Ammunition shortages in Ukraine - production, supply, & are Russia or the West running dry?

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  • čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
  • In Ukraine, perhaps no weapon has caused more losses, or decided more engagements than the artillery.
    With contested airspace both side have turned to the big guns to support their operations - and both have consumed ammunition at a prodigious rate (albeit Russia many times faster than Ukraine).
    In this episode - I look at the question of production and supply and ask the question - are Russia or Ukraine going to run out of shells in 2023
    Patreon:
    / perunau
    Reading/Sources:
    Russian Ammunition Consumption:
    news.err.ee/1608800317/edf-in...
    www.defensenews.com/smr/reaga...
    Translation of Murz article - original linked (use wayback machine?)
    wartranslated.com/russian-vol...
    Production Levels:
    www.thedefensepost.com/2022/1...
    www.defensenews.com/pentagon/...
    www.reuters.com/article/ukrai...
    www.theaustralian.com.au/spec...
    www.rheinmetall.com/en/rheinm...
    www.thedefensepost.com/2022/1...
    ubn.news/germany-is-building-...
    bdnews24.com/world/europe/fdo...
    www.grid.news/story/global/20...
    US Stocks & Cluster:
    GAO Report - '95
    www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/G...
    US Army Ammo Procurement justification books
    www.asafm.army.mil/Portals/72...
    www.asafm.army.mil/Portals/72...
    US Army Demil program
    media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/21...
    CRS - Cluster
    sgp.fas.org/crs/weapons/RS229...
    edition.cnn.com/2022/12/07/po...
    www.the-monitor.org/en-gb/repo...
    Others:
    apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA416...
    Caveats/correction:
    The nature of reporting on an ongoing war limits the confidence/accuracy of the information presented. Please regard the content of this video accordingly.
    At one point I state that the US will hit 20,000 rounds of 155mm produced per month in summer, it's in fact by Spring.
    This video is no financial advice, and should not be relied upon/may contain errors in all respects. Please don't go making financial decisions because of what you see in a YT video.
    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 - Opening Words
    00:02:03 - What Am I Talking About
    00:02:39 - HISTORY
    00:02:44 - The Scandal of 1915
    00:04:12 - The Korean Crisis
    00:04:44 - Cold War Ruggedisation
    00:05:37 - Post Cold War Atrophy
    00:06:56 - Russia's Close Calls
    00:07:35 - Storage & Production
    00:08:37 - FEEDING THE GUNS
    00:08:45 - Everyone is Running Out
    00:09:05 - Everyone has Plenty of Ammo
    00:09:30 - RUSSIA
    00:09:33 - The Artillery Army
    00:10:44 - Dueling Narratives
    00:11:36 - Systems & Consumption
    00:12:57 - Shell Hunger?
    00:14:27 - FIRMS Returns
    00:16:29 - Why?
    00:18:02 - Production
    00:19:43 - Stretching Production
    00:21:26 - Options?
    00:23:01 - Conclusion
    00:25:08 - UKRAINE
    00:25:21 - Doom and Gloom?
    00:26:02 - Crashing Out the Rainy-Day Fund
    00:26:31 - No NATO Shells?
    00:27:22 - Why Did This Happen?
    00:29:02 - Overly Focusing the View
    00:30:48 - CONSUMPTION
    00:31:21 - Putting a Number on the Need
    00:32:18 - Filling the Requirement
    00:33:12 - PRODUCTION
    00:33:23 - Atrophied Industry
    00:33:52 - Describing Production
    00:35:07 - The Production Picture
    00:36:22 - Surge Capacity?
    00:37:12 - The Production Picture: US
    00:38:53 - The Production Picture: EUROPE
    00:40:44 - Production Slack (EU)
    00:42:40 - The Production Picture: Asia-Pacific (APAC)
    00:44:06 - The Korean Option
    00:46:32 - The Production Picture: The Extras
    00:48:10 - LEGACY AMMO
    00:48:19 - Legacy Ammo Production
    00:49:09 - MAKING IT WORK
    00:50:06 - Politics & Patience
    00:52:20 - Wide Sourcing
    00:52:41 - The Great Ammunition Purchase Tour
    00:53:58 - Substitution...
    00:55:29 - ... & Precision
    00:57:39 - Emergency Options
    00:58:16 - Cluster Munition
    01:00:09 - The Cluster Option
    01:03:41 - What Are We Seeing?
    01:05:24 - CONCLUSIONS
    01:07:05 - CHANNEL UPDATE

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  • @PerunAU
    @PerunAU  Před rokem +2092

    A very happy New Years to all of you. It has been an incredible experience building this channel and having the privilege to see the incredible discussion this content has caused.
    I ran out of character limit for the source list this time, so I may update this pinned comment with more tomorrow - but I got most of the key stuff on there, enjoy reading ammunition budget documents if that's your thing.

    • @SpicyMeatAhBall
      @SpicyMeatAhBall Před rokem +4

      forsen

    • @akumaking1
      @akumaking1 Před rokem +6

      So which side is “winning” the war at this point?

    • @H1LOL
      @H1LOL Před rokem +19

      @@akumaking1 no one, both are getting damaged by the war far more than it would bring them in the medium, short and long term

    • @SirSmokeAlot8866
      @SirSmokeAlot8866 Před rokem +15

      Happy new year and thank you for your hard work! I’ve literally got myself a new habit every Sunday 😂

    • @daviddobronyi5490
      @daviddobronyi5490 Před rokem +22

      never thought i'd be fascinated by a topic such as this, but your clear, logical analysis is a joy to listen to.

  • @lorantstary4398
    @lorantstary4398 Před rokem +919

    “We’ve only got an hour so I won’t analyse the entire artillery market…” - I’m sure I’m not the only person whose heart sank when they head that.

    • @isaachenry5692
      @isaachenry5692 Před rokem +104

      Yes. Please stop using terms like "boring" and "lose viewers." Give us the details and the nitty gritty. That's why we're here. If the pod runs 90 minutes, so be it. We will watch it and enjoy it all the more. At ~60 minutes, it seems like it's over in a flash.

    • @stanisawwojciechowski6714
      @stanisawwojciechowski6714 Před rokem +34

      To be honest those over one hour long videos are the reason why i love perun. He covers the reasons, thing itself and possible consequences. It is so small yet so much to ask for

    • @ericschmidt1987
      @ericschmidt1987 Před rokem +15

      Right we are watching a one hr content creator. I bet you most of us want details or else we’d click on 5 min video instead

    • @VineFynn
      @VineFynn Před rokem +9

      @@isaachenry5692 its just self deprecating humor

    • @isaachenry5692
      @isaachenry5692 Před rokem +9

      @@VineFynn Yes, I realize that. I was using flattery to counter self-deprecating humor.

  • @karsjansen5481
    @karsjansen5481 Před rokem +3145

    "if we look away for 5 minutes the U.S Army is probably going to put a guidance kit on a handgrenade" had me rolling in my chair. And as a european I must say that is how some of us view the U.S

    • @Kyle-sr6jm
      @Kyle-sr6jm Před rokem

      In fairness, we have more recent experience at killing people than most europeans.

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT Před rokem +454

      Sounds like a compliment to me.

    • @dh1380
      @dh1380 Před rokem +355

      @@chaosXP3RT on the one hand, therein lies the problem.
      On the other hand, it is a compliment.

    • @peacemaker63604
      @peacemaker63604 Před rokem +106

      We have it, it's called a throw

    • @krissteel4074
      @krissteel4074 Před rokem +344

      I think they called it 'Switchblade' and shipped a couple of hundred over there 🤔

  • @CamembertDave
    @CamembertDave Před rokem +236

    "You don't run out - you become supply-constrained" is the kind of important nuance that applies to almost everything but is often not talked about because people tend to assume things are simpler than they really are.

    • @wiktornyckowski
      @wiktornyckowski Před rokem +7

      ...But in the specific case of critical war supplies, the difference can be argued to be rather philosophic, I think. III Reich did not actually run out of fuel, ammo, tanks or planes until Red Army waltzed right into Hitler's bunker. But being supply-constrained meant, effective combat power went down the drain.
      I'm actually very pleased to observe how russnia is becoming more and more supply-constrained as regards Iskanders (they've been throwing them all around the place in the first months of the war), flying pipes (they call it Kalibr, supposedly a miracle of orkish engineering), mopeds (aka Shahed) and quite recently, various pieces of artillery supply chain. It does warm my heart indeed and I do fervently hope it's going to stay this way because such "supply-constrained" Ivan will very soon be forced to limit itself to fresh recruits with Kalashnikovs. Against battle-hardened, well organized and reasonably well equipped Ukrainians this will result in a rapid depopulation of Mordor. An achievement, in a fashion...

    • @DanielXStaub
      @DanielXStaub Před rokem +2

      Logistics is all about the weakest link in the chain. It doesn't matter if there are 5 million artillery shells in Russia if they can't get them to the guns that need to fire them. Drone recon + long range attack options + open ammo dumps = a lot of shells not surviving long enough to be used. Even before HIMARS Russia had logistics problems.

