Why Shakespeare Could Never Have Been French

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  • Shakespeare sounds a certain way. Why? And why could it only work in English? • Written with Gretchen McCulloch of Lingthusiasm! Her podcast has an episode about how translators approach texts: lingthusiasm.com/post/6320866...
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  • @TomScottGo
    @TomScottGo  Před 3 lety +30099

    Apologies to French folks; this was tough!

  • @joey7979
    @joey7979 Před 3 lety +31256

    Swans are never surprisingly aggressive, they are always as aggressive as expected

    • @ec2552
      @ec2552 Před 3 lety +483

      its tom’s weakness

    • @brandonkey181
      @brandonkey181 Před 3 lety +442

      Ok then i will lower my expectations for their aggression

    • @locust76
      @locust76 Před 3 lety +214

      Swandalf the Gray, is that you?

    • @tornadotaylor8956
      @tornadotaylor8956 Před 3 lety +56

      Then they must be extremely aggressive

    • @celebrim1
      @celebrim1 Před 3 lety +15

      @Spatza You must be fun at parties.

  • @gpk6458
    @gpk6458 Před 3 lety +8081

    Tom: There will be jump cuts.
    Also Tom: Single take, no jump cuts.

    • @teddyboragina6437
      @teddyboragina6437 Před 3 lety +386

      if there was a jumpcut, I missed it

    • @David_Box
      @David_Box Před 3 lety +211

      *"One take!"*

    • @xchronox0
      @xchronox0 Před 3 lety +97

      I noticed one, but that's it.

    • @AgentWaltonSimons
      @AgentWaltonSimons Před 3 lety +56

      @@xchronox0 Where, I've watched through a couple of times, and can't spot it!

    • @Zephirus10
      @Zephirus10 Před 3 lety +219

      I was watching the swans carefully for jumps... And attacks. Can never be too careful.

  • @profcalcium
    @profcalcium Před rokem +97

    IMO the most important reason why Shakespeare could never have been French is because he was born in Stratford-upon-Avon, England

  • @capbarker
    @capbarker Před 2 lety +3938

    I'm fluent in English and French and you've blown my mind. I'm well aware of lexical stress in English but it never crossed my mind about how it doesn't exist in French

    • @hansvandermeulen5515
      @hansvandermeulen5515 Před 2 lety +27

      Great Britain was ruled by francophones for several centuries, starting with William the Conqueror.

    • @JaKingScomez
      @JaKingScomez Před 2 lety +35

      @@hansvandermeulen5515 show me proof of each ruler through the generations ruling the entirety of great britian without losing it during those unnamed centuries you are talking about

    • @georgeiii2998
      @georgeiii2998 Před rokem +18

      @Viva Espana What?

    • @etaashmathamsetty7399
      @etaashmathamsetty7399 Před rokem +2

      same, but im not good at french

    • @MuyBienFelipe
      @MuyBienFelipe Před rokem +5

      @@JaKingScomez They literally slapped it as they royal motto.

  • @mrrandom1265
    @mrrandom1265 Před 3 lety +9301

    In an alternate universe:
    *Why Chèquespire Could Never Have Been English*

    • @tom.walder
      @tom.walder Před 3 lety +437

      Chêquespirrghe

    • @CrimsonPhantom88
      @CrimsonPhantom88 Před 3 lety +148

      莎士比亚

    • @ines3511
      @ines3511 Před 3 lety +567

      pourquoi chaiquespire n'aurait pas pu être Anglais

    • @mrrandom1265
      @mrrandom1265 Před 3 lety +220

      @@tom.walder there's no "gh" in French 😉

    • @paulp8028
      @paulp8028 Před 3 lety +172

      Pourquoi Chexpire n'aurait jamais pu être anglais

  • @gayflower900
    @gayflower900 Před 3 lety +3367

    “Surprisingly aggressive swans”
    Also known as swans

    • @simonmultiverse6349
      @simonmultiverse6349 Před 2 lety +64

      Now there was a young Scot called McNameter
      With a tool of prodigious diameter
      'Twas not merely the size
      Which occasioned surprise,
      But the rhythm: iambic pentameter

    • @freakoftheweek5470
      @freakoftheweek5470 Před 2 lety

      @@simonmultiverse6349 😳🙈❤️‍🔥

    • @simonmultiverse6349
      @simonmultiverse6349 Před 2 lety +33

      @@freakoftheweek5470
      Said a poet from Uzbekistan:
      Oh, my limericks never will scan!
      They are fine in their way
      But they all go astray
      When I try to put as many words into the last line as I possibly can.

    • @seanjohnisee
      @seanjohnisee Před 2 lety +3

      @@simonmultiverse6349 COME BACK WE NEED MORE

    • @ieatbananaswiththepeel4782
      @ieatbananaswiththepeel4782 Před 2 lety +3

      @@simonmultiverse6349 PLEASE

  • @RJP-Gaming
    @RJP-Gaming Před 2 lety +2391

    As an English speaker, this video made me realize that Haiku can pack infinitely more meaning in Japanese than English ever can.

    • @ALittleMessi
      @ALittleMessi Před 2 lety +305

      English Haiku kind of sucks in my opinion, and that's probably why

    • @rin_etoware_2989
      @rin_etoware_2989 Před rokem +332

      @@ALittleMessi a lot of it sucks because people keep thinking that you only need the 5-7-5 syllable structure to count as a haiku.

    • @NoddyTron
      @NoddyTron Před rokem +143

      I disagree, I'd say English can pack just as much in - BUT Japanese prizes economy above all, so the Haiku form itself makes more sense as a poetic challenge in Japanese.

    • @velandiapatinojuliandavid1140
    • @IoriTatsuguchi
      @IoriTatsuguchi Před rokem +11

      Would you care to explain why you think so?

  • @anicola2
    @anicola2 Před 2 lety +1380

    It took me years to realize how fundamentally different a perception of sound English speakers have, compared to us native French speaker. I had the impression that I was perfectly pronouncing English words (I wasn't, but honestly it wasn't that bad), and to my English-speaking colleagues I might as well have been speaking Mandarin. Meanwhile, they would mumble something and because they just pronounced right the stressed syllable, a Welshman, an American, an Australian and a Scotswoman would have no trouble whatsoever understanding each other. The other eye opener was when I realized that beyond the obvious complexity of prononciation as taught to us at school was another layer and that there were much more subtle nuances of sounds - which natives were very much aware of.

