The Bland, the Edgy, and the Glittery | TBWB Eclipse Review Part 4

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  • At long last, Jasper, the Silent Psychopath, gets some definition. And we also break down Jacob's character arc through the series so far, using psychology!
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    0:00 The Unused Graduation
    1:55 Obligatory Training Arc
    4:06 Jasper's Backstory
    10:08 Bella's "Anxiety"
    14:09 The Mountaintop
    17:06 Jacob's Abusive Arc
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  • @GriffinPilgrim
    @GriffinPilgrim Před 3 lety +965

    Myers somehow managed to create two duelling abusive relationships with literal monsters and claims them both as romantic. That's almost impressive.

    • @Pontificate
      @Pontificate Před 3 lety +47

      She manages to fuck up so much it seems like she did it intentionally.

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +8

      @@Pontificate ever notice how the people who have problems with these abusive relationships in romance novels are rarely women
      Edit: its hilarious how defensive women get when you point this out

    • @kaleallerion595
      @kaleallerion595 Před 3 lety +63

      @@jackhazardous4008 Did you ever notice that the ya section of romance is saturated with abusive romance so girls are desensitized to it and learn that it's "normal"

    • @mischr13
      @mischr13 Před 3 lety +37

      @@jackhazardous4008 what THE FUCK are you talking about? do you know how many women have talked about how awful the relationships in this series are?

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +2

      @@mischr13 almost every single woman i know over 30 has a bookshelf containing 50 shades of grey, twilight, or one of those other rapey romance novels

  • @mllemystery
    @mllemystery Před 3 lety +983

    "Overly analytical critic who endures the worst stories for his audience's entertainment" And we're very grateful Krimson, you're doing God's work

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +188

      I do what I can.

    • @robertpalumbo9089
      @robertpalumbo9089 Před 3 lety +18

      Onion boy 's 4th book

    • @Wired_User
      @Wired_User Před 3 lety +17

      @@robertpalumbo9089 He wrote another one???

    • @vivixios
      @vivixios Před 3 lety +10

      @@Wired_User It looks purposefully bad unlike the others

    • @Wired_User
      @Wired_User Před 3 lety +12

      @@vivixios That’s still not good

  • @thejohnhopkinscompany9599
    @thejohnhopkinscompany9599 Před 3 lety +316

    Poor Brick, he deserved better.
    One like equals one prayer for Brick.

  • @trinaq
    @trinaq Před 3 lety +814

    Honestly, Jasper's backstory of leading a vampire army, and being manipulated by Maria, the vampire who turned him, into doing her biding, is FAR more compelling than the love triangle nonsense we were forced to sit through!

    • @lanterns_glow
      @lanterns_glow Před 3 lety +157

      All the side characters are more interesting than the love triangle

    • @Xehanort10
      @Xehanort10 Před 3 lety +109

      That's a big problem with Twilight. Stuff people might be interested in is glossed over but shit no one cares about is the centre of the story.

    • @sugarm1860
      @sugarm1860 Před 3 lety +52

      @@Xehanort10 actually, that would be a great series- a love triangle with a compelling plot, while the backstories of the side characters get explored in the process. One book focuses on one character, the next book another, etc. It can still focus on the main story while enriching the world and the ups and downs of each characters’ unique circumstances

    • @williamtimonen6814
      @williamtimonen6814 Před 3 lety +32

      @@lanterns_glow LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM

    • @roserose109
      @roserose109 Před 3 lety +22

      Rosalie's story is a better story also

  • @cierrasagacious7881
    @cierrasagacious7881 Před 3 lety +595

    What's crazy about Stephanie Meyer's writing on Jacob is that she killed his character BECAUSE she failed to make Bella or Edward compelling. In terms of the love triangle, Jacob was supposed to be the antithesis to Edward. But Meyers clearly didn't realize that makes Edward look worse, not better. So she had to kill his character to make Edward look better by comparison.

    • @humanstandssans2484
      @humanstandssans2484 Před 3 lety +30

      Instead of making him a villain, all she did was prove she's a dumbass.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 Před 3 lety +1

      I don't know if that was ever confirmed.

    • @madamefluffy4788
      @madamefluffy4788 Před 3 lety +43

      @@fightingmedialounge519 I think the confirmation comes from the fact that the readers/fans were rooting more for Bella/Jacob than Bella/Edward.
      Hence Jacob's character assassination in later novels.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 Před 3 lety +1

      @@madamefluffy4788 that's not eveidence so much as speculation in attempt to justify such a counter productive writting decision.

    • @cocolime6496
      @cocolime6496 Před 3 lety +29

      see from my perspective, Meyer saw how popular Jacob had become and so deliberately tried to make him a more compelling romantic rival in her eyes - which in reality means making him a possessive douchebag like Edward. it's been a long time since I've read her interviews but I got the impression that she actually prefers eclipse!jacob

  • @sugarm1860
    @sugarm1860 Před 3 lety +581

    Even more proof the graduation speech is unrealistic: My Class President made her speech all about how far she came and thanking everyone. She even thanked her dog.

    • @bioticjedi3864
      @bioticjedi3864 Před 3 lety +38

      God I don't even remember mine, was on my phone, then snuck out once I got my diploma

    • @TheHiddenDirector
      @TheHiddenDirector Před 3 lety +59

      My Class President made a presentation about the Dos and Don'ts of Post-High School Life for his speech, and it was extremely entertaining. Sometimes I feel like my high school existed in a parallel universe.

    • @puli_dreadhead
      @puli_dreadhead Před 3 lety +20

      All I remember from my graduation was that my dad showed up late and got lost. If Bella’s dad did that it shows that he tries and really cares while trying to track down the “bear” attacks.

    • @James_Wisniewski
      @James_Wisniewski Před 3 lety +4

      I don't even remember what my year's valedictorian said, and my high school graduation was barely 7 years ago.

    • @loonardtheloonard
      @loonardtheloonard Před 3 lety +8

      We didn't even have speech. Our curator just congratulated us with overly complicated version of "to be continued" and the best part I remember is that it was really nice outside
      It was 4 years ago

  • @Chibbanee
    @Chibbanee Před 3 lety +189

    the amazing work ethic you have to go out of your way to find a dress to wear fits your size just to imagine how Jasper is storytelling in a small skit (chefs kiss)

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +79

      What can I say? I love my craft.

    • @jkseraphim4
      @jkseraphim4 Před 3 lety +36

      @@KrimsonRogue You look very adorable.

  • @joethehero2
    @joethehero2 Před 3 lety +315

    *hugs the brick* It's okay Brick. I feel for you...

    • @JohnDoe-uf3lj
      @JohnDoe-uf3lj Před 3 lety +18

      This holiday season, you will believe a brick can cry...

    • @genericusername7959
      @genericusername7959 Před 3 lety +35

      I have to admit, I'm kinda curious about Brick's backstory now... Why the divorce and the job loss? Are they related? Brick is presented as a sympathetic character, but these events could also be the result of character flaws, which Brick must learn to overcome through arduous events and self-reflection.

