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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex Review the extremely tense Civil War! What happens when America goes to war against itself, again! Our thoughts on this INTENSE and provocative film!
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Ron Swanson’s a dictator!? This movie is truly the darkest Parks & Recreation timeline.
Leslie Knope - war criminal
@@willroberts3991 Imagine a Days of Future Past cover with the Parks & Rec cast. 😂
Ron Swanson as President and dictator?? I think you mean the BEST timeline….
But he hates government
Offerman thinks that people won't recognize him just because he dyed his hair grey and not wearing that stupid mustache
You know it’s a fantasy film when Texas and California are on the same side.
Well I suspect neither would care for a third term president.
Actually Austin and California are way more alike then youd think..
@@combatwombat2134^😂
The whole point was to avoid politicizing the movie. It was more about “war in America” with the catalyst being a shitty president so bad that TX and CA would team up against him
@@commanderkei9537 Nah, they just changed it so that people would think they didn’t just make a far left fever dream. Check the early maps they released. Cali and Texas weren’t a “team”.
OJ: Im more american than he is!
Alex: Not by volume.
🤣
Other joe couldn’t be more right
🤣🤣
Alex spitting FIRE.
@@novaprime2297 Alex is a dweeb
whos more American Mexican heritage or Europeans background ?
“I’m a meat popsicle“
No finer words exist
I have the shiniest meat bicycle
Lilu Dallas Multipass
Ah, Borderlands and the Fifth Element - two of my favorites!
"SMOKE YOOOUUU!!!"
"Wrong answer..."
Joe: What kind of American?
OJ: Anglo-Saxon.
🤣 🤣
I'm a dumb American can I go now?
@@bluejayfan5584Yes. You can go. Can't get any more American than that.
It wasn't a movie. It was the longest Ford Excursion commercial ever.
Hey that truck deserves it.
Yea that truck was cool 😎 although on the chase scene they went "we are not going to outrun them on this"
Joe recently discovered the word harrowing and he’s fucking stoked about it.
Hopefully he learns that it's pronounced like arrow rather than morrow.
@@emperorlelouch8515 Hopefully he'll learn it tomarrow
Trust in the alogorithm.
Joe, just a slight critique for reviews. I think you should start showing OJ’s and Alex’s ratings along side yours. Or at least an average of the three. It just seems like, regardless of what they rate it, your rating is the only one that matters. It’s the AngryJoe show of course, but if they’re participating, let them…participate 😅.
Agreed, take the average of the 3
I wouldn't do an average, they all have different viewpoints so it would dilute the individuals scores, but yeah just put all 3 scores up there so people who have similar tastes to either OJ, Alex or AJ can decide.
But then Joe wouldn’t be able to overrate terrible shows for views D:
It’s the AngryJoeShow dumbass. They participate plenty by being given his platform to voice their opinions. Angry Joe’s opinion is the only that matters because it’s his show. That’s why we’re all here watching the show.
Don't they say their scores in the video? Do we need a visual component?
Take a drink every time Joe mispronounced the word “harrowing”.
instant 💀
A very horrowing drinking game
Thank you my G 🙏🏼
Not surprised.
this made me chuckle XD
A line from Schindlers List that has always stuck with me is “War brings out the worst in people. Never the good. Always the bad. ALWAYS the bad!” I feel that it applies very much in Civil War.
War makes good people better and bad people worse.
It's pure survival. The training is just to stop you from getting stunned locked mid fight.
Remember Germany did this at the start of the war they divided all groups. Regardless how we feel for each other divided we are lost. Don't be a sucker
@@werpe2121 It makes good people dead.
Couldnt agree more. This is the point of the film in my opinion. Getting hung up on tactical decisions during action scenes is missing the whole point.
There's a really thought provoking part of Civil War where Lee is talking about how she hoped the war stories she covered and sent back to the US would be seen as things not to do. She hoped those stories would show people how not to act.
And yet here they were.
My interpretation of Lee was that in subtle ways she started to desire to really live again, and enjoy a more regular life. It's subtle.. the wearing of the dress, her comments on the town, the way she stared at the flowers during the sniper scene, etc. I think she wasn't scared in the final battle because she was cracking under mental pressure, but because she wanted to live and therefore the risk became all too real to her again.
I don’t think she wanted to die at any point she was just weary of life or to be more clear she was weary of death and violence. She’s a war correspondent that knows that showing the truth is important but she feels that she failed to warn them enough to prevent the current war. She sees the young girl with the vim and vigor to take the images that need to be seen. She knows the road ahead is hard and doesn’t want that future for her. When she realizes that the girl won’t be stopped she tries to help her eventually leading to her sacrifice.