    • @kerriwilson7732
      @kerriwilson7732 Před 2 lety +69

      Be that as it may, as an English speaking Canadian I am enormously impressed by fluently bilingual francophones. I do not have the gift of learning languages.

    • @509Gman
      @509Gman Před 2 lety +187

      “a Welshman, an American, an Australian, and a Scotswoman would have no trouble whatsoever understanding each other”
      Well yes, but actually no.

    • @anicola2
      @anicola2 Před 2 lety +125

      @@509Gman Scratch "no trouble whatsoever", replace with "much less trouble" ^^

    • @weirdlanguageguy
      @weirdlanguageguy Před 2 lety +74

      @@kerriwilson7732 I would say it's less that you dont have a gift and more that you dont have the proper springboards. The reason why there are so many bilingual Europeans is not because they are so much better at learning languages or because English is so easy to learn, but because most non-English speakers will have to learn out of necessity. In the days when French was the global language, all educated English speakers would have spoken French.

    • @TheForeverRanger
      @TheForeverRanger Před 2 lety +12

      @@weirdlanguageguy If Zamehof had his way with it, we would all be speaking Esperanto.

  • @VinceGuido
    @VinceGuido Před 3 lety +8186

    “Stress isn’t normally something you have to consider when writing”
    A million stressed writers disagree

    • @nimeshajayatunge4007
      @nimeshajayatunge4007 Před 3 lety +108

      "but this does put a smile on my face"

    • @eccentricOrange
      @eccentricOrange Před 3 lety +74

      What about non-writers? It's a lot of stress for us STEM people!!

    • @spacecoyote6646
      @spacecoyote6646 Před 3 lety +26

      Unless you have already spent the advance and still have writer's block

    • @claudelister8149
      @claudelister8149 Před 2 lety +51

      @@eccentricOrange that's,,completely unrelated? The joke was taking "stress" and "writing" and twisting it to "stressed writers"? Sure, it must be hard being academic, but it's also hard being a creative who everyone belittles because art is seen as less than STEM.

    • @musewolfman
      @musewolfman Před 2 lety +18

      @@claudelister8149 and that's why STEAM is better than STEM.

  • @SwitchAndLever
    @SwitchAndLever Před 3 lety +23918

    This will be full of jump cuts.
    Not a single jump cut.
    Bravo!

    • @orochiv324
      @orochiv324 Před 3 lety +472

      Ok verified person

    • @real_dddf
      @real_dddf Před 3 lety +698

      or should we say, bravo editor?

    • @junkokonno
      @junkokonno Před 3 lety +58

      hi checkmark

    • @essentialatom
      @essentialatom Před 3 lety +18

      Predictable

    • @flymypg
      @flymypg Před 3 lety +430

      Hmmm. It would have needed a jump-cut to get rid of the warning about jump-cuts. No way to win.

  • @ChainBukorosu
    @ChainBukorosu Před 2 lety +374

    You made me understand why, as a native french speaker, I find english poetry so eerie yet so pleasant. Thank you !

    • @SmokingLaddy
      @SmokingLaddy Před 9 měsíci +4

      The water in Majorca don't taste like what it ought to

  • @hithisisme6332
    @hithisisme6332 Před 2 lety +265

    As a German, it never occurred to me that there are languages without lexical stress, despite me knowing French and Spanish. You really learn something new every day! Thank you!

    • @ALittleMessi
      @ALittleMessi Před 2 lety +12

      I guess that's the difference between knowing a language and being native in it. Apart from accents, they could probably tell that you're not a native French or Spanish

    • @gabrielesalera7088
      @gabrielesalera7088 Před rokem +6

      to be fair Spanish should have lexical stress. I mean, Italian does have it so I suppose ot should be the same for Spanish

    • @mariaah3073
      @mariaah3073 Před rokem +10

      @@gabrielesalera7088 I believe it does, it definitely has those words that change meaning when you change the stressed syllable. Same with Portuguese as well.

    • @claracuenca9221
      @claracuenca9221 Před 11 měsíci +12

      spanish does have lexical stress. In fact, it is shown in the words itself (á,é,í,ó,ú)

  • @OkamioftheRinnegan
    @OkamioftheRinnegan Před 3 lety +2708

    Alternate title: How Shakespeare ensured the French could never fully appreciate his plays

    • @stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369
      @stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 Před 3 lety +41

      Romeo and Juliet was still funny

    • @codekillerz5392
      @codekillerz5392 Před 3 lety +20

      Is that what I think it is? I suck at recognizing rhythm.

    • @baranxlr
      @baranxlr Před 3 lety

      My hero O7

    • @amytg777
      @amytg777 Před 3 lety +65

      Truly the patron saint of Brits everywhere.

    • @amytg777
      @amytg777 Před 3 lety +3

      @@codekillerz5392 What do you think it is? I’m trying to understand the joke but iambic pentameter doesn’t seem to fit and my recall when it comes to less famous rhythm is... dodgy, as Mr. Scott might say.

  • @alphapolimeris
    @alphapolimeris Před 3 lety +3228

    Me as a French : "I can't stress enough."
    -: "You can't stress what ?"
    -:" ..... I just can't."

    • @m_uz1244
      @m_uz1244 Před 3 lety +18

      "a French"? tf

    • @Gaellka
      @Gaellka Před 3 lety +12

      a french ...

    • @Emperorerror
      @Emperorerror Před 3 lety +385

      @@m_uz1244 It's an extremely common mistake by non-native speakers of English. In most languages, you can say "a French." English is weird in that you can do that with some demonyms but not others. You can say, "an American," "a Mexican," "an Italian." You can't say "a British," "a Japanese," "a Swedish," or, in this case, "a French." I'm not 100% sure what the rule is, but it seems to be at its very basic that you can only do it with ones that end with "an." "A German" does sound kind of weird, though, so I guess there are exceptions.
      What you can always do, in English, however, is say, "a French person" or "a Japanese person." You could even say, "an American person," but that does sound a bit weird. Less weird, though, than "a French."