    • @anthonysmith778
      @anthonysmith778 Před rokem

      @@DanielXStaub and if it takes many dumb artillery shells to hit 1 target, they must be replaced. I see all these videos of vehicles in the open with hundreds of shell holes with no dead equipment in them. It would sucknto be on the business end

  • @wayneparker9331
    @wayneparker9331 Před rokem +809

    As a former active duty USMC artillery officer, I laughed out loud at your remark, "I imagine that gunners find it pretty cathartic to just blast away at anything in sight." Because it's very, very true. If you do a close study of artillery tactics and actual operational methodologies in all conflicts, but especially the most modern wars, it's rather funny how artillery officers can conceive of so many different ways to "blast" their way to victory. Of course, it doesn't always work out the way they plan but they try with in the limits of their chosen profession to make it work.
    All joking aside, one very critical issue you didn't touch on in this video (but may be considering for another video) is the wear and tear on cannon and rocket systems from firing thousands of rounds in combat. One practice you will see in all major militaries is keeping a round count for every single howitzer, in addition to regular inspections by a specialized artillery mechanic using a bore scope to determine tube wear. This is a critical component in an artillery unit's firing solutions, as well as a critical part of weapon system maintenance. At a certain point, the laws of physics mean the tube is worn down so much that the gun/howitzer barrel is no longer fit for its intended purpose and must be swapped out for a new one. This requires "tier four" (i.e., factory level) maintenance and Ukraine currently has very limited capacity for such work (and the strikes on its power systems make it unlikely they will ever be able to expand such capacity). Put another way, even if the ammunition issues are resolved the artillery weapon systems are a whole other level of defense logistics complexity that must be considered.

    • @ronblack7870
      @ronblack7870 Před rokem +33

      you would be surprised at what can be done in the field or not in a factory setting if the need arises. as an example look at some of those videos from pakistan where they can take a broken truck axle and bend it back and reweld it and it's fixed in a day. all this in some dirt floor shack or outside.

    • @JamesAustin
      @JamesAustin Před rokem +3

      He talked about this in the artillery video he did back in July: czcams.com/video/EMEpxX7rS5I/video.html

    • @LuvBorderCollies
      @LuvBorderCollies Před rokem +29

      Somewhere in CZcams is a US Army film during the Korean War. Its main point was the 155mm M1 had to be checked for wear in various components. They showed the troops changing out the howitzer barrel. It covered a lot stuff that's important but little known outside the artillery units. The units and barrels were being worked in with no cover, just open air and hope it don't rain.

    • @lala-jp9kd
      @lala-jp9kd Před rokem +98

      I’ve seen it mentioned either on an earlier Perun video or elsewhere that factory level maintenance is being provided out of country in Poland and other Eastern Europe countries. This expressly included swapping out Artillery barrels as well as repair and maintenance of tanks and afvs.

    • @farmingganja5277
      @farmingganja5277 Před rokem +30

      @@ronblack7870 they have to ship the guns to Poland for service. It's been widely reported on...

  • @homeworksdone2378
    @homeworksdone2378 Před rokem +669

    New favorite Perun quote: you can't pay teachers and doctors and workers in cluster munitions

    • @HelgeHolm
      @HelgeHolm Před rokem +113

      It's USA. It's worth a try, at least?

    • @user-pj9ie4bs1z
      @user-pj9ie4bs1z Před rokem +104

      I think Perun underestimates how much your average American gun enthusiast would love to take one of those to the range

    • @ashvandal5697
      @ashvandal5697 Před rokem +58

      For real tho, Perun's one-liners are also a master class in dry sarcastic humor

    • @StonyCurtis
      @StonyCurtis Před rokem

      But Putin doesn't care about paying teachers! Russian schools have been closing due to lack of resources, remember this is a dictatorship we are talking about

    • @jeromebarry1741
      @jeromebarry1741 Před rokem +26

      TBH my dad told a story of 100 years ago an American school teacher asserted control over an unruly student body by demonstrating his handgun accuracy with a circular target drawn on a chalkboard.

  • @camustein5233
    @camustein5233 Před rokem +469

    As a Korean I am glad that RoK's obsession to firepower is finally mentioned in Perun! We still complain that we do not have enough stockpiles of 155mm ironically. We sometimes joke that the RoK army is the true successor of the Red Army.

    • @johnnyenglish583
      @johnnyenglish583 Před rokem +28

      It turns out you were right. Surgical air strikes are all very well and they can paralyse the enemy's capabilities temporarily (as can accurate HIMARS strikes against ammo depots, as carried out by Ukraine), but at the end of the day, if you're fighting a mid-20th century army like the Russian army, mass firepower prevails. You can't inflict enough losses on them with surgical strikes with Tomahawks etc. To this day, in spite of the war in Ukraine, the West still fails to realise that casualties like 200,000 are NOT a problem for Russia. In a democratic country, casualties of this sort might lead the country to quit the war. Not so in Russia. Recently it was leaked that the Russian HQ expects and is perfectly OK with the forecast 70,000 losses in the next 2-3 months. Yep, they're OK with that. So you need huge amounts of firepower to actually stop them because what is needed right now is at least 200,000 losses in half a year (which won't be possible, I'm afraid).

    • @harrymoyes5069
      @harrymoyes5069 Před rokem +10

      @@johnnyenglish583 I suspect the NATO combined arms strategy, would not work well against NATO. The assumption that ever more expensive aircraft will continue to evade anti aircraft missile technology is optimistic. Launching precision guided missiles from hugely expensive aircraft at long range, to protect those expensive aircraft from ground launched anti aircraft missiles is not an attractive proposition economically. I think one of the lessons to learn from the present conflict is that "establishing air superiority" is getting harder, and will get even harder in the future. Betting that stealth technology will continue to outrun detection technology is not a good bet, especially if the detection device is a cheap disposable one shot weapon that can put out huge amounts of scanning energy to breach the target's stealth measures, and only needs to survive until it hits its target.

    • @wiryantirta
      @wiryantirta Před rokem +9

      > artillery slugfest
      > my brother in buff Korean Jesus, your capital and largest metropolitan is within artillery range. How are y’all going to survive this XD

    • @orlock20
      @orlock20 Před rokem +7

      @@johnnyenglish583 A loss of 15 million Chinese soldiers is a rounding error compared to China's population. A jet fighter can only be on the battlefield for about 15 minutes so there needs some continuous pressure on such a hoard.

    • @AlphaAurora
      @AlphaAurora Před rokem

      Given the number of targets the "million-man army" you face in the RoK, I am not surprised.

  • @keithv3767
    @keithv3767 Před rokem +337

    The comments are generally where truth and civility go to die. Not on this channel. I look forward each week not only to Perun’s hour long power point, but a lot of intelligent conversation about them. It’s almost like this channel is what people hoped social media would be.

    • @Rafael_Fuchs
      @Rafael_Fuchs Před rokem +40

      Longform + the level of detail and information sets the tone to be far more serious and demanding from the individual. Most people are totally capable of being respectful, but the way social media is structured, it's not exactly encouraged. I'd honestly even say it's even discouraged more often than not. Being a turd on the internet gets you attention.

    • @rcpmac
      @rcpmac Před rokem +1

      As soon as “those” viewers realize that Hunter Biden won’t be mentioned, they move on.

    • @keithv3767
      @keithv3767 Před rokem +8

      @@rcpmac You are on to something there.

    • @brodericksiz625
      @brodericksiz625 Před rokem +16

      @@Rafael_Fuchs Also the long form scares away people without the attention span needed to listen to it all, making it so that the people who are likely to comment are also more likely to be more thoughtful and less trigger happy about spouting the very first thing that came to mind, regardless of its level of insight

    • @Rafael_Fuchs
      @Rafael_Fuchs Před rokem +5

      @@brodericksiz625 Yeah. That's part of what I was implying with "longform", but wasn't outright saying. It's a bit rude, and it isn't like YT blocks them from still making a comment even though they watched 40s of the video.
      They could also just come solely to flame in the comments given the subject matter. Case in point just above. rcpmac trying to make a divisive comment that offered no actual meaningful view or information.

  • @rknowling
    @rknowling Před rokem +143

    "historians are left wondering if anyone ever listens to them"
    Thankyou Perun- once again a superbly professional and educational presentation.
    I wish you all the best for 2023!

  • @Marcus-Lim
    @Marcus-Lim Před rokem +343

    This type of content is what the internet needs. In a half-decade defined by misinformation, Perun is the light at the end of the tunnel :)

    • @darrenneven8533
      @darrenneven8533 Před rokem +9

      Oh hell yeah! Isn't it quaint but overdue 🤔

    • @bilalthompson5475
      @bilalthompson5475 Před rokem +9

      AMEN BROTHER!

