The ultimate KATANA vs LONGSWORD analysis
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Every video I have watched that tries to compare the Japanese Katana to Medieval European Longsword miss the most significant thing to consider. This time, lets do it right!
The Katana series:
• The TRUTH about the KA...
Why the Katana has a curve:
• Video
Single edged vs double edged swords:
• Video
This video is a work of art Shad, well done and excellent points!
Thank you so much for saying so Raff. I'm truly honoured you like it ^_^
Shadiversity More variety means more bad swords as well. Variety equaling better is a logical fallacy. Besides that,we live in an age of advancement. we can make any sword far better than it usually was, so evolution continues.
longsword master race!
Shad says that to be able to choose between a sword catagory with a bigger variety is better than to choose in a narrower one adding furthermore that it's so only if the broader options of the first category cover all the vantages of the second one. That is true and not at all a fallacy. Otherwise your argument is fallacious, your error is called hasty generalization, a katana is on average better than a longsword therefore katanas are better than longswords. To note that the error did not depend on the subject, if you assert that to choose in a vaster variety is bad you're fallacious and wrong.
P.S.
English is not my first language so be mercifull...
valdo aluppi 1. Usually the samurai,as opposed to ashigaru and such, had their swords either forged to their specifications or they bought a quality they could afford. "Think shooters preference" for a nowaday comparison...especially because samurai kived lives in the early days of guns and used them,but I digress. 2. I assert based on the advantages in cut control that a katana is superior as a cut is more lethal than a slash, with alot more twrget area to perform a stopping blow than a thrust,particularly a weaker one requiring huge accuracy like a rapier. 3. Long swords had more variety because the eras affected the type of fighting and armor they would deal with. One period could be worse against the medium to heavy armor of the samurai than another. Variety DOES NOT equate to superiority. The US has the highest diversity rates of any developed country, yet our poverty rates and crime are far worse than Japan's and Swedens for example. They are far more homogeneous, so where is the benefit in careless immigration now? Where is affirmative action working when men are now disenfranchised with college attendance versus women? So it is easier to get the longsword you specifically want on the open market,big deal. If u have the money, u get it CUSTOM MADE IRREGARDLESS! ;) Both Samurai and Knights did this. 4.Directional stability is part of evolution. Why do most women seem to prefer about average penis sizes? (5.16×4.6 inches) directional stabilization. I can have a 1000x different LS and only 100x katana,but for me i would prefer more katanas than longswords based on its geometric design and aerodynamics. It is faster and more control at the cost of range. Different specialties granted,but i don't need variety, I need FUNCTION. :)
There's no better way to "win" an argument conclusively than to explain why the whole premise of the argument is flawed.
yup
I'd note the question would be better as 'comparing the average katana to the average longsword, which is overall more useful?
Did... did you not hear the ending remarks? There is no "average longsword!" There is so much variation in designs that you cannot average them to one design. "Longsword" means cutting, thrusting, control, and length all at the same time, just not in the same blade.
The katana is a blade made from tradition. The variations of katanas are able to be averaged because tradition has always pushed just one aspect of the blade, cutting. The contrast with longswords with different geometries and roles, and tradition being less important than improvement, shows how were not even comparing truly similar things.
It's like saying "what is the average Ford vs. the average tuner?" Ford is a brand with many variations of vehicles for different roles. Tuners are street race cars designed around being really good for the street exclusively. You can average tuners, they all do the same thing. Fords fill so many roles, you can't average a town car and pickup truck to get a suv, they are all different.
The word "longsword" refers to many blade types, "katana" is just one type of blade.
@@Ortorin Damned straight.
@@benjaminolson7206 Except if its a katana.
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The Chad crusaders vs the virgin weebs
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F-nite vs Minecraft
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@@storytimezombeh858 it's not really
the whole internet just saw one man essentially end an argument with the phrase "it depends" and sometimes it's all you need.
Weapons in different regions of the world are very specialized for their own environments. There's a reason Europe liked longswords and there's a reason Japan used katanas.
Yeah, Japanese armors have more open spot unlike the full plate armors that can only be penetrated by stabbing.
A true Shad
I honestly thought he would say longsword is the winner seeing his content.
A man with a katana vs a man with a longsword, who'll win?
The doctors.
The one with plate armor
Obviously the longsword has an edge.
@@VitalyMack correction the longsword has two edges the katana has one :P
Well, a proper knight (15th century) with plate armour and chain mail will have probably the advantage, because he (and his sword) is used to deal with armored opponents. While the katana already alone (made for cutting) will have big problems to deal with such protection.
@@Xarx42 against steel armour. I think the advantage goes heavily to the sword. There are multiple techniques that can be applied using the sword to get through armour that you simply cannot do with a katana.
Katana VS Longsword
Winner: SPEAR!
Npc
gun
What are you talking about... kite shield
Kung lao hat
nuclear bomb
Stop telling me to watch your other videos. I need to sleep.
sleep is for the weak
You'll sleep at work.
We need to sleep, my term paper is due tomorrow
Can sleep when you are dead
@@schizophreniagaming1187 "sleep" is singular
Katana's tend to be good at slicing and cutting.
Longswords tend to be good at slicing, cutting, stabbing, chopping, pomelling, starting a crusade, subjugating heathens, being used as a starter weapon in rpgs, and starting internet debates.
You’ll find katanas are just as good at starting internet debates.
Katana is good then lol long sword
Don’t forget Katanas also are good for beheading peasants for disrespecting you
@@cavalryboah5776 But not for taking back Jerusalem
@@bizybliztaverage9414 To be fair, longswords didn’t do a good job to take it back.
But at least they tried
The Witcher is the only game thats made me feel like longswords are fast and lethal and compete with katanas. Japanese fantasy tends to make katanas look like the ultimate weapon against everything whereas longswords are made out to look like blunt clunky starter weapons.
Well I mean according to Japanese fantasy a katana is indestructible and can cut through almost anything
Pop culture isn’t reality people can’t seem to understand not only is the long sword technological superior its made with better materials especially the late age medieval steel swords that cut through everything
@@swaythegod5812 I know I was just joking honestly I'm tired of people thinking katanas are the best sword ever made lol
I've handled both katanas and type 14s (European longsword). Both blades are equally sharp, but Katanas do cut better for 2 simple reasons:
1. Blade geometry. European swords have a tapered edge with a thick center, which creates resistance. Cloth armor can stop a cut from one. Katana blades are thicker and transition smoothly into the edge, combined with the curve. This allows for all the cutting power to be concentrated in smaller surface area. It will eat cloth armor.
2. Edge alignment. European swords require more training to wield effectively. Because of the handle and aforementioned blade geometry, a newbie will have an easier time making a straight cut with a katana. Like bowling with guard rails.
Katanas aren't indestructible and they aren't "the best" sword, but their cutting power got its reputation for good reason, especially considering that the Japanese had inferior steel and managed to get that kind of quality out of it. At the end of the day, any sword will kill you. But katanas cut better for the same reason a cutlass has more cutting power than a rapier. Simple physics.