    • @bunnyben5607
      @bunnyben5607 Před 3 lety +34

      This joke works on so many levels

    • @TheSpacecraftX
      @TheSpacecraftX Před 3 lety +255

      @@m_uz1244 Wouldn't be the internet without somebody complaining about a non native English speaker not getting the nuances of their second language quite perfect.

  • @VasiliyOgniov
    @VasiliyOgniov Před rokem +107

    As a native Russian speaker I find it funny that our poetry is also syllabo-tonic, just like English or German so it's easier to translate those languages properly but our authors mostly translated French poems, because it was much more culturally significant back in XVIII-XIX centuries

    • @AlchemistOfNirnroot
      @AlchemistOfNirnroot Před 6 měsíci +4

      Why are you using Roman numerals?

    • @tpuddin
      @tpuddin Před 6 měsíci +2

      ​@@AlchemistOfNirnrootbecause that's how you count centuries

    • @AlchemistOfNirnroot
      @AlchemistOfNirnroot Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@tpuddin most people just say 18th-19th century

    • @tiringsarcasm
      @tiringsarcasm Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@AlchemistOfNirnrootit just looks cooler

  • @ludovicmichel5275
    @ludovicmichel5275 Před 2 lety +317

    J'adore entendre un Anglais parler de la langue française, ça me fait remarquer toutes nos bizarreries linguistiques .

    • @byronwilliams7977
      @byronwilliams7977 Před 11 měsíci +8

      I'd say its mostly the prosodic differences between the languages.
      Je dirais que c'est largement a cause des differences prosodiques entre les langues.

  • @VanGruuv
    @VanGruuv Před 3 lety +2901

    "Stress isn't normally something you have to consider too much while writing"
    You should see me write a paper for uni...

  • @explolsivecake2045
    @explolsivecake2045 Před 3 lety +6067

    Me scrolling through yt at midnight: *sure, let’s find out why Shakespeare isn’t french*

  • @alxh3727
    @alxh3727 Před 2 lety +49

    I'm French and I had never heard someone sounding so French while speaking normal English

  • @baguetteDuGame
    @baguetteDuGame Před 2 lety +135

    As a french, it made me understand stuff about my own language. Very interesting. I think also this lack of lexical stress made our poets more creative in the content and less in musicality.
    I don't know how i ended up watching this though.

    • @calliarcale
      @calliarcale Před rokem +19

      French poetry is still very musical; it just depends less on inherent rhythm. Meter is still present, though. One of the most challenging poetic forms, the villanelle, comes from France, and it's very musical and highly structured despite the absence of lexical stress.

    • @markhathaway9456
      @markhathaway9456 Před 11 měsíci

      J'apprends français et il y a plusieurs de Français qui me disent ça. Cependant j'ai appris très peu de anglais, ma langue natale.

  • @LeElister64
    @LeElister64 Před 3 lety +7044

    As a French who had to learn English on the fly, I can confirm that the stress is everywhere.

    • @privatkanal6572
      @privatkanal6572 Před 3 lety +125

      this comment is a MOOD xD

    • @gutiwalravens
      @gutiwalravens Před 3 lety +83

      l'anglais est stressant je suis d'accord avec toi ;)

    • @dooplon5083
      @dooplon5083 Před 3 lety +118

      Sounds like it was quite distressing

    • @leophyte9663
      @leophyte9663 Před 3 lety +20

      *badam tsuu*

    • @bazza945
      @bazza945 Před 3 lety +64

      That happens because our British friends delight in stressing over EVERYTHING.

  • @Armistice023
    @Armistice023 Před 3 lety +2948

    “There’re going to be jump cuts”
    Me: doesn’t see any jump cuts
    Nice flex, Tom

  • @zarrouguilucas2585
    @zarrouguilucas2585 Před 2 lety +44

    French native here, been practicing English every day for a very long time. I know a ton of vocabulary, grammar, rules etc... But the one thing that I can't seem to get a grip on is THAT. The lexical stress. The different ways you pronounced "Washington" made absolutely no difference for me. I'd love to master that aspect of the English language one day.
    Great video btw, as always, thank you Tom :)

    • @vindolanda6974
      @vindolanda6974 Před rokem +7

      The 'Washingtons' were pronounced very similar to each other, as a native English speaker the difference was hard to pick up.

    • @whitekyurem4565
      @whitekyurem4565 Před 7 měsíci +4

      ​@@vindolanda6974yeah I don't think he really changed the stressed syllable properly - too used to the usual pronunciation that his brain told him to keep it more or less the same.

  • @extrawhy
    @extrawhy Před 2 lety +19

    1:17 As a learner of English as second language. I am amazed by my trained ears that they sound to me so different. I didn't expect my ears to be that trained.

  • @bobiboulon
    @bobiboulon Před 3 lety +3817

    Me, a Frenchman trying to test what's demonstrated here:
    Suddenly, brain can no longer think in French.

    • @zombie_pigdragon
      @zombie_pigdragon Před 3 lety +204

      I learned recently that this is called the "centipede's dilemma," which is cool that it has a name.

    • @bobiboulon
      @bobiboulon Před 3 lety +61

      @@zombie_pigdragon Oh, I didn't know! I'll look for some popularization video about it. ;)

    • @aztec0112
      @aztec0112 Před 3 lety +8

      @@zombie_pigdragon :OMG, this reminds me of my brilliant, but a wee bit touched son! Thanks for the insight!!

    • @targard.quantumfrack6854
      @targard.quantumfrack6854 Před 3 lety +20

      @HDStudios Il est Belge.

    • @blackmber
      @blackmber Před 3 lety +24

      J'irai par la forêt, j'irai par la montagne.
      Je ne puis demeurer loin de toi plus longtemps.
      am I helping

  • @L3X1N
    @L3X1N Před 3 lety +744

    1:32 "Stress isn't something you have to consider too much while writing,"
    Tom Scott forgot all about school, huh.