    • @aliasalias8433
      @aliasalias8433 Před rokem +6

      👍

    • @EinFelsbrocken
      @EinFelsbrocken Před rokem +10

      Always remain skeptical, even in the face of truth. Even Perun may not be perfect (although he sure as hell seems like it 😳)

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před rokem +1

      he might be the light at the end of the tunnel, but it's not because of light content 🙂

  • @johnmc8785
    @johnmc8785 Před rokem +398

    I have a friend, who's working for an NGO in Ukraine. In the course of his work, which involves training / managing EOD resources, he's made some interesting discoveries in captured Russian ordnance. They've found several lots of artillery propellant that are heavily degraded and/ or contaminated. He's described bag charges (for 152mm ?) that give off a tremendous vinegar / acetone odor. Many of the grains within the charges are broken into smaller pieces, and crumble when handled. He said it's clear from the conditions of crates and other containers, that this ordnance has been poorly stored for a very long time, probably outdoors, or under minimal protection from the environment. A likely result of this degradation is inconsistency between shots, that makes accurate fire even more difficult.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD Před rokem +91

      The nitrocellulose degraded. Same thing happens to old films in storage, because it's also nitrocellulose. I think they call it "vinegar syndrome" in the film restoration community too.

    • @adamh1228
      @adamh1228 Před rokem +54

      @@ChucksSEADnDEAD HAHA, i think there's a bad movie "studio" called vinegar syndrome, that primarily restores and re-publishes old B movies that would otherwise fall out of existence. I always thought it was some gross reference to their favorite movies, turns out its not a childish joke. Learn something new every day!

    • @dakaodo
      @dakaodo Před rokem +13

      @John Mc Thanks to you and your friend for sharing that unique insight!

    • @JRBendixen
      @JRBendixen Před rokem +10

      That is excellent news. Thank you 😎

    • @gitamic2287
      @gitamic2287 Před rokem +31

      Explains why there are intercepted calls of Russians complaining they're being shelled by their own guys.
      Operator error may still exist as some had paid to get out of mandatory military service or weren't even trained at military camp before the war and got mobilized. Although they got plenty practice now.

  • @GregMcNeish
    @GregMcNeish Před rokem +12

    "I get to sneakily turn this into a defense economics video."
    I actually cheered out loud when you said that. Economics

  • @riptide6161
    @riptide6161 Před rokem +76

    Brutally honest, in-depth analysis. One hour is difficult for most people, but for those of us who have the time, this is pure gold as far as information goes.
    Thank you!

    • @seth1455
      @seth1455 Před rokem +3

      I intended to just watch 5 or 10 minutes and ended up watching the whole thing, he is a natural story teller even if it is mostly facts and figures. The humourous inserts also hit the spot.

    • @amazingdany
      @amazingdany Před rokem

      It can shortened if using the fast-forward options. 1.5x faster is a good compromise for comprehension and _fastness._
      I personally watch all my videos at 1.75x. 😋

    • @generalgarchomp333
      @generalgarchomp333 Před 9 měsíci +1

      As someone who listens to these at work I love that they're all at minimum an hour long.

  • @richardgilman4602
    @richardgilman4602 Před rokem +548

    Perun, You touched every base on this home run hit. A might add, The South Korean conduit of artillery to Poland may be a way to get shells indirectly to Ukraine. The Polish Ministry of Defense, announced on December 6, 2022, South Korea delivered the first batch of ten K2 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) to Poland. The delivery also included the first K9 155mm self-propelled howitzer for the Polish army. The contract with South Korea was signed as part of a partnership deal with Poland for it to help foster sales to other EU countries for South Korea's burgeoning arms industry. Combat testing this armored equipment in a lend lease agreement with Ukraine would increase the marketability for it beyond Poland. The same is true for South Korean shells.

    • @czaja995
      @czaja995 Před rokem +75

      Poland is buying shells from Korea but at the same time their own production is at full capacity so most likely Polish shells are going to Ukraine and Korean are used as replacement, in case of K9 it's the same, Polish AHS Krab is going to Ukraine and K9 is it's replacement in polish military as they are very similar. From unofficial sources in Poland you can get info that more than 50 AHS Krab went to Ukraine. In case of MBT's it is most likely that after Poland receives all ordered Abrams and K2, all polish PT-91 will go to Ukraine because they are polish modernised version of T-72 and Ukraine soldiers know how operate them, I don't think that Korea will agree to give K2's to Ukraine but Poland can swap it's own armor and ammo for Korean and give domestically produce to Ukraine.

    • @miramari732
      @miramari732 Před rokem +94

      From Poland: birds are chirping that ammo is produced on wartime quantities, factories rehired all former employees, took a lot of new ones and are working 24/7. Also noone knows how many ukrainian factories were evacuated to polish territory and how many of them are producing ammo. We just know that many factories were evacuated (all machines and employees put on trains, send to some empty factory hall in Poland, unpacked and now continues production). There's no data how much of that ammo ends in Ukraine. We'll know it sometime after war

    • @sandervesik173
      @sandervesik173 Před rokem +11

      But realistically, Poland having new 155mm guns adds pressure to stock up more - more guns == less shells per gun.

    • @blackstone777
      @blackstone777 Před rokem +32

      @@sandervesik173 it's not just the shells. It's the BARRELS as well. they have a life span. X amount of shells fired per barrel leads to max amount fired from the barrel before the barrel is deemed ineffective. You can maybe fudge the numbers on the maximum fired, but the more you go over the max, the more ineffective that arty system will be.

    • @laars0001
      @laars0001 Před rokem

      Other countries making note: If we can trick West countries into thinking we are good guys then they stop making buying storing weapons and saving cash for who knows what.

  • @WWFanatic0
    @WWFanatic0 Před rokem +275

    One thing I love most about your channel is the constant reminder that all your statements have the key qualifier: *if nothing changes.*
    As an economist by training and military history enthusiast, it is maddening how many people talk about major issues be it in the economy or military as if trends go on forever. Running out of shells reminds me of how the world has had the fear that they'll run out of coal (and then oil) in a generation going back to the mid 1850s. Surprise, shortages prompt people to change behavior. Maybe that's developing more efficient engines or finding a new fuel type or simply finding a new mine, but they do something. They don't sit there thinking "Well we will run out of coal in 15 years. It's a shame but we had a good run."
    Same will go with artillery in this war. They might fail to meet their goals, and frankly you can never have too much artillery, but Russia and others will increase production. Maybe they'll be lower quality shells or rely more on smaller calibers like 122mm or maybe they'll massively increase production of 152mm and unguided rockets to meet their needs. They might meet production goals but have logistical issues (that are totally unrelated to every major ammo dump near the front having terrible safety standards and chainsmoking crews...). They might end up with a lower, but still advantageous consumption rate. There's a lot of variables but any assumption built on those variables being static isn't worth the paper its printed on.
    Between the in depth analysis, acknowledging the limits of what you know, and exercising some common sense, I absolutely love this channel. I recommend it to everyone I can who wants to learn more about these somewhat niche issues. Keep up the good work and I look forward to the day when this channel can cover the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a retrospective, not a real time analysis.

    • @XRP747E
      @XRP747E Před rokem +8

      Excellent comment. Thank you.

    • @CharlesHoop
      @CharlesHoop Před rokem +5

      I’m not uneducated in economics and I’m with you about the amazing way the market responds to incentives-in the long run. I hope I don’t word this in a way that sounds insulting, but, I’m not sure we watched the same video.
      Perun did everything you asked about in your comment. He talks extensively not only about current actual production but about about surge capacity over the next few months. And, he does cover things like Substitution of explosive types, use of different types of artillery or mortars as the quantity available to supply of 155mm exceeds the quantity demanded. And he’s limited by the naturally non-public nature of some of the information on the topic and I’m sure he’d agree that governments (and markets) may have ways to access supply and production that are not publicly known but just assuming those exist or can be made to exist goes beyond facts and into pure speculation.
      His focus is on 2023, which is essentially the immediate term, not the long. So, you can’t count on a technological solution analogous to, say, fracking to help.
      Assuming that a big pocketbook (demand) means automatic, short-term access to any resource you want (supply) is an assumption economists don’t generally make. It’s a classic demand shock and those are well known. Just watch spot prices for natural gas and heating oil when you get unexpectedly cold winter weather. Prices skyrocket b/c in the relevant time frames supply can’t change fast enough because even with willing buyers, supply is simply inflexible over those time frames even if things settle out over the medium term. In this case the relevant time frame is what can be financed, then made or procured, transported to Poland, then to Ukraine and then get into a howitzer within the coming months and that’s a very short time horizon. Putting aside price concerns by assuming DoD-sized budgets and the underlying issue still exists that in the very short term, supply or quantity supplied is potentially not as high as Ukraine wants / needs in the immediate term.

    • @laars0001
      @laars0001 Před rokem +4

      Would not russian artillery production and importing drop as their oil/gas revenues drop and their machinery break downs are unable to be repaired ?
      Seems like time is not on Putin's side here.

    • @WWFanatic0
      @WWFanatic0 Před rokem +20

      @@CharlesHoop I think you misunderstood my point. What I like about Perun's analysis is how he acknowledges that the world isn't static. When you start having shortages you find ways to increase production. You may not hit your goals, you may have to substitute inferior goods, you might ration in the short to medium term, but you don't just sit there and let the supply dwindle to zero.
      Where things will land and why is an open question. What's certain is that actors will adjust. The world is dynamic but much of the coverage elsewhere has a static nature to it.

    • @CharlesHoop
      @CharlesHoop Před rokem +12

      @@WWFanatic0 Maybe I did misunderstand your comment and we are on the same page. If so, Sorry!