@@beckonerseven9517 let’s say the wielded is top class in both cases. The Kingsport would win in most cases because it is technically superior. Katana is great for slicing. The sword is good for so much more including slicing. There is a german 40 minute documentary I can show you. The sword wins quite easily
1:51 the guy holding the sword is in more stress than the sword is
Nice pfp
@Fortnite Gaming i cringed so hard at looking your name
I hope it’s like a dull blade other wise say good bye to your fingers
Fortnite Gaming to a 12 yearold everything is cringe
It gave me anxiety just seeing it. I'm just waiting for a nasty laceration somewhere even though it's a still photo.
Who needs swords when you have a pressurized canister of Greek fire?
TasBougas for when my specifically bred anti Greek fire goblins come running at you
Age of guns is here
@TasBougas u mean 'who needs a sword if u cant afford one due to debts' xDDD
TasBougas or you just have a couple thousand year old Xiphos named Riptide that has the biggest plot armor ever created
Treu how about artillery
Katana is the best sword ever made
in Japan
Saber*
Excalibur
@@noobsaibot8780 seiba*
@pikminbeebop No😂
Depends on the purpose of the sword, you know.
so this is a nice video and all ... but you refused to acknowledge one simple fact that puts katanas above any other sword: if you release all of your chakras the katana allows you to cut through every longsword you can imagine. This is signified by a black aura around the katana and your eyes glowing red. The effect is strengthened by screaming at the top of your lungs.
Yes but longswords have *"The Pommel"* to end someone rightly.
holy frick 😂 but if you're talking like that then might as well say "breathing technique"
Except for Excalibur, mate. Excalibur wins everything if its only condition is met: being just.
You mean screaming like a little girl
you also need to be a 15 year old that beats fully grown men that are life long warriors
i think the biggest problem with the Longsword vs Katana debate is that we're comparing a sword from a small isolated island country to one that was exposed to all of Europe and then some
SlenpaiwasHere Katana,evolved from tachi, got less range and gained more control and durability for dueling and back up infantry weapon and horseback weapon. Good carry weapon for out and in doors. Fought chinese,koreans,mongols, Philippine pirates, and on occasion south east pirates. 1300s- present day. Always steel,never iron in origin. Even the mongolian invasions had chinese and koreans as a massive part. Chinese coped it a bit or developed a similar sword independently (teng dao). Koreans only survived on land due to chinese help in the invasions. Either way, the main used weapon that saw impact for both where above all spears and arrows.
wiggalama katana didnt evolve from tachi. katana is a modern term. tachi is a katana based up on modern terms.
SlenpaiwasHere that's a good point katana were mostly used against other people with katana. Whereas the longsword evolved from fighting all sorts of different weapons.
1. The Katana (Uchigatana-type Nihonto) was an evolution of the Tachi, to respond towards the changing nature of warfare - where heavy armor and close combat on foot was increasing. However, "Tachi" can simply mean as one of the terms for "Long sword" in Japanese. In fact, many Koryu schools often refer to the Katana as "Tachi". Other terms are used as well, such as "Daito" and "Odachi" - which also mean "Long sword". Not surprisingly, there was a lot of overlap among these swords historically.
2. And Tang dynasty style Dao swords were already around since before the 8th century. They predate Japanese swords.
3. While long-ranged weaponry (polearms, projectile weapons) had important roles in warfare, it often gives the false connotation the the sword was a "useless last resort weapon". In reality, swords evolved because they needed to; they were extensively used, just in different contexts. Skirmishes, as well as in tight melee situations (ex: after pike formations broke, raids in castles/forests, etc.).
4. The "Katana were mostly used against other people with Katana" argument is a bit misleading. One must remember that past swordsmen in East Asia, regardless of against military foes or bandits, had to defend themselves from one of most common, basic weapons of man - spears and polearms.
In fact, most of the Chinese and Japanese swordsmanship material stem from the context of defending against polearms. Even the ones originating in the Edo era, such as Itto-ryu.
In addition, the dueling culture throughout the Edo period allowed people to bring whatever weapon of choice they desired - not only the sword. So even if there weren't as many types of swords as there were in Renaissance era Europe, Japanese swordsmen in fact had it far worse. Katana vs. Kusarigama, Katana vs. Yari, or Dual swords vs. Naginata - and so on.
While that in Western Europe seems to have been pretty uncommon. Most likely due to a different culture (concepts of chivalry & "equal ground", well-established sword laws for civilians, etc.), as well as modernized form of government with strong centralized power becoming prominent early on. Most of the HEMA treatises surviving today focusing on sword vs. sword reflects this.
+wiggalama There is still a big difference between the exposure.
I just love how in the clip of the guy chopping ice blocks the guy totally sandbags his technique when striking with the longsword, while he fully leverages his strike with the katana...
I also noticed that the variation of longsword he was using looked to be one of the ones shad pointed out as being strong in stabbing not necessarily in cutting.
They also used the wrong long sword, and swung the katana like.a blade and the longsword like a bat. Of course its flawed.
True but there's a lot of technical things in each swords design as far as functionality goes the truth is u can't really compare them since they were made for completely different styles ie the curve for a quick draw weight for speed vs size for power and so on
That show was scripted to the last frame, and R. Lee Emery actually.groched about it before his death. In other words, the show showed the bias or ignorance of the script writer.
Gunny deserved better.
I'll take a cross guard over a tsuba any day.
I like having fingers
Amen lol
YOU EAT BABIES!
I must know the context behind this comment.
Potato Patato we like keeping are fingers, that is the context
@@jonasneubert6425 Not that comment. The YOU EAT BABIES guy.
Katana vs Longsword:
- Can you throw the pommel to end your opponent rightly?
Katana: No
Longsword: Yes
I think we have a winner.
@Ryan Chen *dies
It's not everything the katana also has advantages so it doesn't matter
Well.. you can only use such a DEADLY move if it's a Pommel you can unscrew, if not then... well.. you can still win because Longsword beats Katana in every thing except the draw cut.
That’s why I ask nicely.
Hehe makes me think of the warden Execution in For Honor
Moral of the story:
Can't compare because it's like deciding if a hammer or a screwdriver is a better tool.
More like a screwdriver and a multi-tool
@@thermite1277
>confesses they are 15
>calls everybody kid
Okay lol
@@thermite1277 Yes 15 is kid. You are still an adolescent, and make it extremely apparent by how you act, and by how you cling to the title of teenager to differentiate yourself from being a kid. Theres a 2 year difference between you and a 13 year old purely by how long youve been on this earth, but there is little to no difference personality wise, and maturity wise. Anybody 20 and older would still call you a kid. Wake up to that reality, you arent special because youre a teenager, youre still just as young and dumb as anybody else within 3 years of yourself
Both are swords and are used for the same thing. A hammer and Screwdriver are different,. You could compare it to Philips and Flathead screwdriver, or finishing hammer and sledge hammer
@@thermite1277 yo holy shit you just got put down by a fucking weeb
Which is better, the katana or the longsword?