    • @bioticjedi3864
      @bioticjedi3864 Před 3 lety +20

      Now I want Krimson to write a story about brick, I have many questions about it's life

    • @august1837
      @august1837 Před 3 lety +24

      I don’t know what Krimson was talking about. I’d definitely care about the brick

    • @jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets
      @jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets Před 3 lety +3

      @@bioticjedi3864 it all started going to shit when brick had a little crack.

  • @charxthekoopaking5673
    @charxthekoopaking5673 Před 3 lety +390

    I feel like an idiot for never noticing how abusive Jacob is until you had to spell it out for me. Thank you for that Rouge.

    • @lindseystein9676
      @lindseystein9676 Před 3 lety +53

      To be fair, Edward shows abusive tendencies from the start and Jacob kind of progresses into it

    • @staceyann1180
      @staceyann1180 Před 3 lety +25

      And both the book and movie paint J&E monsters as heroic and romantic.

    • @possummagic3571
      @possummagic3571 Před 3 lety +2

      If you didn't notice it maybe it wasn't AS bad as people are making it out to be.

    • @JeromeViolist
      @JeromeViolist Před 3 lety +33

      Most of us liked the Jacob of New Moon for most of that book, he seemed so much better than Ed. Then Meyer realized that so many people liked him better and had to assassinate his character.

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +9

      @@JeromeViolist Count me in that club. I actually liked New Moon Jacob (barring that last scene or two). I was so damn salty when Meyer character assassinated him. And I'm still really upset about it, damn it.

  • @Scheherazade-pr4jt
    @Scheherazade-pr4jt Před 3 lety +64

    I also find it incredibly disturbing that Jacob actually more or less threatens SUICIDE if Bella doesn't give him what he wants, which seems like another abuse tactic, basically making the victim responsible for the abuser's emotional baggage and telling them it'll be the victim's fault if the abuser comes to any harm, thereby forcing the victim to give in out of guilt and fear. If Jacob seriously means to get himself killed because a girl is friendzoning him, that's disturbingly obsessive or he's lying to emotionally manipulate Bella which is just...YIKES.

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety +1

      Edward conforms that Jacob is lying. Bella was just stupid enough to fall for it.
      That's the funny thing about that scene... both Bella and Jacob are trying to manipulate each other. Bella is using Jacobs feeling for her to essentially try and seduce him into not going in the battle. And Jacob, with complete understanding of that, is using that to get a kiss out of her. Really they're both being horrible to the point you can't feel sorry for either.

  • @ThePopcornFairy
    @ThePopcornFairy Před 3 lety +141

    "Some patients can't be saved, but that burden's not on you
    Don't ever let anyone tell you you deserve that"
    ~The Antlers, "Wake"

  • @LoveTrueMusic1
    @LoveTrueMusic1 Před 3 lety +225

    Thank you so much for including a hotline specifically for the Deaf. It is a very small community with different cultural values and attributes from the larger hearing society, and I would imagine that struggling to communicate with people outside the community would make it all the more difficult to leave an abusive partner

  • @sophieknowles4876
    @sophieknowles4876 Před 3 lety +195

    Not going to lie, I loved that entire 'Jacob's Abusive Arc' section. It was an excellent explanation of how messed up he is, and it really hit home for me. Thanks for giving me another reason to avoid these books and these movies at all cost, Krimson!

  • @nanaya7e433
    @nanaya7e433 Před 3 lety +102

    As someone who regularly empathises with inanimate objects, I feel offended that you'd put them in the same category as Bella.

    • @august1837
      @august1837 Před 3 lety +5

      Yeah he did the poor brick a disservice

  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 Před 3 lety +358

    Bella wanting to become a vampire might have been interesting if she had understandable reasons like being frightened of dying instead of a shallow "I don't want to be old and wrinkly while you stay the same Edward."

    • @TheHiddenDirector
      @TheHiddenDirector Před 3 lety +71

      Honestly, I think a good fix for it would've been if the bite she endured in the first book was slowly killing her, and her being afraid. She thinks that being a vampire would be the perfect solution. Dying, but not having to actually die.
      And to give it the conflict of arguments against it, actually GIVING THE VAMPIRES NEGATIVE QUALITIES TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT DEBATABLE.

    • @Xehanort10
      @Xehanort10 Před 3 lety +42

      @@TheHiddenDirector Yeah in other vampire series there are good and bad parts to being a vampire. Thirst for blood, the sun, human people you might care about dying around you, the fact that some vampires get bored with immortality and want to die and so on. But there's no downside to being one in Twilight and Twilight's vampires are all too OP.

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +18

      Has Bella even been established as a vain character, or is this an Empress Theresa moment of "women don't mind dying if they're still pretty"?

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +29

      @@jackhazardous4008 If Bella were vain and condescending about her appearance or even narcissistic as a whole, that would actually give her a character and also a motivation to stick by vampires, want to become one, yet still stay in contact with Jacob and the wolves in the process. But nope, she's a blank self-insert. Really should have stayed as VampireXReader fanfiction.

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +15

      @@zaramikazuki8374 she would be a better character if she was a petty selfish high school mean girl, and it would even give her room to change into a less shallow person through the series

  • @laurenking5114
    @laurenking5114 Před 3 lety +64

    Oh Brick-kun, he's going through such a tough time right now;;; I can hardly hold back my tears;;;

  • @madamefluffy4788
    @madamefluffy4788 Před 3 lety +226

    I believe Jacob's behavior is very much the 'wolf pack' mindset - Jacob's threatening Tyler (?) because he saw him as competition for Bella's affections, Sam and Emily's backstory, one of the other 'wolves' rage morphing when Bella slapped him, the pack warning Bella not to stare at Emily's hideous scars because it may upset Sam and Quill's refusal to leave his two year old child bride's side (as well as Jacob's later refusing to part from an equally infantile Renesmee's side) are all evidence that the entire pack are possessive/obsessive/abusive/controlling monsters. And because they all share a psychic link; they all enable each other's behavior.
    And all of it the author tries to paint as the perfect love - that a woman a 'wolf' imprinted on could refuse, but wouldn't want to, because - according to the author when asked about imprinting - 'who could refuse such devotion?'
    Meyer's needs serious mental help.

    • @roserose109
      @roserose109 Před 3 lety +39

      some people's yandere fanfics shouldn't make it to mainstream media tbh

    • @CoolG97
      @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +39

      From what I can tell from the lore it's less enabling and more because Imprinting literally strips the wolves of their free will and makes so they can't live without them. (Still very wrong and horrifying either way, Meyer really has control issues.)
      Meyer accidentally made being a wolf more of a living Hell than being undead in this series because once you shifted your life isn't your own anymore and you never even get a choice.

    • @madamefluffy4788
      @madamefluffy4788 Před 3 lety +22

      @@CoolG97 I corrected my initial statement - as, you're right. It's less enabling the actions they do and more justifying them because they can't fight against it.
      'We can't help ourselves; it's a wolf thing!'
      Which is a true statement; but, like you had said, it doesn't make it right. It's just really infuriating when the author and her devoted fans perform so many mental gymnastics in order to paint the whole thing as 'soul mates/true love' when it's nowhere near the sort.