  • @donuthole7236
    @donuthole7236 Před rokem +65

    Whoever thought an hour long You Tube video on artillery shell procurement could be so fascinating? 😯 Love your work, some of the best on topic!

  • @theblondesiouxsiesioux
    @theblondesiouxsiesioux Před rokem +39

    21:05 - 21:20
    That totally reminds me about the two Mosin-Ngant rifles my friend had; One was made in 1928, the working parts all looked well manufactired, as did the rest of the metal, The action worked very smooth (for a Ngant). The other Mosin he had was made in 1943 at the height of WW2. You could see machine marks over every single part of the damn thing (practically had machine marks on the stock lolz), and practically every working part on its assembly was hella rough to work. We always made jokes about Soviet war time production because of that.

    • @theblondesiouxsiesioux
      @theblondesiouxsiesioux Před rokem +8

      TLDR: Wartime production can be responsible for items of highly questionable quality. Take my friends Mosin-Ngant for instance.

    • @h8GW
      @h8GW Před rokem

      You're overly kind if you believe that qualified for tl;dr

    • @kemarisite
      @kemarisite Před 10 měsíci

      For the second rifle, at least it survived intact rather than having the barrel cut in half to make PPSh barrels.

    • @theblondesiouxsiesioux
      @theblondesiouxsiesioux Před 10 měsíci

      @@kemarisite I guess so. We used to see lots of Ngants dated 1941-44 (I think 44) at gun shows across the great basin.
      But then again we used to see literal TONS of Mosin Ngants at those gun shows so yeah. Don't see many Ngants anymore doe.

  • @jacob_90s
    @jacob_90s Před rokem +417

    Perun finding your channel has been one of the few silver linings of this war. The depth of your analysis and your respect for history and supporting evidence has really opened my eyes whenever I hear others speak about the war, and pretty much on any other subject I hear people proclamate about.
    So thank you for all the time and effort you put into your videos, and for reminding us of why having a critical eye is so important.
    And I know this isn't as important, but thank you as well for actually talking like a human being. I know you've mentioned before that you don't have a script, and frankly, I think it's a plus for your delivery. I've always found your videos incredibly easy to listen to.
    Happy New Year!

    • @cptbeeeeee
      @cptbeeeeee Před rokem +15

      The wry humor he injects makes it's so relatable and easy to digest.

    • @randomdude2832
      @randomdude2832 Před rokem

      propaganda is one of the silver linings?

    • @alexd832
      @alexd832 Před rokem +8

      @@randomdude2832 i think you misunderstand the word, a well thought, logical, not too biased explanation with various and ample sources from both sides to back it up is news (or good information)
      What you are doing THAT is propaganda
      See the difference?

    • @randomdude2832
      @randomdude2832 Před rokem

      @@alexd832 "a well thought, logical"
      it doesn't matter when he's analizing propaganda, propaganda in, propaganda out.
      and he tries to spin things like on his video for bombing infrastructure,
      " not too biased explanation"
      except, it's extremely biased, and it show more in the last few videos with the amounts of copium and hopium...
      " with various and ample sources from both sides"
      he does nit pick from both sides and just ignores what he doesn't like. and with the way the media just repeats what ukranian sources say (ghost of kiev, evacuation of azovstal) it's not hard to get many sources for the same propaganda line
      "What you are doing THAT is propaganda"
      'I'm not propaganda, you're propaganda'... sounds legit.

    • @alexd832
      @alexd832 Před rokem

      @@randomdude2832 then give an alternate viewpoint, with serious sources which aren't wrong 24/7
      I followed for some time various pro Russian sides and they consistently got things very wrong
      Ukrainans are never going to conquer anything back
      Follows Kharkiv offensive
      -Ukrainans are on the verge of breaking, two weeks and they are done
      3 months after that still running strong
      -I don't think even Ukraine thinks it can recapture Kherson
      3 days later...
      Ukraine is about to take Bakhmut, they have got to the railroad, they are done
      2 weeks after this...
      I am not even talking about one single source but multiple and i am only citing the most lampant and obvious errors and lies not the literally hundred other comments which either made no sense or contradicted each other.
      God, lately several people have been claiming Poland is about to conquer part of Ukraine.. i mean...they are literally giving all the military aid they can to Ukraine.. its as likely as Germany nuking Austria (and yes Germany doesn't have nukes)
      Yes there are some western media who do that too and guess what i am not reading those either (ghost of Kiev evacuation) but Perun has always provided a basis for his claims, claim's which have been far more accurate then many on both sides.
      And then i see you purposefully misinterpreting in a recent comment here (Ukraine needs all the ammo of the world) the video we both just watched...
      Tell me why should i believe you? Honestly with no malice or derision, i genuinely ask you why should I believe you?

  • @damaskosc
    @damaskosc Před rokem +3

    Perun:
    You can't attach a bayonet on a howitzer
    Games Workshop:

  • @BW-CZ
    @BW-CZ Před rokem +13

    A tiny bit late (I just discovered the channel recently, it's great!) but I just wanted to thank you for this video. I'm Czech and I never heard of any of this and in general the way a lot of stuff in our country goes I didn't expect our help to be much useful at all. So to learn that CSG is actually producing a huge number of crucial ammunition is almost unbelievable and very good news to me. It's nice to look at our country with something other than disappointment and frustration, and I never would have find out without your (high quality) video. Thanks!

  • @Tmb1112
    @Tmb1112 Před rokem +211

    I truly believe your hard work during this war will pay off for you. Your channel is growing fast. Hope it becomes very lucrative and that you can keep it up in the long term if this is what you want to do. It’s also paying off in helping educate hundreds of thousands of people, so you’re doing the world a service. Thanks, Perun.

    • @wodthehunter8145
      @wodthehunter8145 Před rokem +16

      Dude has beaten a lot of really talented military historians and observers and he still has a fairly new channel. I'd say its already paying off. It's a niche market and few, even really good ones, make it above 200k subs. Hes beaten The Chieftain, and Atun Shei: is rapidly catching up with Drachinifel, and I wouldn't be surprised if next year he's catching up with Mark Felton. It's well researched, informative, succinctly stated, and with just an occasional good joke. It makes you forget you are watching a literal 1 hr long powerpoint presentation. You know this guy aced every presentation he had to do in school.

    • @rodh1404
      @rodh1404 Před rokem +8

      I suspect that's something Perun has given a lot of thought to. The war in Ukraine will end at some point, and I suspect a lot of the audience he's built up will lose interest after that. But there's no doubt that a lot of people with a long term interest in this type of subject have also become aware of Perun's channel. So while the view count will probably drop dramatically, it will probably continue to have good numbers, relatively speaking.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před rokem +8

      @@wodthehunter8145 nobody on CZcams thought long form content like this which has basically no parasocial element could even reach a target audience this large, especially out of nowhere. Which shows us the real world events still can have a real impact on CZcams.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před rokem +3

      @@rodh1404 as long as his audience has grown larger and larger and he keeps making quality content I'm certain he'll retain a pretty big audience.

    • @randomdude2832
      @randomdude2832 Před rokem

      I guess goebles also got paid off....

  • @kyleslater5245
    @kyleslater5245 Před rokem +152

    I can’t believe you’ve managed to make an interesting PowerPoint presentation every week. I mean I hate them to start with so the fact that you’ve managed to seriously educate me about logistics in the process has been bloody impressive. I look forward to this even though i usually hate videos this long as they drag out too much.

    • @jessehachey2732
      @jessehachey2732 Před rokem +2

      That’s sad, how people don’t have the intellectual curiosity, or acumen to even sit through a long video 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️ Your education system is a joke! 😳

    • @alcoholdonkey
      @alcoholdonkey Před rokem +11

      @@jessehachey2732 to be fair, Perun is the exception as opposed to the rule of PowerPoint. Usually the presentation (and the presenter) is so dry it can put a energy drink to sleep. These are amazing demonstrations of how you're supposed to do it.

    • @artell9877
      @artell9877 Před rokem +3

      And not forgetting that Perun always specifies what (sub-)themes won't be covered. The PPT could have been much, much longer everytime..😉

    • @lasagnakob9908
      @lasagnakob9908 Před rokem +2

      @@alcoholdonkey It probably helps that Perun doesn't go over the 1 hour mark (where I assume some others' might go towards 2.) The humor that hits you out of the blue is awesome too, ngl lol

    • @kevinfinney8237
      @kevinfinney8237 Před rokem +1

      For the same reason I watch Drachinifel's naval war history videos, I watch Perun's videos on Ukraine. They are not too long if they are incredibly well presented and incredibly well done.

  • @Zei33
    @Zei33 Před rokem +132

    Your hard work has not gone unnoticed. Keeping such a consistent release schedule is very impressive. Good video, very interesting. As a Queenslander, it’s nice to know the government isn’t completely stupid about manufacturing.

    • @hlim431
      @hlim431 Před rokem

      Do tell us what manufacturing is left in Queensland or Australia

    • @Zei33
      @Zei33 Před rokem

      @@hlim431 MQ-28A

    • @nutsackmania
      @nutsackmania Před rokem

      aren't there like more people in texas than the entire country of australia

    • @Zei33
      @Zei33 Před rokem

      @@nutsackmania so? The US is basically the European Union. Bunch of separate countries under the same banner. You just use different labels. But the reality is, the states have differing laws much like the EU. Think of the federal government like the European council.

