BMW i5 M60 X-Drive review. Why this EV will go down as BMW's biggest miss of 2024..
Vložit
- čas přidán 20. 01. 2024
- The BMW i5 M60 is a 600hp EV with monster performance and massive tech but I think it's also BMW's most disappointing car in years..
This video was created with the support of:
www.footmanjames.co.uk/
www.magnitudefinance.com/harr...
www.silverstoneauctions.com/
www.ctek.com
chargestorm.se/en/
Follow me on
/ harrysgaragevids
/ harrym_vids - Auta a dopravní prostředky
i love how harry seems to be completely done with all the nonsense
People who update their iphone model every year love the nonsense..
The front looks like a giant skoda fabia 12:25
The older you get, the less nonsense you are willing to tolerate
But you also begin to realize where are future needs to go and it’s not ice cars
The EV bllocks nonsense? (Not watched the video yet tbch)
The older I get, the more I crave simplicity
Think 2001 was the last of the sweet spot in most cars.
If you can, buy a classic you'll love to drive, a simple, relatively analogue classic. Many will go up in price, the used car market prices have already risen for the past years.
The strange thing is EVs ate simplicity at its best. Few moving parts no engine. Go or stop. It's the stupid tech that goes with new cars of both types that make it infuriating
@@admol73 I agree. Seems like you have to hit 47 buttons just to turn your heater on newer cars. Older cars, turn key, start, put in drive and go.
@@Wipsplash hanging on to my 2011 987.2 cayman s. the important tech is in the engine and gearbox.
So basically they had to force manufacturers to add lane assist to stop you from crashing because they have moved basic controls into a touch screen?
What a time to be alive!
Lane assist won't work properly on many British roads like Harry drives on. This car is hideous.
This is my review of the year already. Finally someone who shares my views when it comes to the desirable future of cars. I don't want "bigger", "heavier" and "more powerful" with every generation of new cars. cars today are big enough (and way too heavy already). What I really want to see is an efficiency race between the brands.
Well said!
That is exactly and the only reason why I have a boring Tesla.
You’ve nailed it there - the i3 and i8 felt like a BMW that was confident in its identity and ready for the future. 10 years later, they seem to be having a crisis of identity.
I think the I3 in particular is a spectacular 2nd hand buy if your usage fits within the range.
They have a new identity based on new market and that's China.
It's neon lights and colourful pottery and less engine options is kinda communist. So there you are, that's BMW's new identity.
@@aleksandaraleksic4067 I don't understand why they think people outside china would like this crap (idiotic colorful screens spouting nonsense, design language meant for 15 y.o chinese)? BMW, just make special models for chinese market and make more normal cars for the westerners, like Audi and MB are offering in Europe.
@@pffyespff The problem is they both sold very badly so BMW assumed they needed more mainstream products.
They dont really commit to EVs so they’re trying the Jack of all Trades approach..and fail miserably with it. But that’s pretty much the German automotive manufacturers in a nutshell 😮
£115,000 is just an insane amount for a 5 series. The world's going mad.
135,000 for a Raptor in America
...and the depreciation rate will be super insane too ... and in 10 years it will go to junk yard ..
Problem is people have too much $$. I went to Benz dealer and was amazed to see middle classs family driving old Rav4 upgrading to GLEs..
$17.79 USD for a bottle of organic juice at my local Whole Foods in California…that’s mad.
* has gone mad
I have never seen a better advert for buying a BMW E39 M5 & looking after it.
Haha exactly!!
At the price in the video, I agree completely--it's way too expensive in the UK. Wouldn't think seriously about it at that price. However, I just got this car in the US with similar options. I love it. It was listed at US$96K; some incentives dropped that to about US$90K. I love driving it. I love the tech. It has a comfortable, easy ride if you're commuting while doing calls, and it is super fun if you want to "drive" it in sport mode. The "expressive" and "digital art" modes are gimmicky and dumb. Still, you never have to activate them--and that's true of several little things in the car's software, but some people may find them a bit of fun. There was a learning curve to figure out the car and get it set the way I wanted. The effort there surprised me. It took about a week or so for most of it and about three weeks to make peace with the driver-assist mode (which I hated in the beginning but now like and find useful). The UX is ok, but not great from a "learnability" and setup perspective. Once you're through the learning curve though, it's great. I'm through all of that now, and, as I said, I love the car. It's very natural and easy to operate. CarPlay/Siri integration is good, and that matters to me. This is one of my favorite cars I've ever had. As to the negatives in the comments re: EV's in general, it's important to note that I use this as a commuter car in Southern California. So, range isn't a concern for me as I'm in a temperate climate, and it gets plugged in every night in my garage. For me, it's a super car. But if someone wants to take road trips or lives someplace that gets really cold and asks me what I think, I'd tell them they might want to wait on an EV until the next gen of batteries comes out in a few years, which many are saying will deliver up to 1000 miles a charge. Someone I was talking to last week said that a friend drove his EV to Las Vegas and was stuck waiting to charge his car for seven hours on the way home! But longer range and improvements in public charging will make EVs an obvious choice over gas at some point. Right now and for some time to come, however, this (or any other EV) isn't a complete replacement of gas cars. I think people should stay practical (as oposed to ideological) with their evaluations, and governments should be careful with laws and incentives that push EVs. Taking a high-level worldview and unthinkingly applying it to EVs (or anything else!) doesn't do much good. Lastly, I appreciated this review, but have to say that people might be right to file at least some of Harry's comments under "grumpy guy who doesn't like things that aren't as he was expecting." ;) But I understand them a bit because, as I said, there was a learning curve I had to get through before I really loved it.
