Skylar Neese Murder Case | Mental Health & Personality
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- This video answers the questions: Can I discuss the mental health and personality factors that may be at work in the Skylar Neese murder case?
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Just because someone is friendly, doesn’t mean they’re actually your friend.
Yep, and the amount of time it takes to form a true friendship is beyond adding someone to your face book or being "friends" with a group in HS.
Idk if they were friends though. They had a falling out
Ah yeah. You must follow your gut instinct. It is really sad that they seemed to have been happy about what they did. I know a lot of people disagree. But this comes from not teaching our children about the love of God. They can be filled with hate, envy, murder, and all sort of dark and horrible things.
@@ladennayoung2939 actually Rachel sheaf left the next day for Bible camp and her family considered themself religious
True. Very true.
My heart goes out to Skylar's parents, Dave and Mary. This was a sad case.
Me too. I remember seeing them in a Dr Phil episode, they were so heartbroken and crushed, I couldn’t help but feel their pain too. They didn’t deserve this, neither did Skylar
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It’s Devastating those poor parents
They are still to this day just devastated. Poor Mary and Dave had these girls pretending to grieve in their house
@@lisahughes-sherring8891 Absolutely evil
They couldn’t just unfriend her? What horrible souls
Yea i watched the documentary on this case and it’s pretty evident that she knew about their lesbian relationship which was a large part of the motive. However, like Dr. Grande said, one of them appears to have an extreme interest in what it’s like to kill someone, and rubbed off on the other(quite literally).
Jared Ticer HAH
I know right?
They unfriended her using knife app 🔪 🗡
Cascadian Rangers they were hitmen of the gay mafia
One of the worst parts of this whole case to me is that while it was still believed Skylar was missing, Shelia was posting on Facebook acting like she didn’t know where she was. Saying she missed her and wanted her back home, it’s horrifying to think how manipulative and sinister she is.
That’s worse than being “manipulative” that’s legit psychopathic, and is a clear cut example of how narcissistic and psychotic she is right there. ZERO empathy or remorse for human life
Shelia went to Skylar’s house and cried with her parents!
Classic way to not look like a suspect and keep them off the trail. Other tactics: joining the search party, calling the police about them missing, pretending you were also attacked but got away(Gone Girl), and self defense
Dont forget her tweets of "we really did go on three" "ain't no rest for the wicked" "no can handle me and Rachel if you think you can your wrong". She was tweeting that stuff while acting like a good friend like the tweet "rip Skylar you'll always be my best friend" "the pain is real". Or how she kept going to Skylars house crying with her parents claiming to not know nothing.
@@Kim-HopeForTheMissingit still shocks me, I mean I can’t lie it fascinates me how devoid of any real remorse she can be. Almost like she was enjoying playing the role of the worried friend whilst making those sneaky tweets about actually killing her best friend. At least in court though she didn’t try and put on a show like Rachel and just plead guilty and left it at that. I think it was more insulting to Skylars parents to watch Rachel act like she was so sorry for what happened and how she didn’t realise the gravity of her actions - girl you were 16, you know what happens when you kill someone right?! Not hard.
When I was in high school, if someone didn't like me any more and no longer wanted to be friends they just stopped talking to me. I feel blessed.
I guess this kind of makes being ghosted seem like not such a bad thing.
Horrible and scary. That poor girl.
There were no warnings...🙁
@@moxiemaxie3543 There's always warnings, you just need to open your eyes to the truth
Being ghosted is probably an unintentional merciful act by toxic people.
Calling out a narcissist can always be dangerous in multiple ways. Skylar was a threat of some kind…her negative social media posts could elicit rage
Dr. Grande is thee best at breaking down these “pop culture” murders. He needs his own Discovery ID show.
That's a great idea!
Yes!
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Kay Ren I second this! 💚💚
He could get a deal producing snapchat snippets like Snarled did with their "Something Scary" stories
The dry humor hidden within is what makes these videos astronomical.
Haha it so does! Science class may need revising?! 😂
Agreed 👍 You should watch That Chapter as well, he’s a master class at mixing humour with the macabre! 😄
I wouldn't say astronomical, but rather entertaining at times, for sure.
"hidden" ;p
Yessss
“Apparently she’d just watched a short documentary on how to sustain a head injury and look guilty in one easy step”
Dr Grande is hilarious. On top of fantastic videos. Please keep up the good work!
I would love to see this documentary!
This was a parent's nightmare: A teen sneaks out at night and never comes back.
Yea sure is. It's hard to raise a child especially a preteen and teen in today's world. You can teach morals,self love and everything else in our power to be good parents but they are gonna hear everything regardless if you keep them off social media. The bullying is incredibly bad and it doesn't matter how beautiful or talented you are. Today's world for kids is so hard. I know I have a good kid but we don't know what they really act like with other kids. Its crazy. My unconditional love for my daughter is undeniable and no matter what I still fear things like what happened to Skylar.
