10 DISAPPOINTMENTS WITH THE 2022 TOYOTA TUNDRA
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- čas přidán 24. 09. 2021
- The new 2022 Toyota Tundra is an amazing truck with a host of new features, but is it a perfect truck? Automotive Engineer and MIT Grad David Koichi Chao provides an unbiased opinion about what is "missing" in the new 2022 Tundra. David explains the top 10 things that he's not happy with the new Tundra, although he still plans to buy it. There are other disappointments too, but this video highlights David's top 10 list of things that can be improved or missing in the new Tundra.
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This should have been titled, "10 things I love about the Sierra"
😂😂
I agree. This is just silly. Why would you do a video about a Toyota with a GMC? He gives a great rundown of the GMC, inside and out. Lol
I agree. Complaint #1 if you're gonna make a tundra video, make sure you have a tundra.
Does he even own a pickup truck at all? They should.. that's all he's saying. And has a GMC as an example. What a moron.
Completely agree... toyota is trying to copy name brand genuine GM, because they know they're much better☝️
Fancy tailgates are heavier when you need to remove them and are more expensive to replace when you damage them.
i had the toughest time removing the tailgates off of denalies to spray the beds of gmc’s. i grew some muscles removing those tailgates lol.
Yeah, not really a fan of those tailgates. Does anyone even use them?
my boss with a 2020 denali and the hud has a fat crack in the windshield...cant get a replacement.
he also said his truck is worth 70k because its loaded with options.
im tempted to sell my 18 sierra 6.2l
I don't like those tailgates on the gmc they are useless if you have a trailer on or if you lift them.
Actually,as an old guy with bad knees it's nice.
To me, the lack of the V8 and full time 4wd are the main reasons I will not get one. Once you experience full time 4wd, you’ll never want a vehicle without it. It’s helpful in many situations that you don’t even think about!.
I still love the tundra all the way knowing it's a reliable truck 20 years from now.
2021 and below yes, may not be the case with the 2022 and up models.
@@dirkdiggler9964 fingers 🤞crossed hope it holds the Toyota reliability reputations
@@heavy12inchsub79 ya me too, I want one but worry, turbo hybrids on an off road vehicle is asking for problems you ask me, but what do I know 😂😂🤷🏼
It’s not even out yet.... how could you know a first gen twin turbocharged v6 is going to be reliable when the only data we have suggests turbocharged engines do not hold up to longevity?
Same case with the GM trucks, had one go 360K, one 180K, My 2021 Silverado Trail Boss LT is my 7th brand new GM truck in the last 33 years, not one trip for repairs for any of them other than my 88 with 360K needed an alternator at 270K.
For me it is the loss of rear storage with the hybrid, no ability to fold up the seats and get a flat passenger area, no generator option with the hybrid, also I would love to have a Tundra Prime.
b!tching and complaining enough and they will put those in...like the 6.5' bed + crewmax. I got a feeling Toyota will put the 5.7L back after complaints.
I understand the absence of a generator, the volume Toyota does probably didn’t justify the R and D cost. Rear seat storage should have been thought out better with the hybrid.
Agreed. Since I use my truck, that is where all the gloves, bungees, straps, and tools go.
Agreed completely, I always fold up the seats and my dogs have tons of room to lay or sit without screwing up the leather in my 2014
@@Baebon6259 that would be nice if they listen to the people/customers.
I'm going to sit this out and see if they make improvements and make "Dave" and me a happier person in 2023.
I prefer the steps on the side bumpers more than the multi functional tailgate mainly because it interferes with the hitch if ur a guy that tows a lot
The multi function tailgate is fine until mud snow and ice gets on the hinges.
Gimmicks sells to folks. That was used because GMC ran out of really useful upgrades. They just make you pay extra for something you don't really need. I like that Toyota doesn't load their vehicles with gimmicks.
I use the massive step on the multiflex everyday. Best new thing on a pickup truck today. I can carry heavy stuff with two hands and walk straight out of the truck. Before i had to drop it on the gate, jump out, grab it. The side step on the bumper is a nice height to quickly jump over the gate.
@@captainbill8834
You won't say that if you log in Alaska.
The truck gets covered in mud. Any crevice will be filled with mud, pebbles, and vegetation. During winter, everything freezes.
You want everything to be simple.
I agree, Toyota doesn’t load their vehicles with gimmicks
David, my biggest disappointments with the Tundra are
Lack of standard two door cab
Lack of two door cab with 6.5 Foot, and 8 Foot Truck Box.
Loosing the 5.7 V8. Other manufacturers have figured out how to make V8’s more efficient.
Is almost like they don't want to make money...
This has to be influenced by the supply shortages...
Lol more efficient v8
About 3/4 though this video I was saying to myself, "I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned the electric steering!" You never disappoint haha
Yeah but isnt electric steering a requirement for lane keep assist which means Sierra and F150 will be moving in that direction as they catch up on lane keep?
After you experience the hell I went through with GM's transmission you won't worry about that V8. They're building junk.
I can agree with that
GMs V8 5.3L & the 6.2L transmission issues, have they been resolved and which year did you have that problem with?