  • @SeniorDrummer
    @SeniorDrummer Před rokem +11

    Great information! I now know more than 99% of English speaking people about the ammunition subject in terms of the Russian/Ukraine war thanks to your well researched commentary! Will look forward to hearing from you again and finding other work that you done . Well done .

  • @harrywright6544
    @harrywright6544 Před rokem +13

    " you can't fit a bayonet to a howitzer when it runs out of ammunition" You can't with that attitude.

    • @macmcleod1188
      @macmcleod1188 Před rokem +1

      I picture a half dozen soldiers carrying an artillery Barrel with a huge bayonet on it charging the enemy line.

    • @harrywright6544
      @harrywright6544 Před rokem +2

      @@macmcleod1188 I'm willing to bet at least one British commanding officer at least thought about putting a bayonet onto a howitzer once.

  • @positroll7870
    @positroll7870 Před rokem +180

    Before watching:
    Rheinmetall seems to have bought an old Romanian plant producing heavy soviet ammo, planning to restart production.
    In November, the added a Spanish company, planning to ramp up 120 and 155mm ammo there.
    2 weeks ago they announced they would bring on medium caliber (20-40mm) production lines from Switzerland to Germany, starting ammo production for Gepard late spring.
    Oh, and the Ger parliament greenlighted 90 Mio EUR to create an updated SMArt 2.0 round with modern electronics.

    • @positroll7870
      @positroll7870 Před rokem +26

      Additional stuff Germany could and should do:
      Send the 30K old LARS 110MM missiles still on stockpile. They are safe enough to fire remotely from the back of a Toyota, as the Ukrainians are already doing with their old stuff
      Convert 10k M26AT2 missiles int versions carrying 4 SMArt warheads, as offered by Diehl in the 90s
      Do an early prototype run on WM1800 enforcer missiles, and hang 2 of them under a small verti drone as MBDA proposed a few years ago

    • @bliblablubb9590
      @bliblablubb9590 Před rokem +37

      Imagine a timeline where people cheer that Germany is buying up weapons and ammunition suppliers left and right. We truly live in marvelous times! "sniff"

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins Před rokem +13

      @@bliblablubb9590 *third times the charm?

    • @bliblablubb9590
      @bliblablubb9590 Před rokem +14

      @@AsbestosMuffins This time with much more allies against russia.

    • @TremereTT
      @TremereTT Před rokem

      @@AsbestosMuffins Declaring war on the world was a bit of a dumb idea...in hindsight. Well at least effort and commitment was put into that. I think the new approach slowly developing on front of our eyes is to anoy Russia while keeping several countries between us and them. So Russia might at some point attacks into those countries...and maybe one day in the future all our friends will ask us to please liberate Russia and who knows maybe we even will be tasked to liberate Königsberg, Belarus and shit Russia stole from the Finish guys.
      Not that we actually want anything of this...but if we are politely asked and don't lose our friends and willing bufferstates (wich is basically the same) in the process...we might consider getting our hands dirty.
      Poland and the Baltics would need to get into big trouble before USA and UK would allow Germany to do what should have been done before Russia had nukes. Let's face it the Tehran Conference of 1943 was not the best decision ever made...
      Yet I don't think France will ever allow Germany to go anywhere militarily. There is this understanding that among the two France will do the military dominance thing and Germany will do the economic dominance thing. This arrangement realy suits both states and all of Europe very well.
      So without France there will be no liberation of anything.

  • @hkkim5676
    @hkkim5676 Před rokem +14

    Korean 155mm stockpile hasn't announced, but we have some estimates of 105mm howitzer ammo. It is around 3.3~3.5 million, and it's enough amount for 100 years from now on if there's no major war during that time. Rumor in Korea says we have around 4 million 155mm rounds but nobody knows for sure...

    • @PerunAU
      @PerunAU  Před rokem +6

      4 million is reasonable but I agree, it's impossible to get good figures (which is understandable)

    • @unknowncommenter6698
      @unknowncommenter6698 Před rokem +1

      Yeah, that's only if there's no war. But if NK decides to do a little trolling, those millions would probably go out in a matter of months, especially if it's gonna be same levels of consumption as in Ukraine with tens of thousands shot every day.

  • @tarajones8790
    @tarajones8790 Před rokem +13

    Thank you. Because of all the controversial reports, I pretty much quit listening to anything having to do with ammunition shortages. Your extensive research and explanation has been greatly appreciated.

  • @janeharrison835
    @janeharrison835 Před rokem +121

    I had the priviledge of visiting the Czech Republic not long after the Velvet Divorce. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they and Slovakia would be at the forefront of ramping up military production that will help Ukraine. Lke Poland, they remember only too well the horrors of Soviet oppression, and will take any chance they can to get back at Moscow...
    And Perun, thanks for all the hard work and superb videos! Here's to many, many more 🥂

    • @blackstone777
      @blackstone777 Před rokem +1

      Remember, the major coup the Germans pulled off pre-Poland invasion was the annexation of Czechoslovakia and and acquiring the Skota munitions plants.

    • @janvesely6353
      @janvesely6353 Před rokem +13

      The other part of the story is that former Czechoslovakia and even before then Bohemian part of Austro-Hungarian empire was a major weapon producer, in some periods being in top 5 countries worldwide by weapons export. The tradition never stopped, though the industry was heavily scaled down for some time after velvet revolution when the outlook seemed more peaceful.

    • @enriqueperezarce5485
      @enriqueperezarce5485 Před rokem

      Oh right didn’t the Czech Republic change y their name legally to Czechia?

    • @janvesely6353
      @janvesely6353 Před rokem +2

      @@enriqueperezarce5485 nope, it just officially allows using 'Czechia' as an alternative shorter name.

    • @bluemarlin8138
      @bluemarlin8138 Před rokem +1

      @@janvesely6353 Yep. That’s the real reason the nazis wanted to annex the Sudetenland prior to WWII.

  • @Folgeantrag
    @Folgeantrag Před rokem +158

    Great and precise analyse as ever. I live in Germany/Hesse. 20km away from my home is the second largest ammunition Depot of the Bundeswehr. By public information there are stockpiled ca. 40000 tons of ammunition of all calibers. But ca. 40% are beyond theire lifespane. Some weeks ago there was an political outrage after it became known that compared to the numbers of shells/ammunition fired in Ukraine the Bundeswehr has just enough for 2-3 DAYS of fighting. Nobody in the MoD started to order new ammunition reserves or signed new contracts to the arms industry since february 24th to produce new shells. Now there is the aim to buy ammunition, including small arms, for 20 Billion €, but nobody can say who quickly this will happen. Germany spended some ammunition to Ukraine but just a friction of the US delieveries. Funding is not the greatest problem, it is the political capability to start a coherent planing to support Ukraine in a long war. But i am a little bit optimistic that German arms industry can close the gap but this will need time. Propably 1-2 years. The Ukraine army ordered hundred new PZH 2000 certainly with enough ammunition piles. Rheinmetall also build a new production factory for ammunition especially for the Gepard canons. But this will also need time. The Chancellor and the President said the right words and choose the right direction but until know we are too sluggish for immediate reforms and decisions to rearm the Bundeswehr and support Ukraine with everything they need.

    • @JamesAustin
      @JamesAustin Před rokem +13

      Yeah Perun's earlier video (czcams.com/video/8jDUVtUA7rg/video.html) about Germany's defence industry seemed a bit prescient when the various organisation issues came to light there, as the year came to a close.

    • @pouncepounce7417
      @pouncepounce7417 Před rokem

      The problem is that german politicans are risk adverse to an degree that would make ghandi throw grenades into peacefull protesting crowds.
      The west as a whole could bury ukraine neck deep in ammunition.
      With todays cnc systhems and an cooling economy everything made from metal for shells is laughable easy to supply, you will have suppliers waiting in line.
      On the chemical side i see no real issue, only fuses and other very shell specific items is an boottle neck as i see it, at least if you want quality.
      Barrels could be tricky, that is pretty much the only part where you can not just order a few from "someplace making stuff from metal"

    • @MrMakabar
      @MrMakabar Před rokem +11

      Rheinmetall has bought a Romania ammunition producer and a Spanish one this year, while somebody in NATO has bought a lot of rounds from Rheinmetalls South African part subsidiary. It is not only the German government, who can order things like shells from Germany either, so this might not be as big of a problem for Ukraine. After all the EU military funds are meant for exactly this type of situation.
      So it is much more likely that the Bundeswehr lacks ammunition, then Ukraine.

    • @pouncepounce7417
      @pouncepounce7417 Před rokem +6

      @@MrMakabar Ukraine has right now an army that is superior to the german one, I think the ammunition is better in ukrainian hands.

    • @geoffhaylock6848
      @geoffhaylock6848 Před rokem +3

      @@MrMakabar Buying up existing production doesn't help increase supply. And who is to say that Germany isn't buying this production capacity to increase its own stock?