@@SusieSynth all anyone can do is provide a wonderful home and hope. Best wishes to you.
It truly is. Which is why I try to encourage parents to allow marijuana/alcohol in the house. That way they can monitor activity when minds are altered and ensure safety of participants. I'm not saying parents should encourage it, both substances should be for adult use only, but the thing is... teens are gonna find out a way to do it if they want. Better it be at home, knowing they won't be in trouble simply for using, than having to sneak off. Also opens up the lines of communication for future issues, when a kid feels like they can tell their parents something that most other adults freak out on.
@@bridgetveralidaine3761 I remember when I was a teen some of my friends could talk to their parents about absolutely anything. The parents weren't hypocrites and the kids didn't sneak around. That seemed very odd to me at the time. The more common message from parents was "Tell me anything, as long as it's something I want to hear."
That's A parents worst nightmare. Imagine Dave and Mary's nightmare. It was her two best friends, one from when she was 8. At the age of 16.
Another great analysis! Who else would love to see some of Dr. Grande's bloopers??
I would love that!
Like there are any lol. No, just kidding, that would be nice to humanize a person who seems so unflappable to us laymen
No way does Dr. Grande have bloopers! He is too perfect! Hehehehe!
I do
There are some in the "sex scandal" video about the religious dude (forgot his name), his wife, and the pool attendant.
If you haven't seen them, you just have to. Hilarious. 😂
The deadpan humor & subtle sarcasm in your videos just cracks me up. Especially when speaking about such horrific & cruel acts. The fact you can insert humor into such dark subject matter (and do so in a way that isn't disrespectful to the victim) really is admirable. Thanks for all the work you do.
Dr Grande has a perfect balance
That's the best kind of comedy,when the joke in no way implicates the victim in a negative way
Love Dr. Grande’s calm delivery.
The striped shirts look good on you. A bit more relaxed, welcoming yet professional.
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@@twincherry4958 😉 It's true, tho. Lol
@@kdelka81 I didn't notice...
@MegaJdizzle27 lmao...I didn't notice what he was wearing! Quit being negative when people tell the truth!🤣😂🤣
I had a crush on Rachel in high school. We shared choir class together, and I had a thing for redheads. I guess I dodged a bullet, er... knife.
Lucky man!
I'm really curious about what you noticed in the trio and then the two girls. Did you see anything strange or noteworthy as far as mental health issues? Behavior?
Dodged a bullet
Too bad Rachel is gay
@@itsjustlaurel1531 Rachel was a typical catty, vapid teen, and I only had a thing for her because she had a red hair, a pretty face, and a nice singing voice.
I didn't really know Skylar. I never shared any classes with her.
Sheila gave me the fucking heebie-jeebies every time I saw her. There was something about her that seemed wrong. Like the conclusions she came to were wrong
"polygraphs are pseudoscientific nonsence" BAM! :-)
@@elises8825 I agree with Dr. Grande's assessment here. In general, I feel he's too ready to take the government's side, but occasionally he gives the government a zinger.
I feel like anyone with any anxiety disorder or under extreme duress would fail a poly, regardless of guilt or innocence.
Absolutely.
AND a tool of manipulation by the police. DAMNNN
From what I know, polygraphs are sometimes used as psychological manipulation of guilty suspects during interrogations.
That being said, polygraph reading is subjective therefore shouldn't be classified as evidence.
Such a mean, callous murder. What a loss for all the families involved. Great analysis Dr. Grande. 💯👍
I know no amount of money compares to a human life, but the lawyers rooked Shelia [sic] and Rachel's parents. They charged them exorbitant fees only to tell them that there was no defense. They should've given them that advice for free. Just goes to show what I think of the legal profession.
This is a really messed up case. What happened to her was terrible.
This case sounded fun.
@CarlyKpdx by fun, I mean the act of killing anyone, and especially a friend sounds fun
@CarlyKpdx yes. That would make it EXTRA fun
I’m PA now live in Star City I know her uncle
CZcams channel- This is Monsters posted a video about this case 3 days ago, with great detail. Skylar saw Rachel and Shelia having sex. I think that’s why they murdered her!😡😡
This reminds me of my nephews murder. He was 15 and killed by his 15 and 16 year old “friends.” The thing that’s haunted me the most is the thought of his fear and horror when he realized they were killing him. I know this case but I haven’t watched this video yet😞
Sorry for your loss!! Their are some very bad people in the world and you can’t trust nobody anymore.. What would drive someone to murder is beyond me.. It’s a crazy world 🌎 for sure.. Well, not so much the world.. But the people in it!!
I'm.all for home schooling. Solve that problem
I'm from the country, and fluent in hillbilly so I'll attempt to translate: 'wrong' probably meant her behavior/demeanor was unusual to the point of being very creepy and disturbing.