Sober comment. One is wondering if Harry’s review is targeted at UK people or global market. Cost of living has worsened in the UK and to me a bigger luxurious car from a reputable manufacturer like BMW that can do 0-100km/h in 3,8 sec cannot be cheap. Well I respect his review but I think it’s too one sided towards efficiency and not fun. Also the roads the car was being driven on did not look very good and were too narrow.
Great counter review…. but price and drive range of this model are problematic and do need a rethink. I’m guessing the 3 year depreciation will be horrendous too. I think the Idrive system is good having used it in the I4 … overall there are too many red flags for this BMW not least the poor value for money and driving range. In the UK demand for electric cars is slowing and the EV second hand market is struggling due to high depreciation, however charging networks are increasing so range anxiety is becoming less of an issue. I think the next generation of battery technology with a 600 mile range will restore the appeal of EVs which appear to be losing their edge. As for BMW they need to get the cost of production down and be thinking of at least a 30- 40% list price reduction across their entire EV line up to be competitive as well as value for money
You can’t use your phone when driving but it’s ok to constantly press buttons on the dash distracting because of all the crazy driving options
Exactly what I was thinking from the start of this review! scary!
as a pedestrian you won't hear this 2 1/2 Tonne unguided missile approaching untill you're under it!
really refreshing to hear such a brutally honest review though!
the power of lobbyists in action
Definitely need a campaign to Bring Buttons Back!
Digital touch screens are dangerous. Stalks, knobs and button work without looking. The car world has gone nuts, thanks to Elon Musk reinventing the wheel.
Overly complicated, overpriced piece of trendy crap.
This is the best car review I've seen in a very long time. No influencer BS just a straight forward honest review. Bravo.
“ So is this my next Daily” “ I took it for a Coffee” Nope none of that bollocks that’s overdone just Harry in the Car giving it a review.
@@SWR112 exactly.
Proper review indeed
Jonny's Late Brake Show review of the Honda ENY1 takes a similar tone
🤣🤣
I have recently discovered your channel you’re car collection is awesome and I am loving the road trips👌
thanks for being totally transparent. Manufacturers are really struggling with EVs it seems. Range, quality, depreciation, styling...this car is just negative after negative.
I hate piling on the BMW hate, but it's as if they read my mind to find everything I dislike in a modern car and then made certain to include it in this.
Yep, if you really like cars and like traditional interior quality, switchgear and instruments, handsome styling and good drive it's a real struggle buying a new car these days.
@@cw205mi16 Totally agree, it's like the spotty barely out of adolescence designers who were raised on PS3's put all their energy into programming the screens and making the GUI flashy, that they completely forgot to design the architecture around the screens, leaving it all vacant and uninspiring.
@@habsom1406 it's just the beginning of the nightmare. the kindergarten has been the more recent intrusion into the bad, bad, dream of world order scam & groom - and it's for each one of us to consume. caveat emptor.
nice one.
@@cw205mi16got to look at brands like Lexus. Even they have now gone touch screen mad but even last year models like the RX had proper interiors with buttons.
I know Harry doesn't do regular cars that much (because let's face it, he doesn't really have to), but boy do we need more reviewers like this, because all this bullshit has become way too normalized. Especially the interior, I've seen shiny plastics like this mostly on supermarket electronics.
facts, this needs to be pointed out way more. I feel like nobody else has the guts to be honest about it.
A mate of mine recently owned an M4 for a brief period. As we all know it's one of BMW's 'halo' models and not cheap. I was shocked that the cheap plastics and interior trim found in bottom end 1 Series were also used in this car. Cheap hard plastics (like from an Escort mk5) were used in lower interior sections, cheap leather (if it was indeed leather...), unlined door panel storage pockets, it didn't even have those extending under knee sections that slide out from the front of the seats which all BMW's more sporting models have had since the day dot. If BMW are prepared to skimp on the bit of the 'premium' car that we interact with every time we get in it (the interior), where else are they skimping and using cheap materials? Back in the 80's/90's as a kid I would see a BMW drive past and it would ooze quality; the materials used, the factory pressed sharp creases and lines in the bodywork, under stated yet purposeful styling etc. Now when I see a BMW the impression is of a generic lump of plastic with some awful OTT Halfords go-faster bits in the case of M-Sport models ('M' has now been marketed to death to the point of being meaningless..)!!! The quality of all the German marque cars are not what they were anymore (Audi Q2 is garbage where quality is concerned too), but BMW are particularly bad now in this regard. Going into automotive future I really can see a big move away from BMW/Mercedes/Audi as they are getting so hard to justify purchasing over mainstream manufacturer cars; the quality is no longer there, mechanical layouts are like any other thing on the road (3 cylinder FWD 1 Series??), they are far from exclusive anymore; the 5 Series and E-Class are simply the Granada/Carlton of today and starting prices for the range of over £50,000 are just insane and cannot be justified. I myself have owned many 80's and 90's BMW's and won't be going back anytime soon..
I don't think I've ever seen another Harry video where he was more annoyed before even leaving the house! Well done BMW
Great video again Harry. One thing I did think of whilst watching though - Do you ever get to hear back from the manufacturers whether you give a good or bad review?
It's a good job they optioned the carbon wingmirrors to help reduce the weight to only two and a half tonnes for this "M" car 😁 Also, shout out to the old Morris Minor out of nowhere at 13:57 !
Yep, she was a beauty
I'd rather have the Morris Minor, such simplicity, than any modern car with all its computers and gimmicks. How distracting is trying to do things on a touch screen whilst driving.
A much greener car.
This Minor was cool wasn’t it??
😂
Formerly a driving machine. Now, an arcade game.
I wonder if all of the electronics hold-up, when driving on some of Britains Flooded Roads.
Yep. This is what happens when millennials make cars.