I just recently replaced my transmission in a 2017 suburban. GM service dept frowned when asked if my 2017 Silverado would be the same. Toyota here I come!!
I had a 2017-- trans went bad at 50k miles. Truck spent a total of 70 days in the shop. GM finally put a remanufactured trans in as replacement and the same problems began again. Shake, jump, bump whinning and burn smell etc. I asked them to look at the torque converter too and they refused. In the end the notes for my last visit said GM engineers are well aware of the problem -- no fix at this time. I concluded they don't live up to their warranty. After 40 years buying Chevys I'm done. Refer to 8l45 and 8l90 transmission class action lawsuits. Also on GM authority-- it says GM argued in court the trucks need not be warranted because this is a design defect not workmanship or materials. Design defect isn't covered.
@@DS-cw8pm yep sounds about right I am going through the same thing with my 2021 Silverado. Bad brake caliper and they are giving me a run around. This is why I don’t buy extended warranties from dealerships because if you can’t honor the warranty that comes with the truck why should I buy your extended warranty
It’s shame that new tundra doesn’t have the multiple plug ins in the back. Like the f-150 hybrid can be used as a generator if your
working in the middle of no where.
I agree...that 7.2 kw Power Boost is amazing...Hope Toyota picks up this option.
They literally caught up to 2019 pick-ups. Absolutely nothing new.
A contractor mentioned that he doesn't care about the built in generator, because for his type of work he needs a mobile generator, and you can't drive your truck everywhere, or plug a really long extension. That being said, just buy an inverter for a few hundred bucks and you can use any vehicle as a generator.
for a normal user it's just a gimmick
All tools are now cordless, I have cordless air compressor and nail gun, also cordless chisel hammer, cordless worm drive. If I need a generator i use my generator lol,
Allow me to sum this up. Beyond cosmetic opinion, the primary disappointment is the powertrain. We all exist in the interim between full electrification and hybrid vehicles. Like it or not, this is the period before full electrification becomes standard.
I am the proud owner of an 18' Platinum with the 5.7. The V8 is a beautifully audible workhorse, but has the same drawbacks as any other large ICE.
My humble consensus: all V8 powerhouse, or make the jump to fully electric. The interim feels like a temporary joke. Cheers.
You’re right about the feel of the V-8 and the way it compares to the TTV-6. Thanks again for your timely and expert reviews. By the way, that’s a gorgeous red GMC truck.
💯/💯…Your right / V6 👎 no mere the what and however strong…no no no.
You have driven a new Tundra?!?!
Thanks once again David. When you do get the opportunity to drive one, please report on your findings for turbo lag. Even Mike Sweers mentions turbo lag when discussing the hybrid model. Mike also states that the old V8 has federal restrictions that would be difficult to meet. But I do think they could have made the V6TT as the base and continue to offer the V8 as an option. Down the road it would be interesting what that would do to resale or KBB value.
Boy are you going to cry when combustion engines are no longer available. 2030
Thank you tundra for keeping it simple,durable and cheap.The last thing I need in a truck is more sensors and buttons.
we don't know if it will be durable or cheap.
@@hubgold487 True ,I think they took all reliability out in 2022
Cheap?? Uh ...I don't think so....
37.6K starting price for a baseline Tundra is far from cheap. Baseline for GMC w/v6 is 30.1K
Flat loading floor in the back and a 4wheel auto option, is that too much to ask?
Thanks for an objective take on Tundra David. I’m considering the Pro, but I can’t get over how gaudy that stamped tailgate looks. One of the first things I’d do is find someone with a non pro to swap tailgates with
Seriously, the pro tailgate is SO awful looking! I hope that can be a "delete" option and then just get a regular one.
The whole truck is gaudy looking!!
For the everyday person that gets a new truck every 10 years and wants it to last and be reliable and to get decent mileage the tundra is much superior to the Sierra…
They all have problems dude lol. Tundra and there transmissions. Woooof
Sierra hd 2500 22 yrs, no problems and still going strong. We were going to buy a new Tundra but not now since they do not offer the bigger engine
@@shaneonews6791 the new tundra has a new transmission…
2018 Chevy 1500 and transmission went out at 90k miles. I'll def buy the Tundra over any gm product
Hi David, thanks again for your expertise to point out the downside of the Tundra!! However some of those points may change after you will be able to drive it!! I’m looking forward to do just that!! And be the proud owner of the the new Tundra !!
Thank you for risking and being honest with us. Im a huge fan for life now. I didn't think you'd do this. It means a lot to us. Thank you very much ❤
I'm so glad you brought up the tow hook. I think you are one of the only reviewers who brought this up. Good on you
Agree 100% but also as a Toyota owner and a 2020 F250 diesel/platinum/tremor owner, the overall content between the trucks is not even close. Side spotlights, actual cooled seats, upfitter switches, oem winch options, on and on. I’m not a brand loyalist, but Toyota has underestimated that it is hard to acquire “conquest customers” when all you really offer is supposedly better QDR. Domestic trucks are pretty strong on QDR already.