@facetiousbadger Thank you for breaking it down for the rest of us. It makes sense now🙏
Either that or... "There's sum'n ain't right about that girl, I tell you what."
@@darkdaxterversionz naw, she ain’t right.
Someone in this video's comments who went to school with these girls said the same thing, Sheila gave him the heebie-jeebies and seemed very creepy and wrong
@@darkdaxterversionz I see you, too, speak the language of my people.
Hey Dr. Grande, you should do a video on David Vetter (the "bubble boy") and examine the ethics and psychological impacts of raising a child in isolation from human contact and Vetter's mental health in general. I think that would make an interesting video!
I hope he sees this! David Vetter and Ted DeVita had such sad, short lives. 🙁💚
This would be interesting indeed.
I think that'd be GREAT. I volunteer. Lol
Watch Bad Boy Bubby a fantastic (and very disturbing) Aussie film about what COULD happen to a man kept from the world by his totally insane mother. Not so much sad, but it makes you think about being kept from the world.
I was in the same hospital as David in the early 80s when I was 11. I had a month long stay and I saw him a couple of times in passing. I think they were moving him for something and my recollection is that he was in a contained gurney.
“A tool of manipulation by the police”
Well said. Pseudo science is big compliment for those tests.
Great analysis
If you call it "stress meter" instead of "lie detector", it actually starts to make sense. Of course the results are not evidence, but you can't legally use them as such anyway (at least, in Russia and many other countries, dunno for sure about US).
@@bingus282 It's not legal as evidence in the US, but what you say during one can be. So if you lie the whole time and fail, fine. If get convinced that they know something and you admit something, they can use your words.
I honestly thought they were just not allowed in a lot off courts as they're not 💯. So slightly confused now lol, as I figured they test heart rate & other functions so was never sure how nerves wouldn't affect them. But I've heard it said loads, some personality types can beat them which made more sense. I don't get how refusing one can be used against you.
@rach_xx3406 I don't think refusing one could be used against someone in court (like as evidence) but the police or detectives will probably treat someone like their refusal to take the polygraph is essential them admitting guilt. And I think some portion of the general population agrees, so if that leaks to media outlets and they report the suspect refused to take a polygraph, I could see that hurting the public's opinion of someone. You said you've heard that certain personalities can "trick" the polygraph and always "pass" which is interesting. Back in 2005, my first year of college, I remember my psychology 101 prof referencing a study that concluded that people who know polygraph tests are not reliable can "pass" them. However, the participants in the study who believed polygraph tests were valid (and had that myth confirmed to them by scientists) were not able to tell lies that the polygraph test didn't detect aka they couldn't "pass" the lie detector test. I am probably gonna do a lil research on what newer studies show cause while I do believe they are not scientifically accurate or reliable, I'm curious if there is a group of people who seem to be able to "trick" them (and if that's just about remaining calm or overall having low neuroticism.)
I love how you make subtle jokes like "it's good her dad didn't take her to the police station in an airplane" while keeping a completely straight face and not altering your tone of voice
My theory:
1) The three girls are all young. Their frontal lobes for good choice making is not all there.
2) The girls frequently smoke pot and drink. This did not help with their rational thought.
3) It’s unclear what kind of trouble Shelia and Rachel were getting into, but this could suggest some psychopathic andNarcissistic traits developing.
4) Skylar catches the other two having sex. Shelia becomes paranoid about Skylar telling everyone. Although this was not the main motive, it was the starting point for the girls to murder Skylar.
5) Months go by. Friction between the three goes. High school girls tend to have friend drama.
6) Shelia continues to build a fantasy of killing Skylar. She brings Rachel in on it as a joke but then the girls become more serious.
7) The motive to kill Skylar because of not liking her/fear of her outing them is slowly replaced by the shared thrill seeking want to kill someone. Skylar is a good target.
8) Shelia leads the initiative but needs Rachel to support her. Rachel is heavily guided by the influence of Shelia.
9) The murder occurs
10) The girls pretend to be innocent and sympathetic with the investigation.
11) The murder and secrecy strain the relationship and the girls slowly distance themselves. Rachel develops remorse (to some degree) and confesses.
12) This eventually leads to the girls being caught.
Developing brain
Habitual drug use
Not being held accountable for their normal shannagins
Personality pathology
Fear of being outed
High school girl drama
Desire to get rid of her
Increase morbid fantasy
Decide to kill for thrill
Murder
Cover up
Separation
Neuroticisms
Confession
Better analysis here than Dr. Grande, IMO. Somewhat similar to the Leopold-Loeb case: one was the dominant partner who seduced the other into murder. They killed just to experience it, and to prove they were Nietzschean "supermen."
Dude. Pot doesn't help make people capable of murder. And they werent even drinking the night of the murder. And there is no indication that they were alcoholics or even mean drunks. The only known thing about them is that they drank underage occasionally. Like most teens.
