Should the Penguins trade Crosby? | OverDrive
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2024
- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Dave Feschuk discuss if the Pittsburgh Penguins should trade Sidney Crosby and why its good for the game and Crosby’s legacy to move on to play for a competitive team.
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what he could do next year is trade somewhere else as a trade deadline rental, get a boatload of assets for the pens, then resign with them the next year. Even as a rental the price he would fetch is still sky high
Chase cups , Pittsburgh ain't gonna do that any more.
Resign = retire
@@SverigeiSverige He wants to win , all those picks they traded , away for guys that didn't help them win a cup , is coming back to haunt them , young man game now.
@@JAY-zd7vu Yes he doesn't want to resign, maybe re-sign. 😉
I'm a Pens fan. Could you imagine if he plays this year out, continues at a high level next year on the sinking ship Pens, does exactly what OP is suggesting, helps the team retool at the deadline, goes and wins a cup wherever he gets traded, comes back to the Pens with all of their new assets, and wins one more cup as a Pen?
As much as I want Sid's legacy to only be wearing a Pens jersey, him doing that would be akin to Mario saving the franchise twice. And ending up with five career cups, four as a Pen, in the process, holy hell...
I'm aware this is all a long shot, but if there's one athlete who deserves the stars to align to send him off the right way, it's Sid.
It might not be feasible until his contract is up, but I'd love to see him play with MacKinnon or McDavid while he still has some juice left. Also, Crosby's contracts have never been about money, so you know he'd take a discount to play with them, and even if he had to play the wing to be on their line. He's a selfless player.
I 100 percent agree. But what happens if he plays with both and if he does 4 years left he could do 2 years on each team.. and I think if he did I would think he would want to play with McKinnon first but I could be wrong
As an Oilers fan id love to see Crosby play with McDavid but I'd also hate if he joined this year and the Oilers won a cup and then the narrative turned into "McDavid needed Crosby's help to win a cup"
@scottiepaterson192 First of all, I don't think you would hate anything about the Oilers winning the Cup. I think you would get over that narrative quickly lol Also, I don't think Holland has the brain power to figure out how to fit Crosby under the cap this year. That's why I mentioned it might not be feasible until Crosby has the ability to sign a new contract at a discount.
I'd love to see Crosby play with McDavid since they've never been allowed to play in the Olympics together. It is remarkable to see how dominant he still is at 36. At 8.7MM today, he's still underpaid. Most players sign 8 year deals, and the GM says, "Well, it will help us today, and we'll start regretting it by year 5 or 6." Crosby has always outperformed his contract, and his deal was 12 years or something like that before the 8 year max was implemented.
@@dw1784 I never said I'd hate them winning the cup. I'd hate the narrative that would no doubt follow if it was after Sid joined, even though the Oilers look deadly enough to be a contender already.
Dont get me wrong if we could add him and it were up to me obviously I'd do it in a second, just speaking more about all the people who would try and say it was because of Sid and try to discredit the hard work 97 and 29 have done to round out their game. In a perfect world, Oilers win the cup without Sid and then add him and win a few more ;) ahaha
@scottiepaterson192 Edmonton is my 2nd favourite team, so if Crosby doesn't finish his career on my Penguins, I'd be happy to see him have success in Edmonton.
"What would happen to the franchise if he left" Well he's 36 so he doesn't have much time left anyway.
Malkin has 39 points in 45 games and a 6.1 million cap hit, he's clearly not the problem
yeah between tang, crosby, guentzel, malkin they are not spending a lot of money compared to what they are worth. Makes you wonder where the hell all the other money went
@@black_squall Rackell is their only significantly bad contract it seems.
Teams like this are often not as far away from being championship caliber as people say they are. Sometimes all it takes is a few tweaks, but figuring out what those tweaks are is another story.@@danb239
That never gonna happen
Bad idea. He has 3 cups, he doesn't need to go ring chasing. Might as well finish out his career in Pittsburgh, it'll be better for his legacy.
I couldn’t imagine him at any other team would be… certainly interesting at least
As a Canadian Pens fan I would only be ok with him going to a Canadian team and helping them win a cup. If he went to Boston it would severely tarnish his legacy in Pittsburgh.
Vancouver
Kyle Doofus is the last person I’d want making these sorts of decisions.
I actually agree but I think it’s unlikely. This same discussion would apply to Ovechkin. Washington is just not the optimal place for him anymore, but I’d be shocked if either of these two were moved.
They want to turn this into a circus like the NBA.
Lemieux will make sure the penguins don't die as a franchise, besides, trading Crosby would net them some good stuff. I say this as a crosby fan and a penguins fan. I want to see him win and i want to see the next generation start for the penguins.
Penguins can either trade Crosby or fade into irrelevancy like the Caps with Ovi
And he has the best +/- of any of the scoring leaaders. BTW props to whoever got O-Dog to stop picking his nose during broadcasts
He could go to Colorado , win a cup with his hometown boy MacKinnon
Couple problems with this entire thing from the start.
1. Crosby will never willingly leave Pittsburgh, and that's a good thing. The guy is a Penguin to the bone.
2. The fans would eat anyone alive, who tried to move Crosby. In Pittsburgh, Crosby is right up there with Mario. I would hate to be the dummy who tries to "Jonathan Quick", Sidney Crosby.
@@kevin-um9ys
This has iggy/Calgary vibes.
As an Edmonton guy.. If Crosby somehow won another cup with Pittsburgh that puts him top 3. At least.
And part of me would be very sad if he left Pitt.. Unless he came to Edmonton.
Only place I think he'd want to go is Montreal his favorite team growing up and the team we're his father was drafted or Colorado ultimately wanting playing with MacKinnon.
