfin works fine
I bought one of these and have had it for a few weeks now and I love it. The audio on some of the things I purchased is actually better than the disc versions. Downloads are super quick even with the lack of a 2.5gb port. I can pull a full 4k Dolby vision movie in about 10 minutes. I did the entire GOTG set in just over 30 minutes. Some very small issues but I mean VERY small.
I think is something amazing as I have no issues downloading movie again.
I’m currently building a home and have a home theater room dedicated in the build. I can already tell our home theater builder will recommend Kaleidescape, which is fine, cost isn’t important, but I have some questions. Genuinely asking, but I feel like in the next 1-3 years Apple TV will provide a lot of what Kaleidoscope provides. Already hearing of them adding support for 21:9, and with internet speeds exploding from what was 30-100mbps just a few years ago is now hitting 1GB minimum to 9GB (Google Fiber), I think the next Apple TV will at least be inclined to introduce these features. If the next Apple TV introduced full bitrate, added storage space, what would the point of Kaleidescape be?
I’m only asking because Apple TV seems like the most future proof of streaming/watching movies, at least for buying. There’s no sign of them falling apart and they do care about the movie experience. I’ve built up my library over 10+ years and it’s nice to see them free upgrade 4K along with adding more features (like the 21:9 for projectors coming up in the fall).
Understandable on the what-ifs and Kaleidescape still being top dog, but would love to play with the idea that Apple could do this by at least 2026 and what Kaleidescape’s leverage would be after that
@@nerdhater74 excuse my ignorance, what does 21:9 mean. I agree on your comments regarding the Apple TV
@robertpiil4032 it’s an ultra wide aspect ratio (CinemaScope)
I’m so glad they’re starting to make more reasonably priced players, but at $4k this is still far out of reach for most people. And when I say most people I mean most people that are hardcore home theater enthusiasts with healthy budgets. Not the average population. This is for the person that has no problem dropping $15k-$20k on a projector, another $3k on a screen. You’re buying a streamer for which you still have to pay a premium price ($24.99 in most cases, some as high as $39.99) for each movie. I don’t see why it has to be more expensive than one of OPPOs players like the BDP-105. Once they get the price to $2k I’ll start serieouly looking. I have a wealthy friend with one of their players and he even admits it’s purely convenience. With what little difference there is in picture quality I’ll stick with my 4k Blu-ray collection and player. The convenience would definitely be nice though! I will be 100% getting one of they can get the cost down a bit more. If not, oh well I guess unless things change for me monetarily.
Then you’re not missing out by using physical media it’s going to be essentially the same visually and audibly. But what your friend shares is absolutely correct. It offers convenience and ease of use for the entire family.
You ask why Kaleidescape is so much more expensive than an OPPO player. Because an OPPO player cannot do what Kaleidescape does. It plays physical disks.
To me this one isn't even very convenient with only space for 10 movies, unless you have a full 1gig fiber connection. I'm not sure why they feel like they can get away with charging so much for simple high quality hdd storage. the price has gone down incredibly in the past few years yet they charge an extra 5k for additional storage levels.
I’m curious, how many movies do you watch at one time? How many movies do you watch a single day? If it’s over 10, then this definitely is not the product for you. 😀
@danhorton6182, I understand your reasoning, but I think you are missing an important point (at least for me). If my understanding is correct, with Kaleidescape you will have access to the movies very soon after their cinema release, and you won't have to wait until they are available on Blu-Rays.
My biggest gripe until recently was that it didn't have Dolby Vision, but it looks like this new player offers Dolby Vision as well. If it was available in Romania and if it would have Romanian subtitles, I would make an effort and buy it. If it was just me, I could watch movies in English, no problem, but for this price I want to be able to watch them with friends and family as well.
I consider myself a home theater enthusiast, but I don't have a huge budget. The (almost) final form of my setup was achieved after many years (LG 83C2, Denon X3800H, MCA525, Shield TV Pro, 9x 1961 Arendal speakers and 4x SVS SB2000), and I have it installed in my apartment small living room. I mentioned my equipment just to clarify that my setup would be considered very modest by "hardcore HT enthusiasts with healthy budgets" like you said. However, I would for sure buy this thing if it was offered in my country. I know it's still a bit overpriced at 4k, but it ticks a lot of boxes that matter to me, and it would make sense for my usage.
I am paying for all the streaming services and using PLEX as well, but I would love the convenience of having the movies ready to download anytime early after launch, combined with the very high video and audio quality they're supposed to have. Granted, there is the risk of the company failing, and you don't know what happens to your existing movies.
Also, about why it's more expensive than a standard player - Kaleidescape pays for the license of the movies and they curate them, while a standard player only plays physical disks. The maker of the player doesn't have other costs, and it doesn't offer a service. I do agree that their storage servers are waaay overpriced, but the player alone makes sense to be more expensive than a standard player.
I agree I wish it was available in more countries. I can only assume that’s due to licensing but that’s out of my realm of expertise.
You have an awesome home theater system!
They leave me no choice I have to buy one now
Great that they’re moving in this direction. But I think it’s a miss as the price is so high that probably the ones that can afford it would already have more of their products already in place.
And that 1TB, sorry but it’s a joke.. might as well have added 500 to the price to something a bit bigger so you won’t be deleting and downloading on a weekly basis.
Just my thoughts.. either way hope for all success for Kaleidescape as they definitely bring something unique and premium to the table of home theater fans.