Shad: "Yes"
but also no, so the true answer here is maybe
But only some times
@@chicken29843
Spear pros
-Extra reach to keep enemies away
-Cheap to produce
-Easy to learn how to use
-Better against a cavalry charge
Spear cons
-Heavy and unwieldy
-Closer combat
-Low resilience (due to damage in combat)
-Less potential for mastery
Sword pros
-High potential mastery
-Closer combat
-Light and agile (provided it is a decently made blade)
-Very high resilience
-Versatile
-Good control
Sword cons
-Very close combat
-expensive
-Hard to learn
-Bad at stopping cavalry charges
The spear makes a very effective front line weapon, the sword tends to be better for charging and attacking.
Heavy armor and shields work better against spears. Although swords cannot go through most heavy armors a good stroke to the side of the helm can result in concussions.
I personally prefer using a sword over a spear, but in general a spear is a better weapon for an army to equip its soldiers with.
You forgot the most important variation of all: coolness factor.
can't disagree, because a 9mm would end anybody wielding any sword... being enough meters away
both is cool
@@LeoMkII it still depend though where u shoot it... U dont end a person even with a 50Cal if u shoot it right on the foot
Leonardo Bacigalupe what does that have to do with coolness?
How do determine that ? There’s no obvious standard of that . Unless you’re a weeb so you proceed to wank the katana
so what youre saying is is that my PC is a longsword. That thing is even more multipurpose than i thought.
LONGSWORD MASTER RACE! ;)
Well, PC win all discussions, even when not talking about games. :D
how is shape of pommel significant? i mean... i guess if you want to end someone rightly...
Not shape but weight. Some were smaller, some bigger, some hollow, all to manipulate the point of balance, weight, and speed.
BarbikaPahor that is the most reveared and feared tactic. Katana loses cuz you can end them rightly. done, case closed
Good point if your pummel is hollow. Thus has very little mass the effect of hitting your opponent with it would be significantly reduced. Thus lowering your chances to "end someone rightly".
Well, you CAN strike with a pommel. If you half-sword the weapon, IE grab it and use it by the blade, you can use the pommel as a really shitty mace or just general blunt instrument. If the pommel however has, say a spike or something, you can then stab with it in either a half-sword or regular holding position, although the latter being a hell of a lot more limited in practical use.
And thats the wonderful thing about Long Swords. They have so much utility and alternate uses to them, depending on design.
"grab it and use it by the blade, you can use the pommel as a really shitty mace or just general blunt instrument."
But that is not how you end your opponent rightly.
i love how much his channel grew as a result of the algorithm spike he got from hate-clicks on his katana videos. katana fan boys literally boosted this channel to the sky
@huge asian x petite white arent we all sword fanboys though? or medieval weaponry and armoury fanboys?
The main thing I have noticed between these two is the big difference in use. A longsword was a main weapon that someone would carry, rather than a back up. A katana was an auxiliary weapon or a purely self defense weapon. Not quite a war sword if you will.
The longsword also has a higher emphasis is defense compared to a more balls to the walls approach
Longswords were sidearms in the same way katana were, to a main polearm or missile weapon
@@StonesSticksBones THEY HAD MISSILES????
@@iexist.imnotjoking5700 missile as in projectile weapon, bow, crossbow, javelin, musket, etc
@@StonesSticksBones THEY HAD INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES?
no, jokes aside thanks for clarifying.
@@iexist.imnotjoking5700 they had inter solar missiles. they would fire missiles around the sun. it's like using the sun as a giant boomerang
"It's all about context!"
-Matt Easton
By night Matt fights crime as the masked saber master, Captain Context.
i would like to read a comic about that
I honestly never thought of the different kinds of longsword when talking about this. Some really good points you made there shad, I couldn't agree more!
SnapJelly I'm shocked! Like, wow, you not thinking of something. Can't believe it OMG!
I've never been in a sword fight.
So I wouldn't know.
Basicly the things you want are reach which allows you to hit your opponent from farther away, and then you want balance which is why there is a pommel on a longsword and a lot of europian swords. Balance is good for being able to redirect the blade after either missing a target, getting the blade blocked, or inflicting a minor wound that wont kill the target immeadeatly which is what you want. Also sharpness is important, the definition of sharpness is having a smaller cutting edge or point, and this is important because a sharper blade will deal lasting cuts faster and easier than a dull blade, and a common misconseption is that a blade dulls with time, that is wrong, a blade dulls with use.
Yes, and we real men should not contemplate to try about it. Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Just play Super Smash Bros. Mele where they made Roy's Sword of Seals, the longest sword in the game iirc, weak in the longer area for "balance." Marth's blade tip is most powerful. Link's sword is very nice with medium reach and medium strength. Nothing is more satisfying in the game than countering a super powerful attack with Roy. One time I went to a tournament with professional competitors, and I actually used Roy in my first and last time. I never won a single match but one time when I played agaisnt a pro Falco, I was on hanging on the edge of the arena, and decided to just go up normally since he probably expected me to jump or roll up. The character climbed up kind of slow, and then I countered. He did a forwards smash attack, and when he saw me counter, I noticed him reel in regret next to me in front of the TV. Falco's scream was agonizing. When the counter connected, the entire screen paused for a moment, and then Falco shout diagonally upwards with extreme speed, blasting off like team rocket in the background.
This was the most informed and thought out analysis on this I've ever seen. Excellent stuff man
One Phrase, "The right tool, for the right job."
But when forged with anime and doused with dark weeaboo magicks, you can appraise your basic level 1 katana to a level 1 katana +, making it capable of splitting the universe in twain.
Side effects may include speaking short mispronunciations of Japanese phrases, running with your hands behind your back, making hand signals, hearing AMV soundtracks at all time, and the inability to find a suitable mate, but if you have enough money you should be able to bypass this last effect.
Remember, be safe, and ask your doctor if anime is right for _your_ katana.
I didn't know the internet was won 4 months ago. My bad.
Brandon Hall I KNOW WTF
Nappa Tappa your amazing
And don't forget the background story telling and the flashbacks mid-fight.
Amazing.
Conclusion: There will always be a better longsword somewhere out there
European swords should vary more, because Japan, a singular country, has fewer cultures than an entire continent. The same as Britain has less cultures than greater Asia. Not to mention the only country Japan ever had contact with was the Netherlands. More cultures, such as the Goths, the Saxons, the Scotts, the French, the Italians, the Poles, the proto Finnic tribes, the Jews, the Turks, the Romans, the Southern Slavs, the Northern Slavs, the Portuguese, the Trojans, the Spartans, Swiss mercenaries, the Austrians, the Hungarians, the Brettons, and the Nords just to name a few, and Japan has Japan and maybe sometimes Korea.
And this has absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand, whether the katana or the long sword is the better sword.
