Playtesting the 2022 Pioneer Challenger Decks | Gruul Stompy vs Dimir Control
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2022
- The Pioneer Challenger decks were finally released and Jamin & Carl are playtesting them to find out which one is the strongest
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Hey I just wanted to say thank you for this content. Sincerely. This is good MTG content. The interview format helps without being too overbearing like a certain show I loved years ago and don't anymore. I could name it, but I know it's unprofessional for your channel for me to talk smack about others, so I won't.
This is good content. Please keep the format as it is, don't get too deep into the interview stuff. The mixture of gameplay to interview is a perfect blend as is.
@@DerickTheHeroV2 thank you! We also agree that too many interviews slow down the pace of the game ;)
Glad the dice budget was increased.
Lol
In this economy? I’m surprised they don’t have to outsource their RNG to countries with less N20PC (Nat 20’s per Capita).
Lights $200
Card Sleeves $150
Decks $800
Dice $3600
Cameras $150
Somebody good at the economy help me budget this, my CZcams channel is dying.
@@edwardgolden2544spend less on dice
Congratulations Cardmarket on acquiring some more dice 🎉
Flexin' that dice money 😎
I love Carl's giddy laugh anytime anything happens lol.
29:22 It's worth noting that Shifting Ceratops cannot gain vigilance through its own abilities
oh! haha.
Lol 🤣
I love the whole crew but the way Carl and Jamin play off each other is a personal favorite.
One thing that i really appreciate about this chancel is how when Carl sees Jamin going in for the win he hypes him up. That’s great kitchen table kind of magic!
The Pioneer precon deck from a year ago, actually was the first video I watched from you guys.
I'm thrilled that you are still here one year later! :D
Same! Got me to play pioneer and Lotus Combo. (I know, filthy combo player)
Same here! I wanted to understand how the Lotus combo is supposed to play out
This is the first of the Versus videos I have watched on the channel and really enjoy the overlay. Having the hand contents in the corners is so helpful and I really enjoy the cut-away commentary as well!
Finished the video on my lunch break and had to come back with some more kudos on the production value. Showing the triggered effects on screen as well for things like Cindervines and those cards in graveyard for Torrential Gearhulk - incredibly useful information to have on screen and the best overlay I've seen for live play games. Keep up the great work!
I love this, how they explain thought process while keeping the tempo. Subbed
yeah, Go Blank, what a combo with Drown in the Loch
It's in the deck! Also, it's fine to play them in combinationz you just have to try to maneuver your plays so that you use one before the other. The precon is full of nombo's anyway ;)
Guys, these are getting awesome. Your editing process is subtly improving with each video! Great job!
Nice i initially got back into mtg due to the pioneer precons from last year and it introduced me to your channel :). Hope the 4 from this year gives you guys a lot of new content to create :).
Personally looking to get the Dimir one but kinda sad that they feel kinda watered down on some front *hust* *hust* Shark Typhoon...*hust*
And the one watery grave 😅 but I'm happy you are still here watching one year later! :D
I still remember last year on my old couch i was watching last years pioneer challanger decks videos. And now 1 year later you have more dice. Wow times have changed man
These Videos are so well made, I never enjoyed watching paper magic so much. Keep up the good work guys :)
You all are a blast to watch. Very fun stuff
I've been finding myself more and more wanting to get into pioneer. it seems like genuinely such a fun format, I wish that magic gave more support to their 1v1 60 card formats. like I enjoy Commander but I think this is how magic was always intended to be played and it's the way I like to play the most. with how gross modern is right now especially with all of the horizons stuff and the new Lord of the rings stuff on the way I find myself wanting to get into pioneer more everyday. I'll have to look around for local game stores in my area that actually have tournaments. always love your pioneer gameplays and I'm happy that card market finally gave you guys the dice budget that you were so desperately needing
If there are local Pioneer tournaments, you should definately check them out! The format is healthy and fun. It reminds me of old standards from 6-12 years ago :)
Commander is boring. It's too long and I can't maintain my patience or focus for games thst go more than 30 minutes.
SO HAPPY THESE ARE BEING FEATURED!
Gotta have lots of dice!!! LOL! Thanks for the Pioneer content. I really enjoy your videos! Keep them coming!