How does that work with capacity for only 10 movies? You can own more but they just get deleted and redownloaded from your account as needed, or are you essentially forced to get the Terra server anyway?
You’re exactly correct. Even if you had say an 8 TB server there’s still only a limited amount of space on those drives. So to free up space you would have to delete the server, but you always have access to re-download them from your account.
The same with the Strato V. You can just only store 10 movies at a time. I don’t know anyone that’s going to watch more than 10 movies than one day so to me it’s a great alternative to save money.
@@Youthman right. The downloading isn’t too inconvenient for most with good internet speeds.
Glad they’re moving in the right direction and are listening to feedback. I know they’re not catering to the budget guy or DIY guy, but many of us have spent much more than this on other parts of our system.
I appreciate what they’re trying to do here.
Even if it took 30 minutes to download, it takes me that long to drive to the local movie theater. 😀
One nice thing about this player, if you already have a Terra server and player, you can take this smaller one on travel and trips to access your library on the go
This is great news. Finally getting Dolby Vision. Don’t need to buy an extra server unless you want the extra storage.
Will this work on Sony Bravia OLED.
If it's successful, then they might make one with a more sensible hard drive. Surely a 4TB SSD is nothing in a $4000 media player. Better yet, they could allow you to add your own storage. Is there is money in movies sales, or only hardware sales? I would love to have a Kaleidescape, but at those prices, it's still a bad way for me to spend money. I like to stream normal movies, and I buy special movies on Blu-ray.
3:07 4k movies in ~10 minutes on a 1GB connection has never been my experience on Kaleidescape. It usually takes me ~30-45 minutes to download from their servers on a 1GB connection. Am I the only one? Something wrong with my network?
I have a one gig connection and I believe it took me around eight minutes to download the guardians of the Galaxy the other night.
Have you run a speed test from that Ethernet cable that it’s connected to? www.speedtest.net/
@@Youthman I have a 1GB network throughout my home. Services like Steam, and other game clients can max out, but never Kaleidescape. It’s directly connected to my switch. I’ll give it another test today to see if anything changed on their end. I know this particularly because anytime the family wants to watch a new release, we always opt for Vudu/Fandango in spur of the moment decisions because nobody wants to wait an hour to watch, as we’ve experienced before.
@@Youthman Yes, I have a 1GB wired network throughout my home and the Strato S is wired directly to the router. I usually avoid it whenever my family decides to watch a movie in the spur of the moment because the last couple of times we tried, we had to wait 45mins to an hour for it to download and it kinda killed movie time, so we just buy on Vudu/Fandango instead for the instant stream... Btw, I left this comment earlier and it disappeared? I'm going to test out the download speed on a $4.95 digital offer on Kaleidescape...
@@Youthman I have an entire list of downloads on my Kaleidescape history page that show nothing less than 30 minutes to download movies. Can you post your screen? How are you getting such speeds?
Youthman which amplifier would you recommend? Denon or Onkyo? for best result of Video and Music Audio.
I prefer Denon AVR’s. They are rock solid and with the newer models, you can purchase a Dirac or Audyssey MultEQ-X license if you want more control.
How does it compare to the R_volution playerone 8k authentic cinema signature edition? Add their NAS and you have storage for up to 3200 4K Blu ray movies and still pay much less than Kaleidoscape and the smallest Terra Prime storage.
Would love to see a hesd to head.
From what I m ow of it is that R_Volution is Android based, for better or worse, and they don't have a store and you have to rely on importing discs one at a time, or getting your rips from somewhere else.
You could probably ease the import process with a Nimbie hooked up to a computer and AnyDVD HD and/or MakeMKV.
But as far as video and sound fidelity, I can only speak for Kaleidescape, as that's what I have and haven't demoed R_volution products.
I’ve been on the fence for bout 5 years now and will NOW purchase because of this unit.
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This is finally a viable alternative to 4K UHD. It’s about time!
This is much more reachable! I’m really glad they made an all in one product opposed to purchasing multiple things. This is game changing
I definitely think it’s a win for consumers. Anytime we have more options. That’s a great thing.
Can you add your own reasonably priced external storage, or do you need to buy their overpriced option?
You need to use a Kaleidescape server
Getting there. Maybe one or two more generations of soaking this price point and they'll be priced where they should have started at.
What price do you feel they should have started at?
@Youthman, are you able to delete a movie and download a new one remotely from a phone app, like when you are away from your home, it will be ready to watch on your kaleidescape just to save time when you get home
Absolutely. He could be at the grocery store and download a new movie from the app and it will automatically delete one of your older movies to make space.
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Cool. Almost start to consider it. What countries will it work in?
They only have stores for the US and UK.
@@bluewombat But is there any geo restrictions if I but it on a trip to the UK? Like Netflix rights and therefore content is different in different countries.
Some company needs to copy what Sony is doing with their Bravia Core streaming. Up to 80 Mbps. UHD disc quality video and audio. No need to buy expensive hardware. You can rent or buy the movies you want. Right now it's limited to the Sony ecosystem, but if some big company such as Apple or Amazon decided to follow the Sony model, Kaleidescape would go belly up.
Will kaleidscape work in India???
that definitely a better way to get into the ecosystem. if they just fix the UI to show all movies in your account, this would really be a winner.
I’m sure they have heard this feedback before, but I will gladly share it with them again.