    • @blueberry1c2
      @blueberry1c2 Před 3 lety +47

      Solid mechanics homework: "depict a typical stress element"
      Me: (draws myself)

  • @p2beauchene
    @p2beauchene Před 2 lety +51

    Well said and extremely well laid out. I never thought of studying poetry rythm.
    As a native french speaker I have been conscious of my lack of sensitivity for stressing for a long time.
    Yet that is something even tens of thousands of hours of viewing and listening to english material couldn't teach me, however badly I wished it.
    The only way to learn is to mingle among natural english speakers, and slowly adjust your skills according to their reactions (or lack thereof).
    Or have a close relationship with one natural english speaker, and ask them to correct you when they feel you could do better.
    Since I can do neither right now, I shall listen to Shakespeare poetry and at last discover its wonders.

  • @GeddesHD
    @GeddesHD Před 2 lety +57

    Tom Scott: Why Shakespeare Could Never Have Been French
    Me: Because Shakespeares parents never went to France

  • @AtomicShrimp
    @AtomicShrimp Před 3 lety +13784

    Of course you have not really experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon

    • @martinebonita2658
      @martinebonita2658 Před 3 lety +223

      Oo ello. You had me wading into a pond to collect water this past quarantine

    • @glennash4606
      @glennash4606 Před 3 lety +14

      Make more Fray Bentos please

    • @kjamison5951
      @kjamison5951 Před 3 lety +269

      Qa’pla!
      King, Son of Lear. Glory be to his house!
      Two Ferengis of Veridian 3.
      Martok and Juliet.
      And Glory be to your house!

    • @GreRe9
      @GreRe9 Před 3 lety +5

      +

    • @TheSenator007
      @TheSenator007 Před 3 lety +169

      What if Shakespeare responded to scam e-mails? Imagine the typical scam where the story is that a rich guy died in a plane crash with no next of kin listed and the scammer gets the response "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."

  • @scrubware
    @scrubware Před 3 lety +424

    "Stress isn't normally something you have to consider while writing,"
    Students:

    • @toamastar
      @toamastar Před 3 lety +3

      I was thinking that too!! haha

    • @albertjackinson
      @albertjackinson Před 3 lety +8

      I'm not stressed while writing...
      Except when I have times essays. Those absolutely suck. Why do they exist?! What's the point?!

    • @iabervon
      @iabervon Před 3 lety +1

      Normally, stress is something you have to *not* consider while writing because oh god is it 4:10 already I need to turn in my paper at 5 and I don't have a conclusion or half my pages and it's terrible doesn't make a good essay.

  • @dontreadthispleaseibegyou
    @dontreadthispleaseibegyou Před 2 lety +12

    You are a legend. Not for researching this and writing this brilliant script, but for narrating this whole thing in a single shot. Wow

  • @roderickwheatley9946
    @roderickwheatley9946 Před 2 lety +9

    Lovely explanation! I did an English degree at a French university and this concept was one of the hardest things for French-speaking students to grasp.

  • @oogrooq
    @oogrooq Před 3 lety +3454

    There once was a Scott named McAmeter
    With a tool of prodigious diameter
    'Twas not his size
    That caused such suprise
    'Twas his rhythm - iambic pentameter

  • @nat040496
    @nat040496 Před 2 lety +32

    I love how Tom can take something i have zero interest in and make it interesting to the point im completely engrossed in the video

  • @poliorcetix979
    @poliorcetix979 Před 2 lety +14

    Osez l'alexandrin: douze pieds, rime riche,
    pause au mitan du vers, césure à l'hémistiche
    (De cape et de Crocs, Acte VIII)
    "Dare the alexandrin, twelve feet, rich rhymes,
    Stop in the middle, cut in the half"
    Definition of alexandrin in alexandrin said by a fierce fighter in dual with a Spanish wolf in a French comic. Deserves to be read ;)
    Thanks for the video, I never understood before why English poetry sounds so good without rhymes :)

  • @canonicallykayfabe
    @canonicallykayfabe Před 3 lety +2865

    Can I just say, as someone who requires subtitles: these subtitles are so easy to understand, and whoever made them deserves a raise

    • @crassinula
      @crassinula Před 3 lety +17

      @Spatza dude. Chill

    • @ILOVEYOUTUBE12722
      @ILOVEYOUTUBE12722 Před 3 lety +3

      @Spatza k

    • @theblinkingbrownie4654
      @theblinkingbrownie4654 Před 3 lety +28

      @UC0Kw1wDuYR3mIJARn1HCUPw ok but this doesn't the fact that no one asked, you are just annoying people, if you think you're changing people's minds then you are just wrong and that's just facts. People like you give atheists a bad name, buddy.

    • @canonicallykayfabe
      @canonicallykayfabe Před 3 lety +2

      @@Spanky2k what

    • @HelenavV_
      @HelenavV_ Před 3 lety +2

      Exactly!

  • @jackielinde7568
    @jackielinde7568 Před 3 lety +537

    Sad there were no shots of aggressive swans chasing Tom. 10/10 would watch again.

    • @Gebieter
      @Gebieter Před 3 lety +7

      I expected to see this kind of outtakes at the end as well. I am disappointed.

    • @rolandet
      @rolandet Před 3 lety +1

      😁👍

    • @LewisRawlinson30
      @LewisRawlinson30 Před 3 lety +1

      Just the one swan actually.

  • @philevans6010
    @philevans6010 Před 2 lety +3

    Tom would make an amazing teacher, in virtually any subject. I'd be captivated, as I am with all his videos.

  • @mikeychrisanthus9948
    @mikeychrisanthus9948 Před 2 lety +1

    I know this is 7 months old, but this has been probably my favourite little CZcams series in quite some time; I finished them all within a few days. Great work on this Tom.

  • @dkpsyhog
    @dkpsyhog Před 3 lety +1376

    “Some surprisingly aggressive swans” the words of someone who has never interacted with a swan before

    • @chrisbanbury
      @chrisbanbury Před 3 lety +9

      Nice limerick ;)

    • @igualnimp
      @igualnimp Před 3 lety +2

      Why would you want to interact with them?

    • @mjp121
      @mjp121 Před 3 lety +12

      Also the word of swan handlers. One can never be prepared for how aggressive swans are.

    • @silviasanchez648
      @silviasanchez648 Před 3 lety +3

      @@igualnimp Because they're there?

    • @AlphaChinoz
      @AlphaChinoz Před 3 lety +22

      @@igualnimp aggressive swans will interact with you, whether you want to or not...

