Method #1 - turning by tilting the electric unicycle, which will twist and turn in response to tilt due to camber effect (if tilted, a tire tends to roll in a circle). Method #2 - twisting the electric unicycle directly, by twisting the upper body and arms in the opposite direction: twist upper body and arms left to twist electric unicycle right and vice versa. Method #3, while tilting the electric unicycle, twist upper body inwards which will temporarily delay the twist response, then use the upper body momentum to increase the twist response. Regarding the comment about high speed turns, method #1 is used, but the angular momentum of the wheel and tire require more torque to get the electric unicycle to tilt, and the way to generate more torque is to press inwards on the outer upper pad, and outwards force on the outer pedal. That outwards force on the outer pedal requires spiked or otherwise very sticky pedals to keep the outer foot from slipping off the pedal. A rider leans for balance, and tilts or twist to turn. When leaning, what actually happens is the electric unicycle is steered outwards from under the rider to lean the rider inwards, and then the electric unicycle is steered inwards to control direction and lean angle, tilt more to lean less, tilt less to lean more, all of which are forms of counter-steering.
One thing i find interesting is having the power pads prevents you from making super tight turns due to them blocking the stance. I ride with minimal pads and I tried the power pads once but have not liked them so much.
Merci beaucoup Je me suis procuré une Patton et je suis débutante, j’ai rucher pas mal mais mon marie est expert avec sa Sharmana, il m’aide mais comme il n’a pas eu de difficulté lui à embarquer sur sa roue, il ne comprend pas trop comment sa s’agit que moi c’est plus difficile 😂 Breff j’ai commencé avec des binder attaché aux arbres pour me tenir et me donner confiance et maintenant après 1 ½ mois je suis capable de me promener dans la forêt tout seul et je vais sur le chemin de gravier de la maison. Maintenant je souhaite tourner et ce n’est pas encore complètement acquis, mais avec tes explications je vais y arriver. La Patton est pesante et plusieurs mon dit que se n’étais pas une roue de débutante. Par contre, je suis pas assez riche pour changer ma roue qd le temps sera rendu là, alors j’ai acheté toute suite la Patton. Je suis une fille de moto hors route avec quand même assez d’expérience et de Trial, donc je me suis dit que j’apprendrais assez vite.😅 Breff merci pour le tuto Nous les filles on a pas le centre de gravité à la même place donc même si un homme nous l’explique il comprend pas comment nous on doit se placer.😊
Thank you so much 🙏 Well done learning with the Patton not a lightweight wheel to get started 👏 I learnt with the ks16x which was less than 30kg 😉 indeed everyone as their own way of learning and acquiring skills and techniques. woow i wish I had a dirt bike background like you have. Impressive 🙌 keep the practice up and most importantly Enjoy, euc is so addictive 🤗
Tether is good if you fall in off road... it will stop your wheel continuing over cliffs or down embankments into rivers etc. But please, make the tether go to your other side so it crosses behind your back... as you have it in the video at the beginning, if you brush past a tree or something, the tether might hook on and stop you suddenly... I hope you understand what I mean. Good video, thanks
Yes, indeed. I have used the tether off-roading to avoid that the wheel would tumble down rocks and rough terrains, it worked well so far 👍 however I don't think i will use it near a cliff as i am scared of heights so the feeling of being pulled near an edge kinda terrifies me 🙈
I'll be getting my first EUC once the snow melts here. It seems like turning, and a lot of the other movement, is similar to the motions used snow skiing... Can anyone who does both let me know if that is accurate?