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +23

      @@roserose109 For real. Don't get me wrong, I love and certainly have a guilty pleasure in dark fics. But they should 100% be recognized as the very harmful things that they are and stay wholly in the fanfic world. Or actually... I can even accept these concepts being presented in the mainstream media, if those concepts are treated as the very negative ideas that they actually are, and made very clear to the audience and absolutely not romanticized at all.

    • @ArCSelkie37
      @ArCSelkie37 Před 3 lety +15

      @@madamefluffy4788 Honestly... the whole imprinting thing could be an interesting premise, with a better writer. Like someone imprinting against their own will to someone and being so completely devoted to them, i know it doesn't make them subservient, but what if they imprinted on someone evil? Would they be willing to turn them in or fight against them? or would they begrudgingly help. Or even with the fact they imprint on a child... how about showing some actual reluctance and conflict within that character rather than "its a wolf thing".

  • @RoryThePanda
    @RoryThePanda Před 3 lety +167

    One thing I've never understood is that Jasper was supposed to be the "youngest" of the Cullens (the alleged reason why he tried to attack Bella in New Moon, "because he was still a youngling and couldn't control his bloodlust" or something), but he was a confederate soldier, which would make him older than Edward

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +124

      Relative timeline.
      They're referring to Jasper as the youngest because he was the last one of them to adopt the "vegetarian" lifestyle.

    • @RoryThePanda
      @RoryThePanda Před 3 lety +37

      It still seems like a weak plot device but still, thanks for clearing that up.

    • @Sancyria
      @Sancyria Před 3 lety +14

      I've been wondering this since this stupid movie came out

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety +9

      He's not the youngest. He's just the newest to the vegetarian lifestyle.
      Also, I think it's possible that because Jasper is an empath he might have had greater trouble controlling his blood lust in New Moon. If everyone else suddenly felt like eating Bella, that could have hit him harder. Thats pure head canon of course.

  • @devent10n
    @devent10n Před 3 lety +98

    The only thing I remember from my graduation is actually from the rehearsal, and it was the girl behind me whining about how it was taking so long. While the teacher in charge kept stopping while people talked. So I finally turned around and yelled at her, "Nobody wants to be here! If you shut up, we'll get done sooner!"
    She stopped talking, as did most of the others, so it worked, and we were able to actually get through the rehearsal without too many other stops.

    • @cjkalandek996
      @cjkalandek996 Před 3 lety +23

      Only things I remember about my graduation was that it was fucking hot and that when my name was called, my dad told me he screamed "YEAH!" and I think my sister said "I volunteer as tribute" or she contemplated doing so.

    • @angelikaskoroszyn8495
      @angelikaskoroszyn8495 Před 3 lety +2

      Which brings a very interesting question: why people organise it year after a year?

    • @cjkalandek996
      @cjkalandek996 Před 3 lety +3

      @@angelikaskoroszyn8495 maybe because there are high school seniors every year?

    • @Author.Noelle.Alexandria
      @Author.Noelle.Alexandria Před 3 lety +2

      Graduations are so incredibly boring. You know they’re bad when even the people graduating rarely want to be there.

    • @Author.Noelle.Alexandria
      @Author.Noelle.Alexandria Před 3 lety +2

      @@cjkalandek996 Yes, but no one enjoys them, and even the graduates often don’t want to be there either.

  • @causticwit
    @causticwit Před 3 lety +61

    My heart skipped a beat when I realized that the piano instrumental playing during the Cycle of Abuse section is "As Long As He Needs Me."
    And then that clip from the movie "Oliver!"
    Bill Sikes and Nancy are a fine example of how to properly frame an abusive relationship.

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +24

      Credit for both of those go to the editor. :)

    • @causticwit
      @causticwit Před 3 lety +4

      @@KrimsonRogue It's perfect!

  • @RachelAnnPotter
    @RachelAnnPotter Před 3 lety +29

    "This set up is so toxic it should have been set in New Jersey" 😳😂👌

  • @j.tgrooms
    @j.tgrooms Před 3 lety +96

    It's a book early, but it's funny that the last battle in this series was a DELUSION!!!

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq Před 3 lety +10

      I know, imagine building up tension all for an epic final battle that never actually occurs! 😤

    • @Xehanort10
      @Xehanort10 Před 3 lety +18

      Fitting for this series then. "You think you'll be getting a good, badass final fight? You're delusional." Great metaphor for Twilight as a whole that.

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 Před 3 lety +4

      *an illusion actually.

    • @liamhb7656
      @liamhb7656 Před 3 lety +12

      only in the movies. in the books, the climax is just people talking as contrivance after contrivance prevents the volturi from wiping the cullens out

    • @bobtheflyingmonkey
      @bobtheflyingmonkey Před 2 lety +1

      @@seekingabsolution1907 You missed the joke. I’ve attached a clip of the reference they are making.
      czcams.com/video/YGAmXMi4PSU/video.html

  • @WolfEntertainment
    @WolfEntertainment Před 3 lety +37

    *sniff sniff* That poor brick. So much turmoil, and yet...it just looks like another brick in a wall. A compelling character just from the blandest design.

  • @justalittlesprout
    @justalittlesprout Před 3 lety +32

    My coworker today: ‘Yeah, im going to get all of the Twilight covers tattooed on me’
    Me, having watched all the past krimson videos: ‘Uhh are you okay? 👁👄👁’

  • @Remoniq
    @Remoniq Před 3 lety +45

    "Why are you wearing a dress!?"
    "It makes my eyes look pretty."

  • @anathemat-002
    @anathemat-002 Před 3 lety +159

    This is the only video series that I have legitimately been excited to immediately click on when I see the notification.
    This was enough to tear me from Monster Hunter Rise. Take my admiration dammit.

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq Před 3 lety +4

      Me too, I never thought that I would be THIS excited for a Twilight related video before!

    • @abigailc8829
      @abigailc8829 Před 3 lety +4

      @@trinaq The only Twilight video that's actually good

    • @victoriashevlin8587
      @victoriashevlin8587 Před 3 lety

      I really enjoy these videos from Book Jesus. He truly is suffering for our sins (entertainment). I also love Amanda the Jedi losing her mind over them, and Dominic Noble going into full on despair in their videos too.

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +1

      @@abigailc8829 In addition to Krimson's review series, I also have a soft spot for Hannah Lee Kidder's Twilight rewrite. She started off by rewording the first book for editing reasons... then somehow transformed into her writing the books with new and better concepts, making it a better story overall. It's really fun to watch her thought process and edits. And of course, Dominic Noble's Twilight Saga reviews are also genuinely amazing.

    • @abigailc8829
      @abigailc8829 Před 3 lety

      @@zaramikazuki8374 Ooh, I'll have to check those out sometime.

