WARFRAME - The Lotus, Her Story and Her Own Devil's Deal, was it just like ours?
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- So... Recently I've noticed a lot of symmetry between important aspects of the lotus story arc within warframe that only seem more and more relevant with each passing major quest we are introduced to. Is this what everything is leading to and why? I'll give you my thoughts on why I believe it just might be...
0:00 Intro
2:39 Lotus Story Overview
23:47 What did she see?
24:23 Parental Issues
27:30 Why does everyone lose their hands?
28:21 Dad and Mom, Power Couple
28:39 He is Coming
29:19 Outro
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Thank you for the effort you put in.
I must say following the story as presented here; now makes way more sense. Personally the New War was underwhelming and I felt it was kind of pointless but after watching this and realising the information that came out of it, lets just say that I should have paid more attention. 😅
Now I'm kind of hyped again for the next big quest that'll lead us on this merry path of dicovery.
First, thank you for the incredible support, I really appreciate that!!! And I want to say that going back and playing everything again, all sorts of little details are starting to show fleshing out the story really well, but as we’re seeing, it’s contingent on going back and seeing everything as a complete package. the next few months I’ll be doing a lot of reviewing older lore and quests with new significance. Bringing to light little details that might not have been noticed the first time around, so hopefully you’ll really enjoy it what’s coming and it will prepare you and everyone else for the upcoming quests! Again, thank you so much!!!!
@@TheDsIEGE keep at it chap. I'll be here to follow along 😁
bro whats ZAR
Its our currency here in South Africa
@TheDsIEGE your theories of the man is so great and I just realized that this same theory was in a show called sentai king ohger where king dagded play with the universe and a game room just so he can clean planets by giving to opposite side power and influencing his own will
I need a Quest that makes me feel like The Second Dream again
Although most of the quest didn't feel the same, the ending of The New War where you get to choose who The Lotus is felt the same as the ending of The Second Dream.
@@Spubbily01When you carry lotus 😎
That will never happen. We went years od being data blind on what the Tenno are when it was revealed.
I don't think that will be possible just due to the real life circumstances of that release.
Suddenly getting a proper story quest, a reveal only hinted at in obscure codex logs after years of very little direct story, ect.
I just want the Galil AK rifle from 1999... Galil Prime lol.
Tenno: "mom... why doesn't grandpa Hunhow love me?"
Lotus: "Ofcourse grandpa Hunhow loves you, he just... (thinks about all the times Hunhow tried to kill us) has a weird way of expressing it.".
BUT he did come in clutch in new war thr only reason erra changed his choice
In the now removed Paradox choice at the beginning of the game, Lotus said something suspicious. "Both paths will converge and you will hear HIS voice that none have heard"
I was looking for that and couldn't find it! You've confirmed it exists for me, that's something I'm going to need for future videos!
@@TheDsIEGE This should be the one czcams.com/video/V7Ytg2HjXv0/video.html&feature=share7
And after that epic magnificent song ends, a music from the New war (when we have to decide between the Operator and the Drifter) begins
Funny enough I remember choosing it cause I played since like pre 2018
hmm
I'm pretty sure the reason we turned on the orokin is clear: They were evil, terrible people and we always planned on turning on them the moment they executed margulis, it was the straw that broke the camels back. It was just that we needed the right opportunity so we gained their trust like Ordan kars and once they were in one place after the old war we launched our attack. I have no doubt the Lotus also influenced us to do so as it was her purpose.
Basically. Like the orokin themselves realize, all their creations turn against them. The infestation, the sentients, the grineer, the people of the zariman, the tenno.
The orokin were dictators, and eventually those under the control of a dictatorship will try to free themselves.
We never learned of Margulis execution. She was just gone for a bit longer and started to call herself the Lotus
Keep in mind that during the harrow quest, the Lotus denied the existence of the man in the wall at all.
Another thing... Albrecht gets blind while encountering Wally. (The Wall also has no eyes). In the mean time, the Children make Margulis blind too...
Makes me wonder if she did indeed cut a deal with Wally (say, for example, to regain the ability to have offsprings), Wally instead made her a surrogate mother to the tenno, therefore sort of fulfilling her wish in a way?
Could it be that her meeting the tenno was all part of wally's plan?
That's what the evidence is pointing towards, if nothing else...
Monkeys paw curls harder
Yeah, definitely subscribed to your channel.
Such a clear and concise way of presenting this story. Great breakdown! I had to stop towards the end, as I have yet to complete The New War.