  • @RuzGaming
    @RuzGaming Před 3 lety +3250

    You know it's cold when Tom is wearing more than a t-shirt.

  • @CWSmith
    @CWSmith Před 2 lety +12

    You've never truly experienced Shakespeare, until you've seen it performed in the original Klingon.
    Thank you for your videos, Tom. I almost always learn something new from them. Keep on rockin' !!

  • @niekstellingwerf5188
    @niekstellingwerf5188 Před 2 lety +1

    This was soooo well preformed. Great job

  • @cheezemonkeyeater
    @cheezemonkeyeater Před 3 lety +1662

    "Surprisingly aggressive swans."
    Only surprising if you don't know swans.

    • @mikeprice25
      @mikeprice25 Před 3 lety +63

      Maybe they were passively aggressive, which would be quite surprising.

    • @Vespuchian
      @Vespuchian Před 3 lety +26

      Swans: Geese, but after the level up.

    • @hannibalburgers477
      @hannibalburgers477 Před 3 lety +2

      A N G E R Y

    • @IONATVS
      @IONATVS Před 3 lety +7

      As TierZoo would put it, Swans have as good an intimate skill as geese, but actually have the stats to back it up and MESS YOU UP.

    • @iannoble8626
      @iannoble8626 Před 3 lety +3

      And particularly if you don't know the Stratford swans

  • @izabelacieniuch3664
    @izabelacieniuch3664 Před 3 lety +7515

    As a non-native English speaker, I have never heard how Shakespeare sounds in English and my mind is actually blown rn

    • @michas7993
      @michas7993 Před 3 lety +428

      I had a slightly different impression. This rhythm was strangely familiar to me as if I heard it somewhere before as a kid watching various english movies and it took me a while to realize that Edgar A. Poe's or Yeats poetry sound exactly the same as it's also written in iambic pentameter.

    • @stttrm
      @stttrm Před 2 lety +146

      Never liked Shakespeare and never read him in english, but had to read some in highschool and i can say that russian translations sound very similar to the original. At least in terms of rhythm. Or maybe i just remember it too bad. I said i don't like his poetry

    • @SobiTheRobot
      @SobiTheRobot Před 2 lety +291

      @@stttrm Shakespeare is better watched or performed than read.

    • @nyctotheory
      @nyctotheory Před 2 lety +188

      @@stttrm Reading it is bland, and often difficult to parse. But watch it played out by very skilled actors, and suddenly there's a lot of life and drama and/or humor there.

    • @TheImmortalSorrow
      @TheImmortalSorrow Před 2 lety +6

      @@stttrm watch The Hollow Crown

  • @KingNBubby
    @KingNBubby Před 2 lety +10

    “I’m being pestered by some surprisingly aggressive swans”
    Top 10 quotes I never knew I needed

  • @LeRainbow
    @LeRainbow Před 2 lety

    You‘re such a gift to the internet. Thank you Tom I really enjoyed this one!

  • @benjo_5
    @benjo_5 Před 3 lety +840

    This is also explains why French witches and wizards couldn't cast decent levitation spells if their lives depended on it

    • @HaloInverse
      @HaloInverse Před 3 lety +148

      "Wingardium LeviosAAAAAA".

    • @ErikNilsen1337
      @ErikNilsen1337 Před 3 lety +79

      Stop it, Ron.

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Před 3 lety +10

      The folk at Beauxbatons could not compare.

    • @dodgeman777
      @dodgeman777 Před 3 lety +22

      Makes me wonder how they translated that scene into French

    • @Cortex403
      @Cortex403 Před 3 lety +14

      The fact that, thanks to French bureaucracy, each spell must be accompanied by a form 3045-B duly signed really doesn't help...

  • @raydunakin
    @raydunakin Před 3 lety +8172

    Very interesting, and also your explanation of iambic pentameter was clear and concise.

    • @Newt.--.Jaeden
      @Newt.--.Jaeden Před 3 lety +205

      explained Iambic Pentameter better in 2 Minutes than my GCSE English Teacher did in 2 Years

    • @totaleNonale
      @totaleNonale Před 3 lety +64

      @@Newt.--.Jaeden seriously, i couldn't have told you what it means before this, bit its so simple

    • @johnwilliams3555
      @johnwilliams3555 Před 3 lety +49

      Five years of High School where it was mentioned every year and I never got it. Now I do!

    • @peter6531
      @peter6531 Před 3 lety +9

      sounds like a Grammarly ad 🤭

    • @ehehhehehehhe
      @ehehhehehehhe Před 3 lety +4

      I can finally write in iambic pentameter now

  • @nafyne
    @nafyne Před 2 lety +13

    Living in Ontario close to Quebec, I never realized the stress on the last syllable of French words… when I tried it I realized it was no different from how I speak french normally!! even before knowing that though just growing up around Québécois speaking people made me naturally accustomed to that

  • @hexaV_
    @hexaV_ Před 2 lety +12

    1:05 ah I see you've mastered Boris Johnson speech

  • @daveh7720
    @daveh7720 Před 3 lety +1706

    "... some surprisingly aggressive swans."
    There's nothing surprising about aggressive swans. They're foul-tempered killers.

    • @paxgallery6646
      @paxgallery6646 Před 3 lety +130

      *fowl-tempered

    • @Tigerdragon2
      @Tigerdragon2 Před 3 lety +27

      Maybe these swans were more aggressive than regular swans (whose standard level of aggression is 'attack')?

    • @ThreadBomb
      @ThreadBomb Před 3 lety +2

      Who do they kill? Apart from fish, that is.

    • @Ramog1000
      @Ramog1000 Před 3 lety +9

      @@Tigerdragon2 you mean their level of agression was 'nuke that pesky human!'?

    • @daveh7720
      @daveh7720 Před 3 lety +9

      @@ThreadBomb People. A guy in a city near me was attacked and drowned in a pond by a pair of swans.

  • @OmqSparklez
    @OmqSparklez Před 3 lety +2058

    Can I just say, massive appreciation for not only the fact that you're so adamant about having accurate and high quality captions, but also for how much you acknowledge the importance of captions encompassing more than the literal words spoken in a video. This video wouldn't work with the lazy way a majority of creators, and even proper television programs, caption their content, and many videos don't. Never disappointed by these. This channel is really a little spot of content where I never feel out of place or like I'm just an uncomfortable visitor in a hearing world.