  • @shakespeare6749
    @shakespeare6749 Před 3 lety +55

    The real issue is that Stephenie herself doesn't recognize the toxicity that Jake's behaviour embodies. I just don't get how Bella can accept that this abuser will treat her own daughter well after the way he's acted towards her. Not to mention how much the whole thing reeks. Yike. Kinda like Woody Allen and Soon Yi, except they had a choice. Also, this whole movie's colour grading is off

  • @Tbm998
    @Tbm998 Před 3 lety +83

    22:29 alas we do know for a fact that even if you do imprint on someone, you can hurt them... because otherwise Emily wouldn’t be walking around with a scarred face

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +63

      Yeah, but I'm saving that for a larger rant against imprinting in the Breaking Dawn review. XD

    • @angelsartandgaming
      @angelsartandgaming Před 3 lety +28

      @@KrimsonRogue I for one cannot WAIT for the imprinting rant. That's gonna be so good honestly.

    • @psychokinrazalon
      @psychokinrazalon Před 3 lety +8

      @@KrimsonRogue It might serve you well to point out that Twihards aren’t looking at this series with anything deeper than a surface level critical eye. That’s why stuff like imprinting doesn’t inspire revulsion, because they’re not using their brains to think about any deeper implications.

    • @Tbm998
      @Tbm998 Před 3 lety +12

      @@KrimsonRogue Fair enough, I sense it's going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOONG rant... especially given how it crops up around Emily, her abusive boyfriend Sam, and the most "why did you even write this character if you were going to mishandle and misuse them so badly" character i've seen in a good while... Leah.

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +2

      @@KrimsonRogue Oh boy, I know an imprinting rant was inevitable and figured you were saving it for the most notorious case in Breaking Dawn, despite the two terrible cases (in Emily and Claire) already present in Eclipse. I'm definitely looking forward to that!

  • @annehelatrix4627
    @annehelatrix4627 Před 3 lety +86

    " Why are you wearing a dress?!" These are the questions that need to be asked 😂

    • @bioticjedi3864
      @bioticjedi3864 Před 3 lety +7

      He looked good in blue lol

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +1

      For sure... though Krimson looked damn good in that dress with his hair down in that femme style, lol

    • @annehelatrix4627
      @annehelatrix4627 Před 3 lety +2

      He does look good! I'm jealous

  • @vampireassassin4750
    @vampireassassin4750 Před 3 lety +34

    At 11:33 why did every western movie I ever watched before come to mind and I literally yelled "giddy up wolfy" to my tablet
    On a side note my sister is now looking at me like I am crazy

  • @Author.Noelle.Alexandria
    @Author.Noelle.Alexandria Před 3 lety +22

    The section titled “Jacob’s Abusive Arc” nearly made me cry because the song “As Long As He Needs Me” is so incredibly heartbreaking . For those who don’t know, that’s from Oliver, and Nancy is being abused by her boyfriend, Bill Sikes, as in, it’s so bad that a lot of actors who’ve played Bill get uncomfortable. it’s not at all sugar-coated. But it’s not gratuitous. He ends up killing her. In this song, it’s like she says, as long as he needs her. Well, at last as long as she believes he does. It shows the mindset of an abuse victim so well that, as someone who went through that myself, it just cuts deep. Under other circumstances, it could almost be a genuine love song, and indeed, from her to him, it is, and she just can’t see what’s really happening.
    The original musical film version: czcams.com/video/TkXQqYa0wrwn/video.html The cuts from another movie used when talking about Jacob is from this movie.

  • @CoolG97
    @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +85

    Fun fact the original plan for the series was to jump directly from Twilight to Forever Dawn, so if all Bella's high school stuff in NM and here feels like filler that's because it is.
    Edit-Also filler-ANYTHING involving the wolves apparently they were originally just going to show up to kill Vicky in the end of FD.

    • @veronicabaranowski6976
      @veronicabaranowski6976 Před 3 lety +2

      I feel like that would have been a better book series than what we were delivered.

    • @CoolG97
      @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +3

      @@veronicabaranowski6976 It cuts out all of New Moon and Eclipse, Vicky actually does something that impacts the story and even Laurent gets a character arc. (He's the only vampire I honestly like in this series.)
      Also problem is the infamous Imprinting is still in it.

    • @SnoFitzroy
      @SnoFitzroy Před 2 lety

      Don't you mean Breaking Dawn? Or did she release Book 5 an no one brought it up?

    • @CoolG97
      @CoolG97 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SnoFitzroy No, the original title of the sequel was "Forever Dawn".

  • @OmegaTheSillyWolf
    @OmegaTheSillyWolf Před 3 lety +54

    Honestly as someone whose been in a couple abusive/manipulative relationships (not just romantic) sometimes it legitimately goes over my head. Which I KNOW is bad but I really didn't see the full scope of Jacob's manipulation until you spelled it out. I know that sexual assault was wrong and I wasn't a fan of him for that.. but now I'm questioning his behavior as well and I think I would've fallen for his manipulation as well had I been Bella 🤷🏼‍♀️
    It just becomes so normalized that any abuse afterwards, it's not picked up on. And it's not good to normalize that but that's just show how I'm a lot more susceptible to people like that.
    Abusers are more likely to abuse again but sometimes the survivors are also more likely to be abused again. It's why we have to learn tell tale signs of it before it gets bad.

    • @TheHiddenDirector
      @TheHiddenDirector Před 3 lety +15

      I unfortunately have a friend who ended up in much the same situation. It started with her parents, and moved on to every guy she dated. She just gravitated towards abuse because it was so normal for her. The pattern of her reading reflects that as well. All of the books she reads normalizes it as well.

    • @saphirawinters7028
      @saphirawinters7028 Před 3 lety +6

      Same here. Mine was mentally and emotionally abusive.

  • @thomasdeckerstudios2650
    @thomasdeckerstudios2650 Před 3 lety +64

    What I remeber from my high school graduation is everyone being plugged into their phones while I was sitting there looking pretty. God it sucked.

  • @kazghost
    @kazghost Před 3 lety +39

    If Jaspers ability is to control people's emotions, doesn't that mean he the potential to become the monster from bird box.

    • @talmiz101
      @talmiz101 Před 3 lety

      hmm...what's a Birdbox? i really don't know so.....

    • @CoolG97
      @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +8

      @@talmiz101 Birdbox monster makes people go crazy and kill themselves just by looking at it.

    • @talmiz101
      @talmiz101 Před 3 lety +5

      @@CoolG97 thank you for answering, have a wonderfully epic week.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 3 lety

      @@CoolG97 isn’t Bird box a show?😅

    • @fantamousess3202
      @fantamousess3202 Před 3 lety

      @@gracekim25 book & movie

  • @psychokinrazalon
    @psychokinrazalon Před 3 lety +27

    The only thing I remember from my high school graduation was not wanting to be there and instead playing games at home.

  • @beeknees6707
    @beeknees6707 Před 3 lety +129

    Now wait a minute, (movie) Jasper- the vampire who can sense and control emotions, couldn't tell Maria wasn't actually in love with him? How does that work, lol.

    • @rebeccavaughn8897
      @rebeccavaughn8897 Před 3 lety +57

      Logical explanation: We believe what we want to believe, and considering he was afraid she would kill him, he knew deep down that it wasn’t truly love.
      Actual explanation: She didn’t bother to think any of it through because Jasper didn’t actually matter to her as a person/character.