I think there is one player in this house of cards that you have overlooked.
In his cave in Duviri, Teshin Dax can be overheard lamenting of how the Tenno was tutored by a sentient (The Lotus) and not by a Dax (Teshin)
Coincidentally Teshin finds finds himself as a mentor figure to an army of Drifters whom seems to share the Tenno's affinity for the warframe weapon system.
What I am thinking is that Teshin is making his own Tenno to perhaps put the Lotus or the Origin tenno to Justice. Perhaps even rewriting history itelf and vindicating him and his kind of past failures.
Perhaps he is doing this in the memory of someone he cared so deeply about He kept a brainwashing veil as a momento for. Perhaps a lady that named Valeria that seems to have been one of the victims of the Orokin massacre orchestrated by the Lotus and her space kids.
I've been thinking a lot about the Man in the Wall after watching your videos, and I believe that, at the start at least he was benevolent. There's another way of looking at the encounter with Albrecht, when taking into account the fact that it's the first interaction with the Void. Imagine a god, omniscient, omnipresent, but also alone, unable to interact with anyone, having a less developed personality as a result. Then imagine that someone knocked at its door, the first meeting that an incomprehensible being has with another. It tries to act human, to be understandable but doesn't know how. The place it creates is a mirror of the last place it's companion saw, hell it's linked in real time to it. It takes the form of the man it's talking to in a strange attempt to be familiar (surely this form wouldn't upset you, it's your own!), and calls him by the nickname only his mother used to do the same. The more I thought about the analogy you used in a previous video, with us not knowing what every cell in our body the more Albrecht's story fits into it
I'm very excited now.. Oh the anticipation..
I always learn so much....from a live lore video.
I got a theory on it... If the void is a domain where the man in the wall lives or better yet the void is the man in the wall, the story is FAR easier to understand. He wants to invade our world. He has two allies, tenno and the Lotus. At first, the Orokin may have wanted to tap into that power but quickly changed their minds after the kids came home. The Lotus might have sought that power at some point to complete her programming (to end the warframes and the Orokin). Now she wants to play mom to the very same kids under contract of the man in the wall. That's right, we made a deal and so did the Lotus hence why she was so overpowered, she also has some void power as well. I dont buy the children aspect of space mommy but they did tell us that ultimately it makes sentients barren. That must be important on some level to Lotus. It's a question of why she is doing all she can to KEEP mr. man trapped in the void since he has obviously kept his promise. I am wrong tho.... I cant wait to play that part. Enough with all the Prime stuff and distractions. Lets go!
And Duviri. I was getting a kind of Revan vibe with it. The moment the deal was made with the Tenno and Mr. Man, time diverged into a timeline when we came home and a parallel timeline where we are stuck in the void/Duviri... The tenno were in stasis pods so that could account for the age or time might flow differently there then here or whatever. Being that the tenno through the power of the void is connected to both realities explains most of the "hand" stuff. Remember, I think the Lotus is also in on the deal in a way that has yet to be explained. She did push the moon into the void. Great video as always.
I like that comparison... Very relevant here! and Thank you!
I thought the flaw that Sentient's become barren after exposure to the Void was something built into them from the very beginning? If so, then that wouldn't explain Natah's motivation to turn against her race, especially since it's already super confusing on whether she truly desired the Tenno as her surrogate children, or if this was something the Orokin had implanted on her. There must be something else that she bargained for with the Man in the Wall.
Also I never realized that the Lotus's hand literally peels back the Drifter's own hand during that scene. Gross...
Now I'm really curious as to what the future of Warframe's story is going to be. I'm still depressed that we never got a full-blown war, but now with the Man in the Wall sowing his hands through every faction in the game, and with every single faction crippled save for the Tenno and maybe the Sentients (still have no clue what the hell is up with Pazuul and what his end goal is gonna be, or Hunhow's), there's really nothing else the Tenno have to really worry about. So who else is left for us to fight? The Man in the Wall never seems to be antagonistic towards us, the Grineer have lost a Queen, Parnum seems to want nothing to do with the Corpus of today, which is constantly in in-fighting, and the Infested just... exist. Will the Sentient's make a come-back, or will there be a new enemy faction we'll have to deal with?
The opportunity to have children again might make her do it. A mother's love is... A mother's love. Nothing quite like it, and it's as strong as the tides. But the hand is super gross.