Lenin being correct as always
@@josephnebeker7976 he is implying that the Katana didn't really evolve much from that one particular design and purpose since they were mostly against the same group of enemies, using mostly the same gear. Unlike the longsword's case, it could be implied that the variety of the longsword stemmed from the armor and swordsmanship variety of the multiple nations warring against each other.
Japan had contact with the Portuguese long before the Netherlands even showed up
not to mention china
Not to mention, both sword styles evolved based on the armours and fighting styles of both cultures. They each have their own inherent advantages and disadvantages.
Japanese swords can be used effectively against sophisticated heavy armors if done correctly. There's little difference between certain types of XVIII & XIX swords and 16th century Koto era Katanas.
I'm by no means the most knowledgeable in Japanese armored swordsmanship, but just saying.
BWA? Katanas are good against heavy armor? What?
with in ten feet and your weapon holstered your dead against a unarmed opponent, so says the police training manual. that person with a knife or a sword your dead that much faster and bloodier.
the weapon does not win the fight the fighter wins the fight. And they win the fight before it even begins 9 times out of 10
Aden YANG How the hell would a cutting blade go through even chain mail? Let alone plate? Swords were the side arms of European Warriors and they are superior to fighting Armoured Knights than a Katana would be.
Cornered Fox full plate armour is fucking heavy. Chase a samurai around I. It for a while and you’ll be tearing that gear off as fast as you can before you die of heat exhaustion. Samurais are fast and they used spears glaives and pole arms. They’ll pierce armour or get through the gaps well enough from distance. And remember. The guys in full plate can only hobble or walk. You’d die if you tried to run in metal can. And the samurai used horses too
Extreme amount of stress? Like fighting a dragon? That can happen. Right?
Or trying to deflect a pommel shot from a spandau by a pasta fuelled Italian.
NAh i got it xD !!
what about dragon? you fight dragon with lightsaber.
GuitarsRockForever no a *flying* lightsaber
Koffie Verslaafde im dying thats good
Weebs: im gonna pretend I didn't see that
Gore man? Is that you?
Does that word have an official definition?
See my video "A conquistador refutes the Metatron's video on Samurais VS Spaniards."
Since I had trained with wooden katana, I had bias towards it for a while. But I have to give it to the sword.
1. Wide cross guard is single advantage that can be a deciding factor for most.
2. Double edge of sword gives more attack versatility.
3. Sword has much better poking ability. This advantage, also, makes the weapon useful against chainmail and plate armor.
4. Sword pummel enables more technique variety and is useful against armored targets.
5. Sword typically has longer range.
6. Katana's better cutting ability is an advantage against light leather/cloth armor, however, with sword you can just opt for poking techniques to offset the disadvantage.
You can think of pretty much any scenario possible and sword will be able to perform as good or better.
7. you can throw your pommel at the enemy
The Longsword is way longer than a Katana, with Katanas maximum length being 80 cms while average longsword length is 110 cms, with max being 120
You forgot the most important thing being the pommel on the Longsword.
Without that how can you end your enemy rightly?
Even Non-European Swords can have pommels too you know.
Deus Vult, time to retake the Holy Land from the Sacarens
Wow. A Katana is weak without such a pommel.
Well, since comparing disparate things is how the internet works, what's better? A knight with a maul made of cheese or a ninja with shuriken made of toenails?
Cheese, cheese always wins.
Depends on how the toe-nails are kept together. Some kind of adhesive, such as super glue? Tied together with string? Are they weaved together?
Also, what kind of cheese? Some cheese is much too soft, and some is much too crumbly. You need a structurally sound, dense kind of cheese.
Then you'll need to add some context. Is it a duel? Are they buying groceries and racing to see who can fill their cart the fastest? What are they wearing? What are _you_ wearing...?
The only question I'll answer is the last one: a frilly brocade kimono and a pair of steel sabatons.
Much more groin kicking power on the sabatons, especially if they are gothic style sabatons, i would not want to get kicked by those pointy bastards.
***** Hypothetical situation 1: You don't want to be naked, and you only get to wear either sabatons or kimono. (I'd pick kimono)
Hypothetical 2: You're dancing, and you're prone to stepping on toes. (I'd pick kimono)
Hypothetical 3: You want to have bare feet. (Kimono)
Hypothetical 4: You really hate stubbing your toe on furniture because it really hurts. (Sabatons)
So in conclusion, 75% of the time kimono is better. This is clearly an exception to your statement.
I'd still go with the cheese-maul.
And the winner is:
The lightsaber
Gun: Seriously?
John Smith you got a point
@John Smith lightsabers can deflect bullets
SpaceRogue i mean depends on what bullets he's talking about, since blaster bolts judging by how long it takes for them to travel, are slower and harder to deflect, plus bullets don't deflect they will melt on contact. and since we aren't jedi and the only reason they are able to consistently deflect blaster bolts is due to the Force, a normal human won't be able to deflect bullets
Please Reboot Kid Icarus true but I’d still take a lightsaber over a gun
For decoration i would choose the katana, for actual combat i would choose the longsword but if i rly had to choose a weapon for an actual battle i would choose a good polearm like a halberd.
Gun
Or my bite and claws i guess
for an actual battle i would choose to run
@@mudblock9355 I mean....yes
Well according to Dark Souls, long-sword wins almost everytime. Besides katana users are filthy dex users.
True but you DO also need 40 Dex to get the most out of the DkS1 longsword.
Who is this "longsword" you speak of, there is only one arming sword in Lordran and its name is Baldur Side Sword.
You can 2-hand the balder side sword and the blade is fairly long so I'm pretty sure its a longsword. Although I was referring more to DS2 in which the longsword is a fantastic weapon and even in DS3 the longsword is still a pretty good weapon especially compared to the katana's. I meant "Dark Souls" referring the whole series generally not specifically DS1, but I think its true for that one as well.
Erik Lanister The "longsword" (darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Longsword)
Is one of the strongest "fast" weapons in the game if you have a 40/40 build (or 2H with a 27/40) and definitely out damages the swag sword (although it is shorter) and its counterpart in other souls games have indeed also been pretty strong, which one is strongest at meta level I dunno, possibly its Demon's Souls counterparts with the Crushing "infusion" and 50 Str.
In Dark Souls 1 the the Baldur Side Sword (which is a Side Sword) is a Dex weapon in the Longsword class. The generic Longsword (which is an arming sword) is a quality weapon. I wouldn't direct compare them since other then the BSS having a slightly better move set (stabbing power attacks) and a longer reach they're meant for two different builds. Not sure why you brought up 2 handing since you can two hand everything in the DS games
In Dark Souls 3 (haven't played 2, probably won't bother, from what I'm seen it's a joke) ALL Longswords are Quality weapons. At +10 the Longsword has a C in str and a D in dex and does 220 damage. The Lothric Knight Sword +10 (same moveset as the BSS) has a C in both str&dex and a damage of 206. So it mirrors Bastard Sword vs Claymore, do you want slightly more damage per hit or better power attacks.
