let's talk about... blackpink (kpop)
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- this video is focused on blackpink as a COMMERCIAL PRODUCT of YG- a lot of the topics discussed are a result of systemic structures. Tour mess, problematic lyrics, body standards, fake views... (?) is blackpink OVERrated
(yes, I still listen to & follow them)
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To address some of the comments: “I have... double standards”
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Again- this is to explore different perspectives on the group as a commercial LABEL and CONCEPT of YG, not on the girls. No right answer, do you think blackpink is overrated?
Yes.
Yes
i don't think they are overrated but def overhyped
Yes
@@vizzinyy I agree but I still absolutely love blackpink
"Pretty isn't everything" what an ironical sentence from YG when we know BP was supposed to be like "2NE1 but prettier" 🙄.
True lmao
The whole industry is sadly based on visuals, not just blackpink. Same about pop music in the west.
The double standard is insane cuz when a male idol haft naked on stage yall go crazy but yall draw a line for a female idol just for twerking and being confident onstage??
When a female idol do some twerk in their choreo wear sexy clothes its attrackting men, but when male idol is top less, grind on stage its sexy and hot?
The double standard🤮
You got groups like twice showing cleavage for their most male audience in japan but no said it's for "male gaze" you got newjeans which are minors singing about their "cookie"
the double standards when it comes to blackpink are insane 😭
right like she’s do dumb😭
I think they are definitely overrated, but talented young women nonetheless. Also (I could be wrong), I think the line "born skinny b*tch" refers to Lisa being consistently skinny-shamed and embracing it rather than letting the haters get the better of her.
This line is not the toxic one in the whole song. I also said that it must be a song for haters when listening to this part but then when the song continued and they started singing how they are prettier than other girls who dress like them- that's the toxic,misgonetic part of the song. After the song was released the many fans used it to attack other female idols or use it as empowerment when it's so far away from that. What's empowering about tearing ppl down so that you can seem above them?
@@MM-by3vi they actually didn't say they were prettier than other girls that wore the same thing. They didn't mention girls at all. Get correct sources. Blackpink may as well be referring to the many male idols that were spotted in the same outfits as them because I can name a couple that were. Eg: Jennie's white Chanel sweater, multiple celine outfits that Lisa has worn were worn shortly after by male idols (eg: that white red and blue cardigan, the brown bomber jacket, the green bomber jacket)
@@MM-by3vi how is it misogynistic when even they didn't mention females?
Holy shit, they literally talked about people copying them, didn't use a single pronoun. But yall call it misogynistic. Ass head, no pronoun was used, that song also explicitly called the men jennie is rumored to be with as fuck boys. So now the song is misandyrist because it talks about badly about some men. Pretty savage was never used tho hate on other idols, lies once again.
you mentioning Rosie's weight loss as unnatural, made me remember, those particular days, Rosé was pissed as fuck in a live, when she was constantly facing body shaming comments like " Eat more, why are you so skinny?
She mentioned how she's facing problems at gaining weight, and most importantly " not all bodies are same, I'm trying to gain weight, it's way more difficult for me". Speculation over their bodies is not great, lisa also addressed in a recent video, on bpm that she loses weight immensely on touring, and is still trying to gain weight. Weight has been a sensitive matter for blackpink, 2 members are bashed for being skinny, 2 are for being fat. Something they've struggled with is being used as means to speculate over them possibly starving themselves over standards just hurts.
Why would anyone care about "the male gaze" when most of their fans are women😐💀
about the pink venom "stealing" i thought it was some sort of honorary sampling? im confused i thought all that was cleared up
It was interpolation. I'm shocked at how little research that takes to get to that and yet the CZcamsr couldn't do that.
So when other ggs shake ass it's fine? Like what
The constant dogpiling of this group is getting a bit ridiculous. Every day there are numerous uploads of people hating on them veiled under the guise of “criticism”… if we are gonna discuss this topic, it should be about ALL GIRL GROUPS and how the k-pop industry is set up as a disservice to women. The way misogyny is seemingly okay when it comes to them is crazy. Then to ask if “they are overrated” just goes to show your intentions were not from a genuine place. I am so over you people. They’re not bothering anyone and keep to themselves 80% of the time.
THIS! I'm literally sick of it it's like they're the only kpop gg out there it's not their fault for being popular
I thought Blackpink means that as a woman you can also be tough and vulnerable even messy. It’s a contrast. not that ‘pretty isn’t everything’..
I think several points here are more of a systemic problem with kpop and how women are viewed in such an exploitative industry as it is (there is a reason why blackpink's company literally won't let them write their own songs) It is a root problem with the kpop industry, which is more reflected in blackpink or other groups
there are tons of girl groups in the kpop industry that get to write their own music and participate in lyrics these days, id say it's a yg issue. he wants to be in full control of their concept and releases. if im not wrong even teddy, their main producer, has spoken about this before. yg is a hell of a misogynist.
@@doraaaa0613YG and jyp...
And SM except SM mistreates both bgs and ggs equally...
And hybe...?
Tbh I think they are not even interested in producing or writing music. They are not strictly forbidden from putting input in their songs. Listen to their interviews. Every time somebody asks them about the song formation process, they always say " Well we would be sitting together and teddy would show us the song and we all would be like yeah, so cool. Let's go with it." They have even said that Teddy and the production teams asks for their input because it is they who have to perform so they should be comfortable with the song but they never put in any contribution. They are fine with whatever song comes in.