    • @ShaunRuigrok
      @ShaunRuigrok Před 3 lety +53

      Tom and also Alec from Technology Connections do a fantastic job with captions

    • @NightGlyde
      @NightGlyde Před 3 lety +41

      ...just gonna rewatch the video with captions because I gotta experience this for myself. Tom is great!

    • @strehlow
      @strehlow Před 3 lety +12

      @@NightGlyde I just did the same thing.

    • @applehack97
      @applehack97 Před 3 lety +1

      3kliksphilip does it as well

    • @TheLukasDirector
      @TheLukasDirector Před 3 lety +5

      What's it like to watch a video about phonetics as a deaf person anyway? Do you understand the pronounciation stuff? Just very curious.

  • @xXjules13Xx
    @xXjules13Xx Před 2 lety +20

    When you said “the lexical stress has to land on the beat” i laughed a little bc the lexical stress of that sentence lined up perfectly

  • @hcrun
    @hcrun Před rokem +1

    Fascinating!
    I was an 'A' student in English all through my schooling and haven't even thought about the term 'iambic pentameter' in decades!🙂
    Thanks, Tom.

  • @lususnaturae3082
    @lususnaturae3082 Před 3 lety +859

    As a French person, I must say understanding and using lexical stress had to be one of the most difficult things to learn. Even now I will still forget to stress the words correctly if I don't pay attention.

    • @haeilsey
      @haeilsey Před 3 lety +76

      difficult to learn and to unlearn, the pain goes both ways. hard to keep up with spoken French when I'm subconsciously expecting the stress and pauses that aren't present

    • @PapaSMURFFS
      @PapaSMURFFS Před 3 lety +79

      Absolutely! I've always had problems and couldn't figure out why, this video completely enlightened me to why I have trouble parsing naturally spoken French compared with individual words, or written French. Like, I wish a French teacher years ago had been able to articulate this to me!

    • @klop4228
      @klop4228 Před 3 lety +41

      It goes the other way too. The number of English-speakers I've heard who can't say French words and names because they put the stress in the wrong place is frustrating to me - and I'm not even French!

    • @lukmly013
      @lukmly013 Před 3 lety +3

      Welp, I didn't even know this existed.

    • @romainsavioz5466
      @romainsavioz5466 Před 3 lety +1

      Or the th sound

  • @joy7367
    @joy7367 Před 3 lety +3471

    3:55 "but in geneRAL, French stress SITS, at the end of the utteRANCE." as a native french speaker it's funny how you suddenly sounded like French poetry

    • @AntonLFG
      @AntonLFG Před 2 lety +291

      Now that I imagine French accents in my head this makes complete sense.

    • @KrymsonScale
      @KrymsonScale Před 2 lety +52

      @@AntonLFG It really does tbh

    • @meilline3616
      @meilline3616 Před 2 lety +255

      Me, a native french speaker : Oh so that's why it's hard to speak English without sounding french !

    • @iblame_nargles
      @iblame_nargles Před 2 lety +51

      @@meilline3616 It's really obvious now that it's been pointed out! As a native English speaker, I think prefer it. Sounds nicer imho

    • @froggod6484
      @froggod6484 Před 2 lety +19

      3:50

  • @gwen8982
    @gwen8982 Před 2 lety +2

    Really interesting video! as a french person, i absolutely missed the importance of stress in Shakespeare's writing, and now i want to go back to read his poems

  • @PalKrammer
    @PalKrammer Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent! As someone who loves languages, words, and different cultures, I found this new and fascinating.

  • @hanneselsen5282
    @hanneselsen5282 Před 3 lety +411

    Your script is just sooo amazingly well-written. "The lexical stress has to land on the beat" is a nice little Limerick, and "So why does Shakespeare sound like Shakespeare" is iambic in itself, right before you introduce the word "iambic". This is just too good. Great work!

    • @bobbymoretti
      @bobbymoretti Před 3 lety +16

      "Two words that make a fancy way to say"
      "Stress every other syllable, in pairs"
      "With five such pairs in every line you write"
      all in iambic pentameter.

    • @joeybeauvais-feisthauer3137
      @joeybeauvais-feisthauer3137 Před 3 lety +10

      Also the alexandrine explanation was in alexandrine: "Twelve syllables per line, broken into two parts; and it should also rhyme, stress the end of each half."

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Před 3 lety

      The best poems are the subtle ones like this.

  • @nraynaud
    @nraynaud Před 3 lety +555

    As a Frenchman, my time in the US was very hard because I couldn't put my emphasis in the right places, and people could not understand me.

    • @zaidabraham7310
      @zaidabraham7310 Před 3 lety +59

      Pardon?

    • @robn2171
      @robn2171 Před 3 lety +5

      A la... French fry perhaps?

    • @haeilsey
      @haeilsey Před 3 lety +77

      I have trouble following along with standard French speech for the same reason! the lack of pauses and regular stress makes speaking come across as too fast. it's a bit easier actually to understand Southern and Swiss dialects because they don't use quite the same stress patterns

    • @loeftk1030
      @loeftk1030 Před 3 lety +19

      @@haeilsey Never talk to Northern french people then, or you will enter a world of pain and confusion

    • @evilspoons
      @evilspoons Před 3 lety +25

      @@haeilsey I'm attempting to learn French (just on an app, picking it up again after having several years in junior high and high school mostly forgotten from 20 years ago). The synthetic voice has exactly this problem for me - it's really damn fast and hard to pick words apart until you know exactly which ones are which!

  • @ncsmith1952
    @ncsmith1952 Před 2 lety

    The rhythm of your explanation was great!

  • @maxmcclelland1119
    @maxmcclelland1119 Před 2 lety +4

    I like how the parts explaining different poetry forms are (mostly) written in those forms.

  • @lucasm.3864
    @lucasm.3864 Před 3 lety +214

    “Surprisingly aggressive swans”
    So... regular swans?