Excellent analysis!
Did you read the book? Cause it explains a lot of this. First, I don't think Shelia would actually care about Skylar telling or people knowing, it must have been Rachel the one who panicked. Her mother had alcohol/ anger issues and (ironically) was a cristian who beat Rachel up when she got mad.
It probably wasn't about a murder fantasy neither; Shelia and Skylar used to argue often because of Shelia being psycho or Skylar being jealous of RaShe. I think Skylar annoyed Shelia exceedingly until she developed genuine hate for her. Because of Rachel Shelia tried different ways of manipulate Skylar leaving killing her as the last option. There was a hypothesis about how Shelia may have even tried to "seduce" Skylar as well on a trip they were together on june, but Skylar rejected her and it only made the thing worst, so the urge of getting rid of her a month later.
I also think you kinda have prejudices xd, cause there's NO WAY they were100% drunk or stoned 10 months in a row to not knowing what they were doing xd They planed every single detail and were sobber when the murder happened.
Pls apologize my grammar, my native language is spanish 😬
I really wish you would’ve seen their twitter posts after the murder (they’re still there) and even before. I think that it could’ve provided a lot more insight for your video. either way, amazing job as always. thank you!
What does it say!?
@@MsTinkerbelle87 Wish I had more context.... sounds scary though.
Yes. I've been down that rabbit hole. Absolutely chilling.
@@twincherry4958 search Google. As was said above, all the tweets are still online.
@@twincherry4958 context is the murder...
“How to cause a head injury, and look guilty, all in one step,”
🤣 lmao
Somehow I missed that comment! I didn't hear it!
Both of their Twitter accounts were still active (I don't know if they still are) but I saw Sheila's Twitter and she Tweeted "We really did go on 3". Which is a nod to them murdering her. It's scary to see all of the cryptic tweets
That was from 2013. Please look at the dates.
Yet trump is more dangerous huh ?
I know they didn't get life, but I hope they get it. Who can say what might happen to those girls if they ever get out? They stole so much from Dave and Mary Neese. It's not forgivable.
I remember this. I cried every time of thought of it for days. Thank you, Dr Grande. 👍🌹
Me too.
I totally agree, especially they have shown no remorse for their horrible act.
I thought they both got life????
CZcams channel- This is Monsters posted a very detailed video about this case 3 days ago. Yes, Skylar saw them having sex. I think that’s why they murdered her! 😡😡
@@bbe3034 If that's the reason today it would have been acceptable. Sometimes girls are just dumb and become jealous of Skylar but they took it serious.
Have a good weekend everyone! Dr. Grande is a working hard man! 🧡
Exactly
This case makes me so sad. Her parents’ pain just cuts me to the core. I just can’t imagine going through something so evil.
You never see much information on the psychology of rape, rapists and serial rapists. Would you consider doing a video on that, please?
You wanna hear about rapos? Ewe weirdo...
steven sherrier I’m a clinician who works with victims you ignorant fool
@@retroactivejealousy-worldl1805 Lmao
@@retroactivejealousy-worldl1805 🙏🏽
That is a great suggestion. I would be interested in hearing Dr. Grande's presentation on that also.
And those crazy girls helped the parents look for Skylar! This case was 25 minutes from me and it really shook the community
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My days without a new Dr Grande topic are bland.
Pamie Miller relatable! I can Finally recite the acronym ocean no problem although I love it
This case always interested me. Poor Skylar. Thanks for the upload. Having a rough day and your calm voice helps with my anxiety.
My children (at the time were 4 and 6 years of age) were playing at a camp site in the Isle of Wight UK and an older girl, around 10 or 11 years old, was playing with them. She asked if my kids could go to get caravan and I said no, after some pleading from my children I agreed but followed. This girl took my children away from the camp site to another field and was either headed towards a lake in the woods or the main road through an opening in the hedge. I stopped the girl and asked where her caravan was and she was looking around in circles and pointing like she was lost and didn’t know where her caravan was, so we went back to the campsite and play area and I told the girl we were going out and they could play later. When we returned I asked the camp site owners about the girl and they didn’t know who she was - neither did anyone else. I never saw her again but she told me she was staying there abs she seemed happy. Afterwards I had this horrible feeling of dread and thought the worst - maybe she had been told by adults to bring a kid back “to her caravan” - maybe that’s far fetched but whatever happened wasn’t normal and gave me a very bad feeling. After this, I taught my kids that “strangers” are of any age and gender and they can be ugly or beautiful- it can even be another child. Basically, anyone you don’t know and you should never go off with anyone you don’t know
Of course, I also taught them that a lot of the time kids are taken and hurt by people they know - like this poor girl. It’s shocking and terrifying at the same time. You just don’t expect girls to be like this …
They killed her because they didn't want to be friends with her anymore. Okaaaaaaaaaayy.