I don't think the Orokin would be HONEST with their creations, they see the average person as entirely non existent unless they can serve a purpose that benefits themselves. The idea that the Sentients wouldn't realize they'd be unable to replicate post-Void-Jump is in line with what we know imo.
Kinda hoping we get to Tau and there’s a new enemy faction there, maybe ones that made the sentiments turned and are more powerful than the Orokin ever were
@@jas6853 The sentients making their own sentients and those sentients in turn turning against them (and us, probably)
It makes 0 sense, but it _would_ be funny
I think the Man in the Wall has a deal with the Tenno, lotus, Drifter, Granum, The Worm, and a certain Orokin that disappeared saying that they were unsure of whether they returned of it did. The abilities of the Lotus, Tenno, and Drifter, the creation of the Liches/sisters after a schism in those factions happening in the story and the new powers and knowledge the remaining leaders suddenly gained after Lua reappeared. makes one think he is playing everyone probably even Erra and Ballas, he probably is even the one that is allowing Vor through the key to access the void and Duviri.
I think it's interesting that everyone assumes that what we saw at the end of the new war was from our player character's perspective. What if what we saw in the cutscene (the man in the wall) was actually what the lotus saw? That whole scene was framed to be from her perspective, at least that's how I've always interpreted it. Our character during that whole thing is either out of frame or shoved to the side, meaning that we're not the main focus, which is obvious, but wouldn't that also mean that what is shown is also not what was focused for the tenno? Just something to think about.
Maybe, but it would beg to ask even further why she wouldn't answer the question at the end, as she would have to assume we saw what she did, right?
@@TheDsIEGE as I've interpreted it, here's what *could* have actually happened:
(keep in mind this is perhaps not what was intended, but this is how I think things were supposed to have happened in that scene)
We know that a portal into the void had been opened. After we defeated ballas, there was a surge of void energy that came back from the portal. What if the lotus thought the surge itself was the problem, and thus shielded us, but then had the experience we witness, but then to our operator she would have just been standing there, perhaps trying to close the void portal? I have no doubts that the surge happened, I just doubt whether our tenno could see the man in the wall come from the portal. Perhaps all the tenno knew was that the lotus saw something, but then closed the portal. Perhaps from our tenno's perspective, there was a surge of void energy, they were shielded, and then the lotus had to concentrate her power to close the portal. If the tenno saw the man in the wall, why would they need to ask what the lotus saw? If the tenno saw what we were shown in the cutscene, there wouldn't be anything to question other than something like "what was that thing and what were it's intentions?"
I think the very fact that the tenno asked the lotus what she saw proves that the tenno didn't see what we saw in the cutscene, perhaps moreso than anything else. Still just my own interpretation, though.
@@GlyphicEnigmaI get why you interpreted it like that, and I like it
This is the definitive "story so far".
Sending this to nubs when they ask what the hell is going on after they finish all of the main series quests.
It seems that when natah acessed her void powers during the new war prologue it allowed her to break free of the mind control.
Also The man in the war doesn't "smile" he grins, I don't believe that there is anything significant with the lotus' smile rather than it being a show of relief that everything is over and ok.
I definitely think you're right that the lotus has void powers though.
Back to back bangers, lore discussion for warframe is scarce so I'm happy we have someone this great in the arguably ever shrinking lore community
Can we really trust what Lotus is saying from the sacrifice to the new war?
She's being gaslit and lied to by Erra and Ballas.
Drifter is ok with his hand because its different from being executed
Yeah, it's actually a pretty sad life, and here's the thing... he supposedly didn't take the deal, right? But then... if our operator took the deal by shaking hands with the man in the wall using the lotus' hand, did he just trick the drifter into kind of still making the deal by taking the same hand? That wally is quite the trickster, isn't he?
This was an amazing theory
I think lotus has seen the man in the wall twice now. Once on her first tau trip sacrificing her procreation and again when ballas drops her in the void but this time she try’s to battle him knowing his evil intentions which is why the drifter finds her near-death and defeated
You could make a video about the choice between Lotuts/Margulis/Natah and what it means for the future
Space Grandpa may hate his adopted grandkids, but he'll help us when needed.
Bet you all never look at you're drifter's hand in Duviri the same ever again, lol....
now that that's been pointed out, no lol
I literally never noticed that until now XD
I have to wonder what that sudden hand grafting felt like
I never noticed the drifters hand get peeled back like that until you pointed it out. Kinda wish I could unsee that but it explains the drifters reaction of pain a lot better now
Siege can you make a video what is currently happening in the origin system in echoes of duviri
I always wondered about that. "Why red and that specific blue energy? I don't use those colors, and it's the one thing I cannot change. Reminds me of a fleshy arm sleeve or something." Now I know that's exactly what it was. A very literal fleshy arm sleeve.
