How to Drift a Ford Mustang S550 | The S550 Mustang Drift Bible
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2023
- How to Drift a S550 Mustang
In this video I share with all of you the techniques and things I learned drifting my 2017 Mustang these past two years. Hopefully this video can help most of you who may be attempting to drift your S550 mustang have an easier time driving the car.
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I noticed right out of the box my 18 s550 did not pull the steering back on a drifting. It’s not the best for drifting. But like he said her used to staying on throttle more than you’d normally would. And get ready to slap that steering wheel. Out of all cars I’ve drifted, the 91 camaro was the easiest to drift for me.
Nice man you should make videos of you drifting it. Yeah the stang takes different techniques to drift it properly
Just another quick tip that instead of pulling handbrake at the moment of transition you can stab the clutch and let the tires grip more as the transition happens so it doesn’t snap as hard but you don’t lose wheel speed on transition like you would with handbrake, this can help keep tighter gaps on tandem
Yessir appreciate the tip man. I actually used that technique in my most recent video. I’ve definitely learned even more about this car since I posted this video. I have to do an update eventually.
Finna drift my mach1
Oh snap, have fun man, record if you can
@@tagallstar I for sure will loll
@@mr.savagebanana3284 i definitely want to see
Mate, this is a brilliant video!
Thank you for all the explanations, it was driving me crazy that I always spin at transition, meanwhile with the BMW (E36) I had no such issues.
Also the lack of self-steering is very hard to get used to after the BMW.
But your video with all the detailed explanations why this is happening is priceless!
Much appreciated! 🤩
Thank you, For the kind words. And that’s exactly why I put this video together so that everyone doesn’t have to struggle drifting the S550. It’s a fun car just a very different car than the usual drift cars we see. I hope you can have fun and continue shredding. I’ll have an update video up eventually and the next couple months or so
WoW man you got really good with it now, from the first video you did, very happy for you, I hope I can continue this year to keep practicing, last year I was spinning out in transitions, and just like you say on this video, I have to keep in mind this tips for next time.
Thanks man I really appreciate that, and this is just the beginning. Awesome man keep at it man i would definitely like to see a video of you drifting
@@tagallstar here is me practicing in a lot, learning the car: czcams.com/video/D48hlyr_gR4/video.htmlsi=wezvxtHIQgsgM3MH
@@snakes5506 broooo you’re looking solid, thats a really great setup to practice on. I subbed I’ll definitely be tuning in
@@tagallstar Thanks man, that was in Puerto Rico, I just moved to FL last year, and I will continue to practice here in OSW.
@@snakes5506 yesssir bout to throw down man
Really helpful video helping decide if i want to go this route or not, definitely seems better to get a manual rack with no electric help as it seems harder and less predictable but you manage it well! again great video
Thank you and thanks for watching. Yeah these cars can be a handful but I’m learning what it takes to drive it comfortably. This chassis has tremendous potential tho. On top of that the chassis naturally produces a lot of grip while being agile
@@tagallstar np I subbed aswell, I just starting learning. Tried in a 2013 mustang with the same type steering and didn’t really like it compared to manual feeling of sim drifting, ended up bumping into a hay bale. Decent amount of damage fender/bumper/headlight so I’m thinking of instead for a drift car doing a sn95 swap to a classic mustang 60s/early70s as they could handle the odd bump with less crumpling 😅 just an idea for now though so many options for drift cars, I’ll keep up with your videos as I loved the explanations you gave while drifting. Great tutorial
@@HaighterCustoms I really appreciate that man. True there are a lot of options. I like the challenge of driving this car because honestly if you can conquer these cars that have a lack of self steer you can drift just about anything because it teaches you adaptability. And I also like how aggressive the car is and it rewards aggressive driving. I’ve drifted my friends 350z around the time when I was finally starting to put my sim driving skills into real life and honestly Z’s have to be the easiest starter drift car. In my opinion. They are soooo good and any out of the box. Z’s are a cheat code. Lol here I am drifting a big mustang. I guess I gotta stand out some how
@@HaighterCustoms check out my latest video. I seriously figured out how to drive the stang like I’m playing the sim. I’ll probably make an update tutorial at some point to point out what else I’ve learned
The 370Z is actually back to a single lower control arm. The dual pivot has its own issues, like engineering complexity and steering bind especially with solid joints. The reason OEMs use it is to dial in a lot of antidive and to control the scrub and trail as desired during steering, not due to the kinematic curves per-se.
Niiice, thanks for the information bro🔥🔥🔥
@@tagallstar I forgot the *reason* for the dual joint: because single joint setups generally would intersect the brake disc for similar curves. So it's a packaging reason.
You can get a higher negative scrub radius and steering axis inclination without packaging your strut more inwards. This isn't highly beneficial for performance cars, though, as they generally benefit from positive scrub radius, which is probably why Nissan switched.
I don't really know why Nissan went for a dual joint setup on the 350Z, though. I guess for similar reasons, because it has an upper control arm but it's attached to a swan neck so you run into similar packaging constraints as struts. You need a given arm length which realistically means you will end up mounting the UCA more onboard than ideal for SAI, which can make scrub radius too positive in some designs, as the lower balljoint position is restricted by the brake disc as mentioned earlier.
I'm watching these videos because I made a simulation model of a S550 GT, but it understeers pretty badly. Nothing should be too wrong. Is it so understeery that it typically won't let go in the higher RPMs in 2nd without a flick or something?