It’s okay to dislike blackpink but to say that the sexualization over the nurse scene is her (jen) and the stylist fault is insane to me, considering she only wore it for a damn scene, not even for dance or film more scenes with it, like that’s all. Also, I didn’t knew that shake my ass in a performance was a sort of bad thing or that I was contributing to the male gaze.. which is actually crazy to think about as, dance is a form of expression which not necessarily mean u want male validation or male attention… like this opinion is just kinda weird and misogynistic cause they’re just girls dancing I mean… I don’t think they’re even trying to attract the male public with their choreos. if u think they’re overrated that’s fine but I think that if u are gonna make a video abt women and systemic issues cause u are mentioning them, u should a do it from a neutral POV or at least do more research abt the topic and the gender issues specifically in kpop. Or at least consider other perspectives from women that gets positive energy and strength from blackpink music to continue their studies, their dreams, or just to have a good moment etc. For me this is more like a hate video that shows your ignorance and bias pov cause the original title was “blackpink is overrated” and you’re not a kpop gossip channel I think…….
OH and i forgot to mention but they did not “steal” from other artists it’s called sampling……
unpopular opinion: they aren't well rescpected by many comunities on social media and hugely overhated
THIS
Never have i seen someone sexualize BP the way non fans do. And it’s not just sexualizing, it’s sexual harassment. they’re accused of sleeping around for their views and streams, that they “please” their male audiences. Which is very minute btw, since ggs with girl crush concepts have predominantly female fans and blackpink is not an exception. Their choreography, looks, and other things being sexualized like how they are in this video. “The male gaze” like ew… If anything this goes beyond just not liking their music, it’s violent sexual harassment and misogyny if you point things out like that. It’s incessant and just exhausting and as a woman, hurts me a little every time I see something like that. I hope those women don’t see how they’re being talked about like this, it must be debilitating for their mental state.
I loved the video, but I hardly disagree with the part where they automatically dress for the male gaze just because of short skirts, fishnet thights etc. Why can we not dress sexy for ourselves? It gives off the whole they're asking for it vibe. I agree with the dance moves being provocative however I think that many idols and singers in general do this. Not just kpop idols, it's just not as commonly seen in the kpop space as in western media. While I'm a blink I do think that the biggest problem blackpink has in that people as a whole just see black and white with them. We spend so much time putting idols/ famous people on a pedestal that we forget about the grey area of things. I also believe yg makes things worse for them by not speaking up. I would love to see a video about idols that are actually change the industry like Yunjin or Soyeon.
Everytime that any of the blackpink girls wear something revealing they are slutshamed to the high heavens, I fail to understand how this is acceptable. The girls wear what they want for themselves, they dance on stage for themselves and no one else. This video feels like such a "what girls should or shouldn't be" video. I accept that there are points of substance and fair criticism but there is such an icky undertone of it.
I'm not a fan or a hater. Just today I was talking with a friend about this topic, it's curious!
The fandom is pretty toxic, so I never expected someone to talk about this, and finally someone has the brave to discuss the topic.
We're gonna protect you girl.
Maybe black pink will see this and change to be better 🤷🏻♀️ and listen to what the fans actually want as entertainers. 🤷🏻♀️
literally nobody is here lmao
Yup agreed these toxic fans should be ashamed to call themselves blinks because indirectly they cause blackpink trouble
agreed
You can literally not listen to their music. They are the most hated k-pop group. Making videos about them gets a lot of views.
Blackpink are literally grown ass women, why the hell is a problem if they wear shorts? Crop tops? Short outfits? Y’all wanting women to wear longer clothes gives off misogynistic energy
Blackpink isn’t exactly overrated but definitely overhyped.
not the male gaze thing girl 🫣🫣 women can't do anything without people saying they do it for the male attention,, also most of their fans are girls and gays
make videos about kpop boygroups too not just for the WOMEN in kpop
+ anyways blackpink will ALWAYS be the biggest girl group in the whole world and they are really THE REVOLUTION. some can hate blackpink, some can love blackpink but everyone KNOWS blackpink and that's mothers right there
I think being Blackpink is fucking exhausting. Because when I go on the internet, I find people who review them every day. Why isn't there more artists or bands in the world? leave them alone We don't need to direct anyone's thoughts. And if you don't know, Pink vanom is an homage to hip hop and they released in hip hop's inception anniversary month.
To me, pink venom wasn't stealing to other songs, that's referring to, by stealing ypu may get plagiarized and that's not trure since there are only few phrases and you can easily recognize em 😭
Also since you know rappers
Hey just fyi I think you meant rappers
@@Ash-xt1ej fixed, thx
The conversation around Type Girl and it’s being a “pick me” song will never not make me question somebody comprehension skills. How do y’all hear lyrics like “I bring money to the table not your dinner” “ type to make you love me when the only thing you’ve done is like” and think “this is a pick me song 🧐” that’s literally not what they’re saying AT ALL. They’re basically saying that they know their worth in a relationship and they’re confident woman, hence the “you can check my stats, got everybody eye and I run them laps around everybody minds”. It’s also just weird how y’all are making it seem like somebody being confident in themselves is a bad quality to have, when it a great thing to have in a significant other. I feel like a lot of you have never been in a relationship and that’s why you can’t understand the viewpoint of this song.