Every time I watch your videos I am amazed at the depth of the warframe story
I just got back into Warframe from about a 5 year hiatus. I was SOOO shocked and awestruck about how amazing this quest was - which I did last night.
Hunhow & Erra both sound so sick dude, most badass voices ever.
hmm
After watching Video I now must go deep into a rabit whole on what family means in warframe
Yep... it's a pretty crazy little group we've got together! Just hoping mommy and daddy don't fight too much!!!
Thanks for another awesome video, you ask many excellent questions that we all want answers to
Thank you!!! That's something I strive for... to get people talking. Who knows what other creator might watch this and put something else together to make something even better! Everything builds on each other and the cycle just continues and continues toward the truth!
27:50
I was so used to expect something of an analysis that just naturally reacting "wtf" this way made me laughed xD
Every once in a while I'll throw some humor in there. Also... keep an eye out for all the movie references, there are at least three in every video I make!
I actually havent even made it to the zariman yet, (still stuck on getting helminth and necramech,) but i think the man in the wall is going to be the next main antagonist. I, for one, despise feeling like im being used, like a pawn. And its alluded to that being one of the reasons the tenno overthrew the orokin.
So if wally really is palpatining the universe as we know it, and is where our power comes from, i believe the next chapter will.be about taking that power back for ourselves and doing all it takes to regain our autonomy.
The Tenno would lose their life, so Wallie offered them the power to survive the jump, or maybe even countless deaths if gameplay is canon.
Natah's jump from Tau would lose her her fertility, her potential future family. What if Wally gave her a family?
If Wally needed a family for the Lotus, why not pick the point in time where he could manipulate its events to create orphans for Natah to take care of? Orphans put in a moment of need for him to exploit too?
What if Natah's need for a family of her own is the root cause for the 10-0 accident? After all, time is not linear, certainly not in the Warframe universe. Child's play for the representation of the Void.
Man in the wall crashed the 10-0 so Natah could have a family then turned around and offered the operator a deal to save all the kids knowing we’d take it. Then we save everyone, the “Lotus” gets her children and we’re eternally locked into a deal. What was framed as a miscalculation was actually a diabolical scheme by man in the wall, locking the operator into a split reality but ultimately being the only reason the kids didn’t die and go mad like the adults did. but for what reason? To seize an opportunity on our reality?
Nice video!! So many questions and direction I. Warframe. I love it. Keep up the good work.
Really glad your posting content again! Keep it up!
Thank you!!! I'm just glad people are willing to watch, lol!
You can turn on content creator mode when replaying quests to have the original Lotus in the transmissions instead of the purple one.
We're approaching a real end game for Warframe and I hope its as good as I think it will be.
man, haven't seen a villain/eldritch entity this interesting since Gaunter O'Dimm
The Lotus is definitely one of my favorite characters in Warframe. I wonder if teno can become sentient hybrids similar to the amalgams?
You mean like caliban?
@@vonrelevanz1963 caliban also works for the analogy.
The hype is unbearable. Goodnight
I always thought it was Lotus's hand that was wrapped around the Drifter's hand. Didn't expect it to be the other way around. Gross....
hmm
The "gross" and "what the fu-" got me 😂
I wonder if mabye she'll end up dying, causing us to evolve even further with the void.
Although I loved The New War, the animation feels so strange in stark comparison to the Chimera Prologue. I wonder if they have the animation team that worked on Chimera Prologue's cutscenes working on some newer projects, or maybe they are working with Soulframe.
I remember when I was doing conclave teshin mentions that every one has oro and it can be taken away, then if you replay mirages story quest lotus says that a high level sentient absorbed her oro instantly killing her and since balis was kinda half sentient he was able to take most of natahs light/oro
I've recently had a few conversations with a few people about where we are headed and I have like 4 theories fully fleshed out. Only 1 that seems extremely plausible and will likely be more probable once we see Hunhow again. I believe that Hunhow is holding back some greater threat, recently felt this was a God of Entropy, aka the god of death and nothingness. Mannie is a God of Possibility, hence why the void can affect Eternalism, all possibilities at once. Lotus was remade through a deal with said God of Entropy creating the birth of Eidolons and the Archon Shards. At the end of the New War both gods have been released from their bonds in some way, reason we get Pazuul. Also believe there is a 3rd god, the god of Life itself, the Unum, she who can affect the flow of all. However I never really looked at our Tenno eyes in the cutscene with Erra vs Lotus, and I think it might bring up a bigger point about Wallie later. I however don't think Wallie is a villain, pretty sure he is a God who is just using us to help in his war with another god. Pretty sure the Narmer faction and it's Archons will be the enemy he is fighting. But I could very well be wrong on this. Can't wait for this years Tennocon to see where this story is headed.
