Small Drones & Loitering Munitions in Ukraine - The terrifying rise of cheap precision
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Description:
While the news often focuses on the role of large, expensive systems in the Ukraine war (think of the attention given to tanks, aircraft, or MLRS and SAM systems in recent weeks and months) some of the most omnipresent and disruptive systems have actually been terrifyingly cheap and accessible.
Off-the-shelf commercial drones converted for military use have been deployed by the truckload, while some of Russia's more successful weapons have been comparatively cheap loitering munitions and kamikaze drones like the Iranian Shahed and Russian Lancet. Videos of equipment destroyed by drones that might cost a thousandth of the price have become image of the war across social media.
In this video, I examine the use of these (often civilian) systems in the war in Ukraine, look at international developments, and ask what lessons we can take from the terrifying rise of cheap sensor and cheaper precision on the battlefield.
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Caveats and corrections:
I mispronounce "Shahed" on several occasions
I refer to the Mavic 2 and 3 together - they are not comparable, with the 3 being far more common as a drone supplied to lower level units in Ukraine
I call the Norwegian Black Hornet Drone Danish (big oof)
I refer to to the saturation of drones across the front - I should clarify that the reporting on that point is anecdotal and may only relate to specific sections of the front where drone activity is that its most dense.
I also wish to be clear that I do not at all endorse the modification or use of drones for purposes other than those legally allowable in your jurisdiction.
Sources & Further reading:
RUSI - Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February-July 2022
rusi.org/explore-our-research...
JOINT AIR POWER COMPETENCE CENTRE (JAPCC) - A Comprehensive Approach to Countering Unmanned Aircraft Systems
www.japcc.org/books/a-compreh...
www.japcc.org/wp-content/uplo...
JAPCC - Denial of Spectrum Denial
www.japcc.org/essays/denial-o...
Department of Defense Announces Successful Micro-Drone Demonstration
www.defense.gov/News/Releases...
UK on drone developments
www.defensenews.com/global/eu...
My thanks to those in Ukraine and elsewhere who consulted in relation to this episode.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - OPENING WORDS
00:01:23 - WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT
00:04:09 - MEET THE UAS
00:04:17 - Classifying Drones
00:07:59 - Another Take On The Divide
00:08:32 - SYRIA AND THE DONBAS
00:09:53 - The War In The Donbas
00:11:54 - WEAPONS OF THE UKRAINE WAR
00:12:15 - "Mavics"
00:13:47 - Thermal & Heavier Drones
00:15:25 - Loitering Munitions
00:16:23 - "FPVs"
00:18:03 - CAUTION AND CAVEATS
00:18:13 - A Very Public Side Of War? 00:19:03 - Publication Biases
00:20:06 - Security & Secrecy
00:21:13 - A Personal Warning
00:22:13 - DRONE USAGE
00:22:18 - Employment At All Levels
00:23:17 - Reconnaissance
00:24:55 - Artillery Correction
00:27:30 - Coordination
00:28:41 - Strike Role
00:34:18 - Whet It Goes Wrong - RU & UA Drops
00:36:11 - Fear & Isolation
00:38:07 - THE RUSSIAN EXPERIENCE
00:40:33 - LOITERING MUNITIONS
00:40:43 - The Lancet Threat
00:41:35 - The Shahed Campaign
00:42:22 - Ukrainian Loitering Munitions
00:43:09 - LOGISTICS & SUPPLY
00:43:18 - The Role Of Volunteers
00:44:35 - Artisanal Work At Industrial Scale
00:46:15 - COUNTERS & EFFECTIVENESS
00:47:23 - Electronic Warfare
00:48:51 - New Problems, Old Solutions
00:49:54 - The Very Old (and Odd)
00:51:34 - Counter-operator Operations
00:52:39 - GLOBAL DEVELOPMENTS
00:52:55 - Tactical Tools
00:53:54 - Swarm Technology
00:55:27 - Deployability
00:56:02 - Networking And Going Solo
00:57:15 - A THREAT PROFILED
00:57:22 - Extreme Accessibility
00:58:18 - The Shot Exchange Problem
00:59:16 - Nowhere To Hide
01:00:07 - LESSONS & NEXT STEPS
01:00:17 - The Battle For Awareness & Precision
01:01:24 - Availability & Attritability
01:03:25 - The Drones Will Get Better
01:04:12 - Need For Efficient Countermeasures
01:05:08 - Training & Doctrine
01:06:19 - Evolving Threats
01:06:57 - CONCLUSIONS
01:07:41 - CHANNEL UPDATE
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Happy to release this one a little earlier this week. My thanks to those in Ukraine and elsewhere who contributed to this episode by providing on-the-ground insights and expert input. I would also like to offer my commiserations to the peoples of Syria and Türkiye impacted by the recent earthquakes. Suggestions of charities with a good reputation doing work in those areas would be most welcome.
Hope I'm wrong, but that sponsor sounds like some "life coach" level of pseudoscience crap. Their top content is "7 habits of highly effective people" eeww...
If you do the Syrian Civil War video please include the use of WW2 equipment there.
"... Syria and the long war in Donbas..." . weren't drones/uas used in a similar manner in Nagorno-Karabach, and in Jemen/Saudi Arabia, and perhaps in many more places - but in the west we just didn't care about it?
The calm voice in the storm. Your work is like a meditation after this weeks mania. Thanks for staying steady on course. These videos are so good.
@@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326 Syria wasn't a technically a natural civil war, what happed is that the EU wanted to build a massive pipeline through Syrian territory to offset their reliance on Russian gas, Assad sided with his Russian ally and refused the pipeline deal despite it being very lucrative for his country, then the US and the EU decided to destroy him just as they did to Gaddafi by instigated a color revolution and backing violent Sunni opposition groups, and importing a whole variety of jihadi Islamist groups into the country to battle the country including ISIS, and Jabhat Al Nusra, and many other Al Qaeda afflicted entities, many countries joined in the arming and training of these groups in the opening years so the conflict, until finally America, Turkey ,Britain and other EU countries decided to bomb Syria directly, were it not for Russia and Iran, Syria's government and the last hope of its people would have fallen, which is exactly what America wanted, as it is had long been an impediment to US hegemony in the region as part of their so called 'axis of evil' which in reality was an *axis of resistance* against criminal America hegemony and domination in region. Despite hundreds of billions of dollars being funded from all sort of countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia, UAE, America, Turkey, Britain, etc.) Assad was able to prevail with Russian and Iranian help and still controls most of the country and leads its only legitimate government, and America is still very sore about this today, Assad may not be the most popular leader in the world, but the idea that he didn't have massive support in his own country and still has massive support) is simply western propaganda bullshit that refuses to accept reality. If Assad didn't have massive support among Syrian's his regime would have collapsed during the 11 years of war in his country given the fragile state the country was in, anyone with a brain can see that. If American and NATO/EU couldn't control Syria, they would have loved to see Syria turn into a failed state like they did to Libya, but Russia and Iran had other plans.
I still laugh today when I remember all those Sky News's and Al Jazeera reports counting down the imminent collapse of Assad's regime, and how close it was, and then Russia intervened, and all their propaganda bullshit and narrative about this organic uprising against a brutal dictator with little support amongst his own population, and how the brave White Helmet's, Free Syrian army and SDF ( actual terrorists in Syria) were going to prevail against evil!!!