  • @pedroprague
    @pedroprague Před rokem +19

    Very impressive video. I admire that a lot of research have been done before publishing this video. Please also bear in mind that some ammunition is still made in ex-soviet countries (I am from Slovakia). There are factories in Bulgaria which have been in full production over all 2022 selling soviet calibers ammunition to Poland ;). There are still production in Poland, Czech Republic for soviet weapons used by Ukraine. In addition there were deliveries of 155mm from Pakistan. So it is not only US stock, but supplies are from all around the world. Production is also growing inside Ukraine itself. So Ukraine will have some kind so supply over longer period of time. With the devastation of Russian bases in Ukraine and warehouses they logistic will by under very strong pressure. I hope that finally Russia will withdraw from the conflict during 2023. I really hope so.

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 Před rokem +10

    No matter how many times I hear it, the shell consumption in WW1 is just mind boggling. There were so many shells fired that practically every inch of ground was hit at one point or another. How anyone survived was just blind luck.

  • @SRFriso94
    @SRFriso94 Před rokem +71

    “When Hollywood makes Lord of War 2, the arms dealers are going to be the good guys.” I was in a full train when I reached that bit, and it was really hard not to burst out laughing. Lord of War is one of my favorite movies, so that was extra funny to me.

    • @shmeckle666
      @shmeckle666 Před rokem +7

      No. Probably just follow Viktor Bout after being released by the US recently last month. Since the first one was heavily inspired by him and others.

    • @anna-flora999
      @anna-flora999 Před rokem +1

      ​@@shmeckle666 that would make for a very boring movie

    • @zopEnglandzip
      @zopEnglandzip Před rokem +6

      @@anna-flora999 3rd floor windows and trips to north Korea maybe could make it interesting.

    • @peceed
      @peceed Před rokem +1

      Oh shit, I thought they already were good guys in Lord of War 1 ;)

    • @CMY187
      @CMY187 Před rokem +3

      Lord of War (2005) is my favorite movie of all time. Though in my opinion, there are no good guys. Orlov in the movie would sell to anyone who is willing to pay him (he made an exception with Bin Laden because the guy had a reputation for failing to pay his suppliers)

  • @independentomega2701
    @independentomega2701 Před rokem +198

    I would like to address a point that you made in your presentation regarding the American definition of "Serviceable Ammunition" being different than the Russian one. I am a US Navy Veteran, from 2009-2013, and my job was taking care of explosives and ammunition. We didn't have any artillery shells, but we had small arms ammunition, rockets, and missiles.
    We routinely issued ammunition to people who were intending to use it in combat, as opposed to in training, that was dated during the Vietnam war.

    • @paulmcgregor6411
      @paulmcgregor6411 Před rokem +52

      I have see videos of 155 rounds supplied to Ukraine from rounds given to Italy for U.S.A. that were manufactured in the 60’s. It was pointed out the if the shells had been stored correctly they would be fine, especially if more modern fuses were used.
      It may not be the latest or greatest, but if it does the job, then it’s all good!

    • @robertsneddon731
      @robertsneddon731 Před rokem +79

      @@paulmcgregor6411 The shells themselves aren't an issue generally. A fifty year old shell that goes bang with 90% of the yield of a modern-manufacture shell is Bad News for the shell's intended recipient regardless. The real worry is the propellant charge behind the shell that is supposed to provide a consistent muzzle velocity (ca. 800m/s for NATO 155mm shells at full charge for maximum range). Aged and badly stored propellant charges will not be predictable and consistent and not throw the shell the distances expected, dropping the shells short and rendering them ineffective.

    • @dennisyoung4631
      @dennisyoung4631 Před rokem +19

      Doesn’t storage in a climate-controlled environment help with propellant longevity?

    • @blackstone777
      @blackstone777 Před rokem +59

      @@dennisyoung4631 absolutely. which brings up the pic he had of Russian ammo stored out in the open, exposed to cold, rain, snow, ice, etc. And that pic was from 2010. How effective is that ammo after years of exposure to the environment?

    • @ronkolek613
      @ronkolek613 Před rokem +25

      @@blackstone777 that really put the ‘dump’ in ammo dump…….

  • @jimtalbott9535
    @jimtalbott9535 Před rokem +9

    A while back I worked for a company involved with “Demilitarization” work - and I can say that these processes move VEERRRRRY SLOOOWLY. So most of that cluster-joy isn’t going anywhere fast. Ironically, one obstacle to delivering that sort of ammo to Ukraine would be the disposal companies lobbyists; they make big sweaty gobs of cash from some of that work. Letting the Ukrainians “dispose” of it for us makes a great deal of sense though.

  • @firstmkb
    @firstmkb Před rokem +6

    Enjoy your VERY well-deserved break!
    The channel is great for me because I get some understanding of Ukraine, without having to source the details that you thrive on.
    I may not be educated on it, but am certainly less ignorant!

  • @serhiy-serhiiv
    @serhiy-serhiiv Před rokem +257

    Hey Perun, may i suggest a video topic: history of Ukrainian weapon exports. It's a topic that is sometimes brought up (like when discussing the T-84), however, there's barely any content on it.
    UPD: Yes, i am aware that task and purpose did a video on T-84. However, the comment was discussing Ukrainian exports in general and only brought up the T-84 as an example.

    • @kit888
      @kit888 Před rokem +17

      Yeah, some of the Stugna-p screen shots have Arabic writing because they are export models.

    • @borisstanislav4560
      @borisstanislav4560 Před rokem +15

      Literally Task And Purpose just did a video on the T-84 a day or 2 ago.

    • @insaniacproductions5775
      @insaniacproductions5775 Před rokem +5

      "Task & Purposes" did a video just yesterday on the T-84

    • @killer3000ad
      @killer3000ad Před rokem +5

      Task and Purpose did a video on the T-84 tank that Ukraine developed after becoming an independent nation. He has also covered a variety of other individual weapon systems used in the conflict. Also check out channels like RedEffect and LazerPig who also concentrate on specific weapon systems. Perun tends to look at things from the big picture (forest view) rather than the smaller things like individual weapon systems (the trees) and I like this content.

    • @theovansteijn1135
      @theovansteijn1135 Před rokem +3

      On "abandoned places" a CZcams channel once was an upload of the biggest tank manufactoring company of the USSR now out of business. In Charkov Ukrain hundreds of most Sovjet style tanks from the T60 and onwards standing in rows upon rows, rusting away I wonder if this upload can still be found.

  • @CastawayHikes
    @CastawayHikes Před rokem +89

    I absolutely love your in-depth, long form presentations. You have a talent for making these incredibly detailed yet always interesting. Thank you Perun

  • @heretical_cuttlefish
    @heretical_cuttlefish Před rokem +11

    35:19
    Given how many Americans, myself included, often feel like we are talking to a brick wall when we say that our allies should step up to the plate when it comes to military production, this is actually a comfort to hear

  • @alanchristensen5735
    @alanchristensen5735 Před rokem +6

    Most informative, comprehensive and complete discussion of munitions I have ever heard. Thanks for doing it. Retired USMC Gunnery Sergeant. I fired some of those DPICM rounds in Iraq in 2003.

  • @ktsaylor5947
    @ktsaylor5947 Před rokem +56

    This dropped about an Hour Ago, and already has about 2.5k Views !
    A testament to the quality of the content and value to the viewers - Thx Perun for the insights, amalgamation of such broad categories of information and humor in your delivery.

    • @darrenneven8533
      @darrenneven8533 Před rokem +2

      We're hungry...

    • @willgary8792
      @willgary8792 Před rokem

      @@darrenneven8533 it really is crazy how little of this type content is out there

    • @Bill_Garthright
      @Bill_Garthright Před rokem

      I'm often weeks behind in watching videos from the channels I subscribe to. But this one always jumps the queue, because I know it's going to be great.

  • @toysoldier6093
    @toysoldier6093 Před rokem +130

    These videos are often my favorite part of any given week. That being said, please don't hesitate to ease up on production if you're getting fatigued. I know the algorithm punishes inconsistency, but I'd be happy with shorter or less research-intensive videos every once in a while that give you a chance to catch your breath.

    • @dawnmoriarty9347
      @dawnmoriarty9347 Před rokem +18

      Better less frequent Perun than broken Perun

    • @SideKickStudios
      @SideKickStudios Před rokem +9

      Agreed. Highlight of the week in terms of bite size portion of well scripted and researched information. And the best part is while often speculative, it does paint a picture that despite the odds, Ukraine truly has the potential to be David and beat the Goliath for good this time.

    • @jcorey333
      @jcorey333 Před rokem +6

      I don't want Perun overexerting himself, I'd rather lighter weeks or breaks once in a while, too.

    • @brucebarnard61
      @brucebarnard61 Před rokem +5

      I say quality over quantity 🤔

    • @bos1200
      @bos1200 Před rokem +2

      Peruns powerpoints is still the best content Ive found on the war. Hell, some of the best content on the platform, period. Thank you Perun.

  • @TheEvilMrJeb
    @TheEvilMrJeb Před rokem +4

    323k views in 14 hours. And your channel has about 321k subs. Either your engagement is super high and a few people re-watch, or a bunch of people watch multiple times. Either way I am happy for your success Perun.