Tbh I would make mistakes too if I had to perform for about 2h and sing at the same time. I‘m a professional dancer and sometimes it‘s just not your day, don‘t forget that these clips that we see are also edited together. I actually don‘t mind if they make mistakes it makes them more „normal“. We put so much pressure on celebrities (not just blackpink) to be perfect which can not be healthy.
it's not really about expecting them being perfect and not human. all stans just expected the bare minimum that idols should fuckin do and that's their literal job: sing, dance and performe. if u just put that situation in office let's say, u wouldn't say the same. u should do ur work and u should do it even fuckin better when people payed their money to see u finally doing ur job after 2 year of not doing any shit and when that's fucked up, audiences are allowed to complain and they have full right to do so. and these are genuine complaints and outrage rather than hate
@@farkhodovakamila7 yeah um those clips are about 4 seconds each and all from the same 3 first shows and all taken out of 2 hr sets. The point is moot. Additionally I can easily find similar or worse clips from any other group, full compilations even, that no one cares about because they are said to be 'cute' and 'endearing'. Being selective will not help your argument.
Edit: additionally I have found it is extremely hard to find any actual concertgoers who complained! Would you look at that. This whole uproar has been entirely created and curated by online kpop fans who took specific clips from fancams. There is a reason why the same 4 clips are being regurgitated. I have looked through videos, IG posts, Twitter posts etc on almost every night of the tour stops to gauge people's reactions, from actual fans to locals, and the only thing I found was an army who went purposefully to the concert to stage a video of them watching bts instead of the concert. World renowned performer and artist usher was even all praises from them.
@@elanan9411 y'all cannot even distinguish constructive criticism and baseless hate. i know that girls performed alright on other shows, but the first shows in seoul were mess. amd what if there were 4 clips?? they r still there, my complaint is not on the amount of performances they fucked up. and how can u edit those clips, just explain me?? the thing is clear - they performed unwell on first shows, i doubt u can edit that way it will look like they messed up. if u r defending them, u r a part of the problem. i don't give a shit who fuckin complained under posts and all those details that u listed which is fucking unnecessary. am not hating them, im clearly saying that girls should practice and performe better - why it's hella hard for y'all to accept?? if they do practice and get better, i will not even complain, but rather praise for good work. I'm basing off of what we clearly have seen.
@@farkhodovakamila7 there are a lot of accusations of what you think I said in my comment and you can see for yourself that I didn't say that. Furthermore, you spoke about the first shows as if they were still an ongoing issue, so I made it clear to you that it wasn't. Besides, the girls themselves acknowledged their faults in the first shows and said they would do better, and they did. I would understand speaking about the issue if it were still relevant but it isn't, so therefore your use of the term "constructive criticism" is completely invalid. Criticism was pointed out and solutions were constructed. That happened a couple of months ago. It's that simple.
@@farkhodovakamila7 these " so called audiences" don't even pay to see them. They lie behind computers and mobile phones. Usher went to see their concert and said he was inspired by it to make his own concert better. Multiple blinks called it the best experience of their lives, the actual reviews are great. Blackpink is still selling out day 2 shows of 70-80k, why would people wanna pay if they hate it.
What? You mean a kpop group that focuses on selling, being pretty, views, merch and fans gaze? You gotta be joking...sm ppl fr forgets blackpink is still a kpop group, they are still under yg a kpop company, they didn't get to decide the concept or whatever at all, i truly see no problem with their concept and the image they give bc after all it is kpop
Nah, fr Most of the issues touched on here are root issues with the ENTIRE kpop industry, not just blackpink
@@HG-yy3cq ik fr, it is an industry issue
But still they don't have Korean songs in their album despite being Kpop group
@@nishukumari505 yeah like a lot of kpop groups because they all look forward to global look, thats normal
She mentions MULTIPLE times they are just one of many kpop groups and that they don’t get a lot of choice in this. So I’m not sure what you are complaining about
This is one of the rarest videos where the comments r actually supporting bp than hating them
about pink venon isn’t stealing, this is super comum in the industry! it’s call sample
I do not understand why Black Pink is criticized for every mistake or everything, although all groups do the same in terms of songs and mistakes. It is not their problem that they are more famous and get more attention than any group, but only Black Pink is criticized by like, why are you so obsessed?
All these comments going you're so brave for this? Brave for what? Trying to chase clout using Blackpink? You can just see all these comments subtly mass hating on Blackpink. Please leave these girls alone. Have some shame. These women are no different than other female idols. You can hype your faves without dragging and comparing them with the top competition. And what's with the questioning of dance moves, like other male and female groups don't have provocative moves. Can't believe this girl and the comments are pulling this crap on women's month.
you are BRAVE for this girl 😭🙏
True 😂
@@keerthichandrakomarraju5798 brave for being bothered by a group success!!!!!
You can just ignore them.
But she needs their ne to get views since blackpink is most hated k-pop group.
@@bangtanboys1298 your comment is actually so funny cause I think you missed the point of the whole video
@@cafe_noir8996 there is no bravery in hating on successful women.
Dude she was not hating 🤣🤣😂
Y’all will find anything to hate on the girls. The ‘stealing songs’ have all been credited and are either sampled or interpolated. Kpop Stans don’t even know what plagiarism means and throw it around everywhere
When she said that yt's views surpassed (by far, according to her) blackpink's Spotify plays, I burst out laughing fr, blackpink literally just broke a Guinness record for being Spotify's Most Streamed Girl Group... That doesn't sound like something you can Inflate or fake girl💀
Idk if it's real or not but you can inflate views no matter the platform so I it's definitely possible, I just think it's cuz they're the mainstream kpop group globally.
despite having 31 songs, blackpink still at the top. imagine if they have 200+ songs like the other groups
The same recycled opinions y'all been having since 2019 if bp really bother y'all this much maybe just ignore them why y'all keep talking about them
lmfao these ugly hœs do it all for attention, she wannabe that r@t sultry film part 2😭
@@kenz1mo it's really getting boring and why is bp the only group targeted this much when there's other who done worse
Then to take 10 second tour clips of mishaps in their early shows and try to paint a narrative when the full show is great and seasoned performers like USHER has went and come back and said he was inspired and was one of the best shows he’s ever seen? Give me a break.
jennie is not a foreigner.
why do people always want to depict her as such? she was born and raised in south korea. going abroad for 5 years doesn’t make you a foreigner. i find it interesting that you mentioned all their birthplaces minus jennie. BOTH jennie and jisoo were born and raised in south korea.