Had V8 Toyota's for 20 years. Sad to see them go. The TT6 configuration doesn't sit well with me, nor the steering. Would have preferred V6+hybrid or V8+hybrid, no Turbo.
no one cares
You can’t ever make people happy they will always complain.. honestly when you sit in that gmc looks the same for past 20 years like tundra did
Exactly. People talk about how much improvement the US truck manufacturers make and what I see are tonight looking interiors. I have test driven Chevy, Fords and GMCs often just for the fun of it. They are often cheap looking inside with a lot of plastic.
@@renatoslife5373 .yes and they are problematic. The only decent engines are the 5.0 Ford.and the 6.0 on chevi- heavy duty the rest are junk.
Hey guys, be real, all of the interiors are plastic. GM & Dodge seem to have figured out how to increase fuel efficiency with their V8’s.
I wish Toyota would, and keep the 5.7. It’s a great engine. Offer the new V6 TT option, offer a Diesel option. Don’t stick us with one
Choice, and before someone comments on the Hybrid option, you’re still stuck with the V6 Twin Turbo. Talk to anyone with an F150
With 200K + Km’s, ask them what they have spent on maintenance.
@@ramiroescamilla7263 VERY PROBLEMATIC! no a guy that works at the mines and there trucks are always breaking. Never had that problem when they were using tundras. He is begging them to return. Toyota reliability is unmatched.
The number one feature in a Tundra that I look for is the power rear window which retracts, like what I have in my 2005 model. I need that natural air flow in the cabin.
It's one of, if not my favorite thing about my Tundra
I believe my dad has that feature on his 2002 Tundra
😍 my 2006!!!
I agree. I have a 2004 Tundra and love the retractable rear window.
I have a 2006 Tundra and love the sliding back window
hey Dave ive been researching for new trucks past 4 years now love your honesty. leaning towards tundra. as soon as more details come out.
I would like to have a V8 engine option, 4 wheel auto. And I think the front of the truck would look much better if the center grill would remain black with the full lower bumper would be all one color and not divided by black or chrome
Chrome is for luxury models. Black is TRD White and Black. Hopefully there is a lower model with painted ones.
Chevy Tahoe - 15k miles = replace the whole radiator! At 25k miles = replace the whole Engine! Toyota 15 years of no = No Major Repairs! It's your money, your choice!
Good video. Very detailed
The biggest disappointments in the 2022 tundra are no V8, payload, and towing capacity
Thanks for some honest opinion. My biggest complaint is the lack of 4wd auto. It’s a must have feature in Alaska where conditions change from snowy side roads to clear main roads. I also don’t like where the 4wd switch is or how it’s designed
And they’ll likely have to put it in the sequoia which is built on the same line in the same plant.
That was what I was waiting for. Everyone else has that feature.
seems pretty trivial imo. if the weather is that bad leave it on..
I love the reliability of the Toyota Tundra. I have the 2019 Tundra 1794 and I love it. I love the V8 and I am not sold on the V6 at all. I will never be able to get another Tundra, unless it comes with a V8.
Sucks for you g
The new styling is way nicer than the older models lol
Great video! Especially the NO V8!! I said it all along Toyota screwed this one up I have seen so many people I’m talking about hundreds just myself that will not purchase this vehicle because of no V8.
And it’s a turbo that will destroy the Toyota reliability.
That’s honestly a very stupid reason. The new motor is way better then the v8 it out performs in every way
David always proving his worth, providing an unbiased opinion. Not only such a reliable source but utilizes a the platform for sharing info with the consumers. Always will be following all while spreading your word to others in the marketplace.
Thank you!
@@AutomotivePress proud to have found such a prestigious channel. Thank you sir!
I love my 2020 tundra and was real excited to see the new 2022 but I’m not as excited as I was, I’m up in the air with the new look and I really like the 5.7 iforce
The worse thing thing about the Tundra is the look of the front end. The size of the grill compared to the rest of the truck, looks massive! Add to it the black paint on the bumper below the grill, makes it look that much bigger. The head lamp assembly is too small for that large grill. The infotainment screen is a joke. It is way too high off the dash. The rear of the truck is too plain. Toyota should have used the example of the 2021 Tacoma for styling. It is sculpted and looks crisp and mean. The angles of the headlamps, body side moldings and rear bumper has style.
I'm glad you will be reviewing more vehicles than just the Tundra.
Would love the bench seat. And diesel. Agree with the step in the bumper. That is a great design.
Biggest disappointment (other than the styling): the hybrid battery takes up storage space in the cabin. The F150 hybrid manages to place the battery outside the cabin
I agree with this and some models like the Pro are hybrid only so you have nowhere inside the truck for tools and equipment.
I agree it takes up a ton of space in the cabin. I also don't want a big toxic high voltage battery in my cabin. But the white TRD Pro looks so sweet that I might just deal with it.
@@tomjohnson8737 you can't fit hardly anything back there lol
@@tomjohnson8737 I said tools and equipment. Stop trying to defend stupid design choices. Telling anyone that actually uses a truck for what it's ment for that there's enough storage behind the seat is idiotic. We wouldn't be having this conversation if Toyota would put just the basic things you would expect a truck to have in the truck.