Precisely. I will buy one tomorrow if they were to do this. As it stands, the UI won't even show the entire Fast and The Furious collection on this turd.
if I can add subtitles, i will buy one
Can believe it, they’re almost giving them away. Must cost about $200 to make.
OSD Audio has always been about providing value.
Calling this affordable is just dishonest
Watch the video
In case you don’t watch the video, I’ll give you the cliff notes version of the five minute video.
Specifically, this is not inexpensive. But for someone that is considering purchasing a Kaleidescape system that begins at around $9000 to get into their ecosystem, a $4000 all in one solution is incredibly affordable. That’s less than half the cost of the next tier of Kaleidescape products.
I never said it’s affordable to everyone. The reality is $100 isn’t affordable to everyone $50 isn’t affordable to everyone. At one time in my life I had $12 in my checking account.
Really have to emphasize this. Extremely out of touch calling this affordable.
@@Youthman Well said Michael! I'm a perfect example of the cost being out of reach with what they previously offered and for me the Strato V was the product that puts it within reach and I quickly ordered it!
@Memerman Not necessarily, receivers are generally over a grand, top of the line...about $4k and up. Speakers...MoFi 888 is about $5k just like the new SVS. The price of admission has gone up in this hobby. The price of the player, + license clearance is what I would expect.
I have been waiting for this!
Whoohoo!
I think you are losing touch if you think that 4 thousand dollars is "affordable: for a player with a build of materials cost for that device cannot be more than a few hundred dollars. Modern Consumers know what computer components cost. And if Kaleidaecape wants to do a video with you to prove me wrong, I welcome it! I want to own kscape but I wont support them when we know they are gauging us for component costs when they already make money on every movie I will buy on the platform. If this box is 1500 or less, it would be expensive, but attractive. AT this price, its a hard pass. And its not cus I can't afford it, its becuase I refuse to pay the insane markup.
I would encourage you to go back and re-watch the video. I specifically said this is not inexpensive.
But if someone is looking at purchasing a Kaleidescape, and getting into the Kaleidescape ecosystem, this is absolutely a much more affordable solution. The next alternative is around $10,000. if you could purchase a car for a third of the price, would you say that’s a much more affordable solution? Or what about a house?
Since 2001, Kaleidescape is the only brand that has attempted to do what they have done. The only company.
Honest question, if it’s easy to make much more affordable solution that offers the same service, my question is why hasn’t one single company come along and provided that?
At the end of the day, Kaleidescape is a luxury item. Each consumer has to decide for themselves if they feel it’s worth it. And that will be different for everyone. I’m just glad we have more options.
my point is that it has no reason being expensive in the first place! They could sell this for a lot cheaper and still profit off the hardware while selling a lot more movies but are choosing to keep it an elitist product.
Do you really know what their cost is for licensing? I don’t claim to.
Again, my argument is if it can be done for much much cheaper, why hasn’t one single company stepped up to the plate to do so? there’s got to be a valid reason. Cope has been in business since 2001. If it was easy to do, surely someone in 23 years could have produced a product.
@@Youthmanhaving clear licensing, that's the real cost. There's a license attached to every download to ensure security (call it DRM if you will), but you know that Disney won't call the Feds on you.
That’s great news man! I kinda feel like I did the day Julia Robert’s married Lyle Lovett, hell I have a chance at that!
🤣🤣🤣 I love it
it’s 4 thousand dollars and stores 10 movies? lmao
Honest question Vinny, how many movies do you watch in a day? One? Two? Maybe three at most. Wouldn’t 10 be more than sufficient? You can re-download the movies that you have purchased as much as you want.
@@Youthman Good point. But a top end 1 terabyte enterprise NVME drive is worth $250 (top, at retail prices). $350 for 2TB. Top end. It would take a lot to increase it. Where I live, high speed 300mbps to 1gbps internet is becoming pretty readily available. Have to wonder where the money is going. Furthermore, even ven a 150mbps would theoretically be more than enough to just stream off the internet. Can't help but feel like the need for a local server in modern homes is becoming unnecessary to play even lossless audio and video. I think Kaleidescape is on borrowed time until someone creates a high speed fibre based lossless streaming solution. Maybe Apple TV Movies. Seems like it's just a matter of time as the internet is already ready.
@@Sienar7 couldn't agree more. Kscape is on borrowed time.
@charlesking678 seems to be going strong since 2001.
@@Youthman I curate my collection, and I’m not gonna rely on my internet connection for the films I spend money on.
You can buy terabytes of storage and rip a hundred 4K Blu-rays for a quarter of the price of this thing. Watch a few a CZcams videos and you can DIY it for even less. $4,000 US Dollars is not “affordable” - this is a glorified NAS for incurious rich people
Is this available in India ??
No. US, Canada, UK and Marine
I've owned one for a few mths now. Most movies are expensive, not all titles are available (B/S) unless you're watching 4k atmos I don't think it's much difference from disk 🤔 Not enough discount on most movies u already own...
Just wait until Apple TV streams lossless audio at a fraction of this price. It’s a hard pass for me. I’ll use my 4K Blu-ray player and Apple TV 4K.
We've been waiting. I have a feeling we'll be waiting a lot longer.
It would be fun to have but still quite a lot of money. And I prefer having the movies ready to go so will need a bunch of storage.