I had no idea which side was which, what they were fighting for, or why they were fighting in the first place, but I guess that was partially the point
That was entirely the point.
@@vaporwave4880no, it was just a poorly written movie. The movie revolves around the PRESS, the main people who would know what's going on and why.
@@johnnylove2073 the press DO know what’s going on, it’s just not communicated to the audience. Because it’s irrelevant to the films message. That’s good writing.
@@vaporwave4880 that is perhaps the DUMBEST take I've ever heard
@@johnnylove2073 It is a cautionary tale about "civil war", or just "war", _in the general case_ , it is not, and is not trying to be, about some potentially realistic civil war scenario in our actual timeline. This is not hard to understand. It has just enough grounding so it's clear it's in a pseudo-realistic modern timeline that's closely related to where we are, while being vague enough so that no real American political faction can mouthbreathingly point at it and go "see! other side bad! this movie is propaganda against other side!".
The real magic trick is that Garland kept it vague while _also_ not engaging in BothSidesism. Doesn't use the word Democrat or Republican once and, other than pointing to some _obvious_ actions that _would_ be potential lead ups to such a scenario ("dissolving the FBI", "third presidential term") it steers clear of direct commentary on current American politics entirely. If you, dear viewer, happen to notice that some real-world political figure has also expressed similar such desires (for dissolving departments and/or installing themselves as god-king for life) then perhaps have a think about _why those are bad things_ instead of mouthbreathingly pointing at the film and accusing it of taking sides.
i think the best part of the movie is that they clearly show that there are absolutely no rules in a civil war. Criminals strung up tortured and killed, unarmed, captured and injured soldiers getting executed, innocent civilians getting killed. it’s very accurate as to what the brutality of a civil war actually is
*war. Not just civil wars. Just because Americans don't do these things in the wars we fight today doesn't mean this isn't rampant around the globe. We're sheltered.
@@josephpayton7522beat me to it
@@josephpayton7522also Americans do that shit. You just don’t hear about it.
@@funkrobot9762 some Americans have. Not the same, dumdum.
@@funkrobot9762 Yep. Nobody thinks *their* army does these things, but if we were all correct about that then it'd never happen. Clearly, happens all the time. Kinda of a hard pill to swallow when you first realise this
Jesse Plemons is one of the best "psychopath" actors in the world. Not saying he can't convey emotion, but damn can he make you believe he'll kill you without a second thought.
My first time seeing him was CSI, and then next time I really noticed him was Breaking Bad; cold as ice.
“This guy is your colleague? … that guy?”
Film: sides do not matter, in a war, civilians suffer
America: hey? Why my side not win?
lol true
There are no sides
@@AngryDad. lul wut?
@@functionatthejunction the people in power dont care about left or right... religious or not.. pro or anti abortion...
they care about money/power... they want you to stay just stupid enough to not get it.. but just smart enough so you can work for them untill you are 60
@@fonkyman Only one party does those thing, yes I mean I get you want to say both do but the facts just dont support that.
the sound mix in an Imax theater is insane, those shots will make you jump.
Dolby was just as insane I’m sure. I was actually shook at the “what kind of American” scene because of how hard hitting the sounds were for the gun fire.
@@KidKingdomHearts only thing I can compare it to was the sound mix in Dunkirk.
I went to see it in DBox. Pretty cool experience. I had people behind me consuming popcorn like a vacuum though. Thankfully the movie got louder lol.
same effect in non imax
Na i like to watch my movies at the alamo draft house… way better experience
It's annoying when Joe doesn't like that OJ and Alex don't agree with him and dismisses their opinions.
Agree
Disagree
God forbid differing opinions exist. It gets pretty tiresome
We are just apes. The tribalistic mindset is unavoidable. But heres the thing. Alex often disagrees and are more critical than OJ and AJ. So kinda balances out
@@odinulveson9101 that's not the point, maybe if Alex responded in kind then it wouldn't be annoying but it seems to be a one way street
"Orange sunglasses" ok... One of us has color issues because those glasses are fucking pink.
Maybe your local cinema needs to fix its projectors because the last colour on Earth those glasses are is _pink_
@@johnnypopstarno actually the glasses looked blue to me 😂
They're not orange and they're not pink, they are red. I saw the movie in a Dolby theater and the glasses were red. Watching the trailer on my TV confirms this.