IF you ever actually listen to Assad's speeches you can see he is incredibly erudite, soft spoken, and intelligent man with perfect grasp of the geopolitical situation going on around him, a lot like Putin who they love to portray as an evil dictator, again, anyone that's ever listened to Putin's speeches can see through the contemptible Western propaganda charade very quickly although sadly many in the West are simply Russo-phobes through and through and want to believe all the heinous propaganda western media is spewing out these days, they can 't get enough, its truth value doesn't concern them. Russia's intervention was crucial for keeping Assad in power, and of course this is one of many reasons Russia is being targeted for destruction now by the blood thirsty neo conservative war mongers in Washington, London, and Brussels. They can't stand a strong Russia capable of thwarting their colonialist imperialist plans!!!
Just fyi: the gentleman at 43:20 is Estonian, not Ukrainian. And the cat's name is "Rosin" - or raisin in Estonian. I was with Harri - the Estonian guy - and we rescued her together at a destroyed monastery just outside of Izyum - which is "Raisin" in Ukrainian - hence the name. But yes, Harri has delivered literally tonnes and tonnes of aid to Ukrainians via his NGO - Ukraine Aid Ops.
The worst part is that I knew about UAO but blanked during that segment - I'll add a correction
@@PerunAU No worries! It was an interesting trip. She was heavily limping and the monastery was also full of stray dogs - which we were feeding - so we decided to bring her back to Kyiv with us.
@@James-js2tr thank you for being kind to the animals. That's what I love seeing, especially all the Ukrainians Battle Cats and war kitty's.
Whoa whoa whoa, is this Jimmy Rushton / JimmySecUK?
🥹 Awwwwww.
You stay safe you hear me!
"BABE WAKE UP. PERUN JUST DROPPED ANOTHER POWER POINT." And here I am so early.
Okay but I actually just messaged that to someone almost word for word.
Yep
I'm here hon, what'd I miss?
@@darrylviljoen6227 a massive channel update! I was shocked 😜
wish i had a babe :c
"It takes an awful lot of hard work to make something look easy."
Like preparing and delivering weekly PowerPoint presentations on complex topics that simultaneously inform and entertain in a way that seems effortless?
Your hard work is acknowledged and greatly appreciated.
Right. @Perun is a hardworking fella
That is a beautiful compliment that I echo. Probably only God and Perun's wife knows how much effort goes in. But then Perun is THE slavic god so he has powers. There might just be a thunderclap and the PP is done. :)
@@rictechow231 I remember him mentioning he was an Aussie
@@georgewright4285 It's possible that Perun the god and Perun the CZcamsr are not the same person. ;)
@@suntiger745 oh yeah, I forgot that my stupidity knows no bound
I used to design these things. On survivorship bias of "why don't they shoot them down": It's really, really difficult (EDIT: with small arms, EWAR+SPAAGs etc are a totally different story obviously). Not to go into the specifics of testing I've participated in and witnessed but, for example, a Mavic is about 20cm long, at 200m up, that's a roughly ~3.5MOA "vital zone" target (yes I know it's larger unfolded, but a hit to a rotor is not fatal, just ask every tree I've crashed into with mine!). That's about on par with the mechanical accuracy of service rifles from ideal shooting positions.
Now consider that the drone is not perfectly stationary when hovering, the shooter is in an extremely unfamiliar, unergonomic, and unsupported shooting position, has only the 3.5MOA dot in the sky as the target reference (no big piece of paper with concentric rings), most issued rifles in the conflict have iron sights or an unmagnified red dot, the rifles zero and bullet drop will be completely wrong for firing straight upwards, the shooter only has a few moments to locate, identify, and engage the target before it releases the payload, and the shooter has no reference for where their shots are falling relative the target to correct. It's really difficult.
Even with something like the SMASH sighting system (which has it's own flaws), small arms rifle fire against smaller drones is going to be incredibly ineffectual to the point where if in the situation I'd almost certainly just try to take cover/run than waste time shooting at it. *Maybe* equipped with a shotgun and a (probably theoretical) loading of something like #2 buckshot with a tight choke and flitecontrol wad *might* work, but a service rifle simply won't. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it would be incredibly hard to achieve. Larger drone or lower altitude and the equation changes, but I think this definitely explains it. It's far easier to say "just shoot it down" than to actually go out and do it!
Absolutely agree on the difficulty of shooting down a drone with a service rifle.
One other thing to consider - what goes up, will come down - and in the case of bullets, they will likely still have enough energy to kill, or at least severely injure, the recipient...
That said, I wouldn't bet against the various military's of the world developing "anti-drone" munitions, probably to be fired from an underbarrel grenade launcher or similar. Something akin to a 40mm shotgun shell.
Yea, maybe some kind of proximity fused 40mm would be a good addition.
I was thinking it would be next to impossible to shoot down these tiny drones with a rifle, but wondered about how effective a Shotgun would be? Was kind of disappointed Perun didn't discuss it. Maybe these drones just stay out of range of shotguns.
@@laststand6420 The problem is with a shotgun approach is it's dispersal pattern. For animal hunting you got a pretty fixed ranged were you can design the spread for. But if a drone can be at , 50m or 100 or 200 meters. If you built it for 100m at 50m the spread is not really big, and at 100m it's to dispersed it the shot simply fly past. Burst of automatic fire is probably more effective.
Blinkist is probably the most hilariously ironic sponsor possible for this channel.
- Whom should we have to advertise our product that is all about condensing content and blitzing through info?
- I know, the guy who makes hour long slideshow presentations!
I hope Perun gets paid CPM in addition to per promo code.
You could argue Perun condenses the contents of weeks or months of research into a single hour long presentation ;-)
Wow could you imagine people being in such time poverty they feel like they can't read a book
@@spinecho609 Do you exist in the modern world?
I'd say it's more about the large number of viewers with a diverse range of interests and backgrounds. They are playing the odds.
@16.37
These are our drones! The FPV drones are our AQV 100 series, also known as Scalpels. We were founded in 2022 by veterans and a Forbes listed entrepreneur. We are also making some exciting longer range platforms with the support of NATO.
One Way Aerospace is also rebooting the arsenal of democracy by providing long-range (+300km range), precision strike drones mass-produced in Ukraine.
I would call this totally wanted and appropriate advertising.
"One Way Aerospace" is a hilarious and terrifying name. 😂☠ Your motto should be: "What goes up, doesn't come back"
@@TurboHappyCar Maybe the company could make this plug at Denis Davydov's channel? He and his viewers could get a laugh out of it.
That's a brilliant logo. (O,W,A superimposed)
Are you looking for interns in the summer of 2023? Freshman aerospace engineer here
My grandpa in WW2 would have loved drones as he was an Artillery Observer and frequently had to put himself in harm's way to do his job. He also explained that an observer sees things on the battlefield that they'd rather forget about. Having caught a few of these drone vids, I fully understand what he meant. We're fragile bags of water and minerals.
agreed, I felt I had to include the warning on footage for that reason....drone footage has a way of showing just how fragile life can be in a very confronting way.
it will never be the same as seeing those things in person, but these things impact different people in different ways and it pays to be careful
@@PerunAU When I take a look at other channels I get the impression that half of the YT audience will get an instant errection when they watch those videos of russian soldiers killed.
How every death is celebrated (Saint Himars delievers presents) is kind of sad and sickening.
Don't get me wrong - I hope Ukraine wins the war.