And I do like my physical collection that never goes anywhere. Doesn't matter if the company that made them shut down for good, they still work and look good on my Panasonic UB9000EG1 player
Definitely the step in the right direction, however, there are many movie titles with extended cut, director cut, alternate endings, import versions that will never be on the Kaleidescape movie server. One such example is Blade Runner from 1982: Kaleidescape only gives the end user the Final Cut version, I have 5 different versions on my blu ray edition.
There is room for Kaleidescape to improve, but I don't think it's the direction Kaleidescape will ever consider.
Great stuff. I love a piece of A/V kit that finds itself being controversial! There are plenty of pieces of equipment in this game that I can't justify spending the money on, eg a Trinnov processor or a JVC NZ800. I'd love to have both though and, if I was wealthier, I'd happily pay the ticket price. There are other piece of kit, eg Kaleidescape, that if I was considerably wealthier I still wouldn't stump up the cash for. What it offers just doesn't appeal to me - even if it cost only a hundred dollars. Seriously. Nothing to do with envy of those wealthier than me, I just see it as very poor value for money for a product that I have no desire for in the first place. Enjoyed the video though.
And that’s the great thing about this or any other hobby. We get to choose to spend our money on the things that are most important to us and what we each find valuable.
Someone will say “why spend $6000 on Theater Seats when I can buy a used couch for $200?”
There’s nothing wrong with either of those options. we just have to decide what works best for our needs and our budget.
This is good, lower prices means taking up more of the market, which means cheaper devices may be on the horizon in the future. However, I don't think they will ever market themselves to the budget minded, because that will remove all association they have with the luxury market and buyers.
Their target audience isn’t the masses. But neither is Rolex, Ferrari etc.
Who is going to be the first to hack this? Upgrade the onboard SSD to multi-TB to increase the storage. 😁
It's a cool product, but I'd rather keep buying physical media. I don't want K Scape to be in control of what I can and can't watch. There's security and pride in ownership.
And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. We all had to figure out what works best for us. I’m just grateful we have more options. That’s a win for consumers.
A recent report indicated that Sony plans to cut up to 250 jobs at its optical media plant, offering workers early retirement in preparation for phasing out its recordable disc production. The company has now confirmed this when it said in an interview with AV Watch that it would cease the development and production of recordable optical media discs, including Blu-ray. Furthermore, the Sony representative said, "We are not considering moving overseas," signaling the beginning of the end of recordable Blu-ray discs for consumers.
If you use Blu-ray to archive your data, you need to start purchasing recordable BD while supplies last. However, business clients and cinema buffs need not panic yet. "We will continue to sell B2B products by making them in advance, and for consumer products, we will decide on the specific end date in the future through discussions with distribution partners such as mass retailers, but we will continue to sell them for the time being."
The end of recordable Blu-ray production will reduce the number of options users have for reliable long-term storage of their data. Hard drives and SSDs last an average of five years, while Blu-ray discs could last decades, with some newer optical discs capable of lasting a hundred years.
Despite their longevity, Blu-ray discs are limited by capacity, with the largest limited to 125GB. While some Chinese researchers were able to create an optical disc format that can store up to 125TB of data, it's still in the research phase and not yet available commercially. This limitation is probably why consumers prefer the convenience of cloud storage for backups.
"The growth of the cold storage market has not reached our expectations, and the performance of the storage media business as a whole continues to be in the red," a Sony Group spokesperson said. "And we have determined that it is necessary to review the business structure to improve profitability."
Even though Sony still retains Blu-ray production for corporate customers and the film industry, the future of optical media is bleak, at least for Sony. The spokesperson added, "We aim to continue our business at an appropriate scale in line with the market environment and return to profitability through three measures: (1) the gradual termination of development and production and the reduction of the size of our workforce in the recordable optical disc media business, (2) the reduction of the size of our personnel in the tape media business, and (3) the transition to a single-company structure from April 2025 and the change to efficient operations in line with the scale of our business."
It’s cool this is out there for ppl. But a nvidia shield is all ya need with kodi installed
What is Kodi and what does it do or offer?
I'm guess I'm "Old school".
I like having "Physical" media.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is just another option for consumers.
I’ve read most of the comments, and I agree with most of them. Still too expensive for your typical DIY’er HT enthusiast like me. I do prefer hard disc blues-ray’s. I’ve been purchasing movies through “Fandango At Home”, but I’m rethinking that only because I like what hard disc gives you in like behind the scenes, deleted scenes and so on. I was excited when you mentioned that price on KS, but only limited space for that price and you have to get their server, oh well. Let’s see what the future brings.
It's definitely a step in the right direction. More options for consumers is a win.
Your version of affordable and mine are completely different 😆
Again watch the video, affordable is in the context of someone that is already considering purchasing Kaleidescape for $9000 or more for the entry level system. Or maybe for the person that can’t afford that but they could afford $4000.
For most people, $4000 is still a lot of money, but it certainly attainable. I have many friends that spend over $1000 a month on one or more vehicles. Thats a choice.
Much better pricing, still just a touch out of reach but much better.
Will this still have all the scaling and demo features? Is the only difference is the 10 downloaded movies vs the whole library?
From their website, it does say they offer upscaling. Let me check on the demo features and if you can set up scripts
@@Youthman thx.
Of course this comes up as I’m getting a whole house back up generator setup figured out. After the hurricane last week and power outages it’s taking priority which is about the same price. Can’t watch movies without power!