Yall are both colorblind lol glasses be red bruv
Looked RED to me but the angle of the sun shining on them actually made them kind of distracting from the scene. Was more focused on trying to figure out the color of those glasses than what was going on. Would have been more effective if they were just ordinary dark-lensed glasses, but maybe they were GREEN??
Wait Spider-man doesn’t show up in the airport???
I love Spider-Man
“My hearts still beating”
You don’t say Joe!?
I thought it was extremely anticlimactic and unrealistic.
You never even see any meth addicts cutting off Catalytic converters on any of the cars
Like bro they really drove 900+ miles without anyone trying to steal their running truck filled with gas lol
Ya I felt the same way, not a single street lined with garbage, shit and tents. So unrealistic I couldn't even get into it.
@@nathanwho1384 they thought if they showed a JCPenney it would be real enough for us
It wasn’t realistic at all. Felt comically. In reality you’d see a bunch of invasions from foreign powers that took advantage of a broken US government.
@@InQuickWeTrustbecause they never stopped long enough for anyone to do that
Opening scene with suicide bomber leading to no audio was perfectly done..my theater was so dead silent you could hear a pin drop
38:50 - There actually is a reason why Jessie steps in to the line of fire. The movie tells us that reason, subtly but unmistakenly. Jessie decides to cross the hallway because that is what Lee was doing before. She was trying to follow her lead. Lee did that crossing the hallway manouver couple of times during the raid and Jesse saw that. The problem is Lee knew when to do it (notice non of the soldiers scream at Lee) because she's clearly done this before, She's been to wars, she's seen sh....t in her life as fronline journalist. Lee knew what she was doing. Jessie on the other hand was jus walking into the line of fire without any thought (just adrenaline driven newby behavior - and soldiers discipline her all the time). We also can deduce that Lee actually knew what she was doing from the fact that the second Jesse steps out from the cover , Lee immidiatly knows she f...ed up. And runs to grab her. So yes Jessie acts stupid, but she acts stupid trying to be like Lee, not realizing that what Lee is doing is actually calculated and trained behaviour. And not just stepping into the line of fire without thought. Lee on the other hand in that moment lost her cool and detachment (she also just had a breakdown before the white hous raid - and before that, she deletes the picture of Sammys body representing the change in her). Because normally she would just take her camera and took a picture of Jessie being shot. But she got in the line of fire for Jessie (She also grew protective of the girl). And instead Jessie takes the picture of Lee's death, the very thing Lee would do up until this point. You guys watched the White house shoutout from the militaristic point of view and missed all of that. Because that scene really wasnt about the gun fight, The whole final act was about Lee's change, and Jessie's change. Lee changing from i have to take the picture no matter what to - not taking the picture in order to save someone. And Jessie changing from, should i take the picture and not help? To i should take the picture no matter what.
facts
Oh my god, you actually payed attentioned??
Sounds dumb
@@AngryDad. It's not, but the execution is. She just pushes her down and proceeds to stand there. She doesn't even try to stay down with Jessie, or at least move out the way: she literally just stands there.
@@Cundbecause she immediately got shot. You can see in the background that as Lee pushed her down the Secret Service were about to fire
Leaving a harrowing comment on this harrowing review created by harrowing reviewers.
What a profoundly harrowing response
When people say "this film is absurd, Texas and California together is absurd", considering that in the real world the US and USSR made a pragmatic alliance less than 100 years ago to defeat Nazism in World War II, I don't know if it's a diagnosis that American society is in fact very divided, or that basic history education is very bad
I feel like he has a Word of the Day calendar and today’s word was “harrowing.” 🤦🏻
Dudes also color blind apparently cuz those sun glasses were obviously red … like bright blood red. Not orange.
Is harrowing considered an obscure word?
"Anglo-Saxon" lmaooo I'm dead
Also W.A.S.P. which stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️he knew the assignment
@@Black-And-WhiteWorldview8488never knew that’s what that meant
@@angelgjr1999 Now you know
I agree with Alex (under the 10 min mark specifically). There was not enough context to get me interested in the characters or the war for that matter but not just for the first half but a majority of not all of the film for me personally 😭
Thought the characters development was pretty on point, all the characters were distinctive and we could see what was driving them.
The Hawaiian shirt dudes are a reference to the boogaloo boys
Ah good catch...thought their clothes were a bit overtly silly for portraying a plainclothes militia but now it makes sense haha
Yeah, how did they missed that. Those guys are wellknown
Its amazing how cluesless, either by lack of knowledge or trying to hide it, Joes is about pieces of this movie and what they symbolize.