But there is a huge difference between hoping that Ukraine wins the war and taking a thrill out of dead Russians.
Obviously you need to kill in a war. But there is a huge difference between having to kill (and taking pride in a job well done) and in celebrating killing.
The first is enjoying the victory.
The second is enjoying the defeat and death of the enemy.
In a football game you can either cheer for the winner. Or you can celebrate the loosing of the other team.
The first is a positive thing, the second is negative.
When it comes to war the celebrating of dead enemies is a good way to make sure that there will be another war in the future.
@@wedgeantilles8575 russians are not just enemies, they are occupants. I do not enjoy deaths but I think every dead or wounded russian invader is a step to victory. Nobody calls russians here, that is their own decision to come with weapons to kill ukrainians, they are not inoccent souls. So I could not judge people somewhat enjoying big russian losses for example. Maybe it is ok to hate russians after seeing a russian missile hit your neigbours house. At least that particular russians with weapons
@@PerunAU to be fair, that still is the most inhuman / worse one ive seen.
@@wedgeantilles8575 it's partially also just a coping mechanism.
"The national equivalent of a millennial's budget"
I felt that.
YES!!!! This is why we still have pot holes. Cancel those huge expensive military projects. You can have a superior military without wasting all the money the Military Industrial Complex of the United States does. (30:25)
@@williamyoung9401 I dont think military spending is where we should cut.
I think its time the rich pay their fair share. Lets go after the tax heavens and places rich people hide their money, like the Swizz banks..
Think there is about 40-50 trillion dollars just in UKs tax heavens waiting to be taxed. Lets get a universal minimum tax going.
@@williamyoung9401 If America would tax their rich that just sit on wealth like a dragon you wouldn't have to get rid of anything in the defense budget.
@@williamyoung9401 It isn't wasting money. You think upkeep and maintenance is cheap?
Is this a personal attack or something?
Being chased through a field by a flying granade is a stuff of nightmares.
Some of the bigger quads carry multiple grenades. Ouch.
Even worse, you are chilling in your trench when suddenly grenade. Nowhere to go really, especially if there's a swarm of them and instead of suddenly grenade it's suddenly grenades.
It gets even more terrifying when you realize they are also dropping chemical weapons.
@@ibrahimmekonnen8259 proof?
@@EmyrDerfel czcams.com/video/Wn9V41asoxs/video.html&ab_channel=Redacted
Here's the video where I saw it first. The evidence speaks for itself. Even if you don't believe in what they discuss.
I remember in black ops 2 when 4 rotor drones were absurdly futuristic. I never could've imagined how much better and cheaper they'd get in just a decade.
Anyone who tells you "scientific progress has slowed or stalled" hasn't been looking in the right places, and I'm betting "materials science" is the biggest bottleneck to an explosion of new developments.
@@NoManOdysseus oh yeah I always bring up material sciences. Especially since being a kid when plastics were cheap af and not nearly as moldable. Even in the last 5 years it's gotten sooo much better
I always remember how terrifing that swarm kilstreak was and hearing perun talk about the possibilities of actual drone swarms being developed really caught me off guard. I guess they wont behave like in the game but the concept is still really horrifiying.
Smallest toy drones are down to like 25 USD
Remember Hunter Killer drones? A.K.A. Switchblade drones today! Or 'The Swarm' kill streak reward? o_O
Big props for the warning about drone footage being a bit visceral. When a creator is covering material that can be found pretty easily on Google and is as confronting as it is, it's a responsible thing to inform their audience of. Good man.
Gotta love how someone showing slightly too much skin is marked as "unsafe", but a man drowning to death in a puddle isn't.
...and FYI as he's delivering that warning, on the screen is a still image from a grenade drone attack video that came out just this week. They hit a couple of scrambling Russians while they were wading a cold river. Neither died immediately, but between the cold and their heavy gear and their shrapnel injuries from the grenade, you watch as they both thrash around but ultimately drown in less than a foot of water.
And I think that's only the third or fourth worst thing I've seen in this war.
@@R3GARnator Is the man drowning to death in a puddle showing too much skin? Maybe he's wearing too much to stay above water effectively?
I've seen a lot of shock gore content. My brain can switch that off to a similar category as movie gore. But those 2 guys drowning hits very different. I don't have nightmares about it, but I prob won't ever forget it. Rough stuff.
Yeah, it's not easy to watch. I recently came across a video of a Ukrainian drone dropping a grenade on some Russian soldiers in a trench... I didn't look for any more footage after that. Good on Perun to warn people beforehand, just in case.
Perun, once again, you astound me. Here we are almost a year later, and your hour long PowerPoint presentations are one of the highlights of my week. Your comments last year of "who ever would watch this?" Has been proven. Fantastic work.
I love Australian intellectuals. His tone of voice talking about the L-70 anti-aircraft gun is hilarious. "The thing began its design phase in 1946!" lol. (50:00)
@@williamyoung9401 I'm from Scotland and (to me) all Australians sound exactly the same as Ozzie Man, so I like this channel because it makes the whole depressing debacle in the Ukraine seem somewhat more upbeat and comical 😁
'Igor! Destination fucked!'
I had a discussion with a co-worker when Germany and The Netherlands were sending Gepards to Ukraine about how useful they would be. He was focused on the fact they couldn't take down Russian Jets while I tried to argue that they might be good against drones. But, I wasn't sure if the radar was sensitive enough to pick them up.
Then came the videos of Gepards swatting Shahed Drones out of the sky and it's great to see that an Old system can be so effective against a modern threat.
With AHEAD prefragmented rounds, the Gepards should be very effective against not only drones, but also Russian cruise missiles and tactical aircraft.
@@tekteam26even the modernized version of Gepard doesn't use AHEAD, unlike Rheinmetall / Oerlikons more modern offerings like MANTIS.
Older rounds still work against cruise missiles, helis, all kinds of drones ... And it eats SU24 ground attack jets for breakfast.
Agreed. This is why all the arm chair generals need to STFU. Give the Ukrainians everything and let them figure out what they want to use and how. They are very intelligent and extremely adaptable. They will figure it out.
As an engineer, I work in a world where the natural tendency is to complicate everything. The refrigerator needs bluetoith. The toaster needs to connect to wifi so it can start your toast while you are in the shower, etc. Love to see old simpler systems being brought out to swat drones. My first thought was thermal optics and bird shot for drones, but an old WWII AA design for larger cruise misdiles and drones... brilliant!
i have the urge to remind you guys that the Gepard is not as "antique" as it is often presented. The Version that is in Ukraine the Gepard 1A2 is from 1994-2000 which was a substantial upgrade package for the original ones from the 70s.
The Gepard was retired from the Bundeswehr in 2010, when it was decided to get rid of the "Air defense tank" idea, mostly for budget reasons, not necessarily, because the Gepard was unfit, there is no successor to it.
In 2020! Qatar bought 15 pieces and it is also still in active service in Brasil and Romania and Jordan.
Moment of silence for Pvt. Konskriptovic for not being rewarded for his kill streak :(
This channel should be renamed "The Misadventures of Private Konskriptovic"
Personally Im more of a fan of Sergeant Bicepski, he's a true hero to the theoretical party he's in in whatever the current example situation is 🙏🙏
I unironically think Perun needs to launch merch about private Konskriptovich, General Oligarkov and so on
It needs its own show, probably some satire in the good spirit of Soldier Schweik
Don't forget the Ukrainian counterparts, "Pavel and his mates"
Personally, I think Colonel Kleptovsky is an underrated character.