@@tomjohnson8737 Toyota is mad they can't sell even half the amount of trucks Ford does.
Very refreshing to hear this from you. I really like your content and point of view! Thank you for making a video on the cons as well.
This is ur second video I watched and saw ur episode with the car_care_nut channel, and can only say I am impressed and very well worth the subscription.....Excellent job.
I think the biggest complaint on the old tundras is the MPG of the old V8. That biggest complaint of the lates updated is that the new MPG is not revealed, very dissappointing.
I have to tell you though, that gmc interior looks bland compared to the TUNDRA. No comparison at all. I understand your other complaints though.
@@BGood496 it is cheap. As the truck ages the plastic parts fall off.
I agree with David seven of the 10 things, but I love to have the shifter in the middle .
With all I do with a truck a front bench seat is not necessary
Yup the gm interior is pretty dated and plasticy. The 2022 gm interior is much improved
It does look bland even compared to my 2019 Tundra.
‘22 Sierras have refreshed interiors that look better than the Tundra imo
Let’s be honest. Most aren’t buying a Tundra because it has the best looks or features. We’re buying it because it has the highest reliability, longevity and quality build in its class. If I was leasing a truck and didn’t care about the previously mentioned things, I’d get a RAM 1500 all day long. I’m here for quality. If the other items are in the same ballpark, I’m happy. I wouldn’t trust that GMC or RAM past 5yrs w/o quality issues occurring. I wouldn’t blink an eye with the Tundra past 10yrs+. The fact that a Dodge RAM is now called a RAM speaks volumes of its proven lack of quality in my book. Is it possible the new RAM’s quality has increased, probably. Am I willing to bet $70k on it? Nope!
Totally agreed with you.
I agree…reliability is the” bread and butter of Toyota “according to the lead U.S. Toyota engineer.
Agreed.. but I get the point that a redesign from the ground up should have addressed some design flaws... rear storage for 1.. Ford put the batteries between the frame and the inverter.
A lot of that reliability came from the powertrain, which they completely changed.
Man I own a tundra, an I have to admit that dodge rebel is bad ass !
You are one of the few who make quality content. Thank you!
6 passenger bench seat option is something I’ll miss. With so much interior space having a additional passenger option comes in handy.
It’s a huge bummer.
Im sorry that you don’t really like the 2022 Tundra David. I actually love the TRD Pro Look inside and outside. Its a badass looking truck! My friend was about to buy a 2021 BMW M4 and I showed him couple videos on the TRD Pro Tundra. He also said it looks badass and he’s actually changing his mind about the m4! 🤣 He never had a Toyota before and this new 2022 TRD Pro Tundra got him hooked! 😍
It isn't that he doesn't like it, it's just some things that Toyota didn't add that he's commented on.
I bought a new truck and I really like it but there's always something I wish the manufacturer had thought about adding or changed.
mall crawler for 99%
That's cool, but how is an M4 and a pickup in the same discussion? I guess your friend is buying the truck for non truck related reasons...
Good thoughts, especially about the 4WD-Auto mode. Safety and convenience!
And an inferior transfer case that will get you stuck in the sand & mud!
Go auto and it’s a guaranteed call to Matt’s off-Road Recovery.
I love your honesty and fairness.
Some really good points and thoughts.
How about no onboard generator with the iforce max engine. That 400 watt plug in the bed isnt enough. Would be nice to have what ford has with the hybrid f150.
Yeah they asked people that were in construction, not home owners that would use that feature
Even though payload is more than before, still seems way low in many of the trim levels...especially for towing near the towing limit...not enough payload for higher tongue/pin weights.
Toyota says they go strictly by towing standards and don't fudge their numbers. I have put 1800 pounds in the back of my 2015 Platinum and I had no issues. A friend of mine said he dented and put a hole into his F150 bed loading supplies dor a camping trip. He had that Ford for 6 months before going back to a 2nd generation Tundra. He said he made a mistake going to a Ford.
Good day,
This was my first time watching one of your clips. I was pleasantly surprised with you views on both North American and Japanese/NA products.
My Toyota/Lexus experience spans from 87 to 03 with (3) Xtra cab 4X4’s one I4 turbo and two V6’s and a 03 GX470 4.7 V8.
My 5 likes are quality, value, most ergonomic designs for interiors,styling (pre 2010’s) and fuel economy.
My 5 dislikes are general maintenance costs, lack of power, lack of features compared to their NA counterparts, new styling, and lack of power plant options.
As you mentioned, you can understand some of the lack of options/ features on the Tundra but, the Tacoma has been the #1 selling midsized p/u for quite awhile now and that shouldn’t be a limiting factor on the Tacoma options/features but, it still is.
Great commentary on the new Tundra!
Stay safe and healthy.
Toyota is arrogant and will do what they think their customers want - not what their customers actually want. If I were leading Toyota truck divisions, I'd fight tooth and nails to maintain lead in Tacoma segment and push forward with upping everything in half-ton segment as well. Not just "me too" catch up that the Tundra's playing.
So happy I finally got my 2021 Crew. Dealership showed me that it was the last one on their lot and the last one they were expecting.