Niceee, do you know which euc will be getting to start with yet? I used to do both snowboarding and skiing when I was younger and yes, a big fat yes. At most times riding euc especially at speed makes me feel i am on the slopes again 🤩 depending on which techique you will be using it could be more similar to one rather than the other. But the feeling is there 😊
Greetings, I don't have an EUC (yet?), currently riding an ESK8, but I am really close to pulling the trigger and getting one because it is so new and I wanted a new medium for expression and something to master and I watched some of your newbie videos. My question is that I have seen you do a lot of off-road, could you maybe make a video going over the pros and cons of off-road vs. street? Also how many crashes do you have on off-road vs street? thanks and cheers! 🤙👍
Greetings to you too!! Awesome news, let me know when u ll pull the trigger and thank you 😊🙌🙌 Yes!! Definitely I have a master molicel that i use mainly for offroad and a master 50e that I use for road riding and commuting. I have recently took them to repair and check ( I had a few accidents this month). Generally speaking my offroading master required more maintenance, protection and money spent on upgrades such as the suspension linkage and shock. Whereas my master 50e I am keeping it as stock and works as it should but I don't abuse it as my molicel one :P I will definitely be doing videos on that 😉 🙏🙌 It might take a while to get to love the euc especially coming from an other pev but with patient and determination, love and enjoyment will prevail 🤩😍
I started off riding the Zeus electric long board my body got me into riding eucs about a year ago. I started off with the v12 HS once I got it down I sold it and now I been riding the BEGODE EX30 and it's been a blast never thought about looking back to anything else besides what my next wheel will be 😂
Just as expected, high speed turns are not covered just like any other videos. At high speeds, you are actually pulling the wheel towards the turn using the outer leg and stabilizing using inner leg.
Apologies 🙏 not yet, the weather where I live is icy at the moment, so I don't feel safe making those kind of videos until the weather improves. I also got knocked down on my master by a car yesterday cause it slipped on ice during a turn hitting my right pedal 🥶 On high speed turns yes, I do agree with you, well explained 👍 I would also add that it depends by the type of tyre you use (street Vs knobby) and the degree of the turn too... I am planning to make a video on high speed turns, around April / May as I should be able to attend an event on a private track during that time 😉
@@alexiszakariene didn't mean to come across the negative. Just observing that there are no good high speed turning videos out there. Be careful and love your videos!
Thank you mate! On the contrary, I appreciate your input 😉🙏 you read my mind and I d like to include more advanced videos as well as beginners content. Personally, I cannot wait to go back to the forest, as i d love to bring the channel plenty of mtb trails video. Unfortunately weather and other stuff got in the way keeping the workflow quite slow 😵💫
@@alexiszakariene by the way, you already have a great video on high speed turns! This is fantastic: czcams.com/video/WQtdGwbYXCo/video.html. See how your outer leg is pulling the wheel into the turn and inner leg is relaxed. That's a super nice guidance! Nice job!
Just posting this info" Motorcycle Riders - You're Leaning the Wrong Way" is title of utube vid. There he say for the same issue of turning there are 3 separate turning styles. I thought this was very interesting and adds to our discusion here. 3 different answer to 1 problem just wich one suits you best...
Motorcycles are steered by turning the front tire so that it points in a different direction than the rear tire, while turning on an electric unicycle is done by tilting it (camber effect) or twisting it. What they both have in common is the rider needs to lean for balance when turning.
yes, indeed, thank you for elucidating 🙌 I would add that, especially when using street tyres, the euc riders lean to counteract the gyro effect as well as maintaining balance while the euc tilts. with knobbly tyres, the euc tilts more easily, therefore the leaning degree needed by the rider to turn will be less. Would you agree?
@@alexiszakariene - countering the gyro effect (angular momentum) is only an issue when initiating or changing lean angle. In a steady turn where lean angle is not changing, then there isn't much gyro effect. For a given speed and turning radius, the rate of centripetal acceleration = speed squared divided by radius, and the overall lean angle from tire's contact patch to the center of mass of EUC plus rider is the inverse tangent of the centripetal acceleration divided by 1 g of acceleration (9.8 meters per second squared). Since the pedals are above the contact patch, the rider has to lean at a steeper angle than the overall lean angle in order for the overall lean angle to be correct. Another way to look at this is the pavement exerts a centripetal (inwards) force onto the tire at the contact patch, and the EUC exerts a somewhat smaller amount of centripetal (inwards) force on the rider at the pedals, and the reaction to the rider's acceleration is a centrifugal reaction (outwards) force onto the pedals. The combined inwards force from the pavement and the riders reactionary outwards force on the pedals create an outwards torque onto the EUC. The rider has to counter that by exerting an inwards torque onto the EUC, which requires the rider to lean more. However both methods of looking at this result in the exact same lean angle for the rider. The second method gives a better impression of what the rider feels. The other part you're are asking about is how much the EUC needs to be tilted, which is affected by tire type (street versus knobby) and profile. The 4 inch wide street tire on a Z10 needs much less tilt angle to turn versus a 3 inch wide knobby tire or a 2.125 inch wide street tire. This doesn't affect the riders lean angle with respect to the pavement, but if the tilt angle is less, the rider is leaning more relative to the tilt angle of the EUC. With a wider street tire or at higher speeds, the EUC is tilted less and the rider has to "hang off" to the inside in order to lean enough. Higher speed turns, especially on heavier EUCs, require the rider force the EUC to tilt with significant effort. Since the rider has to hang off to the inside, the rider can pull inwards with the lower outside leg against the upper outside pad (the rider's foot also exerts an outwards force on the outside pedal) to force the EUC to tilt as needed. As for "you're leaning the wrong way" and to follow up on my prior comment, an EUC rider doesn't have much choice. For a given EUC to turn at some speed for some fixed radius, there is only one tilt angle to steer and only one overall lean angle that will work. A motorcycle is also restricted to one overall lean angle, but since the steering is done with the handlebars and not by leaning the bike, the bike can be leaned less if the rider leans more and vice versa. This isn't possible on an EUC, because the tilt angle is fixed. On an EUC, the rider's position can vary somewhat and still maintain the overall lean angle, such as bending at the knees to lower the rider's center of mass.