Thanks for the video TheDsIEGE! Always enjoy your lore dive content.
Speaking of warframe, broader picture and something about upper body limps, there might be a wider pattern there. one that might span from dark sector ad might even expand into soulframe 😁
I'm really hoping they have a shared universe. I feel like expanding on this system in other ways would be really interesting, but I'm not sure they would do that.
@@TheDsIEGE I think Steve said that the Soulframe universe is like the sister universe to Warframe. Not sure what that means but it does continue the theme of duality in a way.
I feel like if part of the plan was to wipe the field of major players immediately after the old war would have been the best time. Both the sentients and orokin were defeated, the grineer were not a faction with any pull and Granum was gone(unless the man wants him around) with all the tenno awake and more or less at the height of their power and organization (not scattered or sleeping like now) that was the best time to make a power play.
Ive missed your content siege!
I may have a feeling that The Lotus might have struck the same deal our Operator did with "The Man in the Wall" as it would probably explain her power. We struck a deal with the Void Eldritch being in exchange for the lives of our other selves that exist within Eternalism and the Lotus must have struck the same deal but in exchange for her ability to reproduce.
This is the way
Cant wait
I think you're onto something with the recurring motif of a severed appendage. I'd wager that DE Steve is drawing once again from classical mythology, using symbolism to make a thematic point and/or establish some loose unity between disparate characters.
Consider:
Tyr, the Viking god of war, lost a hand when he and the other gods while subduing Fenrir, the world-destroyer. Lotus/Natah was the Sentient field commander who lost her hand to Ballas, also a world destroyer.
Ai Apaec, a god of the Mochicas (pre-Incan) missing an arm mid-humerus, was the "son" of an ultimate "sky" deity who despite being the creator god, was "remote, almost indifferent". The glyphs in Entrati's lab look suspiciously similar to those of ancient Colombian peoples.
Lastly, it is no secret that DE Steve holds other famous SF creators in the highest esteem., drawing inspiration and giving nods of attribution in a variety of ways. Orokin architecture would be right at home in Frank Herbert's Dune. Entrati's lab right out of Jules Verne and HG Wells. The severed hand of the Lotus right out of George Lucas' Star Wars. Or is it from "The Monkey's Paw"?
I think the man in the wall is making a body for himself since entrati may have failed out of fear
THIS IS A NEW VIDEO ?! I literally just asked this question
Wally seems to be some sort of geni. They grant wishes but always with a twist and like the devil always with a price that furthers their own ends.
That's a perfect analogy.
I consider him akin to Q
@@chrisdufresne9359 Not a bad comparison (I haven't seen much of next gen), but I get the feeling Wally I'd more malicious than Q
@josepholson324 More akin to Q in the way that it's using the lower life forms for its own plans and some kind of entertainment. Plus, Q has granted wishes from the crews of various ships and tacked on some strange catches.
@@chrisdufresne9359 Ah I see now, I completely agree
My biggest question is: What was the Lotus and Wally doing and scheming during the centuries of our cryo sleep? We've seen Wally's ability to view, witness or foresee the potential pathways someone takes so I don't think it's far fetch for him to see all of the Lotus' paths. I mean, that is a very long time to find the ideal outcome of events.
I got this weird feeling that the man in the wall is the first ever Tenno and either he snapped or Margulis locked him away in the wall and he is finally strong enough to make his comeback and "The Lotus" doesn't remember him
Yet man in the wall is missing fingers on his RIGHT HAND
I believe Parvos Granum was manipulated by the man in the wall too. He described a voice that whispered to him the ideals he embraced. Perhaps Vor was manipulated too. I’ve always wondered why he chose to try and capture a Tenno for *us* specifically? Before the events of the game Vor was going around killing Tenno before they could wake up, but he suddenly decided to bring one to the queens, and he made that decision on our character. Why? I don’t think it was random coincidence that he chose do try and capture us
It's a good theory, my only issue is that the hand we shook when accepting the void deal was not the lotus' hand. The only similarity is that it emits the same green energy, but it is very clearly not the same hand. If you look the index finger is uncovered on the lotus hand but the void hand is fully gloved and there isn't another hand that's peeled back like a banana around it like when the drifter gets the lotus' hand
I noticed that during the transference cutscene with Umbra that the man talking sounds a lot like Drusus from the Leverian.
