Can Izzet Phoenix Survive the Ban? | Izzet Pheonix vs Bant Angels

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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 12. 07. 2022
  • This week, Eli Loveman came all the way from America with his new spin on Izzet Pheonix. Can it still survive the pioneer metagame without it's dear Expressive Iterations?
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Komentáƙe • 126

  • @CardmarketMagic
    @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed 2 lety +2

    đŸŠđŸ‘Œ Decklist: bit.ly/3ABYsVW

  • @jaminkauf6242
    @jaminkauf6242 Pƙed 2 lety +92

    14:00 might just be my proudest play in feature matches so far

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed 2 lety +13

      Awwww

    • @MoeBDig
      @MoeBDig Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      Big brain to make useless attacks game 1 so he would fall for your trap in game 2.

  • @caleb7882
    @caleb7882 Pƙed 2 lety +63

    I like how fair these decks play. Feels like true magic!

  • @poetro2567
    @poetro2567 Pƙed 2 lety +27

    Yesssss. Pioneeerrr. Would love to see more Bant Spirits

  • @Jantonio2912
    @Jantonio2912 Pƙed rokem +7

    Such an amazing episode!
    These tribal decks are amazing. Angels! Slivers, Elves, Goblins! I just love it. Watched the whole thing.
    Regards from Puerto Rico đŸ‡”đŸ‡·.

  • @killa4funtrololol
    @killa4funtrololol Pƙed 2 lety +38

    Would love to see some Niv to light!! Keep up the great paper content 😄

  • @somedude3236
    @somedude3236 Pƙed 2 lety +19

    I played this matchup once at fnm. Game 3 dude had me on the ropes with a wide board of some big angels but I ripped an untapped 5th land to play galvanic iteration into anger of the gods. It was disgusting
    The lore in that makes it even better

    • @Rtoizzae
      @Rtoizzae Pƙed 2 lety +4

      flavor win!

    • @Dragracingduleist
      @Dragracingduleist Pƙed 2 lety +2

      You sir got some good luck, because in my testing with angles (approaching 200 matches) angles is HEAVILY favored vs pheonix. Im sitting at 11-4 im the matchup, the only better matchups for angles ive found are spirits, humans and mono red/burn

  • @marcususful
    @marcususful Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Nice to see multiple formats being played, would love to see some Pauper or draft

  • @matthewmartin9983
    @matthewmartin9983 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    I would love to see you guys try out the pauper combo decks of the world, defender combo, Goblins, maybe Tireless tribe!

  • @Uri6060
    @Uri6060 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Love the vid! Pretty fun decks!
    Recently dredgeless dredge has been gaining some traction in pioneer would love to see that!

  • @dustindoing6076
    @dustindoing6076 Pƙed 2 lety +15

    Love the Pioneer content! Keep up the good work, folks!

  • @alfredb2036
    @alfredb2036 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Sweet! The cards could be bigger on the screen when played, they're a bit hard to read on a phone.

  • @jacksontempleman7442
    @jacksontempleman7442 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    I’m loving the pioneer content! It would be great to see esper greasefang showcased.

  • @jorgevelasquez840
    @jorgevelasquez840 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

    Laughed out loud when Jamin baited the block. Love to see these games, specially without 10 counters per game.

  • @valvadis2360
    @valvadis2360 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    Angel Tribal is already in Selesnya colors so i always wonder if the extra taplands to add blue are worth it. Here Livalla saved the game once so i guess it is, but are 3 Glasspool Mimics needed/not too many?

    • @azetsu648
      @azetsu648 Pƙed 2 lety

      Yeah, I play the Selesnya one and I always wonder the some. For me it looks not to be worth it going blue, I prefer cleaner mana base with more utility like Mutavault and also having the option to play Book. Instead of Linvala there is still Selfless Spirit (in SB)

  • @KebapRocker
    @KebapRocker Pƙed 2 lety +2

    great video, Eli seems like a very awesome person!

  • @JordanGrayson00
    @JordanGrayson00 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    Love seeing Pioneer content here! Really great video!

  • @92berek
    @92berek Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Great content of course, but there is some montage error at 10:53. Videos could use some post montage watching 😄

  • @valterus1449
    @valterus1449 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Noice, I would love to see some Greasefang Parhelion II on the channel

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Have you got a decklist?