Yeah hes angry joe not intelligent joe LOL
Yes, so many thigs flew over thieir heads it is actually amazing. Not to be misunderstood I love to AJ and the guys and have a great laugh with them most the times. but man this one was painfull to watch.
@telfer3388 Meanwhile neither of you make an attempt to actually explain what you're referring to 🤷♂️
Not even a single example
@@joshuameadows4922 Example. The guys are saying that in the final raid Jessie acts stupid and for no reason steps out of cover. When in fact there is a reason. It;s just not explained by exposition but is shown through charactesa actions and careful editing. The reason Jesse steps out from her cover to take a picture is because she wants to be like Lee. How do we know that? Besides The whole journey where there are hints sprinkled throught the movie. In this scene alone We can see that Lee is getting out of cover by crossing the hallways in order to take the picture. Jessie sees that and tries to be like Lee. What she does not understad is that Lee knows what she's doing and knows when to make her move. Why do we know that ? because movie tells us that Lee is cold and calculating and extremly experienced in this kind of thing by her reporting on numerous coflicts throught out her life. Jessie on the other hand is a newby and mimick's Lee's action but not understandng that what Lee is doing is calculated and Jessie just steps out to the open driven by adrenaline and just being reckless. One hint is the fact that none of the soldiers scream at Lee but Jessie in being constatnly disciplined by the soldiers not to get in line of fire. So there is a reason why Jessie steps out. the reason is, She wants to be like Lee.
@@telfer3388 Perfect explanation, and I have no arguments. I just think if you're going to call someone out and tell them they're wrong then you should at least explain why.
So thank you for typing all that out and also not being rude
Today's America is Yugoslavia in the 90s.
That is an interesting take.
where are you from?
@@Mir4 not the soon to break up, America
Thanks angry joe for actually understanding the point of the movie. Something most of the “professional critics” missed.
There are so many mouthbreathers in these comments (fairly par-for-the-course on an AJ video, sadly) that _also_ missed it, so I want to extend some thanks to *you* too, fellow commenter, for adding some sanity to this comment section
The best part was when spiderman arrived
It's pizza time!
Spider man would put sand in the presidents eye
Spider-Mans gonna fix that damn door
especially when captain America got hit in the head by ANTIFA
Joe, i completely disagree the whole film lacks any real context for any of the 'seriousness' to have any weight and graboty behind it and it just makes the forced "look photographing all the atrocities and how brutal things are" feel so disingeniuous. Also as a vet, lemme tell you no journalist would ever be up a units ass like that let alone drag them around the battle.
You mean trained and battle-hardened soldiers don't follow and take orders from journalists during a fire-fight?
Good sir, I think Hollywood knows better than you /sarcasm
@@tacitus6384 Obviously, they have more money than me. 😂
In this case they made it clear why the Western Forces wanted the press along so much; it was stated at three points which I thought was well done, since each instance made it clearer what the agenda was. We actually do get a lot of context in the film for what happened, but it's distributed in various comments. We know there was the Western Forces, the New People's Army, the Florida Alliance and the Loyalist States. We learn about some of the trigger events that likely caused the fractures as well.
@@JeffNyman one off comments do not really provide enough unfortunately. Its the inverse of the expression seeing the 'forest for the trees', you see one or two trees but somehow miss theres a vast jungle behind it. Unfortunately this isn't dark souls, films cannot sprinkle 3 bread crumbs of context and expect the viewer to know the story. This is the problem i have with a lot of a24's films, some are pretty well done but others feign artistry when its really halfbaked drama. Not the worst thing I've seen, characters aren't bad or anything but w/o a solid narrative or a way to ground you in reality its just hollow.
Right? That was driving me crazy watching the movie. These absolute randos show up to these real conflicts where people are killing each other to photograph everything, and I’m just like “You’re not helping. You’re just extra bodies that these people now have to worry about and protect, and you’re literally getting in the way, and they’re just totally okay with all of this.” It was so insane.
Those gunshots were insane. Made me jump a few times. The dolby theatre I was in was getting near 100 decibels
I never felt the tactics were an issue because, in my mind, I figured that things would be more guerilla and chaotic in this setting. This movie also clearly has the bones of Apocalypse Now and they did something similar. It serves thematic purpose imo.
I think "the Winter Soldier" was better 😅
Figures. Super hero fan. Smh
I think if Joe actually let Alex speak we'd have gotten a more accurate Final Verdict from him.
No, Alex is a moron.
Texas and California on the same side? This is definitely a fantasy movie.