The Katana weapons are all Dex weapons, so I'm not sure why you're trying to say the longsword is better then Chaos Blade when a Dex build isn't going to use a longsword because they aren't going over 16 strength (18 if they want to have a Sharp Washing pole as a backup).
You might not like the Katana moveset (it does have limitations) but that doesn't make it a bad weapon as you're trying to make out.
Play sekiro. The only knight you fight in the game you have to throw off a cliff because his armor prevents him from taking damage from a katana. He's literally one of the bosses. It's honestly a perfect example, and the fact the game was made in japan says a decent bit about the general consensus. It's just common sense a knight in plate armor would win with no skill or luck differences.
Oh yeah, it was weird seeing a medieval knight in medieval Japan and the fight quite makes sense because you can't inflict damage on him instead posture damage (defense damage of some sort) and then perform "deathblow" and kick him off the bridge.
True, but he would not take damage from a longsword either. Thats what maces and warhammer are for.
Oh no it am sure skill plays a part in winning a fight.
Oskar Schweitz That’s also what half-swording is for.
Oskar Schweitz But with long swords you can halfsword and use them as a battle hammer using the crossguard, Katana is completely useless against anyone in any metallic type of armour and its really bad at thrusting due to it's curve while longswords still are superb at cutting and being much faster and agile. Euro swords are just superior
It is a historical fact that the Western prosecutor defeated the Japanese samurai. Europe's war history is more intense and older than Japan's.
Due to Japanese animation and cartoons, the Japanese sword was exaggerated and its image was brainwashed.
Western swords are much stronger, more balanced, and can perform various swordsmanship.
Hi
The west also had guns.
yeah
Let us not forget that the only real documented confrontation between these two types of swords in history, was in the Philippines in the sixteenth century in a confrontation with the Wokou and the Spanish, and those pirates were totally humiliated despite having a numerical superiority.
As a japanese Im suprised to see some people have obession with this kind of comparison cuz literally nobody in my country cares about comparison between katanas and european swords. People don't need to be so insecure and desperate about weapons are not even used today, just saying.
It's just a historical discussion. It wouldn't even be that controversial except for a small group of white people who are obsessed with Japanese culture and do they say totally untrue things about western and Japanese swords. These videos are mostly just trying to answer those people.
So, you can confirm lightsabers are the best?
Oh, you will be using a weapon soon when the economy crashes and people are wanting your food in your house
People in Europe don’t care about this either it’s just Americans with too much time on their hands
That's not the point at all people are interested in swords, it's like comparing movies (of course some people are wrong and here we are).
Well, here I opened video, half expecting another d*ckslapping about "katana can cut through time&space" vs "katanas break if exposed to breeze" video (really surprised you picked such a topic) and I end up experiencing one of the most unique and explanatory "vs" video I've ever seen. Hats down, sir, and a round of applause.
I'm glad I was able to surpass your expectations ^_^
Yeah, it seems to be a trend with everything. Majority of videos about this subject (and not only this) seem to follow the recipe of "kneejerk reaction to a kneejerk reaction to a kneejerk reaction etc" pattern. Emphasized by the fact there's no "entry requirement" for having a youtube channel.
Personally, I think it's a faulty starting point in the first place, to expect that weapons in general, that are tried and used consistently - are bad.
Shadiversity I am subscribed now. Most accurate analysis ive seen on the topic sense ever
Joseph Bloom You should check scholagladiatora (Matt Easton), that guy knows about this.
And it was made out of sand
Finally, a video about this from somebody I can trust.
Thanks mate, I hope you enjoy ^_^
I certainly did. You always are good at leaving out bias.
Yeah, trully awesome! I wish you were my teacher at school :D or any school via non-audience-questioning holographic transmition
*Cringe.*
Go away thyroid boi.
Really great, accurate, and in depth analysis video well done!
Great video Shad! Love all the nuance you gave to the topic.
16:33 Yes! With any weapon or arms it's not about one being "better", it' about understanding the tactical AND strategic applications of each.
There's no 'best' weapon, only the most appropriate one. Objectively, you can get more easily what fighting quality you are searching for with a specific longsword-design. But if you were living in feudal Japan and not only had to make do with inferior steel (compared to the best Europe had to offer at that time) but also deeply rooted traditions (tsuba instead of crossguard, blade shape) and regulations (max bladelength), the Katana was obviously the more appropriate choice compared to any longsword. That's why even when feudal japanese swordsmiths got their hands on an european sword, they didn't sell it as it is but used this superior steel to forge a Katana out of it to fit into the society they had as their customers.
But you can conclude which is better overall (if all scenarios could be taken into account).
See my video refuting the Metatron on samurais VS Spaniards.
Yes, yes, YES!!! FINALLY SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!! You sir, are excellent! I've literally seen hundreds of videos comparing Longswords and Katanas, and finally, FINALLY, I've found someone who understands that katanas and Longswords are designed for different things!
The overall argument is if you had to pick either a katana or a longsword to fight someone with, which would you pick. The correct answer is longsword. While katana can do a couple things really well, those only tend to shine when you're fighting someone with another katana.
Just the fact that i can grab a longsword by the blade and use pomel and guard agains armor makes it a far better weapon!
they both are designed to kill. the only difference is that one might get stuck when trying to cut something.
Nope the correct answer is You'd pick a Katana. Yes Longswords have some advantages IF you pick a specialized one. HOWEVER, Katana's do have one huge advantage over longswords in general, It's design.
And by that i don't mean beauty or "better design". But it being a sword that is every little bit as good in cutting as it is in piercing, and it's curved designs allows it to penetrate armor more easily than a generalist kind of Longsword.
Yes, you can use a rapier or Estoc to have better thrusting potential, but then you wouldn't have a Katana's cutting power, on the same note you could have a heavier longsword designed for superior cutting power, and it would have decent thrusting power as well, but being heavier it would also be slightly slower and it wouldn't be as accurate for thrusting as a Katana would be. Also For the bigger Longswords we have a Tachi, and Nodachi also had length variation , which may compete with a two-handed sword.
Thing is, Weapons and equipment don't kill by themselves, you'd need a set of skills to fully utilize the features your weapon may have.
Also, the Japanese knew very well about European armor. They even borrowed the designs of some of them to make a new kind of set of armor. So yeah they probably did you know you had to strike at the openings instead of trying to cut the armor.
Bloody, did you watch the video and hear what he said about the curved design of a Katana and how that advantage is very minute. Also adding a little more weight to a long sword isn't going to slow it down that much to make a huge difference in combat, the long sword also provides better defense and has a longer reach at relatively the same speed. I'f i were and experience swordsmen no way i choose a Katana. The Katana and long sword are made to fight different things, end of story but if they did clash the Long sword has the advantage in reach , versatility, and defense.