Also, we haven't seen Captain Bullshitski return, he was another breakout character
Ukrainian drone unit leader Magyar (pointy stick guy) recently reviewed all the drones he got and said the Mavic Classic drones are useless because of low zoom (3x), he only recommends the Enterprise ones because they have a large zoom (x56) and thermal vision, he also recommends using a tablet for a bigger screen as it is easier to see stuff.
He claims volunteers getting drones with Thermal across the border is hard because they are considered "dual use" and generally only companies with a special license can do it, unfortunately the local companies in Ukraine have increased the drone prices by 50% or more.
I have NO idea why people don't put 50x zoom cameras into drones. Like, years ago I got my mom a handheld camcorder with 90x zoom for like 300 bucks. Use civilian grade optics if needed, ruskies did it with Canons, but use ones with better zoom.
@@KasumiRINA USE 10-20x ZOOM and see what it does to stabilisation xD and image stability, not to mention - FIELD OF VIEW. Most commercial drones are made for surveilance and broad panoramic photography.
@@piotrd.4850 I didn't think of that before, thank you for explaining
Choice: Mavic drone or no drone. Yah, I think I know what I would choose.
This is by far my favorite one your videos. I Retired recently from the US Army and got to witness (and operate) the first regularly issued drones for company level operations called the Raven and Puma. It still shocks me that essentially a toy airplane is out there destroying armored vehicles and spotting for Artillery missions.
Ah, the drone. One of the cheapest ways of getting recon to allies, ordnance to enemies, and horrifying footage to everyone else.
There were some attacks here in US on electric infrastructure with rifles, did significant damage. Scary if you think about what can be done with drones.
This is why we need another Constitutional amendment so we can buy Switchblade drones on Amazon. J/K! =P (16:10)
Watching the evolution of drone warfare unfold before our eyes like this is both fascinating and terrifying.
I'd argue it's not getting more terrifying as much as it is simply democratizing the fear.
Very few of us will ever know what a bomb exploding or a tank shell being fired sounds like.
But everyone can understand the implications of rendering a battlefield into essentially a game of hide and seek where being found means you are dead.
You could argue a battlefield was already that, but the difference is that the 'seeker' is now flying, doesn't need to sleep, can see in the dark, and may have brought friends.
Perun on Russian Nuclear Threats - chill everyone!
Perun on drones - shit just got real!
getting closer everyday to the massarce systems from slaughterbots short film.
@@ashkuigp well said! Can you imagine the terrorist implications? Drones unleashed on some small to mid-sized town during a 4th of July parade? Or perhaps a drone attack against people watching nighttime fireworks shows. The confusion and terror unleashed would be intense, and the possibility of deaths from the stampede of people running in terror could be devastating.
The DIY aspect is frightening. They're taking consumer hobbyist electronics and combining them with cheap grenades and shells. These require hand flying for now but autonomous targeting could be just around the corner.
Hi Perun, as an electronics engineer with some networking knowledge I was sitting listing in my mind a bunch of counter-measures that could be used to make drones more robust. Then you named every one of them at the end. Great video. Keep it up.
AI. Militaries have been cutting off each others comms for millenia. Cutting off earth radio comms is easy. Cutting off sattelite comms slightly harder. You cant cut off an ai's decision making. The battlefield of the future is a nightmare predictes since the 60s
My oldest son is a software engineer, and in college he worked on research into "mesh networks," which is the mechanism by which drone swarms do their information exchange. I found this element of the video particularly interesting because of this.
Sci-fi becomes reality...
I was in college in the early 1990s. I remember giving at least two presentations about distributed networks and underground markets as part of business technology class. I mention about using remote delivery systems to smuggle or commit violent acts and using the "new technology of the internet" to setup networks that were hard to stop. I was told the presentation was hard to understand and the rest was pure fiction. Oh my, how time has change everything.
I saw a demo of what you're talking about. Its fascinating but eerie and spine-chilling when you think of the potential applications good and bad.
Nothing like relaxing on a Sunday night listing to a fellow Aussie give a very well researched and presented info grab. As usual, well done mate.
Here in the states, we get to start our Sunday morning with a cup of coffee and a Perun powerpoint.
As a Yank it’s morning and I work today 😔 but this is a good video to listen to in the car
@@jdawg8487 im right there with you today. Setting up a machine while listening to Perun terrify me with publicly available info
where has nuke video gone??? anyone know?
@@learn2237 czcams.com/video/sxOO0hCCSk4/video.html
Here you go
Normally, it is only years after a conflict that books are published that halfway explain what happened. Perun's videos, on the other hand, document the Russian-Ukrainian war in real time, and if I were asked after a year of war which news source I mainly use, it would be this channel. It's not the billion-dollar TV channels or official government pronouncements that keep me up to date, but a CZcamsr who might be sitting somewhere in the Australian outback.
Awesome, and thanks for that!
That is the trend, as with drones. Everything is trending toward smaller, faster, lighter--- business, satellites, news, etc... Big, clunky brick and mortar is getting buried.
If NATO can operate attack drones and Russia can’t figure out who is operating them, then you get my point.
Israel is supposedly using lasers as a cheap defense against drone attacks. How quickly will we see laser technology not only defending military targets against drones but also on the battlefield?
@@Beatles4Sale. There are no secrets anymore. Its like they don't even try.
As always with comments on Perun's channel when you think of a post you find someone who's done it before!
This is a real world take on the fictional “zombie dilemma”. Against a seemingly bottomless horde of zombies, you need to figure out how many bullets it takes to bring 1 down, how cheap can you make the bullets without going under limited effectiveness, how resource effective can you make the bullets, and how straining it is to get the bullets to the front line shooter.
Why fictional? So far nobody proven than hordes of putin's mobiks are different from zombies anyhow.
A Ukranian soldier almost literally used this scenario to describe the fighting around Bakhmut. Russians being the zombies.
They prefer to be called orcs.
Hence use crossbows when you aren't too outnumbered, and axes/swords/spears when the numbers are close to even. This comes up quite a bit in the "surviving the evacuation" scifi series.
World War Z
The only Drone footage of a failure I know of that has been a big hit was one that was brought down by a Javelin, it was buzzing some Viking re-enactors and one decided "I've had enough" and threw one of his Javelins at it and scored a hit! The society has even erected a Rune Stone to celebrate the event!
PFFFT.
That was in russia, too, showing that a bunch of viking LARPers had better air defenses than red square in moscow in 1987... Can we put a nuke on a Cessna?
Man, I thought you meant "javelin" as in like... the missile. The truth was so much funnier.
I can only second that warning about watching that drone footage personally, viewer discretion is definitely advised. It's not something you can just watch on the by without much thought put to it. You will see people die, like actually witness how someone else's life gets snuffed out, and I'd be a lot more concerned if it didn't affect you hugely. You can still watch it but make sure you're certain you can spend the rest of your day actively processing what you just saw.
I still recommend watching it just to put this war back into perspective. It's too easy to dehumanize the enemy, and forget about the massive cost of life that's happening right now, especially in such a social media televised war. Having that footage chill you to your very core will force you to become a bit more realistic about the costs of this war.
Aye. I recognized the still frame that Perun used in his warning about finding what you were seeking when you go looking for information from a warzone.
They might've been Russian soldiers...
They might've been invaders sent there to kill locals...