    • @murdo_mck
      @murdo_mck Před rokem

      It's topical content so many (maybe most) views are from non subscribers. That's why view counts and subscribers have grown exponentially.

  • @johnwhitehurst474
    @johnwhitehurst474 Před rokem +1

    My self am Retired Mil. I have to give you credit! You have come a long ways with the grasp you have of war. Military, Politics around it, on and on. Not just a talking head. Happy new year to you and yours! Keep it up!

  • @sixstringedthing
    @sixstringedthing Před rokem +127

    I'm sure everyone would have been fine with Perun taking a well-earned break between xmas and new year's yet here he is with another excellently researched analysis, demonstrating his impressive level of commitment to producing this content once again. Bravo mate, hope you have a great NYE and kickoff of 2023, cheers! 🍻

    • @cy-one
      @cy-one Před rokem +6

      Yep, when I read his post about this video being dropped in a few hours, I was like "Oh... We get another video this year? Didn't expect that, but thankoo :3"

    • @darrenneven8533
      @darrenneven8533 Před rokem +2

      Mmmhmm. Have a great Nye👍

    • @dawnmoriarty9347
      @dawnmoriarty9347 Před rokem +2

      Definitely a bonus

    • @phoenixfridge1495
      @phoenixfridge1495 Před rokem +1

      I agree
      HNY to all

  • @dennisfreeberg7279
    @dennisfreeberg7279 Před rokem +87

    In the early 90's there was an auction at the Presto Manufacturing facility in Eau Claire, Wisconsin and I went to check it out. All of the old machine tooling to make shells were being sold for pennies on the dollar, and I assume most of it went for scrap. All of this old tooling and machinery was in excellent shape, as the U.S. government had been paying Presto to maintain the equipment in peak condition since World War II. I wonder how many of these plants were scrapped after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    • @Elkarlo77
      @Elkarlo77 Před rokem +19

      Germany had stated owned underground shell factories in case of a Nuclear strike, to produce around 100k Shells. Were dissasembled in the 00's.

    • @BearOldcastle
      @BearOldcastle Před rokem +3

      @@Elkarlo77 ok do tell any famous ones or spiegel articles?

    • @mrsock3380
      @mrsock3380 Před rokem +23

      If it's WW2 technology being preserved it was a good decision to scrap them, not long ago watched a WW2 production video of what looks like 105 artillery rounds, it took 10 individual machines to make one bare projectile, I'm a machinist and have operated machines in the 90s that you could load a forging in and pull out a finished projectile except the driving band in minutes. Converting that old stuff to produce 155 wouldn't be worth anyones time.

    • @murphy7801
      @murphy7801 Před rokem +3

      I suspect not many where scrapped tbh. When came to defense manufacturing. If it was inside russia. They kept going because they could make export money.

    • @dennisfreeberg7279
      @dennisfreeberg7279 Před rokem +7

      @@mrsock3380 I was a Manufacturing Engineer, so I would agree with you wholeheartedly on that. I wasn't saying it was a bad decision to scrap them, I was just commenting on how long the U.S. kept so many of these old plants available for so long. While I was working at Giddings & Lewis Machine Tool in the 90s (now Fives/Giddings & Lewis) we were making huge mills and lathes for the big arsenals like Watervliet and Rock Island. I assume those are now making shells and missiles for the government.

  • @KevinMitchell1963
    @KevinMitchell1963 Před rokem +1

    Thanks. I’ve really appreciated the channel this year and look forward to seeing more once you are appropriately refreshed next year

  • @allenfromalameda5691
    @allenfromalameda5691 Před rokem +7

    Unbelievably detailed analysis. I know more about this issue now than I ever have. Happy New Year. Thank you for your content. Slava Ukraine

  • @human_isomer
    @human_isomer Před rokem +78

    I think one of the reasons your PPPs without any moving pictures are so successful is the sophisticated irony woven into the sometimes a bit dry(-ish) content.
    And of course the very thoroughly investigated and researched data - goes without saying ;)
    Happy new year, looking forward to all of your coming presentations 🎉🧨🎆🦘

  • @GARDENER42
    @GARDENER42 Před rokem +50

    I note that BAE is constructing a new 155mm production line at its factory in Washington, (Tyne & Wear, UK) to double capacity.
    This will be the L15 which is TNT/RDX filled.

    • @ivancho5854
      @ivancho5854 Před rokem +3

      Excellent news. 🇺🇦🇬🇧

    • @willbxtn
      @willbxtn Před rokem +10

      Increased economic activity in NE England? Good.
      More shells for Ukraine? Good.
      Russia being annoyed about that? Very good.

  • @jonoxford6447
    @jonoxford6447 Před rokem

    A very good presentation, Happy New Year Perun. I look forward to your presentations in 2023.

  • @daiakunin
    @daiakunin Před rokem +1

    Happy new year to Perun and everyone! Looking forward to year full of surprisingly interesting hour long PowerPoint presentations!

  • @DM-ci5uv
    @DM-ci5uv Před rokem +51

    Thank you, Perun! Seeking your videos since the start of this senseless war for answers to questions I didn’t know I had. Keep up the great work! Wishing this awful war ends soon and you can inform us on other niche defense economic topics we actually all keep craving for each week. Best wishes to all affected in Ukraine and you all! Cheers!

  • @TJRex01
    @TJRex01 Před rokem +32

    “I get to sneakily turn this into a defense economics video” - look Perun, we all know why we are here, there is no need to be coy about it

  • @JustinTimeEnglishClip
    @JustinTimeEnglishClip Před rokem +2

    Nice one! Many thanks. Happy New Year 🙂

  • @johnm900
    @johnm900 Před rokem +8

    I have been an avid viewer of your videos since day 1. The content and delivery are always spot on and from my point of view present an informed and ‘neutral’ narrative, and what’s not to like about your Ozzie sense of humour !! Happy New Year to You and visitors to this platform. Let’s hope 2023 is better than the last 2 or 3 years. 🤞

  • @alanholck7995
    @alanholck7995 Před rokem +13

    I recall Churchill (who was Minister of Munitions in WW1) saying somewhere that when you ramp up production, the first year, you get nothing. By the end of the second year, you get at trickle. The third year, you get a lot, and the fourth year, you get huge amounts.

  • @michaelneuwirth3414
    @michaelneuwirth3414 Před rokem +42

    This channel teaches you more about history, politics and the military in a few hours than you would have learned in years of watching TV. I hope that at the end of this war the Ukrainian army will award Perun with a medal.

    • @splattbinat1542
      @splattbinat1542 Před rokem +15

      And with none of that unnecessary bells and whistles of Tv shows. No loud dramatic music and all that crap. Just the facts presented straight like we are adults.

    • @darrenneven8533
      @darrenneven8533 Před rokem +3

      Nailed it! Hammer 🔨 time Michael. Stay safe

    • @dawnmoriarty9347
      @dawnmoriarty9347 Před rokem +5

      @@splattbinat1542 yep, not frustrating cliffhanging questions about the super obvious. SUCH a relief to find adult aimed education

  • @shaunh5316
    @shaunh5316 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Perun and best wishes for 2023.

  • @ronzelina6682
    @ronzelina6682 Před rokem +3

    Ahoj, děkuji za vaši práci, šťastný nový rok. jsi požehnáním pravdy.
    Thanks, happy new year.

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Před rokem +29

    Wow! What an amazing deep dive into an absolutely crucial & pivotal aspect of the war. No one else is doing this kind of analysis at this level and I'm very grateful for it.👏🙌⚔🙏🇺🇦

  • @Kirkrrr
    @Kirkrrr Před rokem +33

    Perun, you're one of the best when it comes to providing clear-eyed, non-biased information regarding this gross war. Please take a well-deserved break, have a great holiday, and I look forward to your videos in the new year. Thank you so much for your work.

  • @berthika1219
    @berthika1219 Před rokem +4

    No such thing as a dumb question. Thank you for all you have done in the last year. Best content on CZcams by far. Don't need fancy upgrades to you presentations. Concentrate on the research you do which is what make them so fascinating. I've listened to every presentation you have done and I can now with about 95% accuracy predict when you are about to say 'what do I know'!

  • @ramonpunsalang3397
    @ramonpunsalang3397 Před rokem +1

    Happy New Year Perun! Looking forward to more of your consistently informative and excellent analyses. Thank you.

  • @sciencetube4574
    @sciencetube4574 Před rokem +54

    Perun getting fast with those uploads. Happy New Year, everyone. May it bring peace to Ukraine, and hopefully freedom to Russia.

  • @MrMingmang
    @MrMingmang Před rokem +24

    I started watching these videos because it reminded of the intelligence briefings I would receive while deployed. Now I watch them because you're by far one of the most well put together sources of information out there.

  • @rainieresguerra4780
    @rainieresguerra4780 Před rokem

    Excellent..as always. Thank you and Happy New Year.

  • @andrewmossop6241
    @andrewmossop6241 Před rokem

    Happy New Year! Very interesting, thanks for all the hard work you have put in to the production.

  • @varga88d
    @varga88d Před rokem +46

    Thank you, Perun, for all the hard work this year!