@JoeLechnar gotta take care of basic needs first
@@Youthman I’m really curious about this too, I hope they can send one out for you to test for us in the near future. I’m hoping the storage was its only limitation and everything else Kaleidascape offered on the other media players are the same.
Once they allow me to connect my own external hard drive to the player, then I will buy it
I don’t see that ever happening due to security and license agreements with the studios.
@@Youthman they can still lock it down security wise. Just hard to swallow spending 1000s for what’s basically an external hard drive
Two issues, I’ve yet to see an unlimited data plan for homes so you can quickly hit your data cap for the month and be charged extra and I still can’t play my movies on my phone for example
You can’t watch Kaleidescape from your phone so no worries about using your data. It uses your internet connection, not your cell carrier’s data.
@@Youthman you didn't read the comment, again. I'll repeat, houses don't have unlimited data plans
I can assure you some houses do have unlimited internet plans. Mine does.
And it has DOLBY VISION!!!!!!?? I am buying this!
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I like it, but wish they included a larger drive size in this unit. I get that it would cannibalize the premium model but that would be a lot more attractive. Guess it depends how fast the downloads go in reality
They don't even need to do that. all they need to do is show all the movies on the UI.
I have a feeling we will see that in the near future don’t know how soon, but they have received many request for that feature, and it makes sense to me
@@Youthman Premium service for advanced UI which shows all titles in the cloud for a nominal fee. 300-500 a year and includes extra warranty/support plus discounts on titles in the store. They can even have a "Prime Day". A Strato V with the above model would be very reasonable, and would be big revenue stream for KScape.
I rip UHDs to my SAN and play them back with full lossless audio and Dolby Vision via plex and Nvidia shield. Can someone help me justify the $3000 (cost of SAN plus Shield is ~$1000) price increase to get Kalediscape?
There’s nothing wrong with ripping your own disks and learning Plex and dealing with its frustrations. But that’s not what everyone wants.
Most of the 4K movies in Kaleidescape's store are not available on 4K Blu-ray. No movie is available in your home in 4K Blu-ray when the clock strikes midnight on the day of digital release, but they are with Kaleidescape.
That’s also technically not legal. For those that want a fully legal system, there isn’t a comparable option.
I’m assuming that’s where the vast majority of cost comes from for KScape. I’m sure they have to pay some pretty significant licensing costs to the studios.
That is correct technically if you bypass DRM, at least in the US it’s not legal.
@@fridaynightgamefilmwell ok, buying access to the ecosystem is the value proposition then. I might not agree but at least I understand, thank you.
Great break down interested to see what other capabilities it has when they launch it
Glad to see it can be added to other servers. Still high but at least in the realm of possibility.
Definitely much more attainable than a $9000 point of entry.
I've gotta know what's in this that's more powerful than 2 top end gaming PCs with RTX 4090 graphics cards. Whatever it is, you'll have a hard time convincing me it' cost more than £1000 in parts and manufacturering.
The Dolby Vision is a massive boom though for Kaleidescape.
If you have a high speed fttp, do you even need a server anymore? Say if you had 300 - 500Mbps?
The power is the fact that the consumer doesn’t have to build it. It just works out of the box.
Kaleidescape's hardware is the price of entry to their movie service. None of the hardware you are comparing to Kaleidescape gives you access to a huge library of theater-grade movies and TV shows, with lossless Dolby Atmos or DTS spatial audio, and visually-lossless super high bit-rate video. If you've invested in a really nice home theater setup, there is no better source device / movie service to give you the content you want, when you want it, in the best possible quality. This new player cuts the cost of entry significantly.
I got a Nas with all my media on it. What would be the difference between a Kaleidescape Strato V. And a R_volution player
If you have the knowledge and hardware to build a NAS and rip your media, the R_volution is a great solution.
The Strato V will not work with other media outside the Kaleidescape platform.
@@Youthmanyou can buy a NAS from R_volition with drive and rip software all installed and included. Just put your 4K disk in and it will rip it and put it in your library etc. For $250 you can even add a second external drive and rip 2 movies at the same time.
@@Youthman I gotta say. The Kaleidescape Strato V looks promising. It ain't cheap. And on top of that. U need to pay for movies. And to my understanding. U can't play movies otherwise. And even that. I am curious about the licensing owning digital movies. Think I am better off with the R_Volution
It's a strong step in the right direction, good on them for listening and expanding the available options for people, still not for me though. Think I'll still do things the ahrd way, I just bought a 16bay NAS from QNAP today for Prime day for $1100, I'll be looking forward to building it out here in the next few weeks.
I am thinking that we may be getting closer to higher bit stream rates from stream providers. I may buy one of these, but I need to get the house painted. Thanks for the vid bro, much appreciated.
Thank you, Percy. Honestly, I don’t see streaming offering full lossless audio and video ANYTIME soon. Like within the next 10 years.
The vast majority of consumers don’t care and don’t have the equipment to take advantage of it. so it doesn’t make sense for companies like Netflix and Hulu to invest huge amounts of money, for a very small section of their customer base
@@Youthman that's a good point. I know Sony has their service maybe they can help bring that change? Either way this is good news from Kaleidescape.
I’m all for options for consumers. If we have more affordable options, especially with this crazy economy, where everything stupid expensive, it’s nice when a company is offering a more affordable solution to consumers. to me, that’s a huge win!