If YG or bp really cares about "male gaze" you'll see them wearing more revealing outfits like other ggs do
No group ever get this dehumanized disrespected hate than bp it's like they're committed a genocide or killed y'all loved ones
I think they lack the Kpop Standard but they perform more for the overseas audience and i don’t see a problem there. Although i must say, if they were a less known group with only the K-Audience, they would have had no chance
I think you're absolutely right. BlackPink is super talented, but I think they were also incredibly lucky to debut at the time they did, when KPop was reaching new heights. There are a lot of artists just as talented as them with a strictly Korean audience that just wouldn't do as well over here. I mean, YG tried to do the same thing with 2NE1 and SM has tried with multiple talents including BoA and SNSD. Sorry, you got my long winded response, lol.
huh
@@CozieGhosty I don't know, you've used so many acronyms there that I don't know that I have to take your word for it
im sorry but when blackpink debuted in korea they blew up like crazy. they did really really well there, won tons of awards and you could see that lots of koreans admire them.
Eh blackpink were known as monster rookies so realistically they would've been fine in Korea regardless.
I understand that the Blackpink phenomenon is a relevant part of your series about pretty privilege, and I agree about a lot of stuff especially the hypocracy of the "empowerment" branding followed by constant demeaning lyrics (which doesn't even seem to be what the members are like) but some things about this video are misleading and unfair, I think.
2:22 using a before/after of Rosé and a clip of Jennie saying that she's hungry without context while saying "at the expense of their health" is diagnosing them with carreer-induced eating disorders or forced dieting which, quite frankly, is strange coming from you, knowing how you keep pointing out that one shouldn't accuse you of these things just because you lost weight. Not you Zoe! You know, Rosé's small frame makes every little variation extremely noticeable, because every pound represents a higher percentage of her total weight than if she had started off with a body that's on the larger side. It's easy to lose and gain a couple of pounds just because of everyday life.
2:37 : that isn't plagiarizing, that is quoting, it's part of rap culture and it's meant to be obvious
We don't know what is going on behind the scenes and why the quality of their performances have been declining so much. But it's indeed reasonable to expect top-tier stuff from acts that are so successful, especially coming from an industry that is all about excellence.
I’m not a super fan or anything but I don’t think they’re overrated. A solid group for years 👍
Went to the tour in LA literally 0 mistakes
I realy don't understand, why Twice have 3 times more comebacks, but less popular😢
I do not know whether you have actually watch them performed live before, I'm going to assume you haven't.
I have the privilege of attending their Born Pink World Tour in Kuala Lumpur just last Saturday, for the first time.
If you were there or have been there, you'd understand. That's all I'd like to say.
They are not overratted but even if they are they didn't choose to be this popular..
not u denying the truth 💀
While I actually agree with some of your points, I genuinely disagree with a few of them and would like some clarification on what u meant by them. I don't mean to totally shut down ur points or your point of view, i'd just like to open more discussion on this as u seem very well-spoken and knowledgeable.
Particularly, I don't understand what the male gaze section was supposed to be about? Yes Blackpink have some risqué moves here, lots of twerks, body rolls as u said and that can't be denied, but these kind of moves, especially with blackpink, are really... harmless? Let me explain before anyone gets the wrong idea
I TOTALLY agree that catering to the male gaze is RAMPANT in all entertainment industries and women are unfortunately exploited a lot and made to act in sexual manners, but in the case of Blackpink, it's not as if the girls were underage when they debuted and made to perform these risque moves, afaik they don't express any discomfort in performing these choreos unless they're in a tight, uncomfortable outfit(which i would say is a bigger issue), and combined with their powerful, confident image, it feels as though the girls themselves are confident in expressing their sexuality and sprinkling it in their performances(despite them constantly being SL*TSHAMED for them omfg)
Also, I don't like the take "oh the brand claims they're so "not-like-other-girls and empowering but they cater to the male gaze" when the examples u gave (sexy choreo and doing aegyo) aren't even that bad? Like just because blackpink does these things at all does not change the fact that they're overall empowering as a group that inspires confidence?
Furthermore, I feel as though adding the male gaze is kinda redundant as literally SO many groups have choreos that are sexual in a more problematic way than blackpink. For example, making MINORS do sexual body rolls, lifting up their shirts and doing hip thrusts.
And this applies to both ggs who conform to a male audience and bgs who conform to a female audience. In fact, I'd say most active boy groups have even less subtle sexual choreos than blackpink, and yet they are not NEARLY as criticized for it.
And I'm not saying that all idols should be shamed for having sexual choreo (unless an idol is minor or explicitly expresses discomfort in performing them, whether it be because of the audience or other reasons), every idol and performer for that matter should feel able to utilize sex appeal in their performance IF THEY WISH TO, because the truth is, sex sells,, and it DOESN'T have to be exploitative if the idol feels comfortabel with it and there's no ethics being broken or abused.