  • @meowmeowmeow1243
    @meowmeowmeow1243 Před rokem +27

    Countries like Romania and Finland chose not to disclose what they are sending to Ukraine. But i can tell you that Romania reopened two large ammunition factories for mortar and 152mm shells, and they are delivering as much as they can to Ukraine. We will probably know more after the war is over and Russia breaks apart.

    • @nian60
      @nian60 Před rokem +3

      Interesting, thanks for the info.

    • @Shatterfury1871
      @Shatterfury1871 Před rokem +3

      And 122 mm shells are being sent.

    • @ivancho5854
      @ivancho5854 Před rokem +6

      The same goes for Bulgaria. 👍
      Slava Ukraine. 🇺🇦🇬🇧

    • @Marvin-dg8vj
      @Marvin-dg8vj Před rokem +6

      Also the Czech Republic has big political reasons to keep Russia away from the Western parts of the Ukraine .
      It has sent tanks, afvs and self propelled guns on a significant scale

    • @macmcleod1188
      @macmcleod1188 Před rokem +5

      I suspect one challenge for Russia is maintaining sufficient power to hold client states that don't want to be client states. But I recall what happened to Yugoslavia in 1996.
      There is a lot of internal hatred towards muscovites.

  • @patrickb1303
    @patrickb1303 Před rokem +2

    Always good to see more moderate estimates of what’s going on. So tired of the CZcams accounts who are just saying “Russia is completely fucked and the whole army is revolting.” When we know that’s crap. Being sent as cannon fodder is a Russian military tradition. Has been since the Tsars.

  • @appstratum9747
    @appstratum9747 Před rokem +1

    Thanks, Perun. A fantastic channel that you should be very, very proud of. It has been invaluable this year.

  • @occamraiser
    @occamraiser Před rokem +78

    Quality workmanship as ever. Thanks a million.
    And, Happy New Year ofc.

  • @flashnfantasy
    @flashnfantasy Před rokem +51

    “Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.”
    - Army General John J. Pershing

    • @kenoliver8913
      @kenoliver8913 Před rokem +6

      Or: "Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics" - Gen Robert H Barrow, USMC

  • @MichaelBerthelsen
    @MichaelBerthelsen Před rokem +2

    OK, the mental image of a bayonet on a Haubitzer just made me giggle. Gotta love the excellent content, interspersed with the snide commentary! ❤👍

  • @carmenbaldwin8667
    @carmenbaldwin8667 Před rokem

    This is great. I'm going to have to listen to it again. Such comprehensive information so well presented. I'm going to go back and check out your older stuff. Thanks.

  • @markdailey611
    @markdailey611 Před rokem +57

    If I could give this more than one thumbs up, I would. Just enough humor--or is it humour?--to keep me engaged throughout the entire video. Like many others have stated, I look forward to these each week. But as others have also stated, your health is more important than production. We can and will wait eagerly for your videos but at a rate you can sustain.
    Have a safe and happy new year!

    • @seth1455
      @seth1455 Před rokem

      it's humour, given he's Australian and is speaking English 🙂

  • @georgevelez6388
    @georgevelez6388 Před rokem +8

    OP: "Be aware this is a Perun video..."
    Me: Yes, that is why I am watching it! Hit me with budgets, contracts, procurement issues, numbers, guess, historical data and more! 😀

  • @whynotfr
    @whynotfr Před rokem +2

    From a game channel on youtube to one of best source of smart information about current war in Ukraine.... Amazing.

  • @christophercastaneda917
    @christophercastaneda917 Před rokem +1

    I’ve really appreciated your efforts and work this year. Thank you!! Enjoy some rest and keep up the great work!

  • @jdelark6428
    @jdelark6428 Před rokem +58

    An unexpected post-Christmas treat!
    Happy New Year Perun and my fellow procurement enthusiasts!

  • @jonathananonymouse7685
    @jonathananonymouse7685 Před rokem +16

    "...a statement that may lose me a significant share of my audience..."
    My brother, those you lose because their ego is too fragile to deal with the simple and irrefutable fact that the U.S. isn't #1 across the board... they weren't worth having in your audience. You're better off without them.
    Keep up the good work. We appreciate you.

    • @odinsrensen7460
      @odinsrensen7460 Před rokem

      "they weren't worth having in your audience"
      The YT algo doesn't care about their character. Subs are subs.

    • @jonathananonymouse7685
      @jonathananonymouse7685 Před rokem +1

      @@odinsrensen7460 I don't care about algorithms. Doms are doms.

    • @odinsrensen7460
      @odinsrensen7460 Před rokem

      @@jonathananonymouse7685 I don't think what you care about is the issue here, but what Perun cares about. And what's a "dom" in your particular lexicon?

    • @teresabenson3385
      @teresabenson3385 Před rokem +3

      As an American, I can say that anyone who would unsubscribe over that issue would not be watching Perun's videos in the first place. He's too objective and evidence-based for them. There are plenty of "rah rah, U.S.A. is the best" channels available to them.

    • @teresabenson3385
      @teresabenson3385 Před rokem +1

      @@odinsrensen7460 Perun has indicated that he doesn't pursue subs, he already has a good day job. He donates contributions from his patrons to Ukranian aid organizations. His motivation is to spread truth in a cyberworld full of distortion and sensationalization.

  • @Jenkss
    @Jenkss Před rokem +1

    Fantastic video again mate. Super detailed, entertaining and well researched. I wish you all the best in 2023.

  • @jarlesol3865
    @jarlesol3865 Před rokem +2

    Thank you for your videoes. It is refreshing to see someone that put so mutch efford into resercing and presenting facts. Wish you a happy new year.

  • @airborneranger-ret
    @airborneranger-ret Před rokem +8

    An old Avalon Hill game - "Afrika Corps" - used supply "counters" to determine a side's ability to attack. No matter how strong you were, no supplies = no offensive operations. You really had to watch your supply "level".
    35:23 - "Americans are not the be-all and end-all of weapons production" - say it ain't so. :(
    43:00 - "It could be ..." lol
    1:07:56 - "I game sometimes" - kudos to you. ;)

  • @jimdale9143
    @jimdale9143 Před rokem +13

    Gen. Carl von Clausewitz had much to say on the fog of war. War in today's information age suffers from a fog of information. As you point out in your introduction a flood of misinformation and disinformation can make it difficult to understand what is really happening. Thank you for cutting through the fog and bringing clarity to key issues. Since an informed public is necessary for democracy to function, the work you are doing is far more valuable than I suspect you give yourself credit for. Again, thank you so much for your excellent work. Have a happy new year and a successful 2023.

    • @grimreaper492
      @grimreaper492 Před rokem

      This dude is just taking a few articles then cherrypicking pro-ukrainian information and leaving out anything that might cast a positive spin on Russia then making it into a presentation of some sort. An anti disinformation piece it does not make.

  • @janetwilliams7705
    @janetwilliams7705 Před rokem

    Thank you so much. Happy New Year!

  • @wespeakforthetrees
    @wespeakforthetrees Před rokem

    Great video. Thanks for all your effort. Have a happy new year!

  • @smartguy360
    @smartguy360 Před rokem +13

    Well done Perun, these videos are like going to college without all the boring parts I feel like we are all going to become experts in geopolitics and warfare thanks to you

  • @Hansengineering
    @Hansengineering Před rokem +9

    You've got a great ability to insert dry humor at just the right periodicity.

  • @ryanhanks4852
    @ryanhanks4852 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for another great video! Happy New Year. Don't get burned out, you have done great work. Just subscribed to your Patreon by the way!

  • @LT_Cancer
    @LT_Cancer Před rokem +1

    Found your channel about a month ago. Epic content. Thank you so much

  • @SteinhauerNews
    @SteinhauerNews Před rokem +6

    35:45 Actually , I found this very good to know. The channel I am on has a trainer that went to Ukraine, and he use this exact description (how many rounds the Ukrainians are using, and how many rounds the US is sending). Telling us US rounds were going to run out in months. Now he’s probably watching this today so he’s probably gonna calm down on that note. Thank you.

  • @Potatoshaneko
    @Potatoshaneko Před rokem +5

    Take a break if you need mate, don't burn yourself out. The content you produce is excellent, people will be happy to wait for it.

  • @mschwage
    @mschwage Před rokem

    Happy new year! Thank you for your extensive and interesting research on the war in Ukraine. It's been very educational.

  • @randyhergenrether6914

    Happy New Year Perun, great informational videos

  • @ProtonCannon
    @ProtonCannon Před rokem +14

    I cannot put to words how thankful I am for all your hard work in 2022. Despite all your travels, illness and everything that befell upon you. Thank you, THANK YOU for everything you have done for the community. I hope hope amongst hope that 2023 will be a year when we will need to talk less about wars but only time can tell. Happy New Year Perun!

  • @IlQSTO
    @IlQSTO Před rokem +5

    I'm a simple man, I see a Perun video, i watch it immediately

  •  Před rokem

    Great Video. Thx all the info during these times

  • @darius1988
    @darius1988 Před rokem +2

    All the best to Perun! As always, great video and review.
    Best wishes from Baltics, Lithuania!