    • @angelikaskoroszyn8495
      @angelikaskoroszyn8495 Před 3 lety +25

      My headcanon: she did "love" him but her feelings were so twisted that the relatively young vamipire was unable to recognize her toxicity
      But that would ruin the whole "love fixes everything" narrative

    • @hayleybartek8643
      @hayleybartek8643 Před 3 lety +14

      Perhaps if Jasper has to actively read someone's emotions, he simply never bothered getting a reading off of Maria?

    • @arkkon2740
      @arkkon2740 Před rokem +2

      @@hayleybartek8643 Honestly this explanation is a little odd. He thinks she's in love with him but he hasn't once thought to check? It's not questioning her feelings, but in reality someone would at least consider it out of curiosity, at least I would.

  • @hydrofalls8154
    @hydrofalls8154 Před 3 lety +18

    I got to admit seeing Jasper going that far to tell his backstory would have been awesome. Like he have been waiting for years.

  • @No1ofConsequence
    @No1ofConsequence Před 3 lety +37

    A part 5... Can only imagine how much of an epic Krim will make from the last entry.

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +32

      For starters, it's longer than any of the other parts.
      Also, it contains a rant arguing that Meyer writes like an incel.

    • @lizabethhampton4537
      @lizabethhampton4537 Před 3 lety +8

      @@KrimsonRogue Oooo teasers

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +2

      @@KrimsonRogue read more bad books
      :U

  • @TheAnonyomusGuy
    @TheAnonyomusGuy Před 3 lety +56

    I said it in the last part to this video series but one of the biggest factors to why Jacob acts the way he does in the last couple of books is because Meyer didn't want people shipping Bella with Jacob so she wrote an entirely horrific character assassination about him in the hopes that people would dislike him and stop shipping him with Bella

    • @cinematicheadspace6485
      @cinematicheadspace6485 Před 3 lety +12

      Yo I said the same thing in the last part too! The best part about her wrecking Jacob like that is that then she wanted us to like him again by making him fall in love with Bella’s baby.

    • @TheAnonyomusGuy
      @TheAnonyomusGuy Před 3 lety +10

      @@cinematicheadspace6485 wait so having his wolf DNA force him to fall in love with a baby was supposed to be a back track not a nail in the coffin?

    • @cinematicheadspace6485
      @cinematicheadspace6485 Před 3 lety +12

      @@TheAnonyomusGuy I don’t know. Him falling in love with a baby is seen as a good thing (ew) to the point that Edward and Bella are fine with it in the end (more ew) so I think it was Meyer’s attempt at a backpedal. I guess she wanted Jacob to still be “likeable” but not as likeable as Edward but she went to far so she wrote herself a total mess.

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +7

      Why would you sabotage your own work like that

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +8

      @@jackhazardous4008 Idk, only Meyer would know. But I know that I actually liked Jacob in New Moon (at least until the very end with Alice/Edward scenes coming back), and somehow it did not strike me as an abusive character worming his way in at the time. Jacob really did strike me - up until that point anyways - as a good supportive friend. I'm guessing others also saw him as ship potential, Meyer did not like that, then proceeded with the brutal character assassination rather than... you know... making Edward more likeable and the Edward/Bella relationship healthier and nicer.

  • @Catsafari25
    @Catsafari25 Před 3 lety +15

    I remember reading somewhere that Jacob’s character shift made more sense if you kept in mind that Meyer didn’t plan him out as a rival love interest in the first book, and that his aggressive and possessive traits only really start once she committed to the love triangle. (Guess who else is possessive and aggressive... Edward. It’s like Meyer can only write the one type of romantic interest)

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety

      While it does seem true that Meyers writes romance that way, there's also a pretty good in-story reason for Jacobs behavior not being obvious at the very start. He didn't start acting so aggressive until he became a werewolf, and the story does establish that young werewolves have a problem controlling their emotions. So there is a justification for his personality changing.

  • @tommy_svk
    @tommy_svk Před 3 lety +59

    Everyone in here talks about Twilight while I'm just trying to comprehand the fact that Krimson's hair looks magnificent AND he likes MGS games? Can you adopt me sir, please?

  • @silvertrimhill9844
    @silvertrimhill9844 Před 3 lety +47

    Do you think love can bloom even on a battle field?
    40k fans :NO!!!

    • @DetectiveLwegi
      @DetectiveLwegi Před 3 lety +5

      Unless you are commissar Cain. It can for the unluckilyest lucky man

    • @mst3kharris
      @mst3kharris Před 3 lety +5

      I’ve heard love _is_ a battlefield!

    • @JohnDoe-uf3lj
      @JohnDoe-uf3lj Před 3 lety +1

      Love is pretty gay, bro. I only care about Bolters and shit.

    • @davidant8901
      @davidant8901 Před 3 lety

      @@JohnDoe-uf3lj Get the flamer, man. There's, like, xenos to burn. For the Emperor!

    • @silvertrimhill9844
      @silvertrimhill9844 Před 3 lety

      @@mst3kharris Klingon Sighted! UNLEASH ALL FURY APON THEM!!!

  • @rowanlavellan9755
    @rowanlavellan9755 Před 3 lety +26

    I've been floating the idea of a fix-it fic with friends, and one told me it'd be equivalent to putting on a chum suit and jumping in a shark tank. I just. I want better! Better dads, more Alice, better Bella, better Jacob, no fetishisation or dehumanisation of an Indigenous tribe, and Ed's creepiness to be treated as the creepy bullshit it is.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 3 lety +1

      The only way to fix it is take out every BAD thing and start over😅and it would be quite difficult to pull off

    • @zaramikazuki8374
      @zaramikazuki8374 Před 3 lety +7

      You should follow Hannah Lee Kidder's Twilight rewrite series, right here on CZcams. She started off by just doing line edits and grammar/rewording things, then it quickly morphed into adding lines and background... and now she's basically rewriting the entire story barring the overarching Bella/Edward ship. It's actually pretty neat and I'd recommend it to anyone.

    • @tVt2000
      @tVt2000 Před 3 měsíci

      Bella and Alice end up together

  • @thekatalexander
    @thekatalexander Před 2 lety +5

    As someone who escaped an abusive relationship shortly after high school. Thank you for bringing this blatant example of toxic behavior to light. Another reason I absolutely hated this series.

  • @caoimhepower395
    @caoimhepower395 Před 3 lety +8

    The Muddle Earth parody of Twilight was more compelling than actual Twilight. And that was a spoof side-story in which Edward and "Ella" run away to become vikings. It was actually hilarious and really fun, and was the best part of the entire book imo.

  • @alexandergonyea4642
    @alexandergonyea4642 Před 3 lety +39

    Sheesh, coupled in with what we covered from Jake last time, your discussion really does open up the very real terrible design of his character. I recall hearing that Myer intentionally assassinated his character to defuse the "Team Jacob" debate, so that makes me wonder if Jacob was initially supposed to be this toxic and Myer just amped it up to eleven with Eclipse, or if he genuinely was just supposed to be misunderstood, and Myer purposefully damaged him beyond repair. I initially believed the latter since I did find him to be genuinely supportive and at least trying to be understanding to the sentient brick when watching your New Moon review (because no way am I watching these "films" without several friends and copious amounts of alcohol) but he failed because she was just being the brick, but now I'm not so sure.