No really as the federal Gov literally wants to control both sides and is doing Intel warfare to achieve it IRL.
what you expect from a british director who has a cable tv news understanding of american politics.
@@absurdh3rohe’s definitely more educated than you are! Cali and Texas have a huge
Military presence!! Ofcourse they would unite to fight off a fascist 3 term president! Or let me
Guess you’re perfectly fine with presidents keeping themselves in power?
@@Nightshade1881I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they're on board with it if it's a certain person that they're more than ok with.
@@Cund if we are talking so it current real life politics nope
I don’t pledge allegiance to the current or last idiot. They both were my presidents and I criticized and gave them credit when due.
But we are definitely talking about a fictional movie right? A movie that upset yall because it didn’t mention politics 🤣
H-ah-rrowing? Just learn that one recently?
Distracted me a bit.
Good review
I thought it was brilliant. It reminds me of a realistic Christopher Nolan movie with hints of an Apocalypse Now style mission. The music took me to the post Vietnam Era.
Many wanted to know the cause of the war but the context of the war is not important. Most Americans (except the naive) know how this could happen.
I’m glad u enjoyed it but this is the first movie in my life I’ve seen where I fully burst out laughing in the theatre due to the stupidity of a certain scene at the very end, I’m sure u can guess which one
Did Joe just learn the word harrowing today or something. You can totally play the take a drink game.
Everyone is gay except me
I was too late you got here first now I’m gay
Damn , need to tell my wife. This is crazy
straight is a spectrum
Super gay.
fuck
The movie is politically neutral to a british liberal.
Correct.
It’s obvious the president was trump. Lol
@@angelgjr1999how?
@@angelgjr1999no it wasn’t. Ffs stop with the trump victimisation complex.
I saw this coming, and even having never seen it, I just have a hard time believing a political movie like this can be made unbiasely at this current time in history. So I'm looking for more details to know just how badly annoyed I'll be watching it.
The ending... yeah. It just was like they didn't know how to end it so they just killed someone off and tried to make it more metaphorical than it should have been.
It just didn’t work
The ending pulls the rug
I hated it
For anyone with a historical mindset, however, the ending image is thematic. It's the whole basis of iconic war photography, which is why the last scene is shown as a photograph.
Yup. I was okay with the rest of the movie. Like, it had me legitimately angry because I couldn’t stand most of the characters, but I thought that was the point. I thought they were supposed to be unlikable because something was going to be done with them later on. And then the ending happens and it just feels like it wasted anything they could’ve actually done with the characters.
The ending felt Tarantino-ish to me.
That's why I also gave it a 7 (same as Alex). It would've been at least a 9 if it didn't end in a thud.
I don’t think the Hawaiian shirt guys were apart of a faction. I think we have “two” civil wars going on here.
One civil war is the federal government versus the established Western Forces and Florida Alliance.
The other civil war is the average citizens forming small bands of resistance exploiting the fractured federal government and just acting rogue.
Are you American Joe?
Lmao
No, he's Angry Joe.
no he's a democrat
@@ArchangelExile No he's an angry joe...
Well he's not Samoa Joe
Did you just spoil the ending in the first three minutes of the video?!
Possibly
No
No, but possibly
I wasn't impressed with this movie.
I found the background of what is going on more interesting the plot.
I also don't know how this was tagged action epic / action.
Jesse threw me off, maybe I'm just getting old, I just kept thinking, 23, she looks more like 13 (which is wild since she was actually 23 when this was filmed) its just she looks too young to play that age (ironically)
Alex's point is mainly my core criticism. There isn't enough about the characters or about the events to make me satisfied with them movie.
I also find the behavior of the journalists to be a little too excessive, it doesn't fit how they actually are. To the point they are literally charging in ahead of the soldiers, doesn't really fit. This isn't just front line journalism, its front of the front. I don't think breach squad will have 50% of their squad made up of idiots with cameras.
No one checks on Lee when she's hit (she was wearing a vest too) President is cornered, so he isn't going anywhere.
No reflection on Jesse that she got Lee killed.
Military listens to a random journalist over their orders.
Also, ignoring the bunker was moronic. Literally, he cannot be prevented from getting to it. You access it IN the White House. Its fully equipped, he would be in there the moment the enemy to DC. Its fully equipped, food, logistics, even broadcast.
Great Points
I felt exactly the same
I was a little bored tbh
Yeah, the bunker is a standout issue but it's also one they likely had to ignore for plotting purposes. As far as Jesse not reflecting, that was entirely the point. She barely looked back at her. They were showing the dehumanizing that Lee had felt now "transferred" to Jesse. Regarding the press going in so closely with the soldiers, yeah. It's kind of a balancing act. This is a movie, after all. You sort of have to bring the audience along with the main characters. But it's also the case that the Western Forces dialogue at a few points made it quite clear why they wanted the press along for the assault.