Yeah imagine that's what it takes to stop being a friend with someone when you don't like them anymore 😂
Lol, my thoughts exactly
All of a sudden, ghosting doesn't seem that bad anymore huh.
@@babblingalong7689 Seriously, right? I hope all my friends know I'm fine with ghosting over being murdered!
@@DonnaLena1 I'd love to learn more about this whole thing now. What are the older women doing hanging out with a 12 year old? I'm assuming 'somehow' she became a threat to them in some way. And had to be quieted.
I hate stories like this. I know it's not really the same but makes me think of Shanda Sharer. Another great video hope you're having a great day 💕
Shandra Shearer. :)
It reminds me of Michele Avila whose "best friend" pretended to be worried about her missing "friend" and emotionally supported Michele's grieving family like Sheila did during the search for Skylar\with Skyar's parents.
@@crystalb4178 yeah some people just have no conscience. One of the most conniving things someone could do. I don't think I know the case you're saying about. Going to go read up on it thanks💕
How do parents cope with something like this? Are there any studies?
I would be interested too hear that !
I have absolutely no idea. BUT, I'll give a little insight into my personal life as a first mom to my (almost) 2 years old daughter.
We, my fiance and myself along with Adrianna Marie, our infant daughter at the time. No more than 4-5 months old. My fiance was pushing the stroller as we went around our development and I had my rescue toy poodle and pet therapy dog on a leash with me on the opposite side of the road.
Some dumbass bitch, driving on the straight, no quick turns or even bumps, area of the street. Eye contact was made and the young girl BEGAN SPEEDING UP AND WAS FULLY AWARE OF OUR INFANT DAUGHTER PULLED AS FAR TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS POSSIBLE. APPARENTLY THIS WAS FUNNY TO HER??? IDK AND PERSONALLY COULDN'T GIVE TO F*CKS. I POLITELY HAND SIGNALED AND SAID PLEASE SLOW DOWN, MY DAUGHTER IS RIGHT THERE.... THE RESPONSE GIVEN BACK FOLLOWED BY EXCHANGE AND ACTIONS TAKEN WERE PURELY PRIMAL AND NOT THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE ASSHOLES LIKE THIS PERSON WAS. HAVING POST PARTUM ANXIETY DOES ADD TO THE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL EFFECTS BUT STILL NO EXCUSE.
THE GIRL ROLLED HER WINDOW DOWN WHILE PASSING BY US AND SAID, "I SEE YOUR KID! FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOU'RE FUCKIN DAUGHTER BITCH!".... MY FIANCE WAS SCREAMING, "STACY NO, STACY GET BACK HERE NOW!".... I FORGOT THAT I WAS HOLDING MY POOR DOGS LEASH IN MY HAND AS I CHASED DOWN THE CAR, ALMOST ALL THE WAY OUT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY NOR DID SHE GET OUT OF HER CAR. I'M GLAD BECAUSE IDK WHAT I WOULD'VE DONE TO HER. BEING POLITE CLEARLY DIDN'T WORK AND I DON'T CARE HOW MANY "FUCK YOU!" STATEMENTS ARE THROWN MY WAY. YOU BRING MY DAUGHTER INTO IT, I'LL CHASE YOUR CAR DOWN AND RIP YOUR ASS OUTTA IT!
NOT PROUD OR BRAGGING BUT MY DAUGHTER, JUST LIKE SKYLAR NEESE'S PARENTS, IS MY ONLY CHILD. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THEY RESTRAIN THEMSELVES AND STILL ARE TOGETHER AFTER THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED CAME OUT. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR SOME DIPSHIT THINKING THAT SWERVING WHILE MY DAUGHTER IS AS FAR OVER AS POSSIBLE AND YOU SAY "F - ME AND MY F-ING DAUGHTER!"?!?! I'M FROM NY AND THAT'S FIGHTING WORDS IN MY BOOK.
My 16 year old cousin was killed in a VERY similar way. I feel like his parents must feel isolated on top of the depression because no one else can fully understand or process what they went through. They "move on" as much as possible, after something like that I don't know if you can ever be carefree or happy in the way you were before the murder. And even 20 years later, it's clear that they still think about it every day.
The siblings of the victims suffer just as much imo
Her Dad read out a victim impact statement at the trail.
They dont, they just have to live on. Its similar to losing a child. Theres going to be ignorant people who will harrass, dox and shame the parents for things they had no control over. You keep pushing and develop a strong support system in order to salvage whatever sanity and reason you have left
I’ve watched all of your true crime videos, Dr. Grande, but this one has to be one of the most unsettling ones.
THANKYOU Dr Grande requested this with others ..such a senseless murder so very SAD!
Yes very sad, so senseless.
@@adrianaandrade8809 L&CN covered this in the courtroom...strange girls
@@franmellor9843 I will check it out, thanks! 💙
@@adrianaandrade8809 the mobile footage of Eddie looking strangely at skylar Neece while listening to their music is spine tingling ..like a hunter looking at it's prey...WOAH!!