David, I have a feeling there is going to be a NEW premium level tundra... Luxury comfort beyond the platinum and 1794... I also think they NEED to build a truck for truck guys. I hate all of the infotainment bullpucky. I don't need a back up trailer assist because my dad taught me how to back a trailer as a right of passage... My perfect truck: 1. monster towing (like 3/4ton towing) who cares the fuel mileage when towing... 2. Great fuel mileage when NOT towing(25+mpg)...3. AC... 4. Diff lock front and rear... 5. Off road terrain tires that are not too noisy (general grabber at3)...6. a simple clean sounding stereo system with USB and audio ports and bluetooth.
6+ Maybe throw in a luxury or 2, like power windows and locks. In other words I want a TRUCK not a soft family sedan!
I don't mind some luxury. But they focused on the infotainment system... it appears Toyota built the truck for techies...
Great Review! Many of us feel the very same; especially with no V8 option! I’ve been wanting their diesel for years! Toyota almost lost me as a long time owner for both my wife and myself. Two weeks ago, I settled for a 1794 in Smoked Mesquite that was just added to the lot. I’ll keep this one till my days are over most likely; Unless, they get smart and release that diesel. In a sense, I hope Toyota takes a hit in their truck sales.
They make almost no money on the tundra. It doesn't make sense to add more options for a vehicle that sells under 50K a year and increase development costs even more when you're not making any money. If it sells well and makes it into the big leagues, then it would make sense for Toyota to add many more options to attract more buyers as the car is actually making money and they can use that development money. They probably have to hit 200k at least annually for it to make sense
I was ready to hate on this video, but it was well thought out and well stated. You’ve got a lot of valid points. Sub earned!
I’m hoping to trade in my F150 for this, but price and MPG are key factors that’ll make or break my decision. The other stuff I can live with and I think it’s a handsome squared off truck.
The lack of auto 4wd is an absolute head scratcher for me. Honestly it’s probably the biggest reason I nkow don’t have the desire to purchase it. Lack of V8 option would be 2nd but that I could overlook with the power and torque of the TT V6.
TTV6 scares me. If I'm buying a new Tundra, I want no headaches for 500,000 miles. Turbos are just something to break in the extremely long term.
@@edkrassenstein5534 you can’t really say too much yet because fords eco boost in the f-150 has been pretty reliable and they’ve been around for a while now. Knowing Toyota they’d be even more reliable.
@@christ2054 yeah, and people say turbos now are way more reliable than they were 20 years ago. truthfully, I'll wait a year and try to get one used.
The turbos have me worried a little to, but I think Toyota has been building turbo diesels all over the world for years now, how will the turbos hold up in cold North American winters
I agree 100% about the tailgate. I really thought now would have been the time to give us that multi functional tailgate so Toyota failed there for me. Also I was not aware of Toyota not including the tow hooks, this should have been and should always be standard.
Great video.
NOPE. Toyota knows expensive problems and long term reliability and that means NO such tailgate
Tundra's chief engineer said it himself that there will not be any tailgate functions. They're keeping it simple so has less chances of breaking.
I wish they made the Hybrid available to the SR5 TRD Sport or TRD Off-road models.
Trd sport with the hybrid would be 👍
The best review of the new TRD PRO, bar none! And I agree with every point made! Thus, I will not be running out to buy one anytime soon. But I have definitely liked, and subscribed!😊
A guy I work with bought a brand new GMC Sirrea last year. Last week the transmission blew with only 18K miles on it! Toyota only for me!
EDIT: I'm really disappointed in the lack of pricing information and availability date - seems they could have figured that out by now. David - Good points on your disappointments. I'm looking forward to your review on the GMC and then getting a good comparison when you finally get to drive the 2022 Tundra. Do you the fuel economy on the new Tundra will be a little bit lower than the LC300 but not too far off? I'll be upgrading from a 2006 Tundra to the new Tundra as soon as I can and I'm looking to maximize towing and payload capacity. Seems to me, the base engine will do that as the hybrid will likely lose some payload.
Government is being hard on toyota for not updating their tundra.. so it'll take some time.
Availability should be in December except for the solar octane that will be in march check out the toyota website
I just wish we would have had the chance to have the 5.7 with the Ten speed, that would have been very interesting!
I appreciate your honesty, well said,I couldn’t agree more👍🏼🙏🏼
Love the styling! My two biggest disappointments are 1. I expected more hp with the iForce Max (closer to 500 hp) and 2. a lack of plug-in hybrid or electric version.
I agree. I am not sure why they (Toyota) said the tundra would be a game changer….I just don’t see it. Toyota is slow to do things, but they do sure make them very good when they do. I am sure when they come out with a PHV and EV. I am looking to trade my 2018 TRD Off-Road 4Runner for something more fuel efficient I just got a new job and my commute miles vary from month to month. I am thinking either down sizing to a Prius AWD-E or maybe wait it out and get the nest year BZX4. Overall I like the truck, but I was expecting way more.
its coming... its only a matter of time. Hang in there.
I know this guy knows infinitely more than I do about engines, but calling something from GMC "world class" seems to be a bit of stretch.