@@BassicVIC excellent summary - but hey - work life balance is o.k.ish for them and with less sold cars there is even more life at work 🤣
When Sabine took the wheel of my E36M3 and smiled, that was a BMW. This car should be marketed by Zanussi. Oh how the world has changed. And the politicians are in charge!
Glad i grew up in an era of exciting cars. Keep up the good work Harry, this is spot on. When I drove a Twizzy on the launches they made more sense than this. How can movong 2.4 metric tonnes with no matter what power source be a sensible option???
It's NOT Politicians....read that again. Its those Unelected and Unregulated Eurocrats in Geneva - exactly the same people who developed CBDC'c. Politicians are only puppets (think Tony B.Liar and WMD in Iran)
2.5 tons , barely 200 miles range, a nanny computer and 10% losses when you charge it..... All for over £100k ...... Where do I sign ? Sounds awesome !!! It's a ridiculous car for ridiculous people. What is going on a BMW these days. They have lost the plot !!
Great honest review as always Harry . I wonder if BMW will be so quick to lend you another car to review in the future 😂
So refreshing to hear the truth about all this unnecessary tech! What happened to the world's best dashboard designer?!
it´s so sad BMW has become one of the ugliest out there, i love the last gen % series so good looking especially the m5 cs, but this is just sad.
@@sebastianjo752 What's even sadder is that this is the least ugly car in the current BMW range.
@@peto22the BMW mustang (8 series) still looks okay
He left.
I always hated BMW's interiors. They always looked kinda outdated compared to Audi equivalents. Now they are very modern. I love them.
To dangerous to operate a mobile phone while driving? how the hell can BMW expect drivers to use those modes and controls without them taking your attention away from the road?
gotta lease the optional co-pilot pkg.
I agree, far too much interaction with the operating system and unnecessary input, one would assume this should fall in to the same parameters as mobile phone usage, but something shouts blind eye turned about this, humans are being de sensitised to what is real and what is artificial, as in having to choose which sound you like, its the generation brought up with computer games, step in to the Lotus Elan or a MX5 etc for the real experience and 1/4 the weight. Cant help wonder what this will be worth in 10 years let alone 30 or more. And I thought BMWs were the ultimate driving machine!
And 600hp for a potential fast car novice
You can’t! It’s all politics, with politicians banning things willy nilly for posturing purposes
I have an I4 with one of these screens you get used to it like any other car. People who complain about it tend to only have a limited amount of time with it. Spend a bit longer with it day to day you get used to and it is quite intuitive operating system.
I loved the morris going by as you’re pulling out of a junction in the alleged “future” of motoring. Fantastic.
Also I’m a watch lover and you have quite a collection. Can we have a mention of what watch you are wearing at the start of the videos. 😂
4:17. Best part of the video? Seeing that beautiful half-century-old Elan Sprint in the background!
Can you imagine the depreciation on this?! Literally free fall!
Like all premium cars. In Norway, a 7-series top spec from 2021 i down from 190k$ msrp to about 90k$, thats in 3 years.
@@TheSteinbitt in the UK they fall further, always have done. Even back in 1990, brand new 750iL was about 75k; three years old they were £15k
In the USA you can buy an F150 lightening for $7000
@@lindman399 WTF no that was a misleading meme.
If it doesn’t strangely burst into flames…
The “Personal Art” segment was utterly hilarious. “Will you shut up now please?” 😊
hilarious - the little car that weighs 2000+ and conks after a few minutes with/ a battery that seizes up long term in winter - even at the charging port, you are stuck and must be towed out - now you can 'receive instruction' on 'art' while you drive - prefiguring (and preparing you for the inevitability of) not driving period! game & who knows what - but it shouldn't be driving - just can't have that!
Can't believe that was real. A voiceover explaining how purple bordello lights are 'art'
@@winstonplatt7354- In an extremely annoying German accent as well. Couldn't they at least have found someone who could speak English? I say that as someone whose first language isn't English either.
Your reviews always get straight to the point and they are the best in the business thank you Harry. I truly don’t understand why BMW aren’t making properly innovative, driver focused cars any more. It seems there is more money to be made from producing overpriced cheap tat that you’d expect from lesser brands. I don’t suppose that business model with last long…
Thank goodness for Harry, Straight talking guy. Thank you Harry. ☘️
Harry telling BMW's 'Artistic' mode to shut up is already a highlight of my youtube year ! 🤣🤣
Are you sure it wasn't Autistic mode?
that was my favorite part for sure. I'm always amazed cars that go thru millions of research end up with decisions like that
Thank god you can get carbon fibre wing mirrors and rear spoiler to save weight.
The rear spoiler is essential to keep the rear wheels pressed into the tarmac.😀
I'll bet they're just cheap plastic
@@unklian9221thats not technically true
😂😂😂
@@theotherchannel2028 Doesn't matter, carbon fiber sure is strong but it actually weights more than plastic. So the cf is not saving any weight, its adding it.
I really wonder what will happen say, 10 years down the line.....when all the tech has started to fail and requires repair/replacement at huge cost. My daily is a 121K miles 2012 tdi and I can drive the 250 miles to see our son, potter around for a week and then return home on a single tank of the black stuff.
No hurry to change it for one of these crazy machines....besides my previous tdi managed 320K miles @ 50mpg...so its hardly run in....
Great video- your honesty and sensible thoughts are appreciated. DC
I love the fact you were so expressive even if you didn’t select that mode in the car. It’s really good to hear opinions like that. I really want you to review a Rolls-Royce Spectre, after all these two will share some components, to see if you think the upper echelons of BMW Group hit the mark, with the other marque.
£115,000 and 210 miles, an absolute bargain.
😂😂😂 💀
21:45
Mental isn't it
@@cjb514 I've got an BMW I4 EV and it'll do 300 miles on a full charge. So you were saying about no range....