@@Youthman yeah totally agree. The economy as far a jobs is actually good what is hurting people is the cost of living keeps going up and the wages hasn't caught up and then you factor inflation. Everyone is feeling it.
100% agree. Everything in my life is significantly more expensive than it was just three or four years ago. You’re paying much more and getting much less. That unfortunately is the life we live.
Ha ha
I had that secret “scoop” at MWAVE…
Hope they give more discounts.
It will be great to lineup demo materials …
Take my money now Kaleidoscape 😭!!!
Are you able to add your own 4K Blu-ray rips (MKV) to this system?
No. You would need a media player like R_volution or Zidoo.
@@Youthman thanks for confirming. I will keep my NVIDIA Shield Pro for now
I believe it would be more effective to showcase the product in a practical home or family setting in order to demonstrate its usability and various use cases. Most people may find it difficult to see the purpose of a high-end item like this, so it would be helpful to illustrate its functionality with real-life examples. Seeing the hardware and software in action would make it easier to imagine potential use cases and understand the value of the product.
I agree. I’m open to reviewing it.
I believe KScapes new price is a reflection of its scalability. The scalability I speak of is there ability to service a larger number of customers using there existing server network. Sure future upgrades in there infrastructure will enable them to handle the load, but for now the price reflects and steers the number of new customers KScapes believe it can handle….IMO
The price will decrease in the future once this new batch of customers pans out and proves they can scale effectively.
…..IMO 😊
This is a great move by them. I am curious about the download to playable times.
There’s definitely still a gap in the price between this and what we can purchase to have a fairly similar experience without much hassle, talk about a Zidoo player or Vero ($300/$200 devices) where we can rip our movies or even easier and faster, get remuxes of the ones we own (and keep a clean conscience). I keep my rips in a TerraMaster 4 disk enclosure that costs $160. With a $1K budget you’re set for years. But when the Stratos get closer to that, say $1500, it’ll totally tilt the balance in their favor and they’ll be an essential in every HT enthusiast’s room, I have no doubt about it.
Nice video Youthman. The beauty of this product and every luxury product is you don’t have to buy it whether you have the money or not. I have used Plex and other players and they all have issues a high end consumer doesn’t want to deal with or learn. I see the appeal if you can swing it. I’m with you, I’m still waiting for Ferrari to make an affordable sports car 😉
Thank you and I agree.
Lets all take a step back and look at this the movie's on this media player it is the same as your DvD or Blu-ray or even 4k movies that you buy the movies mite be a little sharper that's all if it's a bad movie it's still going to be bad on this player and i all so heard if the company goes broke you all so lose the movies you bought this company is living in a dream world i got a Zidoo with my Blu-ray's rip on it and a 4k tv they look Fantastic
If you’re able to rip your 4K discs as a one-to-one copy, they look almost identical to Kaleidescape. Kaleidescape provides convenience and ease of use for the entire family without the time and knowledge required to build a server, obtain the software needed to rip your movies etc. some people are willing to pay a premium for the convenience and features Kscape provides.
Im glad they have a lower priced option but the real problem is its still too expensive, for $4,000 i could buy 200 4k discs at an average price of 20 dollars. Again the only people considering kaleidescape already have a system above $20-40k+ and want to upgrade in the near future to a bigger system.
I would be curious to see a poll on how much the average person spends on theor theater because my guess would be somewhere between 1k-10k.
For people who cant afford to jump up to kaleidescape i recommend a panasonic 420/820 player and to buy 4k discs, thats what i use at home and its just as good picture and sound quality wise as kaleidescape. Maybe a few movies here and there you get a 5% boost in quality versus the disc but its pretty much 1:1.
The movie files they display at commercial theaters are getting heavily encrypted hard drives averaging around ~600gb+ per movie. Discs top out near 80-100 GB with double or triple layer blu rays and the biggest movie on kaleidescape i saw was avatar 2 at like 130-150GB. Not even half of what the commercial theaters get
So cool!
I agree Matt. They are listening to consumer feedback and have provided a much more affordable option.
I am so glad they finally announced this.
After all the chatter at MWAVE.....good to see this being official. :)
It’s official!
almost nobody is buying this
Some people will complain no matter what they announce 🤷♂️ Keep in mind there are plenty of customers that are willing to pay $10,000 or more for a Kaleidescape system. This now opens up to a new target audience. I think they are going to sell a ton of these.
@@Youthman I appreciate this video and your content. I am sad I can't afford it. I'm curious to see how many units sell compared to 4k blue ray players, current gen game consoles, and robust gaming pc's. All which cost a fraction of the price. I know retailers are phasing out physical media, but will physical 4k media become extinct?
I totally get it. Keep in mind, just because you cannot afford it now doesn’t mean that you will never be able to afford it. I never dreamed I would have a dedicated Theater Room, yet here I am. Only took me 18 years but I did it.
If you need some motivation, check out my journey czcams.com/video/Klp1oHL6MzE/video.htmlsi=vE9zlQSqR2K4GjHV
Kaleidescape isn’t trying to compete with physical media or gaming consoles.
I would use the word " affordable " loosely $4000 dollars is still very expensive!!!
Love my Kscape in my theater. I have an older entry level Strato S. Takes a lot longer to download a movie vs the Strato C or Strato V. Seems like a great introduction to the Kscape experience.
Affordable? Maybe if I sell my car. Wait, I don't have a car.