    • @Author.Noelle.Alexandria
      @Author.Noelle.Alexandria Před 3 lety +5

      Meyer was genuinely upset over Team Jacob. This whole series started because she had a wet dream about her adult self and a sparkly teenaged vampire in a meadow. She wanted fans to want Edward, and so she tried to make Jacob look bad. But since this is Twilight and Bella is supposed to be the best ever, she also had to still have Jacob.

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Where exactly do people get the idea that Meyers was upset over team Jacob? Can anyone making this claim actually cite where this is stated? Or are a lot of butt hurt team Jacob fans just making this up. Because she seriously got rich over this so I can't for the life of me understand why she would be bothered in the least.

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety +1

      I think people just igonre Jacobs bad behavior in New Moon when they complain about Jacobs change. He threatens to put Mike in the hospital when they went to the movies with Bella, and attempts to get Bell in trouble with Charlie at the end of New Moon to try and keep her away from Edward. What we saw in Eclipse was a continuation of that same behavior. It's just that there was less of it in New Moon because Edward wasn't around, so he didn't need to be as manipulative. YOu start to see the more toxic behavior once Jacob isnt getting what he wants.

  • @samuelbarber6177
    @samuelbarber6177 Před 3 lety +43

    “Because the author said so,” is not rarely seen, especially in this series

  • @herrikudo
    @herrikudo Před 3 lety +31

    I came because of the notification.
    I stay for the clint eastwood reference in the title and the god awful cheese that krim suffered for us lol

    • @johannesseyfried7933
      @johannesseyfried7933 Před 3 lety +1

      Oh dear! I hope you weren't in Public when you got that Notification....
      That would be embarrassing. 😄
      You know, because you came?
      I'm sorry, I'm gonna go now.

    • @herrikudo
      @herrikudo Před 3 lety +1

      @@johannesseyfried7933 BE GONE. YOUR KIND ARENT WELCOME HERE.
      (Southpark bartender) "Now skeeter he aint hurtin nobody..."

  • @CoolG97
    @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +22

    I think Meyer was going for a Beauty and the Beast theme with the wolves but misinterpreted the story like she did with Romeo and Juliet.
    In the original fairytale the Beast is genuinely a good person and the Beauty needs to look past his animal-like appearance and see the man underneath.
    But Meyer, and to be fair a lot of modern writer tend to, give the Beast more toxic traits and refuse to give them any redemption beyond "oh he said he felt bad." so there character never really changes. That's not Beast that's Bluebeard. Also Meyer has the wolves threatening suicide if their "feelings" aren't returned...what is wrong with this woman?
    To end on a fun note-The woman who wrote the abridged version of Beauty and the Beast also wrote a story called "Prince Darling" which is probably the best Arrogant!Beast story I've read, helps that it's his POV and he actually suffers consequences.

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +2

      Its like she thinks making the people behave more drastically will make the story more interesting

    • @CoolG97
      @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +2

      @@jackhazardous4008 All the worst writers think that.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 3 lety

      Oh😅 I see

  • @annikadunlap461
    @annikadunlap461 Před 3 lety +20

    Once again, I'm so glad I never had a Twilight phase.

    • @scorpionqueen8586
      @scorpionqueen8586 Před 3 lety +3

      Lucky

    • @annikadunlap461
      @annikadunlap461 Před 3 lety

      @@scorpionqueen8586 Still had that Phantom of the Opera phase, but i definitely feel good about skipping over the Twilight phase.

    • @bigchungusstarscream7319
      @bigchungusstarscream7319 Před 3 lety

      Same ✌

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 3 lety

      Me too😅 I mean there was a time I considered reading them but at this point I’ll never read them (I also didn’t realise she wrote the host until a few years later😬)

  • @thejohnhopkinscompany9599
    @thejohnhopkinscompany9599 Před 3 lety +79

    Nothing like watching Krimson rip into some sh*tty story telling to make a rough day better.

  • @mihochicoine127
    @mihochicoine127 Před 3 lety +28

    to be fair... Edward is also an abusive monster of a boyfriend, so Bella's basically juxtaposed between two abusive relationships... which i guess is also common among domestic abuse victims, at least in anecdotal cases I've witnessed

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 3 lety +2

      Bella's cripplingly bad self-esteem manifests in her attraction to entitled predators

    • @mihochicoine127
      @mihochicoine127 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Tareltonlives yes, i was just pointing out a trend 've noticed where the same person regularly chooses to date abusive partners... and i would postulate that low self-esteem and/or a victimhood complex of some sort is responsible for people making decisions like this

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 2 lety

      @@mihochicoine127 Probably; I also think Bella is doing some manipulation of her own, as a way of asserting herself. She knows Jacob is obsessed with her so she exploits that. She knows Edward wants to marry her, so she exploits that to turn into a Vampire over his own protests. In both these, Jacob and Edward are forcing their own wants on her, and she is double-dealing to regain autonomy. She's learning that abuse is the only way to have any power.

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Tareltonlives That's why I can never feel THAT sorry for Bella.
      Yes her suitors are at times not treater her well. But at the same time she's clearly using both to get what she wants, and in the end Bella clearly does get everything she wants. So its kind of hard to feel bad for her (except when Jacob sexually assaults her... that's a whole other level).

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 2 lety

      @@noelbernabe8704 It's three way abuse

  • @CoolG97
    @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +8

    "Why are you wearing a dress?!?"
    "It's called method acting...and it makes me feel pretty."

  • @finleyherrmann4048
    @finleyherrmann4048 Před 3 lety +18

    Absolutely love your dissection off this unholy piece
    The hanging tree gave me goosebumps immediately btw, nice

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +5

      All credit for the music choices go to Jen for editing them in. :D

  • @maxthepaladin2147
    @maxthepaladin2147 Před 3 lety +8

    Clingy creep who stalks her and controlling creep who forces himself on her
    Such magnificent suitors Bella has

  • @mladenkulic446
    @mladenkulic446 Před 3 lety +82

    Slade: Why are you wearing a dress!
    Me: He probably lost a bet with Dom.
    There better be bloopers between you and Slade.

    • @AutisticAccountant
      @AutisticAccountant Před 3 lety +4

      That whole scene had me rolling

    • @sxatcychan1988
      @sxatcychan1988 Před 3 lety +5

      It took me a second to remember that "Slade" is referring to the girl and not the DC character. 😅

  • @Lillian2167
    @Lillian2167 Před 3 lety +5

    "Alice's ability to look ahead in the script" LOL :'''D

  • @CRAZYDAISYFOREVER
    @CRAZYDAISYFOREVER Před 3 lety +33

    What I remember from my graduation is the end where almost all the graduating students set off poppers to celebrate. It pissed off the principal XD

  • @kitmakin289
    @kitmakin289 Před 3 lety +15

    I deeply, honestly, and from the bottom of my heart want to thank Krimson Rogue for the series of this review - especially the last part.........for getting me into Aggretsuko which acted as a beautiful palate cleanser for these books and movies.