To be fair, I had a similar experience 😅 it took me a long time to contextualise and translate what I was doing in practice into words... It is still quite a fallible explanation but I ve tried at the best of my knowledge so far 😊
Well at less than 7 km, that's why I'm here, because I DO need to think and understand what I should be doing. I could fall off 100 times and not learn anything, or I could listen to a cute accent and watch this vid :P
Method #1 - turning by tilting the electric unicycle, which will twist and turn in response to tilt due to camber effect (if tilted, a tire tends to roll in a circle). Method #2 - twisting the electric unicycle directly, by twisting the upper body and arms in the opposite direction: twist upper body and arms left to twist electric unicycle right and vice versa. Method #3, while tilting the electric unicycle, twist upper body inwards which will temporarily delay the twist response, then use the upper body momentum to increase the twist response. Regarding the comment about high speed turns, method #1 is used, but the angular momentum of the wheel and tire require more torque to get the electric unicycle to tilt, and the way to generate more torque is to press inwards on the outer upper pad, and outwards force on the outer pedal. That outwards force on the outer pedal requires spiked or otherwise very sticky pedals to keep the outer foot from slipping off the pedal. A rider leans for balance, and tilts or twist to turn. When leaning, what actually happens is the electric unicycle is steered outwards from under the rider to lean the rider inwards, and then the electric unicycle is steered inwards to control direction and lean angle, tilt more to lean less, tilt less to lean more, all of which are forms of counter-steering.
Excellent explanation, thanks a million 👏🤩
I hope you keep making videos as these methodical break-downs of the skills and techniques involved are extremely helpful:)
Thank you so much 🙏 I will try my best this summer to learn new skills and make more videos ☀️ Life had other plans for me at the moment 😊
One thing i find interesting is having the power pads prevents you from making super tight turns due to them blocking the stance. I ride with minimal pads and I tried the power pads once but have not liked them so much.
Thanks for that video. I am struggling with controlled turning. This video comes in a right time.
Nice little video for people who dont understand the mechanics of turning on an EUC. Keep making Videos and I wish you the best. Cheers
I love❤your videos!! Thanks!!🙏
Merci beaucoup
Je me suis procuré une Patton et je suis débutante, j’ai rucher pas mal mais mon marie est expert avec sa Sharmana, il m’aide mais comme il n’a pas eu de difficulté lui à embarquer sur sa roue, il ne comprend pas trop comment sa s’agit que moi c’est plus difficile 😂
Breff j’ai commencé avec des binder attaché aux arbres pour me tenir et me donner confiance et maintenant après 1 ½ mois je suis capable de me promener dans la forêt tout seul et je vais sur le chemin de gravier de la maison.
Maintenant je souhaite tourner et ce n’est pas encore complètement acquis, mais avec tes explications je vais y arriver.
La Patton est pesante et plusieurs mon dit que se n’étais pas une roue de débutante. Par contre, je suis pas assez riche pour changer ma roue qd le temps sera rendu là, alors j’ai acheté toute suite la Patton.