They might've been there to take the place from those that already lived there...
...but at the moment of the video they were just people trying not to die, and I couldn't help but rooting for them to make it out alive.
They didn't. :(
The videos of soldiers dying because of chemicals dropped on them are especially heartbreaking to watch.
People die in wars - often horribly. If we support wars (even if 'just' a necessary defensive one), then we have to accept that - and our responsibility for it. I was a pacifist all my life, but I was lucky, having been born and lived all my life in a peaceful world (or at least my bit of it), but now I am faced with the very problems I never thought I'd have to deal with, the same problems my grandparents faced.
An evil man is doing his best to destroy everything I believe in and wish to preserve, we have ignored him and the signs of what he was intending, for too long, and now we are paying the price - and people are dying and suffering. But to continue to ignore him will just result in even more death and suffering. He has to be stopped.
And we have to face the fact that a lot of people will die and suffer in that process - and accept our responsibilty for it. Easy for me to say, perhaps, but I have relatives by marriage in Ukraine and friends also - and I have children and grandchildren of an age that means they might have to face being called up as/if this war escalates.
But what else can we do - we can't just give in to Putin? And, still it seems, despite all our advances and 'civilisation' the only way to stop him is war, death and destruction. But what we absolutely MUST do, is learn the lessons from this - stop this sort of thing from happening again, by not ignoring the signs and acting quickly and early - AND by developing ways of running our world that do not need war and suffering to achive our aims.
Oh trust me, I'm aware that this war needs to be fought. Giving up is not an option. It's just that it's all too easy to abstract this war into nothingness, just a collection of numbers and big picture movements. Especially if you don't know anyone from Ukraine and are only following the war via Perun's videos and social media memes. Watching that footage brings it all into perspective. War, even a just war, still brings a very real human cost. That cost should never be forgotten about.
Yeah that footage shouldn't be viewed in large amounts. Especially if you are an empathetic person. Really hard to watch unless you are desensitized to that kind of content.
Best warning is: "What has been seen cannot be unseen!"
Learned it the hard way years ago trying to find out what was going on in Syria 😱
What , I thought you tube edited videos
Syria wasn't a technically a natural civil war, what happed is that the EU wanted to build a massive pipeline through Syrian territory to offset their reliance on Russian gas, Assad sided with his Russian ally and refused the pipeline deal despite it being very lucrative for his country, then the US and the EU decided to destroy him just as they did to Gaddafi by instigated a color revolution and backing violent Sunni opposition groups, and importing a whole variety of jihadi Islamist groups into the country to battle the country including ISIS, and Jabhat Al Nusra, and many other Al Qaeda afflicted entities, many countries joined in the arming and training of these groups in the opening years so the conflict, until finally America, Turkey ,Britain and other EU countries decided to bomb Syria directly, were it not for Russia and Iran, Syria's government and the last hope of its people would have fallen, which is exactly what America wanted, as it is had long been an impediment to US hegemony in the region as part of their so called 'axis of evil' which in reality was an axis of resistance against criminal America hegemony and domination in region. Despite hundreds of billions of dollars being funded from all sort of countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia, UAE, America, Turkey, Britain, etc.) Assad was able to prevail with Russian and Iranian help and still controls most of the country and leads its only legitimate government, and America is still very sore about this today, Assad may not be the most popular leader in the world, but the idea that he didn't have massive support in his own country and still has massive support) is simply western propaganda bullshit that refuses to accept reality. If Assad didn't have massive support among Syrian's his regime would have collapsed during the 11 years of war in his country given the fragile state the country was in, anyone with a brain can see that. If American and NATO/EU couldn't control Syria, they would have loved to see Syria turn into a failed state like they did to Libya, but Russia and Iran had other plans.
I still laugh today when I remember all those Sky News's and Al Jazeera reports counting down the imminent collapse of Assad's regime, and how close it was, and then Russia intervened, and all their propaganda bullshit and narrative about this organic uprising against a brutal dictator with little support amongst his own population, and how the brave White Helmet's, Free Syrian army and SDF ( actual terrorists in Syria) were going to prevail against evil!!!
IF you ever actually listen to Assad's speeches you can see he is incredibly erudite, soft spoken, and intelligent man with perfect grasp of the geopolitical situation going on around him, a lot like Putin who they love to portray as an evil dictator, again, anyone that's ever listened to Putin's speeches can see through the contemptible Western propaganda charade very quickly although sadly many in the West are simply Russo-phobes through and through and want to believe all the heinous propaganda western media is spewing out these days, they can 't get enough, its truth value doesn't concern them. Russia's intervention was crucial for keeping Assad in power, and of course this is one of many reasons Russia is being targeted for destruction now by the blood thirsty neo conservative war mongers in Washington, London, and Brussels. They can't stand a strong Russia capable of thwarting their colonialist imperialist plans!!!
@@daze4341there are other video sites that don’t scrutinize
@@daze4341 CZcams is not the only source of video on the Internet.
Perun was both clear in his warning and too polite to hammer the message home to a lot of those who are at high risk of looking for images they will almost certainly regret to have ever laid eyes on
Very good presentation as always. I think it was very important to note the footage from drones. Personally, I try my best to avoid the footage since it’s more “personal” than a lot of other war footage available. It’s very disturbing and while I know I can handle it better than others, I know it’ll still affect me just as much.
Something I find almost as disturbing is the people who celebrate the deaths and demonize the soldiers. Something that is straight out of war propaganda from the past centuries. While the Ukrainian cause is definitely right and just, making the soldiers fighting less than human is not.
Yeah. I’ve avoided using the term “orcs” for Russian soldiers, for instance. I fully understand why Ukrainians who have lost their friends and relatives, limbs, homes, livelihoods, and freedom to Russian occupiers would call them that. They are justified.
But as for me, I don’t want to become numbed to the horror and tragedy of this war just because I’m witnessing it from a screen thousands of miles away.
We celebrate the Ukrainians because they seem to value all life, whether dogs, cats, soldiers, civilians, even Russian POWs for the most part. If we start to think of any lives as disposable, even Russian soldiers’, that would mean we’re becoming more like Putin.
War is horrible, now everyone can see that up close and personal.
@@laststand6420 we have been able to see how horrible it is for millennia. It is important to know how horrible it is, but knowing it up close and personal is not the best way for the majority of people.
@@thomasparsons9866 I don't know, maybe if they are forced to see the horror, average populations will be less supportive of war.
I personally hate war, but it is not the greatest evil. Sometimes war is needed.
Unfortunately, it tends to be one of the only things which allows us to kill people who we normally have no issue with.
For any curious about the available footage. I used to watch quite a bit of combat footage videos. I haven't watched any in months after a video of a drone delivered grenade hitting a sleeping Russian in a foxhole and him losing his face and surviving. Be very careful with what you're watching some of it is interesting, but a portion of it is absolutely haunting.
@T.J. Kong I'm not sure what most people expect, but I've definitely noticed an increase in video quality during this war. The commercial drone footage in particular is really unpleasant, it's closer in than ever.
I'm running 8 weeks of training with packages prepared by professional trainers etc, and I almost cry every day as none of it is anywhere as interesting as the most boring topic Perun thinks he's done.
Edit: the Alt-write appeared.
Great work m8.
Lol i have no idea what your job is. 8 weeks training Packages from professional trainers... so you teach people how to jerk off the best of the best?