Idunno I think it is pretty rare for teens to talk about murdering a classmate and disposing of the body 🤷🏻♀️
Definitely
Not rare enough. Homeschooling all the way
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 home schooling had its own problems.
Hello doctor Grande😉 would you mind to do analysis of Chester Bennington from Linkin Park please 🙏 😊 thank you ❤
this would be great.
A tragic shame. RIP Chester.
Yes please do!!!
That would be great... Chester is not just some dead rock star.... that guy is really interesting to speak about as a human being/great artist/tortured soul.... Yes Dr.Grande....PLEASE do it!!!!
Whoa, I cannot believe it is "normal" for kids to discuss disposing of a friend's body. They might not commit actual murder, but I would whisk my kid off to the therapist asap if I heard that. Am I THAT old that this is normal now?
Fascinating video as usual! This is one of the most terrifying murders I have ever heard about - if you can’t trust your absolute *closest* friends/family...WHO CAN YOU TRUST?! Once Sheila and Rachel decided that Skylar had to go, they still kept Skylar’s trust and by the time Skylar realized she’d been betrayed, it was too late. 😰 That poor girl, she never had a chance with those two. What are the odds of ever even becoming best friends with people like this?! Like Dr. Grande stated, very rarely. Still, I’m so disturbed. Every time I hear about this case, from the time it happened to when I see it in documentaries, etc., I’m always just so sickened and disturbed. RIP SKYLAR. You will never be forgotten. 💞♥️💜🌈🕊
As always, a clear and objective video. But I have to echo some other comments here. I can’t imagine any situation where the killers are redeemable. I am very supportive of rehabilitation and assisting folks with mental health issues; I’m just not sure I can endorse a path to freedom for people who clearly lack any respect for another human’s life and at such a young age. They clearly thought Skylar was disposable, so I struggle with feeling like justice would served by setting them free - being “sorry” is not enough. Mercy? I just can’t find mercy in my heart or in my logic when I think of the mercy they showed their victim when they stabbed her FIFTY TIMES. Supposing we have limited resources - and we do - why not invest those resources in people like Jeni Haynes and other victims? They are far more deserving of a path of any kind.
I agree. I think that these two brutal murderers should have been tried as adults and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
My favorite part about Dr Grande’s videos is that he’s so excited to discuss the topic, that he rushes through his credentials ;)
Love the channel!!
When I was 16, I used to hang out with girls who looked just like them. That's scary.
I still don't understand how they could kill another girl like that. But my personal opinion is, Shelia's a pernicious psychopath who experienced a fascination with death, so she decided to convince her narcissistic, neurotic friend, Rachel, to help her end Skylar Neese's life. To me, everything else is up in the air.
Aside from that, I love Dr. Grande's comment about the erroneous nature of polygraph machines. In the Travis Walton alien abduction case, Walton's coworkers claimed they received favorable polygraph test results, and that proved they were telling the truth. It's too bad that, back then, no one accepted the extent to which those exams are fallacious.
Would love to see your take on the Papin sisters. Thanks!
YES!!👏👏👏👏👏👏
Yessssssss!
This case never ceases to horrify me. RIP Skylar 🌻
There is a lot to be said for being a boomer - when we smoked pot we just stumbled around talking about peace and love.
Oh, for the good old days. ✌✌✌
Boomer gen had more serial killers and with younger people there's more school shootings, that's the main difference I notice. Evil people have always existed, sadly
Lol
@@christmastiger You didn't have many people shooting each other on the streets in GOOD areas, unlike now. 😒
I'm ready to leave this state. Lol
I was a teenage girl once and can't even fathom doing this to anyone. For two of them to be on the same murderous page at the same time, is even more disturbing. Back when I was a kid, if you didn't like someone, you just stopped hanging out with them, you didn't hurt or kill them. I really think they both got into each other's heads about what it might be like to kill someone, probably after watching "Heather's" or something, and Skylar was just handy. Sick little monsters.
Another great video Dr. Grande... your dry humour is priceless....and the only thing that gets me through the stories of these killers. What is it with modern culture?... everything is murder. Almost all the movies on Netflix are about murder or evil of some sort. Maybe you could address this subject too? Why we humans seem to be entertained by killing? Very disturbing imo.
Wow, I was just thinking about heathers while seeing this
Love your insight Dr Grande Thx for the video
Thanks for your time and insight Dr G 👌
Interesting case study! Keep rocking it! Cheers Doc!
This was just sad and kinda reminds me of the case with Michael Williams. Was it that she was trying so hard to fit in that she continued to engage in activities with them whether or not they showed signs of derision?
And this is something that occurs all around. Even with adults. Sometimes we try to hold on to something because of history with the person; although they're displaying traits that are unfavorable or adverse.