I guess really, here in Norway it will be 200k
Harry I couldn't be happier seeing another journalist feeling and experiencing the same I have.
😂I have watched your video too. These cars are so expensive but so nonsens.. will keep my e46 M3 and drive it for the next 40 years 😅
@@christianfloehr EVs should be cheaper then petrol cars, motor is simpler gearbox with 1 gear, battery tech has evolved. Seems like they milk the customers.
I bet your fuel economy was even worse with your high speed testing. All the best.
And I’m happy you both share your true opinions and don’t pretend it’s all great. Many of the influencers do it a bit too much these days.
I bought a BMW, cuz "driving pleasure". BMWs today, are build for the chinese market. Good luck BMW!
19:42 This is really important point and glad you are covering it. In real-world terms, every three charges, the lost energy could have powered your house for a day. Over 60,000 miles, you will lose (and pay for) 1,920kwh during the charging process, enough to power a typical home for two months.
It's worth reducing charger and battery energy losses. But powering an efficient EV from the electric grid, even if it's mostly natural gas power plants, is FAR more efficient overall than refining oil, shipping petrol around, then blowing it up in an engine. If you really care about efficiency, use an e-bike for most of your trips - 0.025 kWh per mile!
Not forgetting that the Range will drop dramatically - with spirited driving! Also the frequent Stop-Starts in traffic - you have to get 2600 kgs moving each time, and that costs Range.
@johnmaslen Charging losses are no secret, but neither are the losses of mining, refining, shipping and burning fuel. It's a pointless exercise to work out the losses in the way you have unless you are doing a side-by-side comparison.
For example, even ignoring losses before petrol reaches the car's tank, the average petrol car is only about 20% efficient in converting the energy in the petrol to motion. Over those same 60,000 miles (assuming an above-average MPG of 40) you will lose (and pay for) nearly 40,000 kWh of energy in the fuel just from the car's own inefficiency, which is enough to power that same typical home for over 40 months.
Just edited this. I am so exhausted by responses like this. Is there no ambition to improve or make things better, or is it just about shutting people up with 'what about' arguments. It's worth discussing as something to be improved.
@@johnmaslen let's not stop talking about it, but let's have a fair comparison. If it's efficiency we care about, let's find the most efficient. If it's cost, let's find the cheapest. It's unfair to point out one relatively minor inefficiency in isolation without considering the alternatives or the bigger picture
Those warning comes in handy if you live in Brooklyn, NY where there is a speed trap, light trap, lane trap every quarter mile. I do enjoy your reviews!
Harry just killed the UK sales for that monstrosity. Excellent work !
I think BMW already did that.
Most people get the much cheaper, better to drive, lighter and way more efficient eDrive40 anyway
Truth will set you free. This is a feast of fat laden, pure hard to swallow woke (yes BMW YOU ARE ASLEEP AT THE ELECTRIC WHEEL) busting TRUTH.
BMW, ignore it at your very existence peril.
That was already done 4 years ago when someone at BMW thought it was a good idea.
Sorry to break it to you, but BMW sold more cars in 2023 than at any other year in their history, because not many people share your opinion in the real world.
Crikey, Harry's level of exasperation says it all. Spot on as usual. Would love to be a fly on the wall when BMW UK's press department are discussing this video!
They probably won't even discuss it, after all they didn't listen to any feedback about the god awful front grills they've been putting on cars for the last few years.
I think it's the sales numbers that will drive any changes. Not youtube videos.
I think it's the sales numbers that will drive any changes. Not youtube videos.
Great info about loosing electricity whilst charging...I never realised that.
I shall look forward with interest to your review of the new Porsche Macan EV when you get your hands on one....also the Audi Q6 e-tron too...!!.
The new 5 series is the height of madness. Give me an E60 Chris Bangle 530i any day instead. Harry, you are right to call out the madness.
Thank you, Harry. BMW's used to be sporting cars, fun cars. This thing is a monstrosity.
Looks like a big bmw muscle car. Completely disagree. Their sales disagree too
You like this 5200 lb., $138,000, electric thing? What do you think the depreciation will be after one year? @@user-my4xu4gf1z
If we all drove normal-sized cars with a ~150-200bhp engine, weighing ~1,500kg, with a small electric motor that would do 40 miles on a charge, our personal transport environmental problems would be largely sorted. (And it would be safer for cars/pedestrians we hit.) 40 miles covers most journeys and means a small battery - less pollution from heavy metals.
Most of us could do that. We don’t need pointlessly heavy SUVs/crossovers (you can have an estate for extra space). We don’t need 500bhp in a family car. Or even 300.
And we could still have sports cars, etc. for occasional fun.
The current situation is what happens when you let people selfishly do whatever they want - and allow big businesses to propagandise them through advertising to ‘choose’ to drive needlessly large vehicles.
And the government have no intention of improving the charging network because rich people have driveways and garages, so they’ll be fine. That is the key problem with electric cars - or do you have spare hours a week to ‘fill’ your car? Electric cars are still the preserve of the rich - the poor will be shafted once they’re forced into them.
Ultimate Ridiculous Machine
@@julianevans9548 I think the term ‘use case’ is going to become a necessity when choosing your mode of transport in the future. I’m about to buy a high quality car with around 20,000 miles on the clock for less than half of what it cost 40 months ago. It has an aluminium ladder frame topped with a carbon reinforced plastic shell; it’s v strong. It has a 42kwh battery that’s thermally managed that’s well ahead of its time and a range of 160 - 170 useable miles and a flat charging curve from any SoC right up to 85%. That range might slightly increase in warm weather or when the topography allows and it might reduce to 140 in freezing, wet and windy conditions. It’s a BMW i3 and quite brilliant, at least for my expectations. My wife will drive to work and back four days a week and we’ll use it locally 90% of the time, so that 175 range will cost us 1p a mile. On longer journeys we’ll add a charging strategy to the challenge of driving to Cornwall or Norfolk and enjoy testing our efficiency tactics. Everyone needs something different, just as long as it doesn’t poison the air we breath 😊
I love how they add distractions galore, then put on an unneeded safety feature
That's the EU for you. Coming this year to EVERY new car sold.