Again, Im so sorry if I misinterpreted what u were trying to say or if i got off track,, but I just wanted to get this off my chest and wanted to express my opinions. Feel free to correct me or reiterate your opinions, I'm genuinely open to discuss this and hear out other perspectives as, again, judging by ur channel u seem very well-spoken and with a lot to say.
(EDITED to re-word some of my points)
this !!!
IDK what happened in Seoul when the Born Pink tour started, but I saw them in Germany and they killed it. About the fake views... Zoe... you can't imagine how fast their concert tickets were sold out. I waited online for 6 hours to find one, and after I bought it, it was almost sold out. The hype is real.
What you have to keep in mind for the youtube and spotify comparison is that YT has a way bigger audience than Spotify and the discrepancy was even bigger in the past. Yes they have more views than on spotify but YT has a bigger audience and they started releasing stuff on YT since 2016. Psy is gaining 1m views daily for gangnam style to this day while his spotify streams dont reflect that, but i doubt anyone would call him inorganic
What was it that BLACKPINK said “it’s kinda weird how everybody judge but LOOKING TWICE” it’s fcc how u feel cus they don’t care about what u saying take this video down it’s always some wanna be hating on successful women ….
I don't think bp is overratted tho..
unfortunately, it’s the truth
I think overhyped would be a better word
you blaming jennie for people who sexualized her is kinda crazy considering you yourself is a woman like??? girl this is giving jealousy
They got a lot of people into kpop. They are huge for a reason
This is probably one of the videos that actually criticizes them. Every video I've come across is full of hate💀
I think that they began to feel unfulfilled by their job as idols at some point and it is the main reason that the group feels lackluster as a whole nowadays (thus the downfall of their live performances and increase in their solo activities) and not the marketing strategies of YG which is pretty common. It seems to me as if they have no interest in being idols anymore and YG is just trying to milk the success of their fame till the last drop. Imo, in their first years they deserved all the titles and praises they were given but nowadays it's sad to see that the passion they had when they were rookies has been fading. I just miss THE blackpink tbh now it just feels like they don't really care about their music career and giving their bare minimum cuz they know that the loyal delusional obsessive fans will eat it up like its their best.
Proof that blackpink will always be relevant!
Why r ppl acting like she saved the world by uploading a video to critique BP? There are thousands of videos saying sig worse things about this group. This isn't new...
If anything there r some false claims. Lip syncing= pretending to sing when u r not. Not putting the mic to your mouth to pretend to sing ISN'T lip syncing. Lisa never pretended to sing if she wasn't. I wish ppl would look up the meaning. Jennie did lip sync in her solo however. Just correcting a clear mistake. Show me a popular kpop group that doesn't lip sync ever and I'll show u a liar. Also, everyone keeps talking about their 1st concerts but forget the other 30+ concerts. All in all decent video, but SOME things don't make sense and feel regurgitated rather than factual.
to me it’s sad these beautiful girls have to deal with fitting into toxic beauty standards and are truly miserable behind the scenes😞 i’m not saying ppl can’t be k-pop fans but i wish they knew that it’s not all cute like how they present it
Yeah, part of the reason I struggle to keep watching Kpop content is because of idols constantly talking about skipping meals and collapsing from not eating enough for their appearance. It's sad to see members mention not eating and getting sick.
@@mapm5002 For your kind information Blackpink choose their own outfits for concerts
@@mapm5002 Blackpink has mostly female fans and their concept is for girls. Also most of Blackpink’s male fans are part of LGBTQ and like the girls for music and talent. Also Blackpink chooses their own outfits and the fact that Rosé and Jisoo are allowed to be more covered up proves the point. If they where forced all of them will be wearing short cloths. If they were western artists like Beyoncé you will not even say such things. Blackpink are adult women and can make their own decisions just like theie western counterparts can. Like Nicki Minaj wears way more revealing cloths than Blackpink.
blaming jennie because people sexualized her nurse outfit and then explaining that the reason why blackpink slightly shake their ass in some choreos is because they want to attract men girl how do you film, publish and rewatch a video like this with no shame @zoeye3
the comments being full of "im an ex blink" "im also a blink but" " you're so brave for this" yall are cornyyyy, let's pack it up
Blackpink only has 31 original songs on Spotify and they have a lot of content on CZcams compared to Spotify so it’s a given they will have a huge discrepancy
I definitely believe that Blackpink debuted with the vocals, rap power, and dancing ability that was expected of any third gen group. I also think that they have improved their abilities over time as would be expected of any group. I'm not sure that they are peak-level vocals or rap or dance that would garner such a massive title and views. I'm happy that Blackpink are helping to globalise K-pop and get more people into K-pop groups but I don't think they should be given the incredibly pressuring title of best girl group in the world. With the lack of control the girls have over the songwriting and even over basic decisions in their own life (how they're dressed, how much makeup they wear, what they eat, when they get to talk to and see their families, etc.) I think fans and ordinary viewers of the videos/listeners are putting a lot of pressure on them instead of the company. Part of the "are blackpink overated" debate is centred around their discography and how small it is compared to other groups. That, again, is out of their control. I think Blackpink are in the unfortunate position of being exploited for their visuals on the global stage and their music careers (that they've spent years training for) has been held over them like a hostage.
It's not like these girls don't know what the are doing. They definitely know.
@@gigiannx I agree that the things they have choice over they are making those decisions themselves, but I’m not so sure that they are 100% happy with those decisions either. This isn’t me protecting them over any insensitive, racist, sexist, etc. things they’ve done btw - I believe blackpink and anyone who does anything offensive or ignorant should learn and apologise. It’ll be interesting to see what their contract renewal looks like and what happens if they don’t resign/ sign with a different agency.