    • @valterus1449
      @valterus1449 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@CardmarketMagic Esper for example: www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pioneer-esper-greasefang#paper
      Cheers!

  • @ireviewbread4131
    @ireviewbread4131 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Made a funny grixis pheonix/control list, would love to see some form of a pioneer grixis deck on here

    • @soup8786
      @soup8786 Pƙed 2 lety

      Grixis mid is a fringe deck but just a worse rakdos

    • @johnnoreau3570
      @johnnoreau3570 Pƙed rokem

      I’ve tried a grixis phoenix shell. 3 colors is too inconsistent. Blue red makes it flow better and you’re getting what you need faster. I was using lilliana x2 nicol bolas. Thought seize fatal pushes. But ran too many shock lands so by the time I could do anything I’ve shocked myself half to death.

  • @littlefoot4417
    @littlefoot4417 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Ledger shredder x4 in phoenix is like a must, the card is busted, thing in ice should of been a 2 of or 1 of and some in the side

    • @johnnoreau3570
      @johnnoreau3570 Pƙed rokem

      I see most list run 1 in the main 1-2 in side. I run 2 and 2. I just love thing in the ice. When the card first came out I said it’d see play and it’s at least included in the shell and played some 4-5 years later 😅

  • @gypsieking3280
    @gypsieking3280 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Fun match. Thanks for posting

  • @asumata759
    @asumata759 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    No opt game 1 to try and hit a land to flashback 2 arclights when you're dead on board? Hmph

  • @Agentmortar
    @Agentmortar Pƙed rokem +9

    After playing against Eli a few times I have to say he has a strong "good player" aura; very intimidating to play against lol

  • @Zyraphina
    @Zyraphina Pƙed rokem

    Funny thats the same matchup my roommate and i have with our pioneer decks.

  • @zscflh
    @zscflh Pƙed 2 lety

    Love the content watching from the USA

  • @schumerus6786
    @schumerus6786 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Angels are really fun, IMO better then regular lifegain Strategies as the beaters in the air are good on their own most of the time

    • @Scoob3rs
      @Scoob3rs Pƙed 2 lety

      Idk how Angels can be fun, literally the most braindead deck in Magic. Requires no thinking, just play 1-2-3 drops until you get to 27 life

    • @schumerus6786
      @schumerus6786 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@Scoob3rs Have you seen Goblin decks? It’s putting Gobbos on the field and swing. Have you seen Mono Green? It’s ramp with elves and beat with tramplers. Have you seen any moderately aggressive/Midrange creature based deck? All of them follow that plan: play creatures and win from there

    • @Scoob3rs
      @Scoob3rs Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@schumerus6786 All these decks youve mentioned require thoughts on how and when to attack, when to remove your opponents creatures. Angels you literally play your creatures and hope you get to 27, no thinking whatsoever

    • @schumerus6786
      @schumerus6786 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@Scoob3rs Your most detested deck must be Selesnia Lifegain then, that one is life gain focused to the core

  • @behemoth1158
    @behemoth1158 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    If you can fit 1 to 2 Legion angels in the angel deck you can actually get a full party with linvala, since glasspool mimic is a rogue and stays that way

    • @soup8786
      @soup8786 Pƙed 2 lety

      Not worth compromising coco

    • @behemoth1158
      @behemoth1158 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@soup8786 fair enough, then how about resplendent marshal. Coco gets it, it grows your crew and gives full party

    • @soup8786
      @soup8786 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@behemoth1158 I think linvala is strong enough solely based on preventing sweepers. But you could consider it for sure

  • @crillybafoon7730
    @crillybafoon7730 Pƙed 2 lety

    Love the paper content so much. Would be great if you’d play Gates. I know it’s not the best deck but I’ve found it to be stronger than it seems

  • @carl74z
    @carl74z Pƙed 2 lety

    Yes!! Yes it can! Just built the deck and I am getting great results!

  • @reytal496
    @reytal496 Pƙed 2 lety

    and the legends at it again

  • @kumbertjoehl-lee8898
    @kumbertjoehl-lee8898 Pƙed 2 lety

    What's the difference between a mythic champion and a pro tour champion?