Safety features needed, distractions not.
That infotainment or whatever it is.. more dangerous than clicking on your phone
@@christianburch479 Safety features are not automatically needed. It's the blanket "safety always good" sheep thinking which leads to stupid shit like this.
Isn’t it better that there’s more safety features when there are also more distraction’s? Why would you want less safety but more distractions. If there are more distractions, more safety is a plus. Feel’s like common logic but hey, I’m just a crazy pizza mascot!
Finally a fair review of these new cars. The price inflation is just madness, and you get a screen with no buttons for it!
It will be interesting to see how many of these are sold in the UK, very few I would imagine. I look forward to your piece on EVs.
What sets Harry apart: He's not like most CZcams'ers who would review this lump by sitting at a charger for an hour. He drives the damn thing then takes the piss out of BMW who have lost their way.
they pretty much "lost it" when they failed to make engines that last at least while in guarantee+ charging for heated seats 😂🤡🚩
They lost their way 20 years ago
Most CZcamsrs need cars from manufacturers for content i.e. to make $$$
Harry's made his money, so he can speak freely
If we all drove normal-sized cars with a ~150-200bhp engine, weighing ~1,500kg, with a small electric motor that would do 40 miles on a charge, our personal transport environmental problems would be largely sorted. (And it would be safer for cars/pedestrians we hit.) 40 miles covers most journeys and means a small battery - less pollution from heavy metals.
Most of us could do that. We don’t need pointlessly heavy SUVs/crossovers (you can have an estate for extra space). We don’t need 500bhp in a family car. Or even 300.
And we could still have sports cars, etc. for occasional fun.
The current situation is what happens when you let people selfishly do whatever they want - and allow big businesses to propagandise them through advertising to ‘choose’ to drive needlessly large vehicles.
And the government have no intention of improving the charging network because rich people have driveways and garages, so they’ll be fine. That is the key problem with electric cars - or do you have spare hours a week to ‘fill’ your car? Electric cars are still the preserve of the rich - the poor will be shafted once they’re forced into them.
@@cjb514Partly down to EU regulations...
The refreshing thing about Harry is he can give an honest opinion without fear of getting sacked
I gave up reading car magazines years ago. But I do wonder about what they are saying on EVs. Never got that EVO style of journalism rating cars by driving on empty B roads, probably why I’ve never owned a Porsche but do enjoy my high powered Mercedes.. especially when passing a GTR whatever on the motorways.
@@dominicwood3750 Thats why Harry's garage is still the absolute best Car channel and Azizdrives has skyrocketed because he is honest too.
@@Baujahr90erAG Honest Harry yep like it
Exactly. It's painful to watch channels like Munro Live.
I like that he mention this charging loss. It is horrific that you loose 10% of the electric energy that you have paid just to fill up the battery. No one would accept to pay for 44 litres of gasolin if you only recieved 40 litres in your tank. But on EV´s it is allright.
EV fan here (and i3 owner) and I think your appraisal is spot on, having an overweight EV plays to its weaknesses. They should be focusing on getting the weight down and improving efficiency then better driving dynamics and range will fall into line
Great honest review. Thank you Harry for being untouchable,, it is a rare feat among CZcams car reviewers.
I like the subtle integration of the radar in the front that just flows with the design.
Room for a second reg plate
Just as subtle as BMW's design and marketing departments' descent to insanity
🤣
how do they find such skilled designers......
This is why we value Harry as a reviewer, he’s happy to give his honest knowledgable thoughts on cars he tests without fear. He will simply tell it as it is. Personally I would say he’s 100% correct in his sum up of this car 👍
he is a cool customer.
Couldn’t agree more. He clearly wants to be enthusiastic, failing that he wants to be helpful. But regardless he is honest. He reminds me of that line from Almost Famous, “if you want to be a true friend to these guys, be honest, and unmerciful.”
Have you driven it ?
it is sad all these reviewers get the M60 though. eDrive40 is so much better it is insane you would ever get the M60
yeh hope Harry stays impartial in his review not like carwow clearly German sponsored marketing machine
New iDrive a complete nightmare. I bought the new iX1 and since I drive a mix of urban & rural roads, I could not bare the lane assist and added to the fact that the rotary wheel wasn't on the iX1 then all my interactions with the iDrive was done by reaching across to the touchscreen and trying to de-select the lane assist while driving, safety my arse! Traded car back in after 2 months. Awful. And for those who say we are now supposed to talk to our cars, well not me...I will not speak to a car..ever!! The world is gone mad. Im now happy as can be in a the X5 45e 2020, what a car!
I love the honest and refreshing take from Harry's Garage, there are a few motoring journalists, that have swapped journalistic integrity for the EV pound. And are now becoming the ev manufacturers choice due to favourable reviews. 115k for a 5 series car finance is ruining the market for everyone.
@harry I would love to hear your take on Car finance and its advantages/ disadvantages.
Keep up the good work!
Watching Harry's eyes darting around the cabin as he's trying to change settings with the control systems tells you everything you need to know how unsafe these tech monstrosities are on the road. For the one simple reason: that these controls are not intuitive and you have to take your eyes off the road.
Overly complicated and dangerous I thought the same thing
are you an OAP? Shall we go back to one dial, temp and oil or would that be too much to handle for you?