Super interested in a "upgrade" video about those (dimir especially)!
would love to see the standard precons decks vs 1 another like this looks like they would be fun
I love that you're looking at precons! Getting the opinions of some seasoned magic players on how they work and stuff is always really cool! Ever think about doing a couple of the Game Night decks that recently dropped?
We had not considered it, but we'll talk about it today! :) thanks for the suggestion
gruul precon replacing glorybringer and the spells with werewolf packleader and reckless stormseeker, and 4 embercleave is crazy fun
You guys actually have MORE DICE now!? Guess the budget increase was approved! Gratz guys!
Also interesting to learn that the Giant and the Rider have more in common than I expected.Poor guys just want to go into buildings.
Carl "playing around stomp" immediately followed by "please don't draw stomp" is a classic lol
hope you guys can put out more videos like this, good for beginners to the game
It was really cool to see that Game 2 turn around completely 💃🏻
those were some really close games. Nice!
Just wanted to say that this channel has become a sleeper hit of mine. Very underated.
This was a ton of fun to watch
Jamin sided the Ceratops in for game 2, talked it up, but I really think he underestimated how effective it is in this matchup, holding it for so many turns really felt like a mistake.
would be super fun to see you playing old preconstructed decks (mirrodin, old kamigawa) Just to bring the good old memories
It would! We actually plan on doing just that! :D
love seeing the budget for the show grow with those new dice
from the side, that looked like a lot of dice! Then from the above view, I noticed there was a backup column!!!
That game 2 was really frustrating from the control side, so many almost-plays that don't quite work because you're at 1 😅
I'm a simple man. I see a new cardmarket video, I like and comment and happily enjoy the great content :)
The last turn was very cleaver and intresting on how the stack played out
"Stop it Carl, you're doing the Toffel thing!" haha
On this episode of Cardmarket:
Carl censors an interracial relationship
Well, it looks more like an interspecies relationship to me.
🚨***This joke is dangerously close to the danger zone! 🚨 Please refrain from further comments. Thank you for your attention***🚨
36:58 Feels gooooood
Really liking the content. I know you guys are all about that Modern format, but how about some games of Premodern? Very interesting format with a lot of diversity, and of course those cool old frame cards!
I remember your subs count when the last pioneer precon match was. It was 14k. 🎉 now almost 60k. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for still watching! 😃
What set are the basic lands they are using from? they look awesome
Super entertaining as always folks
I think it was the correct play in the end, the ceratops could have died to languish next turn 💁♂️ can never really know though
-C
@@CardmarketMagic you didn't know that he has languish. It was incorrect in this case
A round of standard would be cool every once in 10 games or so. Just to see what the format is like every once in a while. Pioneer is cool too! I'm addicted to these gameplay videos by the way. I've run out of ones to watch and have tried to find the old ones XD
Happy you like them! :) the main issue with standard is that we know absolutely nothing about that format right now. We'd feel like imposters playing it 😅
I definitely think Yamin should have deployed the Shifting Ceratops earlier to chump the shark token, protecting the Chandra at 7 to ult next turn. With only one card in the control player's hand, and Ceratops being Uncounterable, you have practically nothing to worry about outside of exactly Heartless Act since the Field of Ruin was tapped down.
Exactly what i was thinking
I know correcting play isn’t the most fun but JAMUN CHANDRA CAN MAKE MANA. It worked out pretty well with the language but I feel like upticking chandra for the mana to cast ceratops and beast and stuff was just easily the correct line
In rund two, it would have been an idea to cast the elf first instead of lovestruck beast and then in the next turn cast ceratops because of protection from blue :D
Now that the dice budget has increased you should share a link to them in the description haha
Thanks for that content
I want to see pauper commander with you two, thoralf, and 8rack
Yes please showcase all these
Please do a video where you talk about the decks and how to upgrade them, like you did about the first pioneer decks 😊
We are planning on doing this closer to the product release :)
@@CardmarketMagic lovely! Love that video, especially Jamins suggestion of selling the actual box to create more value 😆
As you asked for other formats, you should try Premodern!