I agree. Jesse turned into an adrenaline junkie. Lee had a meltdown, which was never addressed, sadly. They didn't wear helmets like their journalist counterparts... The ending was messy.
Lee's death was foreshadowed earlier, so I knew she wasn't going to make it, but how she stood there in the line of fire was so goofy. I get it, save Jesse but save yourself, too.
The movie had nothing to do with Civil War, per se. The war was in the background. There could have just as well been an alien invasion.
I don't think you understood the movie. And, I believe you were expecting something more inline with John Wick, where action is constantly dangled in front of your face like keys.
The press/war photographers are doing exactly what they do in reality. They do jump in front of stuff, and, yes! They do expire.
I enjoyed the characters! They felt real, they actually reacted to d*ath, unlike most movies where such a serious thing is typically glazed over with little to sometimes absolutely no thought.
I'm an action junkie. I absolutely love watching people fight, and try to beat each other in combat! But, with the action taking a backseat in this film, I found that to be really effective. Guns going off have weight behind them. It's loud, it's scary.
A breath of fresh air!
@@ShaneyBright Yeah, if this was a TV series I would have felt like I either missed episodes or they had to rush to finish it because they didn't get renewed for a second season.
Just remember a press pass is a magic talisman that allows you to flit from one horrific death scene to another unscathed.
I mean did you watch the movie? Plenty of the press died.
Feels like rather than a 2 hour show, this should be a massive HBO show over several seasons. This would BE HUGE!
Hawaiian shirts are pretty direct reference to the boogaloo boys. I think you guys lack the knowledge to make any conclusions here.
Garland's mentioning nothing of the sort in any interviews, but he _did_ write this back in 2020 when they were still a prominent thing in news cycles, so it could be
@@johnnypopstaryou would have to be so dense to not make a conclusion that he is referencing the proud boys
@@lawl9414 but proud boys notably wore black polos with gold trim.
How didnt they know that? Those guys are wellknown
That's still a think? I thought by 2024 this would be considered passe.
"What kind of American?"
Wagner Moura character
"South American? I mean "New World as America"
as a good leftist that he is, he would definitely vote for Biden.
I think he meant South American as in the southeast United States. Kinda dumb but then again he was playing a hillbilly maniac
13:45 There are plenty of conservatives in California that despise Gavin Newsom. And the conservatives are often the ones who have guns. California is a very big state. This wouldn't be impossible to happen.
Plenty of Texan women, doctors, hackerss and drone pilots are very Liberal for obvious reasons
The one thing about the movie is that it's kinda clear that Garland doesn't really know much about American politics. Hell, his interview recently more or less proved it.
Considering the amount of US politics that we here in Ireland and Britain grow up with, it's a bit rich saying that he doesn't know much about American politics. One of the first things that American ex-pats abroad typically say is that they didn't realise how little they knew about America until they left it, closely followed by commenting on how much - and how broad - international coverage of US politics there is out here in the Everywhere Else On The Planet.
@@vercoda9997 no, but he's right. The movie is exciting, but it is wholly ignorant of American society. This movie is pure fantasy. An exciting fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless.
Don’t think this movie was based on current US politics! 🤣 you do realize it’s fantasy? A US in a whole different universe
They have their own political BS going on that wasn’t even mentioned
But yall definitely wanted your current favorite political party mentioned huh
@@deenaprice1524 Jesus christ people. It is not "ignorant" of American politics, it's DELIBERATELY obfuscating the root cause of the civil war as depicted in the movie so it CAN'T be used by any real-world faction to beat the other over the head with. This demonstrates a very competent understanding of the US political landscape. He's trying to make a cautionary tale that can be viewed by as many people as possible, and he's succeeded... although there's still the weirdo group of people such as you two who can't understand that he's done this, can't detach from reality, can't realise this movie is about *A* civil war that _might_ happen in _some_ America and not *THE* civil war that _could_ happen in _real_ America. Come on. Join us at the adults' table. I promise it's fun up here.
@@johnnypopstar succeeded? Competent? Cautionary tale? No, lol! The ONLY way to enjoy this film is to detach from reality. That's how far away it is from understanding American society. Alex Garland said it himself that he had picked a side, and it was obvious. There were too many crumbs to follow. You would have to be outing yourself as a non-American to come away with your conclusion.