As a former technical instructor, I have to agree. Pithy, well researched, erudite analysis, with a logical easy to follow flow. Starting at the beginning of *every* episode what he will and will not be covering, is a case in point. We're not on a ego driven magical mystery tour. It's the audio/visual equivalent to a journal article, starting with an abstract, and working through a predesignated structure of argument, along with sources. Makes watching PowerPoint a pleasure 🤣
@@Theiliteritesbian induction to processing. 23 days instruction with 17 days consolidation mixed in then they are the regular support networks problem and we pick up the next class. I don't know why you think that's about teaching people to beat off. It's taking people straight off the street into full positions.
Your skill will be useful in war……….
In addition to the invaluable content, these are among the best produced videos out there.
If you haven't heard of it before I recommend looking into the US Army MLIDS system which was designed to provide a combined EW-Kinetic counter measure to type 1 and type 2 drones. It is a fantastic example of what kinds of "big" counter measures are being designed and deployed. The USMC has also looked into a similar solution set in one vehicle instead of two.
I know Israel has been developing lasers, also against mortars. I don't quite understand what a laser can do to a mortar, as you can't fry the electronics of a kinetic weapon.
@@HesderOleh I'd imagine it might have something to do with heating up the tip of the shell in the air to trigger the Fuze before it lands?
@@_Atzin That is what I would assume, but how do you make sure you heat the fuse specifically and the heat isn't dissipated?
My other guess was ablation causing change to trajectory.
@@HesderOleh First of all several countries are designing laser weapons big and small. The way they work is by spotting a target and throwing a high power laser at it which burns through it making a hole very quickly and either detonating the charge of a shell or a mortar, or burning something important like a sensor or wing of a drone and destroying it or making it operational ineffective. I have heard that such systems make also the distinguish between drones or shells or mortars, type of drones quadcopters loitering ammunitions and even different types of these weapons and thus it knows were to hit it. Since the laser is light you just need to point the laser at the object and don't have to calculate speed direction etc which makes it easy and also doesnt have ammunition to move around so its not a logistical nightmare.
@@HesderOleh As far as i get it: Bullets, shells and mortars have a distinct , optimized shape. Change the shape of the flying projectile and it will not reach its destination.
There is a video out from Rheinmetall in which they promote a Laser System (almost 10 years old). Their practice targets where steel balls fired from mortars...
Despite my being familiar with most of what you covered here, I still feel this is one of your best pieces so far. You cut through a lot of the obscuration that ranges from propaganda to simple misunderstanding of things like survivor bias, and you did it in a way that I feel will help people avoid being misled by such things quite so much.
One thing that did shock me was the low cost of the systems. I had no idea that a cruise missile, er I mean low speed cargo drone, could be had so cheaply. Nor did I realize just how little a drone able to deliver significant gifts of democracy onto a target can cost. I had sort of assumed that the drones dropping ATGs were going cost 30-40k, not 10k and delivered by UPS. The technical abilities were no shock, but the remarkable drop in cost is shocking compared to a few years ago.
Anyway. Great work once again.
It is insane how well made these videos are. Looking forward to the updated further reading section, your recommendations are usually excellent.
Perun is the history/social studies teacher we all wanted in school.
as an eastern european i associate Perun's voice with curing a hangover
I can't actually start my week without listening to your masterful and detailed analysis and content. Thank you Perun. Respect from Sydney
Spot on about abandoned vehicles. If you can't nick and use it, an abandoned one is just one that haven't been recovered yet.
Losing anything impairs the enemy, whether tank, APC or truck, plus whatever kit is left aboard - ammo, weapons, supplies, tools etc.
Thanks for the great work Perun!
Other youtubers: 30 second intros with dubstep
Perun: starts video halfway through first word of the presentation
"Turn the clock back to the 2010s" Perun making me age instantly
Outstanding work! I don't always have time for deep dives, but this was one of many I listened to with great interest. I have several downloaded for my upcoming trip to Romania, but for this couldn't wait.
FPV drones with RPG warheads is basically just an NLOS TV-guided ATGM. Change my mind.
Ngl I think maybe use the drones to dive bomb ww2 style that would make it reuseable so even better then nlos 😳
The Iranian Shahed 136? "drones" are just primitive slow propeller driven IC powered cruise missiles. They are like a slower V-1 buzz bomb that is built so primitive and cheap they can't even add a proper pulse jet for power. It gets far more praise than it deserves. I dare say almost every last one is being shot down by Ukraine on a regular basis now.
Everything is a drone now. Who is flying all those Iranian drones? No one. They are just programmed like a missile and launched. I never realized that Tomahawk cruise missiles were actually drones too. I suppose that many missiles now are just rocket or jet powered drones. I think "Drone" is being used far too often as a catchall description for far too many things that could be better described as something else like Missile or Loitering Munition. When you describe an Iranian Shahed as a primitive cheaply made bottom of the barrel cruise missile, it doesn't sound as cool as being described as a high tech "Kamaikazi Drone" as though it were divine and somehow alive, giving its "life?" . What life?
The drones are probably more manoeuvrable, more energy efficient and slower than ATGM. Due to this you are not as restricted behind obstacles. So while wireless communication benefits from near line of sight communication trading it of for lesser range gives you better cover and accuracy.
@@owlwithahowl7798 Why has this not been done yet?
@@Destroyer_V0 Because it's trading accuracy for survivability for something that is entirely disposable.
What I do want to see for laughs is a drone with a LAW.
Old enough to remember when the YF16 and YF17 were still competing for adoption. The YF 16 won, and became the F16. The YF17 went back to the drawing board, and reappeared several years later as the F18.
Too bad that didn't re-occur with the YF-23...
Thank you again Perun! I hope you can keep them coming!!
This channel just gets better and better, said it before and still saying it
Great analysis
"While infantrymen are perfectly happy to carry a lot of weight around, nobody has found a way to carry a mobile runway." - Well don't challenge them, those Ukrainians might actually do it! You're gonna make a mess of the entire battlefield by tempting fate like that Perun.
The US military has developped ways to carry mobile runways, just by planes instead of infantrymen
WWII Marston Mat was in a way a man-portable runway. The weight was around 30 kg per square meter so you need a lot of men or preferably vehicles to transport them.
Well, how heavy is the drone? If youre launching fixed wing tactical drones that only need 150ft of runway and weight less than 3000 pounds...
At some point, wouldn't laying down some plastic planks work?
@@tomc.5704 I'm now imagining a bunch of Ukrainians slugging around packs of pink foam puzzle mats with alphabets and cutesy animal drawings on them to build a drone runway.
I love Perun's tongue in cheek humor.
Perun, the best power points on CZcams. Many thanks.
Great to have you addressing "bombing of abandoned tanks"! Was always interested in why that happened.
Also one thing to mention: I had someone who was part of a German Bundeswehr tank crew on the Leopard mentioning to me (back when I was just about to join the Bundeswehr voluntarily in 2015) that tank crews (speaking only for NATO doctrin, not Russia) actually (yes, I used that word) are supposed to live inside the tank. During battle, it often happens to crews that they must not exit their vehicle for days since the battle is fierce and extensive. The eat, sleep and do all the stinky rest inside the tank. He warned me and told me that before I joined, I shall consider what it means to sit basically shoulder to shoulder with two other grown men not showered in 5 days, pooping inside a bag and sleeping inside a vehicle that (without well working AC) may reach temperatures of 40 degrees Celsius during summer since the tank heats up and the hatches must not be opened in case of a strike. As I said, I do not know anything about Russian tank doctrin in regards of living inside a tank but the explanation seems logical and legitimate to me... And I sure do not want to be a tank for many many reasons...