Just finished your video, I agree with you, there should be a Bench Seat option, a bumper step would be nice.
A single piece steel bumper would be a better choice.
I would love to have a Diesel. I won’t be buying a Twin Turbo Engine, or any Hybrid.
I guess my 2021 will be my last Toyota if the don’t smarten up and offer things customers want.
An improved 5.7, and a Diesel.
Just wait till the bullshit electric trucks come out . Sorry Toyota you lost a fan and will be going back to Chevy or even Ram
Don’t worry the next truck you’ll buy won’t have a v8 it’ll have an electric motor and you’re going to love it.
@@michaelriecher5632 nope
At this rate, add a manual. Lets go backwards in time.
@@KhoiBoa Adding a manual would be a great idea! Maybe a six speed with an overdrive.
Good video. All points are valid.
I completely agree especially with the engine choices. Good video! 👍
2 big things for me.
1.engine. I wanted the V8 or diesel. That really bothers me. To the 10 speed, that would be great. Mate the hybrid to the 4.7 V8 to max power and efficiency. The diesel could have opened the heavy duty segment up. What about the diesel mated to the hybrid as they do now? That would have bonkers torque.
2. I miss the hood scoops. I think that made the tundra look unique over the others, even if the grillis are the same. I think the could have made the main scoop functional with the twin turbo/ increasing air to the v8. In adding the scoop/scoops would help lessen the complaint that it looks like GMC/Chevy.
My 2 cents
That would not have been a bad idea using the 4.7 with the hybrid capabilities. Still maintain the smaller V8 while enhancing it electric system. Well done Mr. W.A. Harris!👍🏽 but I can also customers not wanting to let go of that 5.7 at all…
@@terencole1854 agreed. I think the 5.7 in general (optional supercharger), the twin turbo v6, the diesel they are using overseas (i think it's a v6 in the land cruiser), and the 4.7 v8 hybrid/ diesel hybrid)
The TTV6 Hybrid makes more horsepower and torque than the 5.0 Cummins in the Nissan Titan and any other diesel in the 1/2 ton segment. Probably gets better gas mileage too. I don’t know y’all why complaining.
@@Toe_Knee_69 not complaining just pointing out how the person that was explaining to the world how much better and stronger the new powertrain would be just literally said he wish they didn’t discontinue the V8 because it’s better..a walking contradiction
quit talking fuckng V8. its gone
Wow… you just shot me in the Heart. I have a 2021 Trail-boss 6.2L and tho I love this truck, I am looking forward on trading it for the 22’ Tundra. Dependability is my #1 concern with these (GM) trucks. They have been having lifter issues at 3,000k smh. And I can’t trust it.
I feel the same with my 21 Ram
I can tell you confidently that Toyota tested the heck out of the new power train and it's components all over the US for a million miles and found no issues with it.The same engine is found in their flagship Land Cruiser LC300 and they wouldn't mess with it's reputation earned over 70 years by putting in an unreliable engine in that would they?
The fact is the V8 was great and all but 14mpg is unacceptable in 2021 even if gas is dirt cheap.Ford has been offering 75% of it's F150s with the 3.5l Ecoboost for years without significant issues with the turbos.
Turbos just have an unfairly earned reputation as unreliable and this is spread by uninformed folks.
GM sells more than any other company combining GMC and Chevy Trucks. That is several hundred thousand trucks a year. Only a few percent were affected by lifter issues but that is a lot for a high volume seller. Unfortunately the customers that buy these are some of the biggest complainers. Including me. My 2020 Trailboss has been flawless this far. Love that beast.
@@josephkraft5640 I normally don’t like to complain, but when you drop 63k on a truck you would expect for it to run at least 50k without any issues. Some people have issues at 900 miles, 3000k miles and 5000k miles. I would hate for it to happen to me while I’m in another state. Thanks for your input tho
@@Jsuazzo I agree. Pick of the litter. Some are fantastic and some can be problematic. I too trust Toyota’s reliability over all others as a general rule. I’ll probably buy one because of that -but I’ve owned Fords and Chevys and they have been great vehicles so far.
Trd pro, only one choice for motorisation, the hybride one, with the battery under the back seats, taking out a very important and useful storage spaces
I use that automatic 4wd in my 2013 Nissan Armada all the time. Matter in fact, I never switch that off until spring time. I really wish I had that on my 2018 Tundra!!
Thank you for your honesty in reevaluating the decision of Toyota to drop the great 5.7. The 6 will be a disappointment. Those slamming you for your honesty only want justification for them wanting to buy it. I see you as trying to have them avoid disappointment. Also not having tow hooks is crazy. Your other observations are spot on. Dropping the 8 and not replacing with a diesel is not wise. Tundra owners since I bought my 07 Crewmax new have been asking for a diesel option also so Toyota had years to do it. Your honesty in your reviews is a breath of fresh air compared to the other reviewers on CZcams that sound more like fawning salesmen then honest reviewers.
What are total diesel sales in the US? I'll tell you. Not enough for Toyota to care. Theyre appealing to a different market. If you need a diesel, you can buy a Ford, GM, or ram.