@@ArchOfficial nice are you developing something for the S550??? No, I was really choppy with the throttle in those videos to avoid hitting the rev limiter too much. These cars actually have a lot of front grip. So, much so that with stock angle the massive amount of front grip can cause you to spin out when you are close to full lock. Also I need to do an update because I found out some tire size solutions that can greatly change how the car behaves. In my analysis for the drift bible video I had previously drifted the car with 285’s on the rear which gripped the car up to much. Therefore I had to be on throttle most of the time. But the last few times I drove I had smaller tires on the car like 245’s and 225’s on the front and was able to apply some of my advanced techniques when I drove the car.
@@tagallstar I'm just making a sim model for Assetto Corsa. Maybe develop it into a driftcar later. RTR already has their guy making physics for their car, but you never know when it might come in handy professionally.
I really don't think stock GTs have "a lot" of front grip. The inner front tire lifts way up due to the ARB balance split. I suspected I just have the tube thickness wrong, but it adds up to reported masses, so I don't know. It'd need to be so thin it would buckle in order to get good balance.
They do like to spin at lock but I'm talking more about when the rears aren't slipping past the limit already.
@@ArchOfficial oh I see what you were asking. No, the car cuts loose pretty easily. Its snap oversteer prone if you’re not careful. Honestly, to get it to cut loose even at the top of 2nd depends on the driver. You can power over and floor it and the car will oversteer. I personally like the car to snap to angle so I always clutch kick or flick into the first corner. Also due to the caster and standard camber setting the car does get a decent amount of weight jacking in the front as you drift the car. Sweet I like to try your mod whenever you get it finished.
If you ever get chance to try a S650 would love to hear you impressions from that too. Also about the on-throttle transitions, from little bit i know that is oddly similar to a lot of old MR cars (few FRs too like S2000 if stock, C4-C5 Vettes) despite the drastically different weight distribution. Leaves me wondering what rear roll center might be like, as its possible that is partly whats playing into that effect where too much lift off gets too snappy very very quickly. Possibly it could also be excess lock in the differential on decel, could also be partly due to damping but other two and adjustments from them usually make stand changes the most. If its pretty instant then i'd guess geometry ala rear roll center or something similar, if its like a somewhat delayed effect then could be the diff, not sure just from little i know. Also explains why so many people completely LOSE these cars doing burnouts away from their favorite drive through, most people are not prepared for full lift-off being inherently bad. Right here you practically sherlock holmes'd the mystery of the crowd slaughtering mustang menace 😅
😂😂😂I like that Sherlock holm’d. I definitely plan on trying a S650 and corvettes one day. And I’m sure your theories about the diff is correct, because some people recommended putting a spool in the car to make it more predictable. But imma leave my car mostly stock. I believe the unpredictability in the rear comes from the soft bushings. The rear subframe has a lot of deflection in the rear unless you add the steeda braces. I’ve done some skids in my friends 700hp S550, that has the rear braces and bushing lockouts/arms, and it feels predictable/planted. Hopefully my discoveries will help save some lives and bank accounts. Also this car has the same wheelbase as a e46. It also has very similar suspension geometry as the F80/G80 bmws so that might also be why its so snappy
@@tagallstar fantastic info, thanks 👍
@@Ottobon you’re welcome
I haven't done kinematic analysis of the rear (Pretty sure SHARK will crash 1000 times before I manage to make a template for it) and I don't know exactly how the integral link affects it, but based on the suspension arm angles, I'd say the rear roll center is quite high and antisquat/lift is quite high.
Ford's design pictures for the rear appear to have it compressed 40mm or so (Fuel, occupants, trunk, I would guess), and it's still at a fairly "normal looking" position.
@@tagallstar The front is similar to E8X/E9X/F8X etc. but the rear isn't. My sim model with no elastokinematics whatsoever is still just as snappy, so it's just how the car is.
How easy is it to snap around the oposite direction while countersteering? Im looking at getting a 2024 mustang gt and i dont wanna end up pulling the classic mustang and putting it in a ditch, and what about just doing a rolling burnout from stand still? Is it easy to lose control then also? I used to do rolling burnouts up to 70mph all the time in my jag with no issue.
As long as you turn off the safeties properly and take some time to learn how the car reacts to steering input. You’ll be fine. Practice is the key. Don’t go full send if you haven’t learned how to drive the car. Its agile and can cut loose anytime if you are not prepared.
Now I’m second guessing getting one to drift
Lol why, every car has a learning curve, including s-chassis’s, miatas, Z’s, supra’s. Each one requires different driving techniques and setups
Thanks for subscribing btw🔥🔥🔥
@@tagallstar I understand each car would have a learning curve but after logging 1000+ hours on assetto on a dd wheel that selfs steers anything going backwards is gonna throw me off
@@DJKIDWU Nothing wrong with that, all it does is give you adaptability. If you look at the FD drivers, most of them use the techniques I talked about in this video, in the car’s that have great self steer. The techniques are situational and universal so just do what feels best to you.
What size tires are you on?
245/40r19 or r18 in the front
245/40r19 or r18 in the rear
255/40r19 or r18 in the rear
265/40r19 or r18 in the rear
For that comp I had to run 235’s or 245’s
@@tagallstar thanks for the all the great info man. Absolutely love hearing your impressions of the chassis and it’s behaviors. Also such killer driving
@@justintimelord5435 thank you. Thanks for watching, I love sharing knowledge with everyone. Get more people out there shredding
your car its stock ??
Mostly small mods, steering rack spacers, lowering springs, x-pipe, thats about it
@@tagallstar so the stock mustangs can drift without any mods as will as the bmws or camaros????
@@reveng2331 yes any rear wheel drive car with a limited slip differential or a welded differential can drift stock or modded
@@tagallstar cool bro tnx
@@reveng2331 np man what do you plan on drifting??