@e36man328i as it happens, yes. Which also means I've a wealth of experience and many miles under my wheels. Also, having taken four driving tests; car, motorcycle, armoured car and tank, in Northern Ireland, England and West Germany, I can attest that anything that distracts from the business of DRIVING the vehicle is not clever. Consider me an analogue man in a digital world if you must but my favourite car was a Golf GTi Mk1 1600. As analogue as they come and all the better for it. Sorry but BMW has lost the plot with this one. Oh, wait. They did that with the X6.
You're meant to talk to iDrive 8 and above not touch the screen. Ideally name your car to make interaction easier
Yet, depending on your country, you can be fined and get points on your licence for operating a smartphone when driving. Even if it is in a holder on your dashboard. I do not advocate the use of a smartphone whilst driving, but fail to see how the law allows essentially the same thing if is an integrated screen on your dashboard. The lunacy is most obvious when you can't use your smartphone directly, but can operate CarPlay/Android Auto if is displayed on your car's screen, regardless of how large or small that screen is.
Grille now looks like a Skoda 🤭
Tbf it looks like a skoda because skoda copied BMW
Now I've had an EV for 2 years, and whilst it is great for transportation, the driving experience is quite numb. I'll get another EV, but as a "daily" and have decided that I need a fun car in my life, 6 cylinders at the least. Thank you Harry for sharing.
You've just highlighted everything I've noticed in EV's, love to see you review the new Polestar 4 being UK designed and Chinese built!
I think I'll keep my 10-year old, 140,000 miles 530D thanks... its still drives like a dream!
10 year old 530D, nice. Before Munich Waivered......
And I’m gonna keep buying parts for my manual E39 528i and my E46 330i sport. Even if I could afford a modern bmw, there are hundreds of better ways to spend the money.
So does my Jag XF. 15 years old this year and drives like new. I wonder how many new EVs will still be around in 15 years?
Ditto with my 15 year old 550i. This obsession with tech is simply ridiculous. BMW need to simplificate and add lightness!
Love my 2018 535i. Easily can hit 260kmh
Anyone can make something complicated, only a genius makes things simple.
Exactly, make it as simple as possible and only as complicated as needed
Poor Harry has to be annoyed with the prison guard's voice.🤣😆 The best thing in this video was the Morris Minor convertible😍 and it's also the best for the environment because it still drives and will drive👍👍
I absolutely agree with you Harry having run an EV for 4 years.
My Jaguar I Pace is a brilliant, sporty drive & I cannot fault it but as for EVs in general….. When I purchased mine in 2020, public rapid chargers were 38p kWh they are now 79p kWh !!! You can’t get anywhere near 200 miles at a constant 70-75mph & it then costs you £50 to do another 150 odd miles!! Ridiculously expensive & a no go as a touring car.
They are overweight with a massive purchase price.
I expected after a very large initial deposit on my I Pace to make up to £10k on the RV thinking I was ahead of the curve at the end of the PCP but instead, it is worth £7k less than the final balloon!
I have no choice but to hand it back & buy a big petrol or diesel of comparable size & performance..
It’s absolutely criminal, unjustifiable & I’ve lost a lot of money! Never again will I buy an EV. It’s been a very expensive & bitter pill to swallow.
Ooof... This will all come out in the wash. I expect a BBC Breakfast report about the 'Sea of unwanted electric vehicles' will be incoming in the not too distant future
In 3 years time who is going to want to buy that car? You’d have to be clinically insane.
It appears no one wants to buy one now looking at the discounts available!
My gosh BMW managed to make their grills even worse without a combustion engine behind it... Hard to think of another car brand that has drifted so far from it's heyday.
I stopped considering BMW once they put the hideous grills on their cars a few years back.
When did we say was the last time you walked past a BMW dealership? I won't ask when was the last BMW you ever owned because I already know the answer - never. Here we have one more manifestation of a major problem of our times: Internet sofa experts confidently and proudly expressing absolute convictions!
Keep crying and moaning. The company is living its best days ever, and their sales numbers are skyrocketing
@@hassanger8128 Business fleets are huge part of modern sales numbers. 38% of sales are either financed through BMW's own bank or just plain leasing cars. Not to mention all the plugin hybrid tax advantages of cars that rarely get plugged in.
@@uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039 he is talking about looks. You don't need to drive, own or even sit in a car for that. You only need 1 eye, vision and have one in your eyesight. It doesn't even need to stay there for long ...
Thanks for a proper honest review! Seems that you need to drive your diesel RR or the project 8 for some rehab 😅
If you parked in an insulated garage and charged overnight, you’d come back to a nice warm garage after your 5kWh losses had heated it up!
Thanks for highlighting that Harry. Knocking 10% off the efficiency of EVs is massive!
I loved seeing the old Morris Minor drive past at the intersection
10/10 review. This is a prime example of why "Harry's garage" is a cut above the rest. Thank you going deeper into the analyse of EV charging flaws, as to why nobody else comments about or measures the charging inefficiencies, I suspect the rest of the journalism world simply don't understand the engineering behind it or are afraid to say critically negative things about the manufacturers and their products, which in this case would harm the general marketing push of an EV world. Without these critical opinions formed from actual data and test results, unrefined and low effort products are allowed to be passed off as a normal product. This is a vehicle designed by a feel good marketing department with the engineering team in shackles, a vehicle fit for people with more money than sense. I applaud you for highlighting this. 👏
you only like his review because you agree though
Ah yes, the classic rich people don’t have taste argument lol
Do you not understand the importance of objective testing data?
Thanks to Harry we know that this car weighs 600kgs more than ICE variants, costs almost 2x more than those variants but doesn't have quality reflective of that price, wastes 10% of the charging electricity to the atmosphere and has less range than advertised.