I wonder if theres something there...
wow. cool lore video, also you have a nice voice :D
I feel like theres 2 void entities at play like we got the man in the wall but if feels like theres another less known and more hidden. but its just somewhat a theory.
14:04 - That he's merely a faun
So another great video but I strangely disagree on how Wally role is exactly played. While the Lotus does take on the role of the mother I think Wally is more like an uncle filling in the role of the father. While he does help us out, he also has his own plans he wants to in act within the real world by using us. Which the Lotus does realize and now is causing a "spat" with Wally to some degree. Though in all honesty we still need to wait and see what all DE wants to do with everything, I hope they do a wonderful job and just as good a job on their other projects as well.
So, Wally would be the manipulative Uncle that Mom doesn't like? Makes sense.
2:00 so I never saw her as an enemy or not an outright enemy, I saw it more like basically do you know when someone gets earm is in a cult and they managed to escape from that cult (their free and star a new life) and then years later the leader of that cult comes and finds them and re-kidnaps them and re-brainwashes them that’s basically what I was seeing this as.
So it was our job to try and save her from the cult and herself, this is why I dislike that her choice at the end is made by the player, personally ied have liked it more if she had chosen who she wants to be or maybe picked a whole new identity heck the Tenno are old enough now (some older than others) that we can live without her needing to watch over us so maybe she could have gone off to find out who she wants to be.
I definitely think Natah was in control until Ballas found a way to revive Erra.
good video still wait for quest to play as veso the corpus tech boy need some love and story
the only thing strange in the lore quests is how easy is to enter in contact with the tenno and know what they are doing...
Likely Ordis sending out messages asking for help
Right on the money friend. The sun and moon dial global average would be an interesting statistic.
Hopefully this helps me decide between lotus and natah
One question I've always had not so much about the Lotus but the Tenno during the Old War era. Then they first developed transference, were the Tenno able to "leave" their Warframe's like they can after the War Within? And in top of that were they aware that they were in their frames at all? Or did they just get immediately get put into the dream and during the entirety of the Old War?
It was likely pitched as a game of sorts, given that they were children. A casual, "You know Tron, it's real now, and you can play it as much as you want."
I've also wondered what Lotus saw because Albrecht saw himself, we see ourselves, who does 'Lotus' see *herself* as? Natah, Margulis, Lotus, or, all 3 'selves'. She does say something like, 'I'm not one'
You can not do that to us. End the video with " did you escape or the other"
But awesome video ❤
he is totally ok with it... wtf...
this part got me hahaha
I honestly think the Lotus and Tenno are being controlled by The Man in The Wall, remember, he is always watching from the walls, so it is only natural to assume that he has been manipulating everything from the start.
This statement might be a push, but 3 years ago you posted a video about Ordis and what/who he really is...remember when he said he was broken down by thw orokin as he walked amongst corpse...could he be the "man on the wall"? The one pulling all the strings and convinced Ballas and create the illusions of our 2s? If I recalled Cephalons can go onto the void space and time itself - like how we saved Cephalon Suda
So who was ordis before he was glassed and turned into a Cephalon? What were his crimes?
@@BrambleJamapparently Ballas convinced him to drink Kuva or somethings and of sort, because he tried to killed Ballas (dont really remember the lore) and his punishment was eternal life (This is when he got turned into a cephalon) - He was a ruthless killer named Ordan. Emmm...In Ordan back story there's a few dialogues that hinted towards his true goals and revenge against Ballas and what he used to think of the tennos. Again I don't remember the lore much because it has been almost 2 years since I played the lore for Ordis
I think all three are in charge, the mc tenno, the man in the wall, and the lotus. These three are the key to something we just don't know yet
What version of This Is What You Are is playing in the background? It sounds really good lol.
“Babe wake up, TheDsIEGE posted a video”
I'm with Lotus, I don't buy that Margulis kicked Rell out because he was "different." This woman went to her death to defend the Tenno, she protected and raised them when everyone else wanted to cast them out or kill them (not that they could have succeeded, but the point stands), I don't buy that she would toss Rell to the wolves for being a autistic. Besides, Rells comic somewhat implies he wasn't rescued when everyone else was, I find it more likely she never knew about him or he ran away than that she would willingly abandon a Tenno.