  • @stephengomez2766
    @stephengomez2766 Pƙed 2 lety

    Great video. Might want to clean your camera sensor though, those black smudges are a bit distracting :)

  • @LarsIsReal
    @LarsIsReal Pƙed 2 lety +1

    I want the new Challenger Deck

  • @AcedSama
    @AcedSama Pƙed 2 lety

    Nicer love pioneer. Would love to see my pet deck Jund food sacrifice in action. Sac the cat, mayhem trigger, sac the food, mayhem trigger. Cats joins. Trigger. :D

  • @guppydah8410
    @guppydah8410 Pƙed 2 lety

    Build a deck using Jacob hauken or dragonlord kolaghan

  • @Lumpalooza
    @Lumpalooza Pƙed měsĂ­cem

    Eli seems like such a chill guy

  • @ajax4709
    @ajax4709 Pƙed 2 lety

    Thought this was modern for a second and got really excited about bans

  • @lucasrios2089
    @lucasrios2089 Pƙed rokem

    25:30 I'm confused about why Eli didn't just Strangle the Valkyrie in Jamin's end step to be efficient here, then he could have played the turn 2 Thing in the Ice like he wanted. He took 2 to have that land come in untapped for no reason.

  • @joshuanolet8679
    @joshuanolet8679 Pƙed 2 lety

    I want to see rakdos midrange! It’s a very good deck!

  • @michelegiordano1127
    @michelegiordano1127 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    What about playing a modern Goblins combo deck at some point?

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Have you got a decklist?

    • @michelegiordano1127
      @michelegiordano1127 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@CardmarketMagic Sure thing! Shall I post it here? or should I put it in my cardmarket shopping list 😏

  • @betabrett0223
    @betabrett0223 Pƙed 2 lety

    I wouldn't mind seeing some cycling in pioneer

  • @hatredlord
    @hatredlord Pƙed rokem

    Why was the camera in the individual scenes dirty? I thought it was my phone!

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed rokem +1

      It was broken, we've stopped using that camera since, but there is not much we could do at the time since we were waiting for our new cameras to arrive

    • @hatredlord
      @hatredlord Pƙed rokem

      @@CardmarketMagic ouch! Well, all's well that ends well, i suppose.

  • @alejo210
    @alejo210 Pƙed rokem

    Random thought but is the camera really dirty when they do commentary style camera?

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed rokem

      The camera was broken. This was one of the last times we used it

    • @alejo210
      @alejo210 Pƙed rokem

      @@CardmarketMagic wow can't believe you replied such an old video, going above and beyond, keep up the excellent content!

  • @ash3n159
    @ash3n159 Pƙed rokem

    10:34 At the beginning of combat, he could have axed the Valkyrie giving the +2/+2 discarding the Arclight Phoenix. Was this a miss play or am I stupid

    • @johnnoreau3570
      @johnnoreau3570 Pƙed rokem

      Probably a miss play. Phoenix is extremely hard to play.

    • @ash3n159
      @ash3n159 Pƙed rokem

      @@johnnoreau3570no

  • @BionicPie
    @BionicPie Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Yes paper pioneer!!!!! Please do more 🙏 â˜ș 😊

  • @alexanderrethmeier5917
    @alexanderrethmeier5917 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Could you play Niv to Light?

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed 2 lety

      Have you got a decklist?

    • @alexanderrethmeier5917
      @alexanderrethmeier5917 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@CardmarketMagic
      4 Sylvan Caryatid
      1 Valki, God of Lies
      1 Selfless Glyphweaver
      2 Omnath, Locus of Creation
      3 Niv-Mizzet Reborn
      2 Nahiri, the Harbinger
      2 Abrupt Decay
      2 Dreadbore
      3 Growth Spiral
      3 Vanishing Verse
      1 Deafening Clarion
      2 Kologhan’s Command
      1 Extinction Event
      4 Bring to Light
      1 The Celestus
      1 Blood Crypt
      1 Breeding Pool
      1 Dragonskull Summit
      1 Drowned Catacomb
      1 Forest
      1 Hallowed Fountain
      1 Indatha Triome
      1 Island
      2 Jetmir’s Garden
      1 Mana Confluence
      1 Overgrown Tomb
      2 Raffine’s Tower
      1 Raugrin Triome
      2 Rootbound Crag
      1 Savai Triome
      1 Spara’s Headquarters
      1 Steam Vents
      2 Sulfur Falls
      2 Sunpetal Grove
      2 Watery Grave
      1 Woodland Cemetery
      1 Ziatora’s Proving Grounda
      Sideboard
      1 Jegantha, the Wellspring
      2 Deafening Silence
      2 Fatal Push
      1 Thoughtseize
      2 Dovin’s Veto
      2 Go Blank
      2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
      2 Mystical Dispute
      1 Notion Thief