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Please note that Western tanks are luxurious, spacious palaces compared to Russian tanks. Sort of like the difference between an Ohio-class US boomer and a WW2 German Type VII submarine. Yes, the Ohio is cramped and claustrophobic, but the Type VII is a whole new level of pain.
Always love it when Private Conscriptovic is mentioned in the videos 🤣
Don't forget Pavel and his mates.
Was looking forward to this.
For anyone interested in a closer look at the Switchblade in particular I can recommend the video "Air Support in a Backpack: The Switchblade" by Asianometry
Specialized suppliers are a different beast but it's surprising what can be done with consumer level hardware. Considering China absolutely dominates the consumer drone market, what they come up with will be interesting to see.
Link czcams.com/video/6G9xLyNfPzQ/video.html
TY for the analysis of all the topics you have covered so far. Looking forward to your next presentations.
I look forward to this video every week. Who would have thought that an hour long power point presentation would be so engaging. Your insights and humour (onya) make this channel my must watch.
Perun, when possible could you please cover the japanese military buildup. More specifically what capabilities would be needed for the japanese military to be able to at least contest the shores of the home Islands and prevent a larger naval force from being able to cut the home Islands off from reinforcement/resupply.
Perun seems to very deliberately avoid any commentary on anything happening in Asia. People have speculated that his day job involves analyzing the region, so he can't comment on it on CZcams.
@@Icipher353 he's talked about Asian suppliers and such. He just focuses more on Europe
@@Icipher353 That's highly speculative
@@Icipher353 Perun has talked about Chinese military build up so he may do Japan later.
He mostly focuses on Ukraine doe
One thing to add, racing fpv drones are extremely light, it's why they can zip around doing insane acrobatics. Once you strap a warhead onto one, it becomes much more sluggish and harder to fly
but their main use would be antidrone so little warhead is needed
Excellent video, thank you very much for providing us information on the many to the drone type technology and usage.
We (Perun subscribers) are really an awfully peculiar bunch of people who enjoy hour-long presentations on defense procurement on ppt lol
LOVE IT!
PERUN helps the last bit of my overnight shift go by that much faster. Best part of my working weekends!! Always something new and interesting. Great job!
Ah yeah, love waking up to a professional analysis of drone warfare
Great topic, thanks for explaining the intricacies and different capabilities.
Excellent article as usual. Perun has been the best at accumulating, collating, and presenting up-to-date information of this war as it continues. Thank you, sir for your effort. I hope the CZcams revenues are adequate for your workload.
Thank you so much for this video, I was seriously losing my mind over "military experts™" on the internet claiming how crummy little DJI drones are Wunderwaffe that can replace tanks, helicopters and fighter jets.
Wunderwaffen, but yes.
You may be watching the wrong channels (if you are really losing your mind. if it is just hate-watching - thats something different...
@JonMacFhearghuis i-Tipfl-Reiter ;-)
Dude, I've spent the entire day yesterday listening to the videos I haven't yet gone through while cleaning my apartment thoroughly, and from what I've gathered I've seen all of them. Was about to continue and literally 5 minutes ago didn't know what to listen to, went to check and realized you dropped a new one, thank you so so much! Greetings from croatia, btw your pronunciation of baka should be a bit longer on the first a :D
Sounds like you need to put away the meth but we’re happy you got your apartment clean!
@@ryanjones3043 Thank you good sir! However, I'm more of a math type of person.
@@EAxMaverick eh meth, math- tomato, tomato. 😂😜
If you're merely listening to it, then you may be missing some info displayed in the slides.
Thanks for all you do. My weekends haven't been the same since discovering your channel
Terrific stuff mate. Keep it up. You are valued
It's part of my Sunday morning tradition to listen to the latest Perun video ☺️. I love your content!
The comparison I keep coming back to for the future of drones in warfare is to consider flight in WW1. Both lighter than air and heavier than air vehicles were used to good effect when they were both new technology. Eventually though, people figured out techniques and technology that made lighter than air military vehicles too vulnerable to be used.
What we are seeing now with drones is a new technology where both the use and counters are in the stage of uncharted development. There are a lot of constraints besides what is possible when a new technology is introduced into an active warzone, so neither Russia or Ukraine can be used as an example of where drones could lead because they are using what they actually have available instead of what they each want to have available. So we don't know what drone warfare looks like among combatants that have fully developed the concept.
To complicate things, the intelligent thing for any nation that does come up with a effective counter to drones is to keep it secret. If you see people investing heavily into a technology that you have a counter for the absolute last thing you're going to do if you think you might get in conflict with them is tell them they are wasting resources. So, until a nation with a top tier RnD establishment ends up in a situation that forces them to pull out all their tricks we honestly have no clue what could be done with drones.
Basically, we don't know if drones will be able to sustain development like the airplanes of WW1 or if like the airships of WW1 they will become a historical anomaly that goes away once people fully understand their strengths and weaknesses.
Probably the later not the former. Autonomous systems have the potential for such an overmatch of manned, conventional forces that the comparison is more like that of horse cavalry vs. tanks. We have seen the start of it in Ukraine, but it really hasn't even blossomed yet.
@@obsidianjane4413 The issue is there are a LOT of untested uses and counters. A simple example of the kind of thing that Isn't publicly known to have been really tested is large scale EMP usage as a counter.
A reasonably smart high school student can make an EMP device that will disable and probably permanently damage nearby unshielded drones. Some of the publicly acknowledged experiments with EMPs show you could destroy every unprotected drone for miles with a weapon made in the 80's. Using just those known facts you could completely negate every advantage of drones in the current war talk about in the video.
The issue is that what is publicly known is almost certainly out of date. The older shielding technology wouldn't work for the current use case of Drones but that doesn't mean no one has come up with a better method. What a Modern high yield tactical EMP would look and do is a major question.
I'm discussing EMP weapons for simplicity but there are a lot of similar unknowns, things we generally don't know enough about to be able to make an estimate of how big a deal they are long term.
@@obsidianjane4413 High accuracy, proximity fuse autocannon shells shred drones. To armour them makes them larger, or reduces flight time and capabilities elsewhere.
The tiny drones the size of your thumb is an example of something that could be a gamechanger, true. But I doubt they have anywhere remotely near enough endurance to be used more widely, and likely have limited range anyway. Larger drones intended to replace fixed wing aircraft, would not be viable to use in situations where there might be civilian airliners and enemy awacs and tanker aircraft mixed in amongst one another.
In some roles, perhaps unmanned aerial vehicles could be used. but with the higher amounts of E-war potentially negating them, or worse, manned systems ain't disappearing anytime soon.
I'm not saying they are the same, but aren't the whole concept of drone swarms the way planes in ww1, ww2, and Korea fought a lot of the times? If the drones this video talks about are going to be low altitude, slow, and low endurance aircraft in these situations, then one of the logical counter seems to be good old gun batteries, flak cannons, and things like the gapard.
I haven't seen this done elsewhere, much less comprehensively done. Great work.
Speaking of something I haven't seen for awhile, does anyone know what happened to this guy? I haven't seen him for awhile. Siberia, perhaps? lol. (19:10)
I reluctantly confess a frightening thought:
The idea that the following axiom of war might be replaced: The most deadly weapon of war is a Marine and his rifle.