Is It anything like the comics?
It's "harrowing", not "horrowing".
Let's not have a Civil War over this.
LOL
How does a film about journalists on a journey say NOTHING about journalism and how it’s likely how we’ll get OR avoid a civil war?
at least there is a few people that understand the irony of this ridiculous propaganda movie.
@@somfpleaseso what’s the propaganda? That war brings out the worst in people?
Obviously you’re either too dense OR you just get your opinions from everyone else. Watch the film. The characters don’t need to literally tell you what they think about journalism. Let the film speak.
@@Nightshade1881they don’t have a good answer, because they don’t know what they are talking about.
they are meant as a framing device, but it's such a badly written film because it's meant to push a political narrative. The writers don't let basic facts or even their own setting get in their way of that narrative.
journalism still exists....? Truly a work of fiction
Hornets nest
29:00 there was a crack. She deleted a picture of her dead colleague a few mins ago, so, she “lost it”
Joe you really gotta stop spouting “military tactics”, like you actually understand military tactics. Strategy games do not make you a tactician.
Or being Texan. 😂
Wait .. it don't? .. crap.
Hahaha foreal I was thinking the same thing
Being a Pog doesn't either
Thank God the other two pushed back on Joe about this movie. Absolutely STUPID decisions by characters throughout, HORRIBLE MUSIC choices for certain scenes, NO IN DEPTH STORY, terrible ending. This movie gets a 5 from me, at the highest. The only scene I really liked was with the dude in the shades and all the bodies. Could've been SO MUCH better. I gotta say, I've agreed with Joe on nearly every game review of his, but to me he often misses the mark on movies. This movie was complete MID.
> HORRIBLE MUSIC choices for certain scenes
The juxtaposition of upbeat '70s/'80s pop music with the harrowing visuals was there _specifically_ and _deliberately_ to feel jarring and make you feel uneasy. It was the entire point. So, perhaps you didn't realise it, but your discomfort was Garland's efforts actually working.
@@johnnypopstar discomfort is not even close to the right word. Let me here you defend the absolute STUPIDITY of the switching vehicles through the window at high speeds scene now? Since you seem determined to defend this complete waste of time and money....
@@johnnypopstar you all over this thread arguing for this craptastic A24 offering....you don't happen to work for them do you? How old are you? I imagine if I was 13 I would've enjoyed this more.
@@johnnylove2073 a child who can't understand deliberately odd choices in films trying to accuse someone else of being 13. Beautiful.
@@johnnypopstar I bet you think bad games are making "deliberate" choices too? Not just that some game designers/writers suck?
Kind of reminds me of the comic DMZ, which is about a fresh-faced journalist (basically an intern) being thrust into the middle of a conflict between government forces and a coalition of militias that has taken over New York.
Every time Joe says Harrowing take a drink.
The small arms combat was actually very accurate. I think it captured the attempt to control the chaos very well.
I get that we'd probably be seeing a lot more tech/artillery at play, but my head cannon was that this being Washington DC, the WF likely wanted to preserve the infrastructure to the best of their ability. There is a lot of American history and culture in DC, and I imagine they wouldn't want to just level the city while trying to reclaim it. I feel like that's a highly realistic scenario, so it was easy for me to suspend disbelief there.
Why didn’t the president just go into his bunker and wait it all out? This movie is stupid.
“Stoppppp! Lyingggg to people I am going to THROW myself out a WINDOWWW!”
"Not by volume" that's some quick wit right there, much appreciated.
Did we watch the same movie? I would have rather stayed home and watch Children of Men.. this was Civil Chore almost Civil Bore
Awesome movie
this was definitely a better ‘children of men’
Let me
Guess your favorite political party didn’t make an appearance?
@@Nightshade1881they didn't nake it political
@@AngryDad. nope they didn’t
No politics were mentioned
God i loved the part when the movie ended! It was such a relief!
Joe sees the bogolo boys.
Joe: oh it’s the California forces! They’re cool! Lol
They are pretty cool though ngl
I saw the image of one character trying to get from one car into another in the trailer and thought it was an intense chase/action sequence, instead it was just the characters being stupid with other journalists that were following them. And the "What kind of American?" line was such a bait and switch.
When was Joe in the military?
When he was playing call of duty for a review
He larps
He wasn't, he just plays games and therefore understands real life military tactics. Like respawning.
@@sosayweall2509😂
@@gavinpowell4607haha
All of this makes me very nervous. Are some people really thinking about starting a civil war when (not if) the orange man wins 😮
The Orange man would need to take some additional steps. States would definitely assert more rights. The West Coast could very easily shrug off odd mandates.