  • @LiLIrishSoutherner
    @LiLIrishSoutherner Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Anyone else see dead pixels on the interview cam?

    • @christoph6963
      @christoph6963 Pƙed 2 lety

      Those are dust specs on the sensor of the camera. They can clean them off if they want :).

  • @lurz9848
    @lurz9848 Pƙed 2 lety

    Pioneer best format!!!
    (still like everything except Standard)

  • @shamberrojaslancellotti7880

    lotus field !!!

  • @FalloutFan011
    @FalloutFan011 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    For whenever you guys wanna do more modern matches:
    Go ahead and try out a SPICY take on Phoenix in the format
    Izzet Shredder Phoenix 😁👍
    Keep up the FANTASTIC gameplay videos😁👍

  • @fabiogarzaro8272
    @fabiogarzaro8272 Pƙed 2 lety

    Yooo, finally commenting every video paid off

  • @Waevform
    @Waevform Pƙed 2 lety +1

    We love pioneer

  • @jorallan
    @jorallan Pƙed 2 lety

    I know many native English speakers get it wrong, but "Phoenix" is written right there on the card...

  • @jaydenholzhueter6344
    @jaydenholzhueter6344 Pƙed 2 lety

    Pioneer soulflayer it’s a gamble and not popular but I think it’s cool

  • @joshuanolet8679
    @joshuanolet8679 Pƙed 2 lety

    More Pioneer! More Pioneer!

  • @TheGatesAblaze
    @TheGatesAblaze Pƙed 2 lety

    Common Jamin W

  • @LordSathar
    @LordSathar Pƙed rokem

    I was rooting for the angels,

  • @mariolopezrodriguez8895
    @mariolopezrodriguez8895 Pƙed rokem

    It is funny to see how izzet player on game 3 shocks himself on turn 1 to cast an opt but he forgets to do it

  • @themuffinman8969
    @themuffinman8969 Pƙed rokem

    Make mono black devotion

  • @spizzerspunk
    @spizzerspunk Pƙed 2 lety

    I really want to know why Jamin has a tattoo of toad

    • @jaminkauf6242
      @jaminkauf6242 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      My fiancee and I both like playing Nintendo games - so she got Toadette tattooed and I got Toad. (Also he's just the most lovable character from the Mario games)

    • @spizzerspunk
      @spizzerspunk Pƙed 2 lety

      @@jaminkauf6242 aww that's super cute

  • @carollopez4099
    @carollopez4099 Pƙed 2 lety

    PerfectđŸ€— 💖🔆đŸ€Ș

  • @MrPiotrV
    @MrPiotrV Pƙed rokem

    why on earth would you sideboard out almost all of your answers to his threats? -.-

  • @LibertyMonk
    @LibertyMonk Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    the dirty lens on the interview camera is so distracting

    • @CardmarketMagic
      @CardmarketMagic  Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      Unfortunately, there was not much we could do about it. The lens was not dirty, it was broken. We were just waiting for the new lens we had purchased to arrive

  • @cheezybred
    @cheezybred Pƙed 2 lety +19

    Clean the camera lenses

  • @skiie
    @skiie Pƙed rokem

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEGANJOOO

  • @MoeBDig
    @MoeBDig Pƙed měsĂ­cem

    Oh boy did this not age well haha

  • @theweirdlyfriendlymushroom7920

    I hate white decks, expecially angels, but for some reason if the opponent is izzet Phoenix I will always root for the angels