In my opinion, these type of cases reinforces the importance of taking a realistic approach when assessing the people in your life. Not every one that are seemingly cordial deserves a friendship status.
Whoa buddy! Posted 37 minutes ago and nearly 2k views! You go Dr. G❣
I do believe you're CZcams famous now❣❣❣
Sad how society paints a Disney picture of having those 1 or 2 best childhood friends in your life, when the reality is--you're lucky to meet anyone worthy of even being called a "friend".
Have to ask if you would ever consider looking into the Jennifer Daugherty and/or Gemma Hayter murders? From what I’ve heard about them, they both fall into a category labeled as a mix of a hate crime and a “mate” crime. I pulled the definition of “mate” crime from the internet (Wikipedia, which I know isn’t the best source, but I have found it usually defines terms fairly accurately):
Mate crime is a form of crime in which a perpetrator befriends a vulnerable person with the intention of then exploiting the person financially, physically or sexually. "Mate" (British slang for 'friend') crime perpetrators take advantage of the isolation and vulnerability of their victim to win their confidence.
I am just so incredibly disgusted by both cases and cannot believe there’s even a “name” like that for their murders!! It would be so interesting to learn more about it. Thanks, Dr. Grande! Keep up the awesome work! 👍☺️
i’ve been thinking about this case recently, i wasn’t sure if i suggested it or not, but thank you so much for making this. skylar needs her story shared.
Skylar will never see the light of another day, why should they? I have a lot of empathy but I just can't find it for these vicious monsters. I do not believe that rehabilitation should be an option. Skylar was given no options. Idk it is very difficult for me to open my heart to empathize with these women.
Looking great Dr Grande ! Thank you for the continuous flow of great content, I really appreciate the time and effort you are devoting for this level of high quality content.
I really enjoy how well thought out and planned your videos are- and your calm demeanor is even more captivating. T
I love watching you try to keep a straight face during your dry jokes.
I mean that in the most complimenting way.
Well played doc.
Your voice is very evenly toned and nice to listen to, and your videos are always interesting.
“The school should revise their curriculum...” stop it Dr Grande! You crack me up while I’m learning about the most macabre subjects... what does it say about me when I’m laughing my ass off and my partner enters the room and hears you saying “both murderers were assessed”...
Taking "Mean Girls" to another level.
Please give us your take on Albert DeSalvo aka The Boston Strangler. Thank you!
Would love to see this.
Dr Grande
Have you thought about analysing:
- Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes
- The Moors murderers ?
I think both of these couples would make fascinating subjects for you to discuss.
Could you also analyse Ernest Hemingway’s personality and mental health factors ?
I’ve watched every single video (documentaries and interviews) and every single tweet about the Skylar Neese case. I even watched an interview with just her parents talking about her and all the things they love about her and I currently joined the Team Skylar Facebook group page and reached out to her parents there. I am currently in school for my master’s degree in Clinical Psychology and a concentration in Forensic Psychology. I had every single one of the same feelings and thoughts as you based on all the information I currently have. RIP Skylar ❤️
You are an excellent analyst and an awesome narrator!
This is one of the most hideous premeditated murders. As a parent of adult children, I cant imagine the pain of her mother and father.
Both smiling in their mugshots? Real winners.🙄
And So I was going to comment on that too. It made the hairs raise on the back of my neck. Absolutely chilling how happy they looked in their mugshots. Unconcerned about their actions and a life they’ve taken.
I thought of that too. Reminds me of Jodi Arias.
It's not their mugshots. Theese pictures is taken/released in 2020
can you imagine their shenanigans while they've been in the same prison together?
My exact thoughts
I had been waiting for this. Thank you, Dr Grande!
This happened about an hour away from where I live. It was just plain sad.
I do not understand why lie detector tests are given since they can't be used in court. Although Dr. Phil gives it a lot of credence.
Thanks Dr. Grande.
Such a treat after a long days work especially for a Friday I so look forward to these videos thank you Dr. Grande. You never disappoint me 😺🎃😎
i’ve memorized your intro lol
ACare15 LOL same!!
This happened in my home state: wow, those are some cold blooded girls, especially the one smiling like a fool in her mug shot. Wonderful work as usual, Doc.
Request: can you do a video on the Adam Walsh case? That case always gave me a fear of Sears when I was young; never left my parent side in that store.
Please do the Melinda Loveless case. I would love to hear your thoughts on that. Especially how she is in prison years after her crime. You should also look at the case of Cassie Jo Stoddart - really shocking case with two teens involved in the murder of another.
Thanks so much Dr Grande, I requested this one from you! The psychosis theory was new to me. Horrendous crime, one of the those I cannot wrap my head around no matter how I try. I feel for those parents, actually the parents of all three girls. Keep being awesome
Most interesting is your take on the sentences. It was important for me to hear that you can be open to a wide range of outcomes. Often we become entrenched in “one side” or the “the other” when in reality it is more balanced to consider a spectrum of options.