He was already there for 4 years. Was there a civil war? No so calm down lefty. Trump 2024
As someone else said in comments, I think Joe should include OJ and Alex's ratings on screen as well. We all have different opinions and they're your friends at the end of the day. Don't just dismiss theirs. Make them feel more involved
Could have AJ x/10 OJx/10 Alex x/10
On screen. Something small goes a long way
Yep or the average of all 3
OJ: Anglo-Saxon
*press x to doubt*
The guys with Hawaiian shirts were Boogaloo Boys. The question of what kind of American refers to "blank"-American.
America having a second civil war has always been and will be a matter of when not if it'll happen.
It's almost like America needs an enemy to stop them from destroying itself. After the cold war Russia wanted to stop fighting and America just said no. They need someone to hate otherwise they hate themselves.
Not a chance. No states are united enough, separate enough, it powerful enough. In the mid 19th century, trains were the only thing connecting the vast distances. Now jets can cross America in 2 hours.
There is zero chance of a civil war happening. You're either ignorant or fear mongering to say otherwise.
Yeah no, it will never happen
Given the immense power we've handed our government an actual civil.wsr would be over in hours
It’ll never happen. Atleast not anytime soon. People forget the president has nukes…
i think Joes word of the day is "Harrowing"
00:14 - Fifth Element reference nice one Alex !
The only think that pet peeves me was the sound of the 30mm cannon on the Apache helicopter toward the end lmao
Joe spends his time on his knees for movies like this. Alex brings facts. Knowing the characters are stupid for half of the film lets me know to save my money.
Well I mean, Joe is media literate and Alex is so media illterate and stupid that he doesn't know what a metaphor is or how a "dumb decision" in a movie says something about the core theme. But go off, lets make sure all our characters are perfect and have no flaws because movies are just a robotic excercise in watching people do shit correctly.
Love Wagner Moura. He played Pablo Escobar in Narcos. Hope to see him in more American films.
He was Death/Wolf in Puss in Boots the last wish
You should watch Elite Squad 1 & 2
I think towards the end with the presidential limo, trying to escape was not only a ruse… But a woman who’s very nicely dressed, gets out and gets shot immediately. I think it’s implied that it may have been the president’s wife trying to escape desperately.
Don't take that thing outside, Joe. The cops might think you have an actual grenade launcher, lol. 💥
28 days later was Danny Boyle ? I think ?
Boyle directed but Alex Garland wrote it.
Was everybody fooled by that trailer except me. I knew right away what kind of movie this was going to be. I warned my friends not to expect a lot of action. But they didn't listen and they were disappointed
I have informed the president, your medal is on its way to you as we speak.
*pat pat* on the back
Good job, you are very smart and you told us so, you are a winner champ, gold star.
We were given an incomplete puzzle
Love you guys!! Your dynamic rocks in reviews and otherwise. Once again the start of the review put up a smile for me. Thanks!!
Why does Joe say Harrowing so weird
hawaiian shirts is boogaloo boys.
I appreciate the consistency!
AJ: "What kind of American ?"
OJ: "Anglo-Saxon"
I thought this was fantastic. I think keeping the details of the war secret made it more fascinating. None of it matters. What matters is how it affects civilians caught in the crossfire.
I was expecting an All-Out Balls to the Wall Red Dawn Style War Film
Sadly I didn’t get that
It’s well crafted but falls way short of the mark
And the Ending was Honestly Horrendous it’s quite literally like they ran out of ideas or funding 3/10 for me
They couldn’t do that type of film because that would require a clear good/bad guy and since we know this is Hollywood we know who’d be the bad guy. Movie would probably bomb. 😂
@@zombieshoot4318 honestly you make valid point but the trailer presents a whole different film
@@ghostwolf1435 trailers often present a different story.
@@ghostwolf1435it’s A24.. what did you expect? I’m glad it wasn’t a balls to the wall war film.. I tend to find those boring.
@@zombieshoot4318 the ones who usually deserve it
Ooooo when the president said "don't kill me" instantly threw me back to the car wash scene they're only there to watch and document not make decisions
"Anglo saxon" YOU WHAT?????
My IQ is plummeting
Angry Joe: are you American?
Other Joe: Yes
Angry Joe: what kind of American
Other Joe: Native American!
I thought the most tense part was when they rolled up to the Christmas village. And they just stop and you know it's not going to be good. That one had me on edge even more than Red sunglasses man
Imax sound was incredible!