  • @charlie_et_ses_folies
    @charlie_et_ses_folies Před 3 lety +408

    Hi, as a French person I want to thank you for this. I've studied Shakespeare in English class and in French class, and to be honest, no one was as good as you to explain this concept. So thank you !
    Also, you trying to sound French and then speaking as an English person made me realize the difference

  • @WilburJaywright
    @WilburJaywright Před 2 lety

    Near the end of the episode, I was looking at the way you emphasize things. It’s amazing how relevant that is to style.

  • @ditto1958
    @ditto1958 Před 11 měsíci

    This was surprisingly interesting. Well done!!

  • @MaxArceus
    @MaxArceus Před 3 lety +373

    Tom: "This is not going to be 1 take"
    The video: *is one take*

  • @Jlipper
    @Jlipper Před 3 lety +1674

    Swans are like:
    “Holy heck, is that Tom Scott?”
    “Let’s go and ask for his autograph!”
    Tom:
    “I’m being pestered by some annoying Swans.”

    • @andymac4883
      @andymac4883 Před 3 lety +12

      Swans: :c

    • @maighstir3003
      @maighstir3003 Před 3 lety +5

      Swooning swans? Swans swoon? Swan swoons? That last one sounds better, but there are multiple swans... Hmm...

    • @hasanmuhammad6651
      @hasanmuhammad6651 Před 3 lety

      (ಥ_ಥ)

    • @faizfrez2729
      @faizfrez2729 Před 3 lety +1

      They might even be real people but Tom didn't want to upset us

    • @benepic3101
      @benepic3101 Před 3 lety +2

      Swans is two letters away from fans

  • @catlinstark6557
    @catlinstark6557 Před 2 lety +16

    This was really cool! I had to write limericks and Shakespearean poems in iambic pentameter in high school and it was quite a challenge. I've also had to translate poems for my French classes and they never sound as good!

    • @znahejebe4063
      @znahejebe4063 Před 2 lety

      The teacher that made you translate them is stupid.

  • @IustinPop
    @IustinPop Před 2 lety

    CZcams randomly recommended this to me, and oh my, it was the most interesting "random suggestion" it gave me in recent memory. Thanks!

  • @HedeccaTamer
    @HedeccaTamer Před 2 lety +5321

    "The feeling and sound of a limerick, relies on the lexical stress"
    Very correct, my utmost respect
    But I wish you were wearing a dress

    • @witherblaze
      @witherblaze Před 2 lety +85

      Limerick doesn't rhyme with stress nor dress

    • @RainCarr06
      @RainCarr06 Před 2 lety +375

      @@witherblaze they gave it a good shot though, I say well done

    • @NetRolller3D
      @NetRolller3D Před 2 lety +200

      @@witherblaze it's a limemorty

    • @Ken_neThT
      @Ken_neThT Před 2 lety +64

      @@witherblaze limerick rhymes with lexical because of the Ls, relies and stress rhyme because of the Ss

    • @RegularTetragon
      @RegularTetragon Před 2 lety +136

      Femboy Tom Scott

  • @eldrago19
    @eldrago19 Před 3 lety +307

    "It's two degrees above freezing and I'm being being pestered ocationally by surprisingly aggressive swans."
    Welcome to the great British outdoors.

    • @bazza945
      @bazza945 Před 3 lety +20

      They are protected by The Queen, and they know it.

    • @samuelaubrey481
      @samuelaubrey481 Před 3 lety

      Until they get pissed on at 2 am by a drunk 18 y/o ;)

    • @AngryKittens
      @AngryKittens Před 3 lety +1

      Such savage wilderness.

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 Před 3 lety +4

      Replace "two degrees above freezing" with "two degrees below 0 f°" and "aggressive swans" with "agressive geese" and you have just described my entire life in one sentence.

    • @ikbintom
      @ikbintom Před 3 lety

      Being being

  • @oli073
    @oli073 Před 2 lety

    Tom, mate! What brilliant content.

  • @Minimax04
    @Minimax04 Před 2 lety

    The algorithm did well today. I’m now subscribed to this ridiculously interesting and knowledgeable chap!

  • @JemaKnight
    @JemaKnight Před 3 lety +195

    "surprisingly aggressive swans"
    Either you've never come into contact with a swan before, or they're literally trying to kill you.

  • @Lleldorellin
    @Lleldorellin Před 3 lety +2458

    As a french person, I can confirm that every exemple of limerick that Tom gave that was supposed to "not sound right" sounded perfectly right to me...

    • @pierre1080p
      @pierre1080p Před 3 lety +39

      Same !

    • @lawrencesmeaton6930
      @lawrencesmeaton6930 Před 3 lety +196

      They sound extremely jarring and 'wrong' to my scottish ears. What a funny world.

    • @targard.quantumfrack6854
      @targard.quantumfrack6854 Před 3 lety +89

      @@lawrencesmeaton6930 I'm french (Breton actually) and recently watched the 3 Stargate shows. In SG Atlantis, there is Dr. Carson Beckett, a Scottish. I loved his strong accent but oh boy I had difficulties to understand sometime. I'll pay you Scotts a visit please save me some haggis and don't take offense if I ask you to repeat ;).

    • @randlog
      @randlog Před 3 lety +9

      I even had to search what exactly is a limerick...

    • @MonkeyDAmy
      @MonkeyDAmy Před 3 lety +8

      @@targard.quantumfrack6854 whooop Bretagne ! I watched all 5 seasons of Outlander and their Scottish accent was music to my ears. I absolutely love it. 🥰🙌🏽

  • @ohnopatrol1222
    @ohnopatrol1222 Před 11 měsíci

    Love these videos this was so interesting

  • @eyelessghosttv9203
    @eyelessghosttv9203 Před 2 lety

    I wish we had something like this in School. Just your short Video with surface information about english poetry rly made me to learn more about this topic.

  • @Mikey-rn1hb
    @Mikey-rn1hb Před 3 lety +259

    ”Stress isn't something you are normally concerned to much while writing"
    Me, being extremely stressed due to the deadline of my exam I am currently writing on...😰

  • @khj5582
    @khj5582 Před 3 lety +343

    Throughout the entire video I kept waiting for him to be attacked by swans.

    • @xp8969
      @xp8969 Před 3 lety +8

      @Rita - F**UĆК МЕ ! you misspelled xp

    • @xp8969
      @xp8969 Před 3 lety +10

      And more importantly I told you not to call me here

    • @nitehawk86
      @nitehawk86 Před 3 lety

      Or to have a jump cut. Neither of which happened.