Thanks for the video :)
I have a question. Is there a reason at 10:53 to play the Fatal Push rather than the adventure of Murderous Rider on the end of Jamin's turn ? It ends up not mattering, but the 3 mana spell seems more mana efficient to me in that situation. Is it a light misplay, or am I missing something, something that gives the priority to the Ooze for example?
I mean casting the adventure on Chandra rather than casting the push on the ooze
So it might not be absolutely correct but I tanked on this real hard and cut it in the video. So here was my thinking:
I had drown in the loch and if I kill the Chandra with the murderous rider, I was afraid of a stomp end of turn once i'm tapped out, so I made the play that let me keep up drown that turn and the next. Also, I imagined that if I killed his chandra, if he had nothing in hand, he would start eating his own graveyard with the Ooze to beat down with it and it would turn off my drown in the loch 😅
@@CardmarketMagic Interesting, I hadn't thought that deep. And if I'm correct, there's only a small percentage of your deck for which a 2 mana difference on your next turn would have mattered, so the downside is acceptable.
Ok so at 21:16 why not up tic for 2 red mana cast the Shifting Ceritops and then give it haste?
I just heard the Prof on Tolarian Community College's newest video talk about a relatively new format called "Heritage", has the team heard much about that?
We had not heard about it till you mentioned this! We'll look into it :D
I'm usually an edh player but I really liked this vid.
I just found out there's a format called Heritage. It's basically Legacy but only allows cards that were legal in Standard. So no Commander-only cards or Battlebond or any other weird stuff!
Seems like someone got some top decking advice from Toffel. Just turn creatures sideways and draw winning cards!
GG on the dice
21:27 with that enchatment on the board youre on the clock, chandra should had went up for 2 RR to play that green Dino.
I would love to see some Heritage, either Modern or Legacy Heritage.
We very recently did modern without the Horizons sets 😃:
czcams.com/video/jJk3G9FGNxo/video.html
still not enough dices :D i wanna see more !!!!! :P
it is funny you said gruul is not a meta deck in pioneer, because either wizards had good prediction or they got lucky because just recently gruul started getting important in the format, I think a very similar gruul deck is to this one is currently tier 1
Yes 😃 Gruul vehicles became good out of nowhere! Which is great because that deck is awesome!
@@CardmarketMagic Yeah, it is the same base of the deck, pretty much only needs a few changes, and they are not 100% needed, I mean, questing beast is still strong, but it is a good investment if you want to make your own gruul deck
gruul pioneer challenger looks pretty solid
Did... Jaymin give Shifting Ceratops *vigilance* at 29:20?? I had to reread the card a couple times, but I'm pretty sure that is NOT on the card.
There's a lot of text on that card 😅 you'll have to forgive him for getting some of it confused
What are the sleeves you are using today? And go Dimir
The blue sleeves are custom dragonshields that are no longer listed online, the brown sleeves can be found here:
www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Sleeves/100-Cardmarket-Mystic-Sleeves
"how does this have reach?", says the guy with a GIANT FLYING SHARK 🤣🤣🤣
This was a very entertaining video, and I've heard of a format called Penny and don't know anything about it. Maybe you guys might be interested in playing it.
Penny Dreadful! It's a great format on magic online that plays cards that are only 1 cent in tickets. We have it on our list of videos to do in the future :)
15:50 I wish them a happy 7. Seems neutral enough.
great performance guys! Name of the song at 12:39?
Here you go:
czcams.com/video/84ZL5a0OFv4/video.html&ab_channel=Backdropsounds
@@CardmarketMagic thanks Jamin!
Jamin punted the second game so hard
These were good games.
43:10 if you want a really weird format to play, pre-modern is most def up there
We specifically have guests over this weekend to record some much older formats :D we'll see if we can get premodern in there
Are you going to do budget and non budget upgrades for the decks and then play them?
We can't do 4 whole gameplay videos on the same decks 😅 but we'll definitely do an upgrade video
1:10 as an izzet player I can confirm 😎😎😎
I'm new to MTG and trying to build a dimir deck for pioneer/modern. Is this dimir deck a good starting point? I have a small collection of blue and black cards I'd probably swap out
Control can be a little intimidating/ tough to pilot for new players.