Whether or not people like it is irrelevant, these are hard facts that automotive consumers should be more concerned with, lest we want OEMs to continue produce subpar products for the sake of marketing nonsense. @@CyAn-S
Rich people wouldn't touch this car with a 20foot pole. Only upper middle class fools on a lease (or corporate fleets) are the sorry targets of this product @@therpope
@@therpope That's not the argument he made, at all. The car isn't distasteful because it's for "rich people" - it's objectively distasteful because it's an ugly monstrosity with poor range, a horrible user interface, dull driving dynamics and a massively inflated price.
One hell of a review. Thank you Harry.
I was watching this review, grinding my teeth. What the hell has happened to BMW? I own a 2007 E92 335D, I've had it for 14 years, I used to change my cars for something different (and usually somewhat sporty) every six months. So, I think that 14 years of ownership show how I feel about my car....but I'm nearing ready for a change, and it won't be a new or newish BMW. They've just absolutely slaughtered their design language, so that they can chase Chinese sales. (I saw some French guy looking extremely proud of himself as he drove is iXM the other day. He just looked like a rich, tasteless twit(but it's his money)). Personally, I like tech, but all tat going on inside and outside that car, just feels like it's designed to appeal to someone that buys their goods on Wish.
I'm going to take some deep breathes (pretend that Chinese ownership isn't an issue) and replace the BMW with a 3 year old Volvo V60 T8, that should satisfy my love of tech, without the dashboard looking like a laptop sales display. For purist driving pleasure, I'm putting a classic, immaculate AW11 MR2 in the garage, alongside my small collection of motorcycles. I'll revisit the EV question when we start seeing some true innovation, like the i3 did, and when solid state batteries are in production and are as game changing as they're alleged to be.
*I haven't really formatted this comment, I've left it in rant form.
Harry Love your videos.
What cameras are you using?
We get to see, for the first time, a slight expression of anger in Harry's face.
Well done BMW!!
A really nice touch of Clarkson while operating those stupid modes😁
What a wonderful review!!!
2.5t, 240 mile range if lucky, £115k price tag, lose 10% energy when you fill up. And not even enjoyable to drive!
Harry says it as he sees it - courteous but bitterly honest!!!
The 10% thing will happen to literally ANY electric device... everything from your toaster, TV, microwave, Laptop etc
And it will break all sales records. As usual with any new BMW
@@hassanger8128 yes, you’re probably correct!!!
Well said Harry, someone needs to push back against the nonsense. The grill lipstick tells you all you need to know about its target market. And the price is breathtaking. My previous gen 2023 Alpina B5 Touring cost less than this new, including options.
Hi Harry as always love the content which I've be watching for years & i was wondering if you would at some point do a review on the MG 4 X power. I work for a MG dealership part time in the Midlands as recently drove one & wow the acceleration is amazing!!! Lambo watch out....Regards Chris....
I’ve never seen Harry upset before .
I'm increasingly concerned that the 90s was peak humans and it's all downhill from there
Completely agree... I long for yesteryear and feel bad about the level of human stupidity my kids will have to endure.
Basically, the western world went downhill after 9/11. The 2000s caused the proliferation of consumer technology for technology's sake (rather than asking if it actually benefitted consumers).
Something, especially after 2015 it got really obvious.
@@dibrom6981the 456 was the last Ferrari with pop up headlights and cars in general i think there were the lotus esprit and the c5 corvette. Great engine on the 355 though, and looks, and size, and noise...
I would say peak car happened between 2012-2020 when DSG and automatic transmissions grew refined and diesel and petrol engines reached excellent economy levels. Tech was great with ABS but without the utterly disgusting lane keep assist. Nice interiors made of genuine leather - sigh
I’d like a whole video explaining efficiency and power losses. This is a fascinating topic that can lost in marketing double-speak and smudged facts!
Almost 9 minutes before we see a smile on poor Harrys face .. and its for stripes on the seatbelt . I don't know if i should 😂 or 😢 !!!
those stripes must've come with the order at no cost then?
Ooof! Harry, you NAILED IT! 👍🏻 BMW used to be known as 'The Ultimate Driving Machine'. Now they seem to be for people who do not know how to drive for themselves! What a load of over-priced, heavy, nanny-state, non-premium material quality, GARBAGE! Where are the ergonomics, driver involvement, premium feel, and excitement? AWFUL MACHINE! BRILLIANT & FRANK video Harry. Thank you for being so honest...You have restored my faith in motoring journalism. 👍🏻
Wait till "Dave takes it on" sees this, Harry wont be popular just another EV hater 🤣
Last time i went to a Bimmer dealership the only shoppers there were 60+ with failing eyesight. Perfect demographic seeing as you would have to a bit slow and blind to want one.
they have the discretionary $ - that is a much-admired car for this boomer set. makes them feel hip & young. and they care about the natural world and life on earth being preserved for their grandbabies. @@benbennit
Give me an old straight six 5 series Beemer any day, had one in the late eighties didn’t cost me an arm and a leg,was a great car..
I’ve often wondered what the charging efficiency of electric cars is and whether this is taken into account when stating cost per mile. I think we have part of the answer now at least. Thanks Harry.
I drive a bunch of cars from 1999-2019 model years. My daily driver is a 2008 NA V8 Lexus LS, owned since new. This review makes me feel that I am missing NOTHING by avoiding all these tech laden, over priced modern cars. Will keep driving ICE cars, and even used ones (eg Gen 2 Flying Spur for less than half the price of this BMW), for as long as possible!
Dear Harry, from the bottom of my heart: Nevre, ever grow up. We all love your enthusiasm, your joy and your curiosity. You are so darn good at putting us beside you in the car, and we all know you are doing your darnest to give us that thrill. Thank you for making my Sunday a Sunday!