Great video. What I would like to see is a comparison not on the swords themselves, but on the training and style of use between them. That, in my opinion, would make all the difference in the effectiveness of the sword.
Well done analysis Shad. I once found a video that analyzed the Katana vs. Longword cutting demonstration. It is worth mentioning that the analysis said the longsword is blunt in the demonstration.
12:00 sooo... #longswordmasterrace ?
*PC
Congratulations, you missed the joke
No I didn't. I simply reformed the original joke out of the parody joke.
What if I told you.... That you both missed the joke.
DarkWiiPlayer no #curvedswordmasterrace
the answer to all katana vs longsword video's is...
IT DEPENDS
on the user too, a group of assasins who stealthy killed an entire clan within a night? a number of footmen who are greatly armored and ready for huge war?
certainly
Katana is superior because single-edge is better than double edge. And curved is better than straight. Look at it this way, if you took your favorite long sword, whichever long sword you think is "best" you can ALWAYS make it even better by making it single-edge and giving it the katana curve.
@@Rannsack despite the fact i like katana, i don't understand your logic
@@Rannsack ok buddy
I’ve only watched a few of your videos, but I must say, I like the way you present facts and theories. Great video, as usual.
The Katana was made in a way that the Europeand had abandoned more than 1000 years before the Japanese started using it.
Thats why its superior very logic thwy used folding for getting rid of inpurities for hardness + maybe some sharpness i dont say the longsword is trash they got the down and up side its basicly for buthurt fanbois there the same but ut depends on the skill of the warrior.
Did you not watch the video. It doesn't matter how it's made, it matters how it's designed.
@@hattorii474 it wasn't superior at all.
@@redrumssam5888 stupid response.
Insulting is not gonna prove your point dude and u dont have anything to prove your point. So just deal with it
Longswords have pommels, katanas do not. Argument ended rightly!
yeah, as you can throw it at the samurai :D
Honest question, what are the benefits of pommels? Aren't they just a sort of ad-hock way you can knock people, if you happen to get close enough? I didn't think they necessarily mattered in most sword fights.
Search Half-swording. Essentially, the Pommel and cross-guard act as pressure points when the sword is leveraged from the blade end during close engagements. It's the only efficient way of dealing with a plate armored target when you only have a sword, as it allows the sword to be used similar to a war pick, war hammer, or mace and cause blunt trauma and denting to the opponent. Half-Swording also allows more nuanced and directed thrusts for gaps in the armor so that the blade end can avoid uselessly glancing off the metal exterior. Katanas cannot be used in a half-swording manner unless the curve of the blade is sufficiently reduced because the grip needs to be firm and uniform so as to avoid self-damage. Bare-handed half-swording is possible, and half-swording in combat would have the leather, mail, as well as other protective gearing between your hand and the blade. The leather, in particular, impacts this as it allows for a more stable grip on the metal.
I used to like katanas more than longswords, but I prefer a cross guard, hands are better than no hands.
Blocking with a katana is meant more for the enemy's sword to slide off the blade, so you'll always have your hands higher, with your blade pointing down, so when used correctly your hands should never be in danger.
@@KeelHeel katanas aren't really as durable as longswords, just saying.
@@noahcandy5422 I don't how whether or not that is true, but regardless, when blocking, the sword isn't meant to absorb the brunt of the impact anyway, since the other sword will slide off
Not hard to keep your hands, just practice the niten ichi-ryū sword style and your good, ie: Miyamoto Musashi the greatest swordsman in all of Japanese history, who never lost a duel out 50+ duels and created this style
Can you murder stroke with a katana? I think not. Longsword all day.
Conclusion:
The pen is mightier than the sword
(someone had to say it)
Ok..
Not in a duel, as this whole argument is based on.
@Messages In a bottle dont forget about plot armor
You can’t defend against slander, unless you can show you have the receipts, but even with proof people are willing to still believe the lie.
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11:57 Well, that is the proof that PC wins in all discussion, not only in gamer forums.
your superior knowledge of swords and explanation is amazing sir. great presentation.
best sword in history: Sokka’s space sword.
Katana : parries a full swing from a long sword
Also Katana: *my time has come*
bro the katana isn't as brittle as you think
@@spinolover124 it's edge is a lot more brittle than the longsword and it's spine is a lot softer. The katana will bend significantly or chip making it useless after a few full powered hits from a long sword sword.
However the Samurai did not use the katana in battles, they used a thicker, wider and longer sword called Tachi. A tachi can withstand more hits.
I would like to see a video comparing the 2 swords taking into account fighting style.
In my opinion Anime had a part in making Katana appear more superior than any other sword.
Tom Juraszek Anime & Hollywood makes swords in general overrated. I've watched a lot of medieval anime so yeaah the katana ain't the only sword bud. I guarantee people are only buying medieval swords because of watching game of thrones as well.
I do admit that katanas look pretty badass compared to a plain ol' longsword. But you know what they say: function over form.
It did not start with anime only, it even can be sended back to the beginning of the 20th century, where people began to take an interest in eastern culture, especially Japan. After the Meiji restoration, when the katana has stopped from being used because of the interdiction for Samurai to wear it publicly and guns replacing melee, blacksmiths were beginning to create Katana not for samurai, but for exportation as Europe was taking a likeness in those weapons that seemed much more mastercrafted and beautiful than our own swords.
So definitly if Anime might have a certain degree of maintainance in the myth that the katana is a really excellent weapon (which it is a bit, it's a very good sword but clearly not the godlike creation that completly outmatch our own swords), it's not something that appeared suddendly with anime, it can go much more far away than that.
It started way before after the end of Japan's isolation. European and American naval officers visiting Japan were amazed by the quality of japanese blades compared to their own cheap mass-produced (and by the time purely ceremonial) officer swords. Curiously after the reformations Japanese army armed their own officers with the similarly rubbish mass-produced katanas, and for the same reason - with rifles, machine-guns and artilley around the sword is purely ceremonial, so there's no point on spending money on making it good at anything but cool looks.
Tom Juraszek very true. FUCKING WEEBS
14:23
Abridged Kirito: IT'S NOT A TALWAR, IT'S AN ODACHI!
Diabel: What's the difference!?
Abridged Kirito: *Goes through a long explanation about between them without getting to the point*
Diabel: *Gets slashed*
Abridged Kirito: I was trying to say that a Nodachi is longer, giving it a better reach...
A talwar is an Indian weapon while an odachi is japanese. While both are primarily slashing weapons the talwar was mostly used for dick measuring.
Oh god xD yeah, i remember this
@@curseofgladstone4981 I thought he said dick measuring, i.e. it was a "my sword is bigger" argument
@@lukedeakin7124 probobly was.
As they said in Rapid Fire, "Don't fear the weapon, fear the man". The user makes the weapon effective or not. How they trained, how they cared for the weapon, how they use it.
Yes.
yeah.
Honestly I own both kinds of blades. Love all of them.
So... Longsword Master Race?
Yes!!
Yair Luna plastic knife master race.