Je suis une fille de moto hors route avec quand même assez d’expérience et de Trial, donc je me suis dit que j’apprendrais assez vite.😅
Breff merci pour le tuto
Nous les filles on a pas le centre de gravité à la même place donc même si un homme nous l’explique il comprend pas comment nous on doit se placer.😊
Thank you so much 🙏
Well done learning with the Patton not a lightweight wheel to get started 👏 I learnt with the ks16x which was less than 30kg 😉
indeed everyone as their own way of learning and acquiring skills and techniques.
woow i wish I had a dirt bike background like you have. Impressive 🙌 keep the practice up and most importantly Enjoy, euc is so addictive 🤗
Tether is good if you fall in off road... it will stop your wheel continuing over cliffs or down embankments into rivers etc. But please, make the tether go to your other side so it crosses behind your back... as you have it in the video at the beginning, if you brush past a tree or something, the tether might hook on and stop you suddenly... I hope you understand what I mean. Good video, thanks
Yes, indeed. I have used the tether off-roading to avoid that the wheel would tumble down rocks and rough terrains, it worked well so far 👍 however I don't think i will use it near a cliff as i am scared of heights so the feeling of being pulled near an edge kinda terrifies me 🙈
I'll be getting my first EUC once the snow melts here. It seems like turning, and a lot of the other movement, is similar to the motions used snow skiing... Can anyone who does both let me know if that is accurate?
Niceee, do you know which euc will be getting to start with yet?
I used to do both snowboarding and skiing when I was younger and yes, a big fat yes. At most times riding euc especially at speed makes me feel i am on the slopes again 🤩 depending on which techique you will be using it could be more similar to one rather than the other. But the feeling is there 😊
Greetings, I don't have an EUC (yet?), currently riding an ESK8, but I am really close to pulling the trigger and getting one because it is so new and I wanted a new medium for expression and something to master and I watched some of your newbie videos. My question is that I have seen you do a lot of off-road, could you maybe make a video going over the pros and cons of off-road vs. street? Also how many crashes do you have on off-road vs street? thanks and cheers! 🤙👍
Greetings to you too!! Awesome news, let me know when u ll pull the trigger and thank you 😊🙌🙌
Yes!! Definitely I have a master molicel that i use mainly for offroad and a master 50e that I use for road riding and commuting. I have recently took them to repair and check ( I had a few accidents this month). Generally speaking my offroading master required more maintenance, protection and money spent on upgrades such as the suspension linkage and shock. Whereas my master 50e I am keeping it as stock and works as it should but I don't abuse it as my molicel one :P
I will definitely be doing videos on that 😉 🙏🙌
It might take a while to get to love the euc especially coming from an other pev but with patient and determination, love and enjoyment will prevail 🤩😍
I started off riding the Zeus electric long board my body got me into riding eucs about a year ago. I started off with the v12 HS once I got it down I sold it and now I been riding the BEGODE EX30 and it's been a blast never thought about looking back to anything else besides what my next wheel will be 😂
My buddy
On street aparently a tether will help in a crash. But in off road I am doubting the tether... That hard turn technique sounds like counter steering.
The cost of the new EUC i think ill have to buy VOLT INU crypto to get the money lol
😅 just don't do like me... I bought dodge coins just before it crashed 🙈
Just as expected, high speed turns are not covered just like any other videos. At high speeds, you are actually pulling the wheel towards the turn using the outer leg and stabilizing using inner leg.
Apologies 🙏 not yet, the weather where I live is icy at the moment, so I don't feel safe making those kind of videos until the weather improves.
I also got knocked down on my master by a car yesterday cause it slipped on ice during a turn hitting my right pedal 🥶
On high speed turns yes, I do agree with you, well explained 👍
I would also add that it depends by the type of tyre you use (street Vs knobby) and the degree of the turn too...
I am planning to make a video on high speed turns, around April / May as I should be able to attend an event on a private track during that time 😉
@@alexiszakariene didn't mean to come across the negative. Just observing that there are no good high speed turning videos out there. Be careful and love your videos!
Thank you mate!
On the contrary, I appreciate your input 😉🙏
you read my mind and I d like to include more advanced videos as well as beginners content.
Personally, I cannot wait to go back to the forest, as i d love to bring the channel plenty of mtb trails video. Unfortunately weather and other stuff got in the way keeping the workflow quite slow 😵💫
@@alexiszakariene by the way, you already have a great video on high speed turns! This is fantastic: czcams.com/video/WQtdGwbYXCo/video.html. See how your outer leg is pulling the wheel into the turn and inner leg is relaxed. That's a super nice guidance! Nice job!