Holy shit this might actually be a cohesive theory!
I was wondering if there's more to the Void and Duviri and if maybe they are the same, because surely either Duviri is an exclave in the Void or a mirror of either the universe of our main story or the Void. And the Void being some kind of mirror entity seems kind of obvious - or maybe a super entity. Although it's never explained like that.
It's just in Duviri there is a graveyard and on the biggest monument there it says something along those lines: "In the mirror of oneself, behind the portal of becoming, nothing exists, what your own self didn't bring." (Roughly translated)
So I was wondering if the mirror is the Void and we cause the Void to exist through our doings or existence.
And Duviri is filled with mirrors and broken mirrors that sometimes lead into the Undercroft, which is either a passageway for the Void Angels to Duviri or an echo of something, like the inscription on the monument says, something that became real because it's the mirrored reality. Or everything at once.
Also, there's Archimede Yonta who sometimes says that she dreamed of Albrecht Entrati and in the end he ripped himself in two.
So as if the one that escaped the Void portal, either himself or the other, is still himself, no matter which one escaped.
I know, I sound confusing right now, but what if the void is us (our characters) all along.
And your theory is that Rell is either the lighthouse warden or Dominus Thrax, right? But if the man in the wall is Dominus Thrax, then it means we're all being played more than we already think we're being played.
I'm maybe overthinking it, but I have the feeling that the ones who write the story for Warframe want it to be confusing 😅
Oh, by the way, I kind of already accepted your theory that Duviri is the Dream. And the Dream being the Void because that's our power source isn't too far off.
@thedsiege In Void flood missions in the Undercroft, Teshin says if the Void Angels can open the portal they will free their master. And when it's prevented he says, the smallest breach in the wall would turn everything around (or something). Does that mean the Void Angels work for the man in the wall and he is trapped somewhere on the Zariman or more precisely in Duviri? Is Duviri the breaking seal that prevents the man in the wall to enter our universe fully or something?
Also, Dominus Thrax came up with the building designs in Duviri (say some of the NPCs there). Does that mean he is Orokin? That means he could be anyone... Maybe even Albrecht Entrati 😮 You know, the other one.
In the Undercroft, there is one Dominus Thrax close by and one hidden in the clouds, like lurking and trying to be hidden or subtle. Maybe that means something.
Either, I thought, one is the mirror image and one the real one. Or either of them is someone else. 😮
P.S. Nevermind, there are two of him everywhere in Duviri 😮 I think the clouds represent the current spiral and emotion.
P.P.S. Bombastine says that Thrax's power is rooted in the Undercroft. 😮
And what does it mean that Kullervo, a warframe, is imprisoned in Duviri? Alongside his warden, who may either be Ballas or the man in the wall (or something else).
Was he thrown into the Void as punishment? But why is his warden with him then?
We know that Kullervo killed Orokin and Tenno alike because he wanted to win respect or something (in a twisted way), but something doesn't make sense here.
And why is everyone in Duviri one-armed?
Absolutely loved the analysis, but i do have a question: if Erras was destroyed in Lua, how is he still alive in the New War? If we manage to decode that enigma from the story, we might have an idea of how is Pazval , ( the goat head guy), leading the sentients
what is the ost at the beginning???
The lotus is the Darth Vader of warframe. I refuse to elaborate further
3:05 it’s simple lotus went *execute order 66* on them
Did she say... "do it"?
@@TheDsIEGE i dont think so it just makes more sense for her to be palpatine also i cannot get the image of her going execute order 66 out of my head
I think it's funny that Hunhow calls himself the destroyer of worlds but he never really did the thing.
Why the tenno rebelled is clearly stated in the game.
True but... is that the real reason? The erra cinematic may portray a different insinuation...
I just completed the second dream and the war within didn’t start for me right away instead I got mail and some red triangle telling me about the sentients coming or working and how I need to build a Railjack a weapon from the past. Am I not suppose to be doing this now or somehow skipped head or something? I didn’t know the War Within was suppose to start right away after the second dream
War Within comes directly after second dream. The new war, the thing you'll need a rail jack for, isn't for a few quests yet and has one of it's own to get you started on it called rising tide.