No, spear masterrace
Mace master race
Drone master race.
So, summarisation. katana vs long sword
Winner : *POMMEL!*
Too much game play
Well a katana gas no pommel
End him rightly
YOU EAT BABIES!
I cast glyph of warding on my swords pommel. Later. I throw my pommel that has a charge of fireball in it.
i know it's been some time since the video was uploaded, but.. you've earned my suscription
You've also got the shape of the tip of the katana, but that is me just nitpicking.
And there isn't too much variation
How about :
A 1 handed Messer vs A Katana.
Kriegsmesser dont count as 1 handed Messer.
This sound more balanced
CROSS GUARD
@@TheSteam02 and nail
Well no see katanas can cut through the fabric of time and space therefore a messer or falchion would stand no chance against a fedora wearing weaboo
Lucifer Morningstar
You mistaking the katana for the subtle knife.
True, katana should be compared to Shamshir or Sabre.
and i expect that longswords are better for killing european dragons and wyrms while katanas fare better against long wormlike ones? what about dragons shad?
Lord Mormagor you are right! He forgot about the dragons. Shad, How could you do sutch a thing?
But what about the wyvern attack on Rorikstead?!
And for a dragon to attack Kynesgrove...why? Why there??
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!
Do you know the words wyrm and worm are related? In German for example another word for dragon is "Lindwurm" and the word for worm is "Wurm". So i think there isn't such a big difference between these two types of dragons.
So I think both sword will work fine against any kind of dragon and it would be much more important that your sword is magical.
By the way, remember to check your back of any leaves are fallen on it when you bath in the blood of the dragon.
I love this video and would love to see a comparison of full plate vs samurai armor.
Fantastic explanation, totally on point! Congratulations! 😎
Conclusion: PC master race
Conclusion console more practical
@@RuinXiii How?
@@woundedone I dont have to upgrade hardware everytime a new game comes out. Been there done that.
Valravn Xiii Really it’s completely up to the user to upgrade. You can get away without upgrading given that you have good specs that can handle high graphics settings in most games.
Obviously, you will come across many more unoptimised games on PC compared to console. But the argument about upgrading really doesn’t suffice for consoles in a sense that there are different generations of a console (such as the PS4, PS4 Slim, and PS4 Pro). While one generation of a console may have negligible differences, the other may have tried to drastically change the hardware to improve performance in games or in games in 4K (which is now quite common despite them having to cut corners such as upscaling. Another is that there is a completely new generation of consoles released every 7 or so years (PS3 to PS4 to PS5).
With a PC, that’s about the amount of time you can get away without needing an upgrade, again, provided that you have good specs to handle the games you play at a desired setting. With this new environment of even more powerful PC hardware coming out and even more competition in the market, both Intel and AMD (even Nvidia) are trying to release hardware that are extremely powerful for our needs, negating the need to upgrade often after each generation of CPUs/GPUs.
I guess the main argument is the upgrading costs and the risk of upgrading such as ESD being a problem while being unlikely.
@@RuinXiii midieval peasants...
They still exist
Im a katana guy but saying katanas are superior in quality is just a load of bull.
I say because of modern technology I'd say blade quality with both swords even out it just comes down to the swordsman
Yeah katanas are super cool
The reason why katanas were made with such complicated and difficult techniques had to do with the fact that Japan had really poor quality iron ore. This poor quality metal shattered if not folded a thousands times to spread the impurities out so that they would not cause the blade to crack.
European swords were in general made with better quality ores that did not need such a time consuming process to create a usable weapon.
European swords were designed to face European armor, which is superior to Japanese armor, in most ways.
Let me put it this way, in European armor I would willing go against a dude wearing Japanese armor and armed with a katana, using nothing more than a roundel. And I am pretty certain I would win after taking a couple of strikes, which would do little except make a racket.
The long-sword in the ice cutting video looked to be about as good at cutting as an estoc style long-sword (estoc longswords can't really cut as they can't be sharpened along the edge due to the flat rhomboid geometry, but are very stiff and excellent at stabbing.), except it was far to flexible to be an estoc.
Swords are not meant for cutting through metal. The katana is more likely to break itself than pierce through armor. Just like someone can be the greatest shot in the world but his bullet happens to hit a bulletproof vest. It is not skill, but physics that kills people.
TehKaiser .. Yea imagine having to develop a skill over years of training so you can defend yourself from a medieval madman with a sword perfectly. Then an idiot with a gun pulls a trigger a bunch of times and kills you. Yea you're right skill is dumb tbh
one question when you increase the curve of a katana does it become faster
No. Speed is most affected by the balance and weight of the sword.
When I compare the two swords by size, I think: the argument should really be either longsword vs odachi or arming sword vs katana.
An arming sword is a dedicated one-handed weapon while a Katana is two-handed one though.
@@junetalon8796 Explain Leonardo from TMNT then.
@@David-ud9ju Uh.... it's a mutated human sized turtle?
@@David-ud9ju Weren't those Ninjatos he used?
The better blade is the one that...
... strikes the unprepared oponent in the back.
*unsheathes katana*
*teleports behind you*
nothing personnel kid
*personal
The better blade is tungsten and dropped from orbit.
DynamicWorlds tungsten is brittle.
Stepfan Jefferies But it is so dense that dropping it from orbit won't melt it before it drops.
When you have more options with a weapon, it gives you more possibilities to end the fight in your favor.
But what if you dont have the right variation, what if you needed a good stabbing blade when you only have one made primarily made for slashing? You cant just hold 100 diffrent swords with you thats nonsense
Yea and the Katana has Shikai and Bankai
Shad brings it here. As always, solid points well presented.
I like your calming work there and it helped me to improve my story and taletelling and realism withhin my roleplaying games. Also... now we got 5 Playstations. :)
i'd still take a lightsaber
even Kylo Ren's? XD
Yeah, the completely impractical plasma sword that would be just as dangerous to the wielder as it is to the opponent.
You parry lightsaber with sword and they cut right through your block, you parry sword with lightsaber and the top half of the sword hits you in the head and knocks you out, then they would get a free short sword in the process xd
I'd take a gun.
I raise you a mini gun.
TL;DR, the comparison doesn’t make sense because long-swords have too many variations
And yet any one of the variations is a superior self defense weapon to the katana.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 But katanas arent made for defence, there strictly slashing based wepons, there made to quickly end a person with a chop, the problem with this argument is not only are they very diffrently made wepons with diffrent purposes, they were made for completely diffrent combat styles and idk why he dosent go over that in the video
@@reggilad_9043 Have you seen actual kendo in practice? It looks like saber fencing. The one slash bullshit is from samurai movies, much like the western quick draw. And a katana is strictly a side arm. A backup weapon for when things arnt going to plan. A nodachi might have some use against a horseman as a sort of piddly spear with an edge, but its not exactly comperable to a greatsword with a 2m long blade.