That v6 twin turbo will make you forget about v8s
@@Anthony-qq2ue never, boosted gas engines do not last long as the tundra v8
@@titirititiri6360 says who
@@Anthony-qq2ue statistics, show me a boosted gas v6 with 1 million miles original motor and transmission??
I too wish they would have kept the 5.7 V8 as an optional engine. Even though the
fuel economy is not that great, It's still 3-5 mpg better than I'm currently getting with
my F150 5.0 Windsor engine
As much as I like a good old 5.0 small block, I can't imagine too many people out there even still drive a truck like yours.
@@BarnStangz plenty of old trucks used daily in the southwest where they don’t rot out
@@tomdavis3038 True, didn't think about that. Here in the Rust Belt stuff doesn't last too long...
Excellent job David!. This video proves you are fair and show both sides. Makes you a lot more credible!!. Keep on going!.
Thanks, will do!
How does that make you feel about the upcoming 4 cylinder turbo charged engine speculation for the 4Runner?
Get the 6 cylinder whiles it’s still available or is that comparing apples and oranges?
‼️David
Your 10 disappointments are all valid 👍🏻.
I would add:
11- The Tundra’s tires look incredibly small (profile view - Toyota’s own photos) compared to the truck’s design and size.
12- The front and rear overhangs (axles to bumpers distance) are still longer than the competition’s (Toyota love long overhangs on all its vehicles for some reason). Also … the front bumper (bottom part) is angled downwards … an awkward design.
13- You can look straight through the truck in profile (9.34) and looks unfinished and odd.
14- The interior center console big monitor is positioned too high. Should have been an inch lower … (and hopefully it is the latest tech with an easy and quick dimmable feature, and that the blacks are pure blacks without any light bleed (night time driving).
15- I still wish the standard ground clearance was higher. It’s a truck … it is a vehicle that you have to climb (and crawl :) into almost regardless of your personal stature … so another two or three inches of standard ground clearance and bigger tires and bigger wheel wells (for aftermarket additions) would have been great. But, perhaps that’s just me …
Your #11 and #15 are probably deal breaker for me, not to mention lack of V8.
The first thing I thought when I saw that center console was that it was designed for a 12" screen and they last minute decided to throw a 14" one in there to 1-up the competition.
No. Was wondering if the 35s would even fit on that space!!!
@@1985HabsFanForever … that is what it appears like, yes.
I believe there is an option reg the screen size … 8 inch as standard, and 14 inch optional.
@@maxospreys2964 … we’ll just have to wait and see what the max wheel well “headroom” will be :)
The 5 liter engine out off lc500 in the new tundra will be awesome. Wish it offer similar technology like the super cruiser.
no torque
@@02hreblue30 They can tune that engine to get more low-end torque. Look how Ford retuned their high revving coyote 5.0 and put it in their F150. Toyota could've done the same with that Lexus 5.0.
You nailed it!!!
Good analysis . . .
As always, great insight and honest take on Toyota David, thank you! It's a hit or miss for me in regards to the new model. I love my '18 DC 4x4 and while it sucks in gas, anyone that buys these trucks know that from the beginning. Toyota has made the claim that they're not "competing" per se with the 3 domestic brands but they are. Which brings me to ask your honest opinion David? Have you read this article on Wired that Toyota is heavily opposed to full EVs? I just read an article on Wired dated July 2021 that the reason we're not getting a full EV truck is because Toyota is so heavily invested in hybrids that mgmt has stubbornly refused to acknowledge that EVs are coming sooner than they projected (so much so that they're even paying govt lobbyists to slow down EV mandates!). It's a very interesting and enlightening article. They've made millions of their Prius platform as we know but it's funny they've yet to introduce a full EV model yet (although they introduced the Mirai but we all know how popular that hydrogen alternative is getting right?). I feel like if they don't realize their mistake soon, they might suffer like BMW did when it stopped development of the I8. Sorry for the long post but love to hear what you think. Thanks again!
I agree entirely with your criticism of the new Tundra. Like you, I am a fan of Toyota, but this truck is not as innovative as I expected. The front end is, imo, unattractive.
Great and honest review.
your 100% right…. a 2500 series a diesel a V8 option…. all would have put the tundra over the top
Despite it’s weird front end grill with no tow hooks you gotta give people what they want and truck eng. choices is more important than an info screen
What do you think about the hump in the middle of the rear floor? How are other manufacturers getting away with a flat rear floor?
Ok, you get that GM and I'll get the Tundra problem solved
Said no one ever lol
I agree with giving the option of a V8 or twin turbo V6. But the other knocks mentioned, to me are more of personal preference. I'm still loving the new Tundra.
@J A me too just purchased one
Not having an intrusive console is a giant consideration, especially for tall people. If you are big and tall, the truck manufacturers are giving you the middle finger. The front window has been raked so much (for aerodynamics) that you are left peering into the top few inches, and then they install intrusive consoles.
I happen to like the styling. But I have two questions. Do you know if they have made any improvements to the JBL sound system. I love the top of the line sound system in my 2016 Platinum Tundra. I'm not seeing anything in the ads about the sound system/stereo. Also, have they upgraded from the ventilated front seats to AIR CONDITIONED front seats? It makes a great difference in the summer. Some people think ventilated seats mean air conditioned, it doesn't. My other vehicle, a Ford Edge has Air Conditioned and heated front seats. Thank you for all you do.