@@TheDsIEGE oh kk. Yea I just unlocked Pluto and Sedna and got the War Within quest and I just finished it. The mission I got after the second dream sent me on missions to get parts for railjack then it took me on a mission and talked about void storms and a creepy ship came out of the void. I think it’s a Warframe blueprint missions for the frame that doesn’t die. I’m not really sure what quest is next so I’ll unlock Sedna and see what happens.
The thing with Ballas absorbing Lotus's power, could the Jade Light be Literal? I know it's not a deep jade but the kiss is Green and it seems to end her, I saw the clip while replaying the Second Dream and its something that I've not seen brought up, I know it's a VERY Vague connection, but if the Jade Light does infact absorb one's power, could it be a way to at least weaken the man in the wall
Maybe the lotus has the power the man of the wall?? That’s a good question (maybe)
It's me or the Man in the Wall could be an entity kinda like Tzeentch from WH40k Universe?
It feels like the Void and the Warp are quite similar places!
I have a theory I'd like to share:
I don't know the whole timeline but what if Margulis, Natah and Lotus are one and the same person???
Just follow me; We know that Kuva provides the means to overtake death, right? And there is nothing (that I know of) to say that it is impossible to, for instance, continue living in a Sentient body, so, what if, Margulis, knowing that she was about to be executed, drank Red Kuva, but, due to the surprise of her repentine death or through more nefarious means, she ended up trapped inside Natah's body, ever in conflict with the sentient's original... sentience? That would mean that the Natah we see in the New War is a result of Ballas and Hunow interference and that Lotus is the result of Margulis finally taking over Natah's body and resuming her duties as the Tenno's Kinda, sort of Mother, right???
That would also explain why she refused to tell what she saw when confronted by The Man in the Wall, she saw the mirror of Margulis last body before becoming Natah and that would also explain why she can become "Full Body Margulis" if the player chooses so.
Perhaps the Man in the Wall, ally, villain or something in bewteen, found a way to fully realize Natah, Lotus and Margulis inside Natah's body or perhapes He/It showed Lotus her past self in order, for whatever reason, to remember her of what she meant to the Teeno, what she means in the present or what she could be and it falls on the player to choose who We want her to be!!!
I can see no other reason why this choice has the Ligh/Neutral/Dark result and I think this choice will be one of the key choices to influence the Endgame we might get in the not so near future!!!
Now that is an interesting idea, and totally unprecedented. I don't think that is where the evidence leads however.
@@josepholson324 Maybe but I see no other reason why the Ligh/Neutral/Dark choise is inverted in here...
Natah the Sun?
Lotus the neutral and Margulis the Moon???
What if in this we have to choose the inverse of what the choices show?
Those who want Sun must choose Margulis (The Moon) and those who want a dark character must choose Natah (The Sun)
What if Natah as the Sun means not that she is the light but that if She is the MC choice, she will end the light and open the door for the Man in the Wall and what if Margulis as the Moon means that she will end the darkness and stop being influenced by the Man in the wall
That would mean that the Lotus as grey is the balance the System needs!!!
@@tiagopatricio3805 my interpretation of that choice was that margulus (the dark) is lotus rejecting the truth of herself and thus blinds herself to her truth trying to be something she's not, and nahta (the light) is the truth of what she was and thus blind herself to who she became trying to cling to a past she is not sure of. Lotus is the truth of what her experiences lead to, she can see the truth, lotus does not forget her pasts and does not blind herself to the other sides of herself like the others did.
Blinding light vs blinding dark in the end both leave you unable to see the reality in front of you.
@@josepholson324Exactly...
When I play the game and listen to TheDsIEGE videos i think about the way Gordon describes batman in the Christian Bale's movies:
The Tenno are not heroes, nor they are villians, they are exactly what the system needs to thrive and to, eventually, move past the terrors of War!!!
chains of harrow wowie
Who was laughing on the head of man in the wall? Was it Lotos or Wally with her mask on his(her) face?
That's our doppleganger, whereas the large stone effigy is part of Entrati's Doppleganger. The multitude if you will. Who knows how many more there could be?
@@TheDsIEGE I expect to see Lotus and Parvos doppelgangers in next updates!))
I was disappointed at umbra for not stepping up during the new war
K this is driving me nuts
Her left hand was cut of right because I can’t tell with the decaying body
That’s why it’s missing in the oporator chair
But tmitw gives us her right
And the her right hand lands in divuri
So I’d this just a problem with my eye and she regenerate her right but the decay took her left or what
Is your character supposed to Dick Grayson in that one Batman movie with Poison Ivy?
Um... Yes!