  • @tnecniw
    @tnecniw Před 3 lety +115

    You look good in a dress xD

    • @rowanlavellan9755
      @rowanlavellan9755 Před 3 lety +16

      More men should look into wearing dresses, he looked really good

    • @Wired_User
      @Wired_User Před 3 lety +8

      We gotta bring back robes into fashion so men will wear more dresses!

    • @thegreatstoneddragon9432
      @thegreatstoneddragon9432 Před 3 lety +3

      I think the long hair helps.

    • @johannesseyfried7933
      @johannesseyfried7933 Před 3 lety +2

      @@thegreatstoneddragon9432 The long Hair certainly helps.
      He looks really good in that Dress.

    • @epicgam2317
      @epicgam2317 Před 3 lety +2

      Bring the kimono back!

  • @cryingteapot6675
    @cryingteapot6675 Před 3 lety +7

    “Emo glitter himself to death”

  • @liquidjoshi
    @liquidjoshi Před 3 lety +16

    Krim, you fiend, I care about the brick! Well, at least significantly more than anyone in Twilight.

  • @FingersCrossedBeauty
    @FingersCrossedBeauty Před 3 lety +12

    I’m genuinely emotional over that brick😭

  • @ranwolf76
    @ranwolf76 Před 3 lety +16

    My Jr. High graduation was more memorable than my High School graduation. Then again the only thing from my Jr.High graduation I remember was everyone having to sing "Lean on me"

  • @gracepeterson4213
    @gracepeterson4213 Před 3 lety +58

    The fact that Jasper was in the Confederate army could've just not been in the story.

    • @beeknees6707
      @beeknees6707 Před 3 lety +30

      Also the fact that Maria, who is heavily implied to be a woman of Latina descent (one of the few minority characters mentioned outside of the natives) turns out to a manipulate monster that just uses him.
      But yeah, I agree. His story would have been exactly the same he had been in the union, so idk what stephanie Meyer was aiming for with that.

    • @gracepeterson4213
      @gracepeterson4213 Před 3 lety +3

      @@beeknees6707 Damn, I didn't notice that detail

    • @bethanychatman9531
      @bethanychatman9531 Před 3 lety +12

      @@beeknees6707 she does that to every minority.

    • @Shinigami41395
      @Shinigami41395 Před 3 lety +6

      @Al There's nothing wrong with a character having been a confederate as long as it's handled well. An immortal character would have had plenty of years since the Civil War to have a change of heart and realize they had fought for the wrong side.
      Of course, Stephenie Meyer doesn't handle anything well.

    • @gracepeterson4213
      @gracepeterson4213 Před 3 lety

      @@bethanychatman9531 I know. I was just focused on the Confederate part that I didn't think about Maria's character.

  • @scionixx9568
    @scionixx9568 Před 3 lety +7

    It’s so weird that I hated the movies that my girlfriend forced me to watch but I love hearing you break them down and talk about them lol. Love your content man.

  • @CyberkillGames
    @CyberkillGames Před 3 lety +18

    The only thing I remember from my graduation is when they played We're All in This Together from High School Musical after the ceremony.

  • @CoolG97
    @CoolG97 Před 3 lety +9

    All the talk of Jasper being a confederate makes me wonder if we're ever going to get a review of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. Or Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. (What that movie does with the proposal/argument scene is glorious.)

  • @MrQuickshot117
    @MrQuickshot117 Před 3 lety +8

    You know I just realized while writing this comment that nothing said will ease the pain of having to watch this entire series, reading the books and then having to look up fact and details
    So I will only say this, Krim, you have my upmost respect and I hope you don't go insane while reviewing the rest of the series

  • @jocelyndavalos1247
    @jocelyndavalos1247 Před 3 lety +19

    Your reviews never disappoint!! 😂❤️

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +14

      Thanks! Glad to hear it. :D

    • @jocelyndavalos1247
      @jocelyndavalos1247 Před 3 lety +8

      @@KrimsonRogue 😭😭 thank you for responding!😱 Glad I was early haha

  • @mr.purple7816
    @mr.purple7816 Před 3 lety +7

    The story would have been way more interesting in a romance sense if Bella was, WITH CONCENT from both her and Edward, turned into a vampire in the first movie. The rest of the series would be us following Bella (while being in love with Edward) adjusting to being a vampire both on an individual and collective level, trying to keep it a secret from her father, mother, friends, and other human beings, learning that her male best friend Jacob is now supposed to be her worst enemy, and that alot of other vampires, along the council, is against her relationship.

  • @Robin_TheArtist
    @Robin_TheArtist Před 3 lety +9

    Oh my gods, it made so much sense now!!!!!!!!! That's why Edward cant read Bella. SHE IS ACTUALLY A BRICK. IN ALL THE EMOTIONAL SENSES AND ALSO even in the physical sense bcs if you really subtitute Bella with a brick I would make no difference.
    Kinda sad if you ask me

  • @tobyjack1238
    @tobyjack1238 Před 3 lety +15

    Using clips from Zelda, Ghostbusters, Metal Gear, Star Wars, and Batman? You pretty much used every franchise I love in this one video.

  • @janehyde8680
    @janehyde8680 Před 3 lety +10

    I wonder if anyone will get this quote. So, to quote Father Jack, "I love my brick."

  • @lindseystein9676
    @lindseystein9676 Před 3 lety +5

    The whole “imprinting” concept is so creepy. It was bad enough and then she added children into the mix. That opens up a whole conversation on grooming. Bella and Edward being perfectly fine with Jacob and the daughter, even after they’ve met Emily (I think that’s her name, the girl with the scar on her face). There are just so many instances of excusing abusive behavior in the twilight books/movies. I’m glad I wasn’t a middle school age girl when the books and movies came out because it sends a really bad message about relationships.

  • @Vashthestampede967
    @Vashthestampede967 Před 3 lety +16

    "worse combat records than several Disney princesses"
    It's bad when disney is out pacing the literal monsters in combat records and body count if you include mulan and elsa of course. Seriously how did anyone take these monsters seriously when elsa from frozen can beat them?

    • @cameronrobertson9800
      @cameronrobertson9800 Před 3 lety +5

      Elsa causes a mini ice age and can create sentient beings at will. Let’s be fair, if you take the context that she’s a Disney princess out of the equation, she would be quite terrifying

  • @wyndoellabridge6208
    @wyndoellabridge6208 Před 3 lety +8

    Jacob alone made watching this 1000x more uncomfortable

  • @mr.outlaw231
    @mr.outlaw231 Před 3 lety +8

    13:40 That brick lost their job while going through a divorce? How dare you make fun of them!
    #LoveForBrick

  • @thegreatstoneddragon9432
    @thegreatstoneddragon9432 Před 3 lety +7

    Krimson: Let's dive into the world of Psychology.
    Me: 🍿

  • @cooraa
    @cooraa Před 3 lety +31

    I've never felt so uncomfortable as I did while sitting through the (cut down) scenes of a) Jacob kissing Bella, b) Jacob manipulating Bella to kiss him. Like holy fuck. It's not (only) the fact that these are sexual assaults but that they're framed in a way that wants you to believe "it's not that bad, it's just a kiss" and "Jacob is hot so it's kinda okay? Oh, and he said sorry :)". F*CK those scenes.
    Also, this was last video but I really loved that you didn't say "how can you write those scenes as a woman?", because no one, NO ONE, should feel okay writing that shit. Your gender doesn't matter in this - if you don't feel disgusting, uncomfortable or sickened by those scenes, go get yourself checked out by a therapist.