Thank you so much 😊
When I will get the chance, I like to update the video showing different high speed turning techiques too 😉🙌
Just posting this info" Motorcycle Riders - You're Leaning the Wrong Way" is title of utube vid. There he say for the same issue of turning there are 3 separate turning styles. I thought this was very interesting and adds to our discusion here. 3 different answer to 1 problem just wich one suits you best...
Very interesting point indeed. I ll defo watch the video you have reccomended 🙌😊
Motorcycles are steered by turning the front tire so that it points in a different direction than the rear tire, while turning on an electric unicycle is done by tilting it (camber effect) or twisting it. What they both have in common is the rider needs to lean for balance when turning.
yes, indeed, thank you for elucidating 🙌
I would add that, especially when using street tyres, the euc riders lean to counteract the gyro effect as well as maintaining balance while the euc tilts. with knobbly tyres, the euc tilts more easily, therefore the leaning degree needed by the rider to turn will be less.
Would you agree?
@@alexiszakariene - countering the gyro effect (angular momentum) is only an issue when initiating or changing lean angle. In a steady turn where lean angle is not changing, then there isn't much gyro effect. For a given speed and turning radius, the rate of centripetal acceleration = speed squared divided by radius, and the overall lean angle from tire's contact patch to the center of mass of EUC plus rider is the inverse tangent of the centripetal acceleration divided by 1 g of acceleration (9.8 meters per second squared). Since the pedals are above the contact patch, the rider has to lean at a steeper angle than the overall lean angle in order for the overall lean angle to be correct. Another way to look at this is the pavement exerts a centripetal (inwards) force onto the tire at the contact patch, and the EUC exerts a somewhat smaller amount of centripetal (inwards) force on the rider at the pedals, and the reaction to the rider's acceleration is a centrifugal reaction (outwards) force onto the pedals. The combined inwards force from the pavement and the riders reactionary outwards force on the pedals create an outwards torque onto the EUC. The rider has to counter that by exerting an inwards torque onto the EUC, which requires the rider to lean more. However both methods of looking at this result in the exact same lean angle for the rider. The second method gives a better impression of what the rider feels.
The other part you're are asking about is how much the EUC needs to be tilted, which is affected by tire type (street versus knobby) and profile. The 4 inch wide street tire on a Z10 needs much less tilt angle to turn versus a 3 inch wide knobby tire or a 2.125 inch wide street tire. This doesn't affect the riders lean angle with respect to the pavement, but if the tilt angle is less, the rider is leaning more relative to the tilt angle of the EUC. With a wider street tire or at higher speeds, the EUC is tilted less and the rider has to "hang off" to the inside in order to lean enough. Higher speed turns, especially on heavier EUCs, require the rider force the EUC to tilt with significant effort. Since the rider has to hang off to the inside, the rider can pull inwards with the lower outside leg against the upper outside pad (the rider's foot also exerts an outwards force on the outside pedal) to force the EUC to tilt as needed.
As for "you're leaning the wrong way" and to follow up on my prior comment, an EUC rider doesn't have much choice. For a given EUC to turn at some speed for some fixed radius, there is only one tilt angle to steer and only one overall lean angle that will work. A motorcycle is also restricted to one overall lean angle, but since the steering is done with the handlebars and not by leaning the bike, the bike can be leaned less if the rider leans more and vice versa. This isn't possible on an EUC, because the tilt angle is fixed. On an EUC, the rider's position can vary somewhat and still maintain the overall lean angle, such as bending at the knees to lower the rider's center of mass.
I cannot thank you enough for the detailed and clear explanation 🙏 I wish I could pin more than 1 message 😍 excellent clear solid clarification 💪🫶
After 7000km on the clock I do not know how I am turning, I just think what to do and do it :D
To be fair, I had a similar experience 😅 it took me a long time to contextualise and translate what I was doing in practice into words... It is still quite a fallible explanation but I ve tried at the best of my knowledge so far 😊
@@alexiszakariene yeah it is automatic for the body. You also do not think how to walk or run 👍
Indeed 👍 perfect example!
Well at less than 7 km, that's why I'm here, because I DO need to think and understand what I should be doing. I could fall off 100 times and not learn anything, or I could listen to a cute accent and watch this vid :P