Incredibly insightful, Dr. Grande! 🙏
Hi Dr. Grande !
ah! i've been hoping you'd do this case. glad to see this up, glad to hear your opinions!
Thank you Dr. Grande ! I had been hoping for you to do an a segment on the case for a long time !
Having gone through it myself, I've always known that teenage years were, basically, insane but this takes the cake! Now that I have kids going through those years, I try to prepare them as best I can without scaring them --but this case is downright scary and sickening! I listened to your whole presentation (which was marvelous BTW) but I'm still left wondering how these kids were socialized such that they could commit such a heinous crime?
I’m in the same boat. It’s terrifying having a teen girl. Always think of this case and similar ones over the years. We had one like this in Canada. I forget the girl’s name who was beaten and murdered. It freaked me out.
Edit: the girl’s name was Reena Virk. She was murdered in 1997 when I was 16.
Remembering how brains work,, I wonder what triggered the curiosity for murder and death? What caused them to disconnect, sensationalize and rationalize the act? In prison they need to help them find the root of the problem and try to help them process it properly. Possibly medication if there's an imbalance and therapy. Our tax payers money already feeding them and proving shelter, might as well reform them
Cleal Watts III, Dr.Grande. His 6 hr deposition has almost 400k views. I watched the whole thing (don’t judge me :) ) during the lockdown. His story is a feast and I’d love to have a big heaping bowl of it with some scientific information on the side! ❤️
He's got an impressive resume!
That fat man sure could tell a story.
My diagnosis: He’s very creative, well above average. And bat shit crazy.
@Pamie Miller first of all thank you for introducing that beast. Had never heard of that doctor/miner/bouncer/whatever guy. Secondly, if you haven’t so far, do read the comment section of that deposition. It’s as hilarious as the 5 random minutes of the vid itself. I’m going to read a few of those comments everyday for the remainder of the year to cheer myself up.
MRooz stumbling upon that Depo was like hitting the CZcams lottery! I don’t think that I’ve read comments but I will now,
Again you have nailed it Dr. G. Liked your analysis of shared psychosis in this case. Would love to hear your take on Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker if you haven't done this case. Keep them coming and take care.
This is by far the most gut wrenching scary Dateline ever!
I like the end of the video when you talk about leaving them the possibility of gaining insight and leaving open some kind of path to redemption for these girls. Makes me think all philosophical...
Why do people want for wrong doers to suffer? They must believe that it is a sacrifice. If those who create suffering must suffer more, then the average level of suffering decreases.
Dr. Grande, I’m a super fan of yours. You have some of the best content I’ve ever encountered on CZcams and your intelligence dwarfs about 98% of the creators/“influencers” out there. Could you possible do a video on narcissistic mothers/unfit mothers/a toxic mothers dynamic on her children and the rest of their extended families? I’d love to learn about all contributing factors to their behavior and the psychology behind their motivations. I know some things are circumstantial but I’ve noticed you give great explanations for multiple scenarios. Thanks for all that you do.
Yes! A *lot* of progress should be expected!
Thank you for your thought provoking analysis Dr Grande 😊
I wanted to suggest this case but didn't think you'd cover it!😍😍😍
Considering this young girl suffered horrible death, there should be no mercy for people who commit heinous crime. Age should not matter. They knew what they were doing.
I've noticed a common pattern: Three preteen or teen girls create a clique and become aggressive; something akin to folie à deux (folie à trois), I suppose.
Also I notice 3 girl friends rarely work out there is always some type of envy
This is one of the stories I’m obsessed with as a true crime fan, but I stay pray that Skylar’s soul is truly at peace while her parents find theirs!
Would love to see you cover the Jon Koppenhaver case! Watched a video on it earlier but would love to know more of the psychological factors in that case! Love your channel so much!💙
Another excellent video. I would love to see your analysis of Timothy Treadwell.
This would be fascinating. Perhaps looking at the drivers behind those who seek out dangerous situations for extended periods? There's thrill-seeking and then there's I'M GONNA GO LIVE WITH WILD BEARS.
@@RandomOwlExterminators I've worked in wildlife for almost 20 years and Timothy's motivations were often questioned among us that love, yet respect the power of nature. I would love to hear an analysis of what possibly drove him because I don't think it was solely his love of bears.
These glasses looks great on you! Great video per usual. A very tragic and sad story that should have never happened.
On another note: I would loooove for you to collab with kirk Honda on the Channel Psychology in Seattle 😁🙏💫
Another great video Dr Grande.
You have a new fan! I was eating my tea and spat out a piece of chicken laughing at the airplane comment. This was gratefully received by Mazey Rottweiler
Dr. Grande, I agree with every aspect of your analysis pertaining to this story.
As always, look forward to your next video.