Im personally gonna say that most overrated opinions are also because of their live prrformances
@@sofiabruiz17 very true, and when tiktok and other platforms have made it so easy for videos of the tour and their lack of preparedness to be so quickly viewable it makes it so easy for people to comment these things about them being overrated. It’s a shame that their whole schedule isn’t considered by the average viewer/watcher (again not condoning anything where the members are actively choosing to do something offensive or unprofessional, it’s more so a judgement on YG for giving permission for their schedule to be such a jam packed mess where they can’t adequately prepare for tour dates and performances that fans are paying so much money to come see.)
@@annafromuni58 they have responsanility too. They were on holidays for 2 years. The amount of groups that train nonstop on their own to be given a chance is astonishing. They are old enough to know if they need to oractice or not, they just dont care anymore. Its bith their fault and the companies. You cant just crucifize the company when soemthing bad happens
but what do you say? Do you think everything is for men? do not be ridiculous. Not everything is for men, his lyrics are about self-love and if you don't understand it, then I recommend that you go back to school.
Blaming jn for getting sexualize when ur a girl urself u get sexualize even if ur wearing pants but yeah lets blame the women for men action
I watched this video 10 hours ago like right when it was posted and the title and thumbnail said "is blackpink overrated" and now it says "let's talk about black pink" and the "male gaze" so idk why she changed it buuuut
woman can wear whatever they want it doesn't mean they are trying to impress boys but màn will be impressed anyways which idk if its the male gaze or not but it's not their fault but I respect your view and love ur channel
Just watched the video and i get that
this type of deep dive is not for me :D
I'll stick to their music because for me it's a banger . What they are doing , are they overrated , how bad are they or their lyrics is not my problem ,
I just enjoy their music .
Y'all be acting like she did the impossible for uploading a video criticizing BlackPink when there are so many people who have done the same thing -_-
(G)-IDLE can better be described as breaking the standard, as they aren't afraid to show the fierce side of femininity, or experimenting with their concepts. BP is great, but even if they challenge some standards, it's not enough if they always go back to mass appeal without getting out of the comfort zone. HYLT, DDD and KTL were all sounding pretty similar with similar themes, and it's not bad to be thematically cohesive, but it gets repetitive at some point. (G)-IDLE doesn't shy away from experimenting, shame that their company is such a lame ass excuse of an organisation.
I agree. Like after soojin left, for a false bullying scandal. IDLE came back with tomboy. A song about putting women in boxes. It was VERY bold.
I agree too. I think BP kind of does girl crush as a marketing strategy while G-Idle and Mamamoo do some real female empowerment and are more creative than the one guy writing the music for BP. (Although I do like the one guy’s music.)
G-Idle’s marketing does suck. I had no idea they existed until Tomboy but oh my god did I fall hard the first time I saw that video. Immaculate. Perfect. 10/10 best music video.
Gidle is my favorite...super pro fem
Haven't members been racist/culturally insensitive?
Definitely G-idle and for 3rd gen Mamamoo, those women have set a major standard and actually release music to empower women
about the discrepancy in views... it could also be becauase they have a lot less music than most groups...
in terms of skills, i dont think they're overrated. going back as early as the first two square eras (square one & two), they're insanely talented performers and know how to carry a performance live, and the music from those eras definitely were a huge help in showcasing their skills and charisma. after how you like that was the start of how bp wasn't on their best IMO. pink venom and the born pink tour are the worst offenders of that (I swear, yg can do way better than that + good thing bp got their shit together as the tour goes on), and It really saddens me that yg isn't doing bp's talent justice + bp falling off a bit more in the start of the tour lately.
the only thing that's overrated is their released title tracks (i cant say the same for b-sides bc I'm not interested enough to try to listen). but skill? they're amazing. if they extend their contracts, i really hope yg can give them more room for creative input + let them make more music. please.
i like the girls individually, but as a project BP is just smoke and mirrors. There was no organic growth into being the biggest kpop gg they were just. placed there, with those farmed viewes and "records". How are you the biggest group with barely any music?? How are you a praised rapper without writing a single bar? Why is the music so bad and shallow? How are you 6 years into your career with ZERO daesangs as, again, the biggest kpop gg? YG spends insane amount of money on all kind of shady promotions and cultivating the girls' personal brands they might as well just go solo and stop wasting their time on BP
I'm not a fan or a stan, I enjoy kpop and ppl are way too critical and have no other better things to do but to hang to the slightest "controversial" thing in their videos, who tf cares, go find something better to do with your life
Alright lemme sum this up rq for yall
1. I absolutely do not see this video as a offensive or hate video, it's simply somebody voicing and recognizing some pretty valid points, zoe has also numerous times said that this is more on YG and not on blackpink.
2. I do agree that this video probably should've been more wide focusing where she spoke on the kpop industry in general, but she has already made a video like that and I'm assuming this one was just more of a focused video that studies one specific group. I would however agree that there are other groups that imo have more interesting subjects in term of things that should be noted and investigated on them, but it makes sense that blackpink was chosen especially considering their global griphold.
3. DOUBLE STANDARDS R WILDDDD. the amount of ridicule and slut-shaming i've watched jennie receive for her twerking on stage is genuinely disgusting. y'all will scarf down any male kpop idol who grinds the floor but she can't... shake her ass? bffr y'all. A. she's a whole grown woman. B. it's literally her tour and C. ain't nobody got time for your 1800s ideals. I also think its wild how much society hates women who are comfortable in their bodies and how they express them. Like korea is perfectly chill w/ making their underage idols sing about cookies or making them wear hella short skirts but when an idol CHOOSES to do smth like that, then it's a problem because it's a woman who has control over her body instead of selling it to some bogus company.