    • @joshuan.
      @joshuan. Před 3 lety

      Same

  • @travisscottburger9206
    @travisscottburger9206 Před 2 lety

    great stuff, Tom!

  • @hyppocampe5377
    @hyppocampe5377 Před 2 lety

    As a french english learner this video is really helpful because I had'nt realised there was such thing as a lexical stress before. I'm going to keep that in mind thanks for the advice

  • @AFN2750
    @AFN2750 Před 3 lety +234

    “Some surprisingly aggressive swans” is so aggressively British

  • @sanapadsense7134
    @sanapadsense7134 Před 3 lety +644

    Me as a simple Frenchman : English are too stressed, they have to learn to relax.

    • @graemetang4173
      @graemetang4173 Před 2 lety +39

      english are too STRESSED, they 'ave to learn to reLAX

    • @Suite_annamite
      @Suite_annamite Před 2 lety +40

      @@graemetang4173 engLISH (h')ar tout STRESSED, zey 'AV to LEARN 'ow to be reLAXED.

    • @10gamer64
      @10gamer64 Před 2 lety +2

      Hey at least it isn't Russian

    • @citizenstranger
      @citizenstranger Před 2 lety +2

      my boss is french and shes the least relaxed person i know, so...

  • @DevNode27
    @DevNode27 Před 2 lety

    Yoooo I've been listening to Lingthusiasm for a class! It's cool seeing their work elsewhere as well

  • @dadity9142
    @dadity9142 Před 2 lety +1

    I've heard of iambic pentameter before and have looked it up numerous times trying to understand it, but I guess all I needed was someone voicing it out for me to finally understand it, thank you

  • @TheRaymanFan
    @TheRaymanFan Před 3 lety +138

    "im being pestered by some surprisingly aggressive swans"
    *swans approaching menacingly in the background*

  • @nwahally
    @nwahally Před 3 lety +1164

    'I'm being pestered occasionally by some surprisingly aggressive swans.'
    Oh you sweet summer child.

  • @RocknRollSongbook
    @RocknRollSongbook Před 2 lety

    Fascinating stuff!

  • @tenlongfingers70
    @tenlongfingers70 Před 2 lety +1

    I have never understood iambic pentameter until you put it visually like that, that was so helpful

  • @JonHaugaard
    @JonHaugaard Před 3 lety +332

    As someone who is a middle-school ESL-teacher who also teaches a French student English on the side, this was incredibly helpful. A lot of her pronunciations makes so much more sense to me now. Thank you, Tom.

    • @amjan
      @amjan Před 3 lety +8

      You better Google: stress timed and syllable timed languages.

  • @danpuchalla6959
    @danpuchalla6959 Před 3 lety +314

    "Surprisingly aggressive swans"? In the words of David Mitchell, "That's what they DO! They break your arm, and then the queen eats them."

    • @illiath4438
      @illiath4438 Před 3 lety +29

      I never understood this... I don't think I've ever heard of the Queen eating peoples arms...

    • @563spaceman
      @563spaceman Před 3 lety +1

      @@illiath4438 You're right, it just sounds plain silly

    • @mmw4990
      @mmw4990 Před 3 lety +8

      @@illiath4438 the queen owns all of the swans in the UK so it's insinuating that they're her little army doing her bidding

    • @andrewhickman-moore7646
      @andrewhickman-moore7646 Před 3 lety

      I never understood why people think swans can break your arm, birds famously have bones that are weak to that kind of force, I guess it’s just something people tell kids so they don’t get too close

    • @563spaceman
      @563spaceman Před 3 lety

      @@andrewhickman-moore7646 Once again true, this comedian guy really has no clue what he's talking about smh

  • @dambicknell
    @dambicknell Před 2 lety

    Video looks great out on location!

  • @user-ov1mn8zg3e
    @user-ov1mn8zg3e Před rokem

    this is actually taught me some stuff i can use for rapping. love it!

  • @MoonSt0n3
    @MoonSt0n3 Před 3 lety +319

    As a french person, this makes sense. The same way, you couldn't translate Baudelaire into english! Culture always has limits set by language

    • @Thomas...191
      @Thomas...191 Před 3 lety +19

      It makes me want to learn languages just to read some more classics in their native tongue.. read some Madame Bovary perhaps.. or better still learn Russian! But alas I'm an incurable monolingual moose.

    • @hoseasylvester2596
      @hoseasylvester2596 Před 3 lety +3

      What is the closest thing to Baudelaire in English

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Před 3 lety +12

      @@hoseasylvester2596 Baudelaire was Edgar Allan Poe's translator in French, so I guess Poe?

    • @TomorrowWeLive
      @TomorrowWeLive Před 3 lety +4

      @@Thomas...191 I feel the same way. I love reading so much and I wish I could learn all the world's languages so as to immerse myself in all the world's literatures (because translated novels unfortunately almost always suck). But I don't even have time to read all the great English novels I want to read.

    • @MoonSt0n3
      @MoonSt0n3 Před 3 lety +1

      @@hoseasylvester2596 I'd love to answer but I don't actually know sadly!

  • @lethe56
    @lethe56 Před 3 lety +864

    Funnily enough, the most celebrated French translator of the most celebrated English poet, Bill Shakespeare, is none other than the son of the most celebrated French poet, François-Victor Hugo.

    • @talhaj9891
      @talhaj9891 Před 3 lety +29

      Billy?

    • @lethe56
      @lethe56 Před 3 lety +20

      @@talhaj9891 Timmy? Is that you?

    • @talhaj9891
      @talhaj9891 Před 3 lety +14

      @@lethe56 Yes! Can't believe it's actually you!

    • @lethe56
      @lethe56 Před 3 lety +18

      @@talhaj9891 Wait till I tell mother! I found my long lost brother!

    • @talhaj9891
      @talhaj9891 Před 3 lety +14

      @@lethe56 I can't control my tears right now.

  • @thefallenchaoskeeper
    @thefallenchaoskeeper Před 2 lety

    …I did not know how much I needed this. Thanks.

  • @noellenorris2590
    @noellenorris2590 Před 2 lety

    This is a comfy and educational video. Thank you ☺️