@@Itsveryover I've been playing mill the last couple months and having a lot of fun with it! I started putting together a more traditional dimir control, but ultimately switched out the wincons for mill lol
@@kevinfarner6052 Thats so great to hear man, as a modern player, I can say losing to mill is a lot cooler than losing to burn or scam. Respect.
@@Itsveryover a lot of the people I've played against don't agree with you 😂 I just love making people flip cards lol
Probably my favorite format..
Play more challenger decks
Let’s see which one is the king of ALL 8 precons
Do they come with full art lands?
No! The products are bot released yet. We are just using lands we like, but we assume the challenger decks will come with regular basics
Love pioneer content
I had no clue WotC made pioneer precons..... I'm going to blame them and not myself
Jamin says Reach is the most overlooked keyword. That's a nice video topic. Which is the most inplay overlooked keyword? By my experience it is not reach, it is menace.The amount of times players tried to do an illegal block in various games trying to block menace creatures with one blocker is ridiculous.
So how does fatal push work? Do I not understand it correctly?
You may target a creature. If it costs 0-1-2 to cast, it dies. If a permanent you control died, returned to your hand, or was exiled during the same turn, the creature dies even if it has 3 or 4 total mana cost. I hope this helps? Or does it make it worse?
which pioneer challenger deck do you suggest to buy?
If you are a new player, I'd recommend the gruul deck. If you want to win local tournaments, the best option is probably to buy the previous year's Lotus Field challenger deck and update it a little, but no one is going to want to play against you casually 😅
@@CardmarketMagic lol. no well I'm an old player (legacy) and I'd like to start again super Uber casual and no time/effort to find other cards to buy. Like I buy this deck and I play with it.
@@stefano1650 then I'd recommend gruul :) it smashes and turns creatures sideways
Yamin didn't even use the ceratops right
Why can't carl block with the shark before the 4 exert damage resolves?
The damage happens before blockers are assigned
@@CardmarketMagic thank you
I usually say “have a game”. Because no matter what, they are going to have a game.
What's mono-rot burn? Decaying carcasses on fire?
Rot means red in German 🇩🇪
@@CardmarketMagic Thanks for the reply. It was just a stupid joke.
Apparently Shifting Ceratops is just "G: Add whatever keyword you want" now. (Vigilance isn't an option)
hahahah, anything to win against Carl, right? 😅
I even read the card that day and was still 100% convinced.
-Jamin
Murderous rider shuffles deck I think.
Ok hear me out, I know consider is a better card, but I think if I bought this dimir pre con I would rather have thought scour, considering( see what I did there) that it fuels dig for time more and also let’s u mill your opponent early to turn on drown in the loch faster
This is not your fault, because reprints in supplemental product make this very confusing, but thought scour is not pioneer legal ;)
@@CardmarketMagic ah, im a modern player so I just assumed because it was reprinted it was legal, thanks for enlightening me though it’s really cool to get a response
If you ever play dice factory, you'll need those dice...
Can someone tell me what nationality Carl is? I just recently in the past couple weeks started watching/subscribed. His English is clearer than people in the states and I'm from here.
Carl is French Canadian 🍁
@@CardmarketMagic thanks for the info, and makes sense with his knowledge of French.
How could you negate the lovestruck beast?
It's a sorcery on the stack when you cast the adventure side 👍
dice dice baby XD
🎲 🎲 😎
how do you feel about Drawn From Dreams using cost reducers instead of delve shenanigans to power out Dig Through Time?
ultimate they both would cost UU but DFD can be hard cast without wanting to shoot yourself in the face.
Drawn from dreams is also strong, but the fact that Dig Through Time can be played on your opponent's turn is the key to it being so much more powerful in this deck. You want to keep up counterspells and removal, and if they don't get you a reason to use them? BOOM! You dig through time :)
@@CardmarketMagic ah, yes the instant speed
Is this the cheapest of the paper play videos on this channel? They didn’t even have to shout out Karma Crow this time!
We stopped shouting them out and pay them for the cards instead since our budget increased ;)
@@CardmarketMagic I was wondering that, it's been a couple months since there's been a shoutout
@@CardmarketMagic Oh, cool! I hadn’t even noticed!