4. are they overrated? that's debatable imo. for me, i have loved them for years and they got me into kpop. i think that they've opened countless doors for other idols (regardless of whether or not they're "better", they still allowed groups to be able to reach fans all across the world). they are 100% a commercial project in certain areas bc lets be fr, everything is. Everything you love and everything and everybody you find to be "authentic" is truly a product at the end of the day. despite this, i still enjoy them as a group and i think that sometimes you just have to decide, "do i want to stress myself over the fact that literally everything is fake or do I simply want to enjoy this group for what it is?" it's your choice.
5. they have so much wasted potential. i truly have always felt this and even more so after i discovered some of Rose's solo covers. she has such an amazing voice that is honestly kinda wasted. personally, i feel like most group (kpop or not) are going to have trouble including everyone. Which is why i've never been a huge fan of those hella big kpop groups, someone is always going to be forgotten (like let's be fr, if blackpink has trouble including people, imagine twice). but anyways i rlly hope when they disband that all the girls are able to follow successful solo careers, whether it's in acting, singing, dancing, etc. or even private lifestyles or behind-the-scenes work.
6. Imma say it bc i can, some (aka the majority) of their fans are way to obsessed, referencing back to the halo effect that zoe mentioned, y'all mfs gotta chill. and im saying this as a blink, you have to realize these people are human. which means the following:
they do not owe you a damn thing
they are not perfect, which also means that you may disappointed by them and that's okay.
you absolutely should not entertain the idea of a parasocial relationship with people who have no idea who you are and no, it is not okay to stalk them.
they quite honestly can do anything and you literally do not have to stay their fan, just don't be obsessive and don't be an asshole :)
okay i think i summed it up. lmk if i should add smth ig?
I love BP but they should give them better lyrics. I know it's not their choice but they still get hate for it.
When someone says something or comments on K-pop and K-drama literally anything ppl take it personally! ppl even go to Korea just because of K-pop and K-drama however, I have never heard anyone saying I’m going to US just for Ariana grande, Justin bieber or Harry Styles. ppl always say your lucky cause your living in Korea your breathing same air as BTS, on the other hand no one says your lucky your breathing same air as Harry Styles, no matter how much hard you do as long as your living in Korea your “Lucky” and this mentality of ppl’s now a days
This exactly is what I've been thinking! Having been a die hard blink who always rooted for them and justified their drawbacks, I honestly started feeling more and more betrayed and underwhelmed by the direction the group is taking. It kind of opened my eyes about the whole kpop industry so I just gave up kpop all together.
as the “ biggest girl group “ , they should live up to it
I mean they didn't choose to have the popularity they have but yes
Period
Hmm...I get what u r saying but I guess songs like typa girl seems more like a song that a girl would sing to herself to feel like a baddy n like I am the prettiest with whatever kinda figure I have n all that ya know...
I'm so glad you talked about their lyrics and typa girl. I was so shocked when I first heard that song...
I get y'all think that typa girl feels lot like pick me but fr, they are not like most woman and that is a fact, not saying better just different. Ain't abt bringing other women down.
It is not like the worst lyrics you can listen to fr
It's a song and it's not real? Like bro I don't find this song offended. LMAOO did y'all get the point of the "born pink" album? Some are real song like inspired by a true story and some are made up story songs just like Typa Girl, Tally, The Happiest Girl, Pink Venom, Ready For Love. Shutdown is not a made up song
I was enjoying typa girl until i heard Lisa's rap. " All of these on some uppercase shit that mean they all cap " and then " i am not like these other girls at all " lines .
@@shimpiyaa bro they did not event mentioned any celebrities or real people's name. Lisa's rap only said "girls" obviously this song is "roleplay" or a pov. It's not real 💀💀 yeah this song is a pick me but is this song indicated to you? Nah, yallz name wasn't even mention that song. Bro it just said "girls" and y'all acting like your family, homies, friends, or others are offended. Like bro it's a pick me song yeah but is it harmful? No like seriously can't y'all just act and pass the vibe check to this song? It was really obvious that this song is only for the povs of pick me like blackpink being a pick me in different dimension. Like bro wtf is y'all on 💀😭
This song is pure trash lmao, they just sing the most awful lyrics ever and put on a cool beat to cover this up
100% honestly as a K-pop Stan I can say that most of it applies to almost all girl/boy groups.Even when they talk about being pretty is not everything in the end most kidols fits the Korean beauty standards. Plus I'm pretty sure that blackpink was always aimed toward the western market.
I don't understand why this concept stuff is being critiqued so seriously, when it is obviously just as hollow and meaningless as everything else about K-Pop. K-Pop is just peak capitalism pretending to be culture. Not to say the songs aren't catchy and the videos fun to look at, but nothing carries any real meaning.
About lyrics: as a Native American blink I still get very confused feelings about “Boombayah”… Who the heck wrote that song?
Blinks are triggered in the comment section 💀
I thought Butter from BTS had the most views on CZcams in 24 hours. At least that is what all the news and talk show hosts keep saying. Did I not understand it right??
It's crazy how a group existence can cause so much trouble to others who don't listen to their music.
I smell jealousy.
You can literally just ignore them but you put a lot of effort to make a video. Their success bothers people.
probably a twice stan and want her group to be at top, but not likely since blackpink crushed every other girl group on the planet despite not releasing song every 3 months. imagine if blackpink would release song every 3 months they would probably be the biggest group.