I think most of the companies bought f150 due to its mpg, hence toyota wants to compete with it. But still a V8 option would be good.
Well, coming from a Toyota engineer I think we can’t argue, anyway the new tundra I guess is not coming to Mexico, so we’ll keep our 2015 limited for a while still, 0 issues with it and yes that v8 sounds pretty damn good
He is not a Toyota engineer.
@@Enforcer0623 I didn't bring it up. Correcting with facts. Do you know it's subjective opinion? Oh wait you used the 💯 so you must. Accurate internet perspective
@@Enforcer0623 who is we ?
@@Enforcer0623 but the first comment said coming from a Toyota engineer. The only person from Toyota's engineering team publicly speaking on the truck is Mike Sweers. This guy is just someone that says they love Toyota vehicles. He is about as reliable as you and me when it comes to the new Toyota Tundra.
@@Enforcer0623 read for clarity. I said the first comment, not your comment. Instead of trying to justify something, take time to read and thoroughly understand.
Questions at this point….MPG for normal engine as well as hybrid version? MSRPs for the different configurations?
Top 5 complaints
No optional V8
No optional diesel
No shift on the fly 4WD
No version of Ram boxes
No version of Ram multifunction tailgate.
Should also do top 5 improvements
Is a “pro power” type inverter offered on the new tundra? Camping would be so much easier with on board power. Cooking, boiling water, etc. No more hassle with propane.
you can just buy an inverter for a few hundred bucks and you can use ANY car as a generator.
@@gwot Yeah but the thing is, if you use the 12V system, the power output is usually limited by the alternator, to, say, 400W / 100W for most Toyota models, and if you go beyond that, you run the risk of draining the start-up battery even if the car is running. And if you tap into the high voltage hybrid system, then a proper inverter is hard to find and safety is an issue. The ideal situation would be that a proper high output inverter is offered from the factory, that uses the over 1kwh hybrid battery which is already there. When the battery drops to say 20%, the truck switches on its engine automatically and charges for a few minutes, just like other hybrid models from Toyota, then you can enjoy another kWh of electrical energy. As long as you have gas, you have limitless energy. Not to mention the ability to power your travel trailer, no more battery pack/charge controller/inverter/solar panels on your RV, no more portable generator/jerry cans/maintenance, no more propane tanks/refills/safety hazards, what a relief that would be. It would make the Tundra the perfect RV tow-er, since it should be more reliable and rust-free than the F150 hybrid. You unhook the trailer and instantly gain back all the offroad ability offered by a truck. An inverter Toyota! Just an inverter! It doesn't even have to be standard... offer it as an option... oh...
@@lgccyy I wonder if the hybrid Tundra even has an alternator. But I totally forget about the alternator output, was just thinking about running off the battery alone. Also referring back to what i said... TOYOTA, can just put in an inverter for a few hundred bucks instead! it does have a 120v 400w plug... so.. that's something? just limited to low powered things. The chief engineer did mention in another video that the increase cost of a built in generator would be more expensive than just buying a generator, so their excuse was from a pure cost point of view is that there's no value in it when you can buy one for cheaper. They don't care about the convenience that comes from it.
@@gwot Yeah, I guess that makes sense for most people. It is a very good daily driver.
David, that split tailgate has been causing big dents for GM/Chevy. When you deploy split tailgate and you have a tow hitch in the receiver that split section hits the two hitch every time.
I dont think most people that are aware of how the tailgate works are actually damaging it that way. Is it a design flaw? Sure but it's easy to avoid having that issue. If someone couldn't figure out how to avoid denting their tailgate like that, they probably have no business being on the road at all.
good old GM engineering.
Need a new truck but will wait til 2023 or switch brands what's your thoughts on Nissan?
How is the fuel tank on the pass side, but the fuel filler door is on the drivers side work?.....does fuel stay in the extended length neck?
That car you're reviewing got more complaints than the all new Tundra...
This is true. I think if someone is to consider a Sierra or a Silverado, they need to stick with the 5.3L V8 / 10 Speed Tranny. That seems to be the bulletproof combination. He probably should have used an AT4 as the example instead of the Elevation.
I absolutely hate that massive grill on the new Tundra. Its too big. It looks like a large mouth bass coming at you lol
Well it is 583 tq its gonna get up quick coming for u
Seems to be the trend for all trucks these days. GMC, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge all the same way.
@@davehudson4607 Yeah but the Tundra grill is hands down the largest out of all of them. It will probably look better with a 6" lift kit and 37" tires on it to give the truck better proportions.
@@richr909 Not sure you’re right, I haven’t seen one in person. The GM grills are pretty big.
@@davehudson4607
This grill is absolutely bigger than the GM grills. I just owned a 2019 Gmc sierra and I now have a 2020 Chevy silverado. The Tundra grill is much bigger
Thanks for the video. I love the styling but I too wish it came with Auto 4WD.
This is a fantastic analysis of the Tundra options.