It is still way too expensive just for entry into this ecosystem. A Kaleidescape, at this point, is just a flex for someone with money who doesnt want to have 4k discs. I'd be interested in seeing a side by side bit rate test of their digital movies and a 4K disc. For now, Plex is still better with a Shield Pro. You can build it for less than $1k and have rips that are just as good of quality.
I don't see it as a flex at all. Some people spend their money on car payments. Others on hunting, fishing, or whatever other hobby they have. PLEX is buggy and at times a royal pain in the butt. Everyone knows that. You simply don't have those issues with Kaledescape. And for some, that matters. DIY'ers are willing to endure the frustrations to save money and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
@@Youthmanone thing people fail to realize when they mention DIY solutions. You can’t back up a disk that doesn’t exist. I recently watched Die Hard 3 and 4 on Kscape in 4K. Those don’t exist on disc.
This is not affordable by any stretch. 4 grand for a player that can only hold 10 4k movies? What? What planet are we living on? The hardware they are using in that player can be had in a mini pc for $150 tops. The hard drive can be had for $50. You can use kodi and your done. You own your movies and don't have to buy into a proprietary system that can go out of business any second and you lose all your movies. If they can't figure out that normal people are not going to settle for this kind of ridiculous pricing then they don't deserve to be in business.
Honest question, how many movies would you be able to watch in a given day? One? Two? Maybe Three at the most? The Strato V holds 10 movies at a time and only takes 10 min or less to download a movie from your purchased library to the player. Another honest question. Which takes longer. To drive to your local cinema or to download a movie to the Kaleidescape. Affordable is relative to what you are comparing it to. When compared to the lowest tier Kaleidescape system, $4,000 vs $9,000 is affordable.
Time and money is relative. I don't watch that many movies in a day but thats not the point. The company is absolutely overcharging for their product. For what you are buying and what you get it just doesn't add up. Sure there are people that will buy it but there are people that will buy million dollar homes and cars too. If people feel there is value in it then that's fine too. All in saying is there are many options out there for people not doesn't involve paying thousands of dollars for not a lot. I personally don't like any system that is locked down. I fear that buying a bunch of movies from a company that is this niche is a recipe for disaster. I would like to know what happens too my movies that I spent a lot of money for if the company no longer exists? Does anyone know this. I would venture to guess you no longer own those movies. Why do they charge thousands of dollars for hard drive space? This is not logical. Sure charge more for the player if your going to use the studio card to justify the price but don't upcharge for the hard drive space as well.
First off, I'm glad to see you doing reviews again. Yay we got the old Youthman back!! 😁😁 As far as this device, 4k is still a bit out of my reach, but so is a Porsche. Never say never though. Hopefully Kscape will become more affordable for folks that want to get into thier ecosystem. Until then, the wife and I are sticking with our Panny UB820. Blessing to you and the fam YM!
Me too! I really missed them as well. LOTS more reviews in the works over the next month!
Happy they are trying to bring their prices down, and Dolby vision support is an absolute must ❤
But I can't find any dolby vision content in their store, all their movies say SDR?
Unfortunately it's a deal breaker that I have to pay for their overpriced servers, instead of connecting my own external storage.
Thanks Youthman to me this is ground breaking. Understand I live in Canada, prior to this I was looking at almost $14,000 Canadian to get into their system. Now it’s 6K Canadian, to be that’s now a reachable goal for me. I’m not to worried about storing more than 10 movies, I can only watch one at a time. As for the different user interface I will see, but won’t miss what I don’t have. I’m sure it will be a step up from most. Consider I paid 5,000 for my Anthem MRX 1140, this for me is what I have been hoping for. Great Video.
Does anyone know once you create a script and you delete a movie from that script, do you have to make the script again?
And can you store scenes if the movie is not on the player?
I don't wanna be mean to those guys at Kaleidescape, but proudly announcing such a player in 2024, at this "affordable" price, is kind of ridiculous. Can you even imagine such a great, majestic player, being capable of decoding Dolby Vision and, hold your horses...lossless audio? I'm sorry, but this is quite funny, guys. Most of the mid-tier blu-ray/4k players are capable of doing that, for at least 10 years now. You can get the Panasonic UB820 for what, 350-400 USD? It's Dolby Vision capable and decodes all the lossless audio formats. Even the high-end UB9000 is a real bargain, compared to this wonder of the AV world. So, for what exactly are you paying thousands and thousands of dollars? For the so-called convenience? Well, convenience seems to be quite expensive these days. And, by the way, I wonder which is more convenient: waiting for at least 10 minutes to download a movie or just putting a disc in a "classic" player, in a matter of seconds?
I still don’t see this as affordable but hopefully many will like this price.
My only hesitation on buying this version or any kscape version is when their models will become HDMI 2.1 compatible. Will that even matter in regard to the current restrictions of studios? Someone who’s more knowledgeable, please opine…
There isn’t any 8K content so 2.1 isn’t needed for Kaleidescape.
@@Youthman apologies, it looks like the strato v is using an hdmi 2.1 port.