@@beraty.6899 I disagree with this, blackpink is not a typical k-pop group who has to release a song every 3-6 months to stay relevant.
Most western artists don't release album for 2-3 years until they are not ready.
I like their music, since there are no skips.
I consider both BTS and blackpink as biggest groups and can't be compared. Male groups will always have higher physical sales-because of crazy teenage girl fandom.
@@bangtanboys1298 bro I literally agreed with you and supported you with my comment
@@beraty.6899 I know, but i just didn't agree with comeback every 3 months part.
Everything else I agree.
@@bangtanboys1298 yeah, but it would be good for blinks and their spotify streams
Love the video!
Im too dumb to give a long comment but thank you for the video
8:05 i don’t think that is born pink tour, bc she isn’t performing solo.
18:17 girl crush concept now being so overused in gen 4 that hurt my ears like- 😭😭😭😭
Hey Zoe I loved the video but… I literally made a drinking game with my friends , taking shots every time you flipped or rolled your hand. We got alcohol poisoning 💀😂😂
i hope to see more videos like this about other kpop groups too.
You won't see lol only bp brings them views
@@ghost-sg7wp Absolutely.So i tell her to do more about others eventhough i know she won't.
Rose's real name is Chae-young it is Roseanne but she made her korean name different because barely anyone could pronounce it in Korea and before you say she's Korean so she picked her English name she was born in New Zealand raised in Australia.
I hope black pink fans who watch this realize this is not a hate video, more like a reality check. She is right, these are just humans. No better or worse than anyone else.
The problem is a bunch of people who are perched, actively waiting for videos of this kind to dogpile on blackpink, when they don't actually have anything to do with the group and do not think favorably of them. There is a concept I would like to introduce by the name of constructive criticism, and it's definition is in the name. If you are constantly just trashing on a group saying they are this that and the other, and not highlighting strengths to create a viable solution to the criticism you are highlighting, you are not being constructive. You don't actually care about the quality of the product or it's potential. You are just being a hateful loser.
yes, it is pure hate and most of the comments are also hateful. it has nothing to do with fanaticism, it has to do with common sense. one thing is to give advice or make a comment, and another is to live throwing shit like this girl does and many do too. they underestimate the girls as if they knew them, as if they were going to see their concerts. they degrade their lyrics, their music and themselves as women, as people. they have to behave and do what you want otherwise they are bad. pure bullshit.
this is a hate video lol
LMAO it's a straight up hate video about them because miss gurl knew that BLACKPINK hate train is popular in yt rn so she grab the opportunity to do this bs so she can have some relevancy
i personally feel like YG is just milking Blackpink at this point as they might disband soon. People keep saying that blackpink are underwork but srsly speaking they are like flying all over the world every like 12 hours, not even a day in one single country. I feel really bad for them, having stan them from debut (2016). I know they can definitely achieved more then just fashion icons and etc. But YG keeps holding them down tbh.
Similar to the Moses situation, there was a controversy in India about the song How you like that? where during the Lisa's rap there was a Ganesha idol placed down on the floor near her leg. This unsettled alot of fans as Ganesha is a God of great significance and this was disrespectful. Later YG deleted that scene from the music video.
They acted like nothing happened .
Wondering if the next video will be on the toxicity of Kpop fandoms, RE: this video's comment section. I know nothing about Black Pink and am just a regular viewer, so didn't know what to expect from this video/ comments.
Instead, the video gave me tiny nuanced perspective on a hugely popular girl group... and the comment section has me scared for @zoeunlimited physical safety. This is wild.
I feel so sorry for them, not Blackpink specifically but I saw a video about K-pop idols with clips of their managers taking their food away and they were so happy to eat and then so sad but worse was the clips of the idols passing out cause they are so weak and I kinda know how it feels cause when I was a kid I didn’t eat for a week (not from body weight problems(and not on purposed)) and I hadn’t had enough water so I remember passing out I remember gagging, sweating and then my body went limp I dropped my toy and then my mom pulled me back up but some feel like that all the time
Ok, but the same problems that you find in Blackpink are in other groups, I really don't understand the meaning of this video, It seems more like a compilation of what haters say about Blackpink than actually a good analysis 🤔
one thing i dont like (even though im a bp stan) is that how the fandom babies the girls and puts them on a pedestal, like they NEVER accept the fact that sometimes the girls are in the wrong too, they blame everything on yg or staff when in reality its usually the staff that over works. like for example, in the concert bp gave us nothing and were outdanced by their backups but people still blamed yg somehow
What are backup dancers for if not to dance?? 😭 I'm sorry, maybe this is something that has created a gap between blinks and kpop fans, but my top priority during a concert is the singing and stage presence. I grew up with the mainstream industry and backup dancers were always there to dance. The artists to light choreo, but they are not meant to blend in with the dancers, the dancers are there solely to fill in the back of the stage. The artists are meant to entertain. Good for you if you come to concerts to see routines, but blinks don't. They come for the concert experience.
@@elanan9411 ik but they literally didn't even try so people were really pissed because they paid alot of money just to see them lipsync and give nothing
@@elonmusktoes I can find at least 50 videos of every member very much so doing their best dance wise on this tour. It's really not hard but when you're so focused on things you dislike that's all your looking for. I personally do not spend time on things that I do not like or enjoy or that do not interest me, because being so eaten up by negativity really doesn't do any good for me or my skin.
@@elanan9411 uhhhh okay..proud for you ig?