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety

      I don't think it's entirely true that Meyers wrote the scene in a way which says it's not that bad. Meyers description of Bella handling the sexual assault made it feel real real bad.
      I think the writing of some of Edwards toxic behaior arguably came off like Meyers didn't think it was a big deal. But the description of Jacob sexually assaulting her was actually pretty brutal to read. Bella did not seem okay while it was happening and the writing actually did a retty good job of conveying that.
      Though I'll agree Charlies reaction afterwards is sort of telling.

  • @LilCountryLuvnGirl
    @LilCountryLuvnGirl Před rokem +3

    I love when you throw in scenes where you're acting out with who I assume is your girlfriend. I get a great laugh out of it every time. Very silly and very well done

  • @steelballrunner636
    @steelballrunner636 Před 3 lety +5

    I saw these movies when I was little and I was Team Jacob. I can't believe that I never picked up on the abusive relationship that he has with Bella. It makes me wonder how these movies may have affected other people who saw these films at a young age.

  • @thealchemist51
    @thealchemist51 Před 3 lety +6

    “But that’s a whole Nother discussion I’m holding for part five” There’s a part five?!?!

  • @shiftyspaghetti2053
    @shiftyspaghetti2053 Před 2 lety +1

    Between Bella's behavior in the first two books, and Edward and Jacob's behavior in this book, Stephenie Meyer managed to create a love triangle where everyone is a poisonous viper who should never be in a romantic relationship. Someone really ought to make an award for that.

  • @victoriashevlin8587
    @victoriashevlin8587 Před 3 lety +6

    "...Soccer mom tested, Jesus approved "😆

  • @ranwolf76
    @ranwolf76 Před 3 lety +14

    So basically instead of Team Edward or Team Jacob it should have been Team Bat Creeper or Team Dog Creeper...

  • @tana3875
    @tana3875 Před 3 lety +13

    I was so excited to see this in my notifications. I never thought I could learn a lot about psychology and abuse in a review about a teen vampire-werewolf love triangle series. I used to be Team JACOB as a teen then I grew to dislike every character except Charlie. But now there’s really no decent character in this entire series lmao

    • @thegreatstoneddragon9432
      @thegreatstoneddragon9432 Před 3 lety +7

      There is one: the van that almost ran over Bella.

    • @dromalloma2651
      @dromalloma2651 Před 3 lety +1

      Carlsile and Aro are still pretty cool.

    • @sorcerersapprentice
      @sorcerersapprentice Před 3 lety +2

      I think some of the human characters like Jessica could've been a lot cooler if they weren't just used as background noise. I also think Rosalie is cool.

    • @noelbernabe8704
      @noelbernabe8704 Před 2 lety

      I think Charlie congratulating Jacob for sexually assaulting his daughter actually bothered me more than Jacob committing the fact. Jacob at least has the excuse that he was a werewolf not not in complete control of his emotions (not that this is a good excuse). But Charlie was a complete and utter pig.

  • @LauraConnolly
    @LauraConnolly Před 2 lety +1

    I had never really conceptualised Jacob’s behaviour as abusive just as desperate but I think you break it down so well to show how Jacob and Bella’s relationship is founded on an abusive cycle but also how abuse isn’t always an intentional behaviour but a fucked up path someone takes to get what they want when they truly believe it’s what they deserve or better for the other person. Bella was in a super vulnerable place when she became friends with Jacob again in New Moon and instead of considering that he used it to take advantage of her.

  • @chrisgk7494
    @chrisgk7494 Před 3 lety +16

    Wait how come Jasper's power works on Bella but not Edward's or the pain thing the other vampire has! I can maybe get that seing the future is different but all the other power can effect a person directly, she can shield mind reading and pain but not emotion control?

    • @mirandatilley2486
      @mirandatilley2486 Před 3 lety

      Okay the apparent explanation is that Jasper's powers are based on altering chemicals in the body as opposed to being psychic...or something...

    • @chrisgk7494
      @chrisgk7494 Před 3 lety

      @@mirandatilley2486 and he can do that from a distance?

  • @sunstar4559
    @sunstar4559 Před 3 lety +2

    Honestly, these videos have been super educational for me not just for someone who never read these books, but also how to be a better writer. Thanks for the knowledge Krimson!

  • @sanfransiscon
    @sanfransiscon Před 3 lety +12

    I have a fondness for stories about breaking away from the comfort of limitations to pursue something more fulfilling. But too often I feel like popular forbidden romance is saturated with stories about creepy dangerous guys and toxic/abusive relationships, as if they're unintentionally deconstructions.

    • @jackhazardous4008
      @jackhazardous4008 Před 3 lety +7

      They think they've created a deep, complicated character with problems when they've really just created an abusive muscular body pillow who forces himself on women who decide to just not resist.

    • @sanfransiscon
      @sanfransiscon Před 3 lety +3

      I've got a story I'd like to finish one of these days. I'm anxious but also amused at the idea of it gaining any following and people freaking out even though the couple are adults who respect and care about each other with no manipulation or coercion.

  • @t.thomas8919
    @t.thomas8919 Před 3 lety +2

    Didn't have the beach ball at mine. We tossed around a blow up doll, spray silly string, firecackers, all that good stuff. We got pretty bored when it started... the speech was just so, so, sooo long. Good times though.

  • @carlthomaswilliamsjr.2995

    I love how Krimson uses the music and Hunger Games scenes to give a good reason. 25:43

  • @jeswicas
    @jeswicas Před 3 lety +4

    I am having the most awful day and seeing that you uploaded a video really made me feel better. Thanks Krimson ❤️

    • @KrimsonRogue
      @KrimsonRogue  Před 3 lety +3

      Glad to help. I hope tomorrow is better! :D

    • @jeswicas
      @jeswicas Před 3 lety +2

      @@KrimsonRogue thank you! :)

  • @bobsempletank5362
    @bobsempletank5362 Před 3 lety +5

    I would love to see Michael Pena rail on summarizing the entire Twilight series like he does in Ant Man

  • @EnochVA
    @EnochVA Před 3 lety +3

    Return of the King

  • @kaidorade1317
    @kaidorade1317 Před 3 lety +7

    I don’t know...I feel more sorry for the brick than for Bella/Stewart. Does that make me a bad person?

  • @ArtsyImagination
    @ArtsyImagination Před 3 lety +4

    I love this series more than words can adequately express.

  • @mihochicoine127
    @mihochicoine127 Před 3 lety +2

    LOVE the symphonic metal cover of "Total Eclipse of the Heart"... I'm currently sitting through the credits, which I never do, just because it's so epic