Could it be replaced with this:
The most deadly weapon of war is a Cossack and his drone.
Shivvers down my spine.
Still don't know how he can turn the usually boring PowerPoint presentation into something so interesting and amazing
easy answer: not being obviously biased by one side or one agenda. And putting some effort in it other then copy/paste from reuters or as other youtubers, from reddit comments. At least thats it for me.
He don't even need the slides thats the trick.
@@MarkkuS slides are a gimmick, as they should be in any (good) presentation other then about your resent holiday where u show off pictures... i treat it as an audio book.
The voice and the fact he is willyOEM ?
It helps a lot to be a topic that you actually want to hear about.
Always the highlight of my sundays!
Stay awesome Perun.
Thank you again, for a wonderful presentation Perun. Very informative.
One of the best episodes. Really enjoyed that. Thank you.
Main deficiency in this video is not referencing the nagorno karabakh war as the seminal example of a war won almost entirely by the side with drones against the side that hasn't. Based on various public accounts, it's almost a textbook on how drone strategy and tactics can completely manipulate the other side into losing. Once drone strategy and tactics are understood, events like the Ukraine war can be better understood as a series of similar operations and an evolution more than as a revolution in warfare.
Those were TB2? He specifically said man portable ones in this video. At least at 10 minutes were I'm at now.
Damn it's a good day when Perun drops a PowerPoint! Love the detail and clarity of your videos. Thanks for all you do to keep us informed.
I said it before and it’s the reason I subscribed. I look forward to these power points killing an hour of my work shift every Sunday. Love your effort.
love your content & presentation- many thanks
When you drop a video, I have to admit I get a little excited. It's a little like Christmas for adults. I appreciate the fact that you dig into the numbers and provide expert analysis of facts that will influence Russia's invasion of Iraq.
Another sunday, another great documentation from perun. Thx and keep going!
Downloaded Perun's vid before going to sleep too watch before starting my day. The day definitely starts well
Thank you for your work and for your generosity in sharing it.
Can't get enough of this guy class in session kids
This feels like the world war one of drone swarms. Gonna have frightening tech by war's end.
Perun, thank you- I really value your opinions. I have never had a reason to be interested in the subject you make SO INTERESTING, again, thank you (subscribed with bell)
Fantastic work --thanks for posting this!
Never pressed play so fast great video mate
All these years watching "how the war saussage is made" has convinced me that there is no way I ever send my children into war. No way.
I really hope I can keep my word on this one.
Hopefully they will not be forced into it by another nation invading your country and staying to destroy it and kill your people.
What if the war comes to them?
@@donaldgraham6414 then you just run away from the war
@Patrick Star ah, so the important thing is not to run faster than the enemy but to outrun your slower and older friends and neighbors who you leave to die.
Well, I have to agree with an attitude like that you don't deserve to own anything you can't carry on you, much less a home.
@@macmcleod1188 well the enemy usually isn't that fast and even if they are chances that in the chaos you can get over some border undiscovered. So all of my friends and neighbours who wanna run as well should be able to do so if they fuck off early enough.
A boring comment that probably won't be read about a very specific thing towards the end:
Inertial navigation is expensive. While all these platforms are capable of it, typically their inertial sensors drift rapidly making it unfeasible within minutes. To a large extent, it's the availability of cheap GPS receivers that's made low cost drones so ubiquitous. It's not all that easy to defeat GPS jamming and low-cost, GNSS-denied navigation remains an area of active research. I'd say it's likely that degrading navigation will remain a primary way to defeat these things for the foreseeable future.
Dude i must say, i am amazed about the excellent and always super interesting "presentations", and that continously basically since this mess has begun.
Somehow i was lucky to stumble over your first video in this format pretty quickly and have not missed one since then. Beats them all with ease, and Powerpoint!
1) I’ve heard that Ukrainians have developed a custom firmware for Mavics specifically to bypass the restrictions placed by DJI.
2) There was a report coming from Ukroboronprom that it is working on drone capabilities designed for striking places behind enemy lines: claim was that they can carry the 70kg payload and can go for up to 1000km in distance. Being able to strike Moscow was definitely one of the requirements specified.
That firmware is going to be leaked online somewhere and then we'll have a new generation of criminals to worry about.
As good a time as any for cyberpunk I guess...
Cyberpunk is already here. Cyberpunk is now.
Consider:
We actually have underground hacktivist groups trying to expose government and corporate malfeisance.
The FBI hired hackers to unlock the phone of a suspected terrorist.
ENRON managed to get an actor elected governor of California and manufactured an energy crisis just to try and take the attention off their impending bankruptcy for gross financial stupidity.
Private mercenary armies exist and even manage parts of the prison system.
Unlimited government surveillance is a thing accomplished in concert with the biggest global corporations.
The police roll around in actual APCs.
Private data is mined continuously at unprecedented levels, just to try and figure out how to make you buy more stuff.
National armies have hacking forces.
A nuclear fuel facility in Iran and a gas pipeline in Siberia have been physically destroyed by hackers.
North Korean hackers attacked a movie studio to interfere with the launch of a movie that mocked their dictator.
There is a literal dark web and you can be a hacker mercenary.
There are completely CGI singers.
An engineer employed by one of the world's leading computer firms went public with his belief that an AI is sentient.
There are data warfare corporations, such as Cambridge Analytica, which have influenced multiple elections and referendums worldwide.
I have made up exactly nothing of the above.
Cyberpunk is here.
Cyberpunk is now.
@@yuapanda they might as well just develop it themselves cos it’s 100% a volunteer-led effort. nothing top secret
@@yuapanda Well, the firmware to do that is already out there and open source (ardupilot).
The hardest part as a private person is getting the explosives.
And the people that are smart enough to do stuff like this probably arent criminals.
I also really hope they can get those drones developed quickly and build on a large scale.
Russia is really going to struggle if every bigger military base in west russia gets 10 of them every day (its probably going to be less than that, though, that would be a shit ton of them)
@@_remblanc Is ANYTHING Top-Secret anymore? Weapons transfers, balloons over nations, etc...
I swear I have a Pavlovian response to Perun videos: I clicked before I processed what I saw! 😂
You a dog?
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Week in and week out, these videos are just fantastic. I'm very grateful to you for providing your expertise and time to produce these videos for all of us. Cheers friend-o.
Thoroughly comprehensive and lots of food for thought. You leave me looking forward to more!
This guy should get a time slot on TV to do his analysis ppt-s, and i would watch it daily/weekly.
Everyone on TV should be doing something else, like making Perun a sandwich or something
TV is outdated... internet (YT) gives you more options and you are free to choose when to watch unlike on TV
@@ologhai8559 True, but a lot of ppl watch it, and this level of analysis deserves way more screen time than anyone SkyNews or CNN brought on in the last year. It is good for informing the people Perun cant reach now (big audience basically) and who arent internet literate as this level of analysis is too absent from a lot of public discussion.
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You just started my morning off great!
Thanks for your comment!
Stay safe, stay sane, stay strong Ukraine 🇺🇦
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Best part of my Sundays is a new Perun video 👍
great info. thanks.
your sarcasm is priceless..tnx!
Thanks for another Sunday morning PowerPoint! Best part of the week!
Brilliant! This is my absolute favorite channel! Thank you!
A great video as always.