I need no channel youtube! Ok a nodachi was at its core a long sword two samurai mainly used pole arms spears blunt weapons bow and arrow and guns. Two there is know one touch element of kendo it’s full on sparring the same with saber fencing it is full on sparring also QuickDraw was a thing for self defense because the one faster to the draw is going to shoot and kill the opponent also both would be on horse more than likely so it would depend on who was better
@@wendyandmiketerell997 No. The quickdraw one touch thing comes from kurosava movies. Its about as fake as western 'duels'.
This is really interesting, remembering that it is a comparison of the LONGSWORD and KATANA I'd love to see full comparisons of all Asian swords compared to its European equivalents. Like Nodatchi and there after.
Tbh I only came here to read the comment section
Be careful, it can become a guilty pleasure.
I'm a simple man. I like katanas but I like longswords and other european swords more. Nothing more to it.
and I like both but I like katana more but everyone hates when I say I like katana more, man people are just too hateful
@Ναζωραῖος the true winner is clearly a pommel
goedendag say what i dare you
@@voltgaming2213 its the people that say that a katana is the “magic destroy everything sword,” that most people don’t like.
@Zero nah, it’s the hit hard armor and snap in half sword.
It pains me because I'm a katana fanboy , but yes, that makes sense. Excellent job
@@thermite1277 you don't know what a weeb is do you
@@thermite1277 a bad one then
@@thermite1277 now you're just trying too hard, let's just leave it shan't we
Filthy weeb
@@maurycy_gnc WEEB!
What is the best? Katana or longsword?
Answer? Spears
One motivated spear user can deal with 3 equally skilled sword users
Eh... when you start talking numbers, the difference that skill/experience (and/or just how capable they are of logical thought in the moment, which honestly might not be that high in a life or death scenario with your adrenaline purposefully suppressing that part of your brain) makes an enormous difference. By way of example a spear user, no matter how skilled they are, can't defend from an attack on two opposing sides simultaneously. Their ability to defend against two opponents therefore depends on how well they're thinking about this, and how able they are to keep both opponents relatively in the same area in front of them. That will also depend on how well the two swordsman are able to comprehend this fact, communicate it, and encircle the spearman. When you start talking 3+ people however, unless you're in a hallway or spear wall or somewhere where they can only come at you from the front, or exceptionally low skill/experience on all sides, the spearman is at a severe disadvantage.
That's not to say the guys with swords would all survive, but at least one (and probably two) of the three would. Of course when you start talking multiple people, such as the spear wall or such, battlefield strategies/tactics kick in and complicate this. After all the Roman legions beat the Greek phalanx, and it wasn't because the (relatively short) gladius is universally superior to the spear. Of course that in itself is far more complicated, but so is history and combat.
What type of long sword would you take up against a standard katana?
My conclusion is the P.C. Is the better sword
Especially when its under a lot of stress😂
Yeah the gtx 1080 is great at tearing those wannabe knights to shreds
Onyl if it's razor. It's razor sharp
YoU cLeArLy HaVeN’t PlAyEd GoOgLe’S sTaDiA
Comparing a katana to a longsword is about the same as comparing a Iphone to an Android. The Iphone tends to have a specific design because only one company makes it, kind of like only japan made the Katana. But with Android phones there is an enormous amount of variation because there are many companies that use it, like the variation in long swords through Europe. Somewhere in the mix there will be an Android phone that will be better in certain aspects. Of course I don't really care, a swords two primary jobs are to kill and wound. They were both proficient in that. Just like both phones are proficient at calling. It really seems to just be up to personal preference.
Largely you're right, it greatly has to do to personal preference. But there's also context, one should always consider context. The variation of the prefered weapon will usually be decided by what the person expects to face.
Well in terms of overall capabilities, there's not too much difference between certain types of XVIII & XIX Longswords and 16th century Koto era Katanas. Both of which were used extensively in heavily armored contexts.
But the style of swordsmanship will influence how effectively one can fight with each sword. For instance, European swordsmen used to Longswords will find enlarged crosshilts very useful, in both unarmored and armored fighting - while a Kenjutsu practitioner likely won't. (it will get in his/her way of style of fighting.).
A Kenjutsu practitioner will know how to use the Katana's curved, assymetric single-edged blade to his/her advantage, in parrying attacks away or augmenting thrusting efficiency - while the Longsword practitioner won't.
It also depends a lot on which weapon the practitioner is used to.
Could it be said that in a more civilian context the aesthetic aspect would also be considered? After all swords were as much a symbol of status as they were self-defense weapons.
ROG41 that's a good point. Actually, we see one prominent example of this among Longswords, especially between type XVI and XVIII swords.
XVI and XVIII are both fairly well balanced and capable swords, both popular throughout the late Medieval ages. The main difference is that XVIII tend to have stiffer (and sometimes thicker/broader) blades, that can be very useful in delivering cuts and thrusts in battlefield contexts. However, they also tend to be more heavier due to this.
A XVI sword is very similar to the XVI, but it trades stiffness for the sake of weight. (it has a fuller in the middle, opposed to XVIII swords). Which may somewhat reduce cutting and thrusting ability against tougher targets by a little, but it makes the XVI lighter and more nimble. Which is essential for everyday carry and dueling/self defense.
Cornered Fox Japanese mail is nothing like modern costume mail in terms of strength. That's a fact. There's an enormous variety among Japanese Kusari armor types, so it's very hard to generalize their overall capabilities.
And Japanese artworks are quite unreliable for determining historically accurate armor. Especially during the 14-16th century. (Artwork often depicts people wearing older-fashioned armors.). Western Europeans weren't the only ones with sophisticated heavy armors.
Regardless of whether Katana or Longsword is superior, they have 1 commonality:
Both are hand-crafted weapons, so if the blacksmith is bad, no superiority in design can make up for it.
Swords are best weapon unless enemy wears an armor
@@ilikeballs9140 bring a gun, preferably load AP
@@leehongjin6884
or bring explosives in general
it's gonna scatter their insides just fine.... 😊
11:54 PC Master Race coming through: move apart, dirty console peasants.
What a journey to end the katana rightly
The longsword has a pommel.
Why is this even an argument?
@Jeremy G. Rainthong No. Wrong. Please don't be stupid. czcams.com/video/vi757-7XD94/video.html
@@JohnnyWishbone85 ended him rightly, that pommel did. lmao
Forahna
Pommel-attached Katana
*god what have i made*
It comes down to the style of use and the armor it used against. A katana does a pommel called a Fuchi. But it is decorative not functional. A pommel strike against an armored head is very effective. Try the same with a fuchi. It's not as effective. So yes it a point to make.
the pommel penetrates armor
eu adorei o video, ele tem informações que eu nunca pensei em considerar, tipo os varios tipos de espadas longas que existe, a diferença entre ter um lado cortante ou dois, entre outras informações muito interessantes e cruciais para a comparação mais apropriada, justa e correta possivel desses dois tipos de armas
Very holistic point of view.Excellent video👍🏽