I’m glad I watched this, I’m currently running a 2021 530d as my daily and it’s been probably the best allrounder I’ve ever owned. The highlight apart from the power train and efficiency has to be the intuitive nature of iDrive coupled with great switch gear for regular use functions, like climate control and heated seats. This new i5 looks like it’s torn all of that up and followed the heard towards complicated touchscreens. I was seriously considering a 545e as my next car but this has made me think again.
Keep the old car running, stock up on spare parts!
Problem is it does 35/40k miles a year so it’s lifespan is finite
Superb journalism as always Harry. Interesting point on the charging loses too 👍
A 2.5 ton 5 metre £115k non-M 5 series - the answer to a question that nobody would ever bother to ask…..
It’s a car to satisfy bureaucratic demands, nothing more
Then you get BMW reliability and bills lol.
At least it is quiet. Let us be thankful for that.
@@Jadawin-kk3fzIf only it was invisible as well……
This is why Harry is the best. He doesn’t hold back on giving an honest review, unlike so many other CZcamsrs up the back side of manufacturers.
I'd like to see Clarkson in the passenger seat 😂
Completely agree with turning off lane assist for UK and Irish roads, to me that should be an option that we switch on if we want it, and not have to menu dive to turn off every time. I've driven a Citroen and a Honda that have it and its nothing short of dangerous.
I 100% agree with all of the points raised. Really looking forward to a deeper look into the future with you!
I've driven BMWs my whole life, and I just can't seem to find anything coming out of the company that I like any longer. The 5 series used to be a pretty safe bet... but not only have they messed it up with all that's been mentioned, they've also made it flat out ugly. What a shame for the whole company.
I feel exactly the same. I cannot even fathom an idea of buying a BMW anymore.
Only took a few years too. Once the current 8 series and 3/4 series are gone, can’t imagine they will make a single car I’d really want to own.
e60/f10 will never be beat. This new thing is an abomination
My (first gen) BMW M2 will probably be the last BMW I ever bought new. The only new BMW I still really like (design and how it drives) is the Alpina B3 Touring. That's it...
BMW M340i is alright although missing a stick shift and rwd. 8 series is cool and the M2. Apart from that straight up awful.
I quite like it when harry gets grumpy 😂
Once again, a very balanced and informative real world review.
What have they done to the dashboard? That would put you off regardless of how good or bad the rest of the car was. The 5 series was always a car to aspire to, this 8th generation certainly isn't. I can not actually find a redeeming feature about it, and that price tag is just ridiculous.
Great review well presented and all points covered regarding ev ownership.... not on your Nelly!
Thank you, Harry for keeping four solid driving wheels firmly on the ground throughout all the madness we are currently having to endure. The voice of sanity and reason - may you never be silenced, lest we forget (as so many manufacturers seem to) that cars are actually meant to be enjoyed.
I hate these new interiors with no buttons and just and extended tablet from China. It feels cheap because it is cheap. It appears that the best of automotive industry is behind us and 2015-2020 cars are simply the ones to get today with their plush and luxurious interiors. Thank you for the review, I totally agree with the statements and their assessment and hope, really hope that customers will vote with their wallets. So far it doesn't seem to have any effect for example judging by how all of these carried on with "glued" tablets in recent years. I'm glad that I can keep watching and keep subscribing Harry's videos with pleasure.
Ooooh, Morris Minor moment in the same shot. Nice.
What a great honest review, We drive a 2023 Hyundai Kona electric with the big 300 mile range (on paper) Last November we noticed the battery would not charge to the full 300 but would only go to 268 miles, so I reported the problem to the main dealer, it took from Nov 7th 23 until Feb 15th 24 with lots of phone calls and two seperate days of diagnostics before they learnt and then told us the car was in winter mode (to protect the battery) The annoying thing is the charging period (normally 10hrs) remains the same and costs the same as when it was in summer mode, which is normally £20 ish.
You’re a bit strange. What ICE car can really drive the same mileage that is written on paper in WLTP cycle? None. Kona is a great car with great range, if all you care is range and drive it properly, it show amazing results. Had 495km on one charge when had 64kWh Kona.
These screens with multiple menus are a real concern. They're taking too much attention away from the road. Great video as always.
Crazy to buy a car with a tyre profile of less than 55 with the state of the roads especially with a EV that weighs 40% more than the equivalent ICE car.
way good point - beyond significant and so very telling.
To be fair, 35% profile of a 345mm section width is actually more sidewall (120mm) than 55% profile of a 205mm section width (112mm), so it's not that simple. The rear 15" tyres on Harry's Lamborghini Countach are technically a 35 profile (345/35 R15), but it's 35% of 345mm which is quite tall actually!
Very interesting Harry, just as puzzled as Joe was! You made an astonishing point on the energy loss on recharging! That certainly has to be taken into account in terms of how green the car is and how “cheap” it is to run! Brilliant review! Cheers, Tom
I was in the crowd that would always be excited by the new BMW 3 or 5 series and the progress compared to the previous generation. I look at this and think the pinnacle was somewhere around the Bangle E60? I'm Harry's age and the more I think about it the more I believe we were fortunate to have been in our peak when ICE cars peaked. The engines were powerful, suspensions sorted, fun to drive, safe, roads were reasonably empty and unrestricted, exhaust fumes were catalysed. We also weren't spending Sunday afternoons fiddling with carbs, points and ignition like our dads. The Russians weren't threatening us with nukes every other day either. You can probably add multiple points around property prices, safety, state of infrastructure and cost of a pint to the list.
So glad you mentioned about lane assist! Merc are just as bad - mine tried to swerve me back TOWARDS the cyclist I was passing - straightforwardly dangerous.
Golf 8 lane assist is just dangerous! Harry has hit the nail on the head again. Lane assist just doesn’t work in the UK!