Thanks for the video. I will see if in a few years or less they have a one at around $1.200 dollars Canadian price, we all saw the prices for 4K TVs was high when they came out. I have my LG 4K Television with Dolby Vision and HDR10 on my 55 inch and it cost me $1,400 dollars plus Tax Canadian as the prices came way down. I have to say that is the target costumers these are the ones like my left that drive the market, My Two Mission 10 inch subwoofers I purchased brand new for $450.00 each plus Tax Canadian , My two last purchases was my Panasonic UB20 4K Bluray player I got for $499.99 plus taxes and my Onkyo TX-RZ 840 for $999.99 Plus tax on sale during Covid
back when i worked as a Audio Video sales rep. more expensive things we sold like Ronco Projectors was like one or two a year in our Store home theater. we catered to High end costumers and more affordable great sounding systems. We shall see if Kaleidescape hits that price point. I know in my heart this will happen sooner in 2026.
I’m not sure we will see Kaleidescape ever offering a $1200 player but who knows.
It’s kind of like saying I hope Ferrari makes an option that’s $75,000. Wishful thinking.
Finally. I was hoping for an upgraded Strato S with Solid state memory and 2.5gb LAN at a "reasonable" price point. I wasn't holding my breath for Dolby Vision/HDR but am glad for it. This almost checks every box on my wish list to get me to jump into the ecosystem today. The 1gb LAN is a big miss though. Remaining unknowns are the new UI and disk to digital capability???? Hopefully they will consider upgrading the LAN capabilities for those that have fast internet. There actually have been many users who have complained that even with multi gigabit internet services, downloads are well over the 10 minutes Kscape quotes, often 30-60 minutes. (Glad your downloads are faster Michael.) Anyway, maybe a future upgrade will bump to the 2.5gb ethernet spec. If so, it would be nearly perfect! Thanks Michael
Watching Jiles McCoy's livestream with Tayloe last night, it answers some big question. First, it will support disc to digital. Fantastic. With it's solid state storage vs the old spinning drive in the Strato S, it will provide much improved download times, even with only a 1gb ethernet port, so perhaps it will download quickly for its purpose. Finally, they understand that users are interested in browsing their entire K Scape library through the player without having to browse through the app, so they are considering making some changes to the UI allow it in the future, which would be great. If you have Terra servers then you get the full UI. So, it seems they have hit the major home run with this product for those of us who want the quality and convenience of the KScape ecosystem but can''t or don't want to pay for a server.
Still about $3k more that it's worth to me.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. But I don’t think you’ll ever see Kaleidescape for $1000.
Finally!!!!!! Thx youthman!
Glad you enjoyed the video Danny
Nice equipment, serves a good purpose.
Still way WAY out of my price Range!
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Judging by the comments the overwhelming majority feel the new $4k price might as well be $10k, and I feel the same way. I can't see this moving the needle much for K-scape. This is a very pricey way to watch a movie.
Sales numbers will tell if it’s the right move for them. If it doesn’t move the needle and open up to a new audience, they can always go back to selling just their higher end models.
Always nice to get good products. I prefer ripping my Blu rays, and using a dedictaed pc. As i have been bitten by third parties before, i want to be as independent as possible when enjoying my media, and do that Offline.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
In my case, I have a collection of more than 4500 titles (DVD, Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray). I have real physical media and titles that will probably never be on their movie list. So paying for this device is a no-brainer. The price of a 4K Blu-ray is roughly the same as buying their format. Of course it takes up space, but paying for the physical media or the download, my choice is made.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying physical media.
More affordable? Yes. Affordable for me to get into the ecosystem? No. But I do like that they're trying to get options at lower price points.
I agree. I think it’s a win for consumers. Anytime we have more options. That’s a good thing.
my Sony 4K Ultra Bluray player has Dolby Vision and I bet it has a better picture than this thing. When I saw the price, I thought it must have a huge library of movies on it. It has none. I can buy a lot of movies for that price,
The original price of the player was not bad, it's the prices of the HDD that are insane and hard for them to justify the cost they are selling them at.
Two things I would like to see! 1. This player become available worldwide ability to use external storage like NAS with it..
My guess is worldwide availability comes down to licensing so sometimes that’s beyond their control.
I don’t ever see them, allowing external storage. Without strict control, they run the risk of the unit getting hacked and purchased media getting illegally distributed. If that happens, every studio would back out and they cannot risk that.
@@Youthman that's right!
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I just don't understand why people think it's so hard to put a disc in a player. I don't get it.
There’s nothing difficult about putting in a physical disk. But you have to realize, not everybody wants to do that.
There are those in this world that would rather hire a driver, a lawn care guy or a housekeeper. It all comes down to convenience.
I can guarantee you if I had 1000 physical discs, my family would not be able to find a movie they were looking for. But they can easily do that with the Kaleidescape.
NO HDR 10+. AND a modified version. BEWARE
Only if HDR10+ is important to you. My JVC NX7 didn’t have HDR 10+ and I loved it! 10+ is nice, but it’s certainly not a can’t live without feature.
@@Youthman I have the LG G4. HDR10+ and Dolby visions shines. Wish they had it
@@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS LG G4 doesn't support HDR10+, it supports Dolby Vision, HDR10 and HLG like all the previous generations of LG OLED's
@@Hansen999 you smart
@@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS Couldn't be further from the truth. We own a C2 and are looking at buying a G4 for the lounge room, I have just done my research.
Still overpriced, can I afford it? Yes! Will I pay this premium? No, there are way more wiser options to spend your money, definitely not for this equipment because they are charging for basic stuff $$$.
Nothing wrong with that. We have to decide what we value and what’s important to us.
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