O dogs face when he said Boston Bruins 3:01
Penguins should blow up trade Crosby,Malkin,Letang,Guentzel,Karlsson but they won't Dubas was probably told make this team a contender not trade our hall of famers.
The cupboards are basically empty for Pittsburgh they most likely will try make moves again. If they got say next year like Chicago moving on Toews,Kane with Bedard.
Pitt could do same with McKenna/Misa,McQueen,Hagens will be good building blocks.
Crosbys a pen 4 life not to mention he was literally the reason Malkin and letang stayed so I don’t think he’s jumping the gun to leave right away
Sid the Kid would garner a No. 1 draft pick. The NY Rangers should try to get him.
As a Penguins fan, they should trade everybody get some picks and start a rebuild.
Coulda had celebrini chances.
I think that is what Dubas’ intentions were. They were just hoping to get 2 successful seasons before the rebuild.
Kuzmenko, Lekkerimaki and a first for Captain Canada. This is the only deal the Canucks should make. Crosby won in Vancouver, he will win again. Even if you are a rival fan, bless you and your team, but I hope you can admit this would be a beautiful end to a legendary career.
Bruins make total sense: the colors are the same so he could keep the same helmet and gloves- that saves some money. 💰
Would be crazy if he came to Vancouver. Imagine having Miller, Crosby, Petey down the middle. Ouch!
Crosby Malkin LeTang all need to be moved. But would have to eat major salary and go full rebuild for 3+ years. Not sure Pittsburgh fans can handle that.
Crosby isnt leaving. Hes a Penguin for life.
Crosby will never leave Pittsburgh but if for some reason he did I could only see it being in Montreal or Colorado. His boyhood team or playing with Nate. Nowhere else would make sense for him
Alvin and Rutherford are gonna bring him home to Vancouver
Its smart to trade him but its not just a reflection of the player to do so. The team should want to honor him by not trading him, keeping him a penguin for life. Just like Yzerman. Just like Sakic.
Plenty of players have gone cup hunting. We dont bemoan it when Iginla or Kariya or Bourque or Robataille go looking, but Sid doesnt have to. Mario was there to mentor and to put the kid up.
You can be a respectable franchise and trade your aging star. Or you can be a respected franchise that proves sometimes the name on the jersey is so engrained in the story and legacy of the franchise that to see them in another uniform is an embarassment.
If the captain wants to go down with the ship, let him. He's earned that. Be competitive. Mortage your future and try to get a real steal somehow. Hedge Gamble. Executives gotta earn their paycheck too.
Colorado or Boston? Gotta figure Crosby would only waive his NMC to play with one of his two best buddies, MacKinnon or Marchand
He won't go to a rival. Colorado seems like the only reasonable destination because of MacKinnon
@@tobinkern5389 Colorado is the one choice where he doesn't get hated for it.
@@buffgarfield3231 Yeah I can't imagine the Pens fans would allow him to go to a rival
Wont happen and very stupid to suggest. Hes not just a superstar. Hes a legacy player. If youre not from the town you wouldn't get it. Its somewhat logical but things arent logical in this case.
Crosby is a UFA the same year Tavares is a UFA, I'm just saying just guys !!
Sid second line center for the leafs behind Matthews plus Marner and Sid are BFF's as well lol
Hope he stays in PItt forever and takes an assistant GM role when he retires, he doesn't need to move he has 3 cups and a secure legacy and I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire in 2025
Would u have traded Lemieux?
Jagr?
@@thomasnox1141 good aim but you gotta look at at the point and time it had to happen there was no way at the time Jager was too good. The penguins were too bad not enough talent after Lemieux left the first time. No one and I mean no one expected his comeback after cancer so good aim frfr but Crosby has Malkin, guentzel, jarry, letang and now noris winner Erik Karlsson have some faith
@@frankpaparo4839 different time, different reason, but the same thing
@@thomasnox1141 no NHL players, the same and no NHL situation as the same bad aim
Definitely a top 10 player all time, two ways to bump that to top 5. He wins at least two more cups or does the impossible and gets the leafs a single cup after which they go back to garbage again for another 50+ years😂 I’d love to see him go play with McKinnon and the Avs. I think he would definitely get another cup or two there. Mcdavid and the oilers, there’s probably 6-7 teams that could win a cup or two with him in the playoffs
I'd love to see Crosby become the longest tenure captain in NHL history not sure this happens if he gets traded
As a Pens fan, I think he should get traded. It would be weird as hell not seeing him in the black and yellow, but there is no better option. The team around him simply isn’t good enough and needs to rebuild, while Crosby is too good and needs another legit crack at the cup. I’d love to see either Tanger, Geno, or Guentzel get packaged with him, but it’s a tall ask, especially considering the contracts. It’s been a good near 2 decades, but Dubas has to do right by his guy.
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Trade marner for sid. Move tavaras to wing and play with sid. Or as 3rd line center. Marner is a dubas guy. Perfect fit
100% agree
Are you drunk? The fan base would revolt and he wouldn't want to go. I hate the Penguins and still don't want to see that.
Crosby would love to play with mckinnon
He's got maybe 3 years left if that, trade him for Picks/Youth, letting the vets just retire for nothing....how did that work for the Red Wings? Like Gretzky, let him join a contender or two the final years before his retirement. The Penguins desperately need youth and picks. The next two years are going to be dark, dont subject Crosby to that.
It is denial. Crosby should go somewhere competitive and try to win and Pittsburgh should rebuild instead of being mediocre for years on end before rebuilding.
I dint think that'll ever happen
Pens fan here, it breaks my heart but I couldn't agree more. Side deserves to win, he's stuck on a team that's no longer relevant.
It would be amazing if he went to Boston ...
Sid isn't leaving Pittsburgh. But with that being said I honestly think Vancouver would be interesting if they did look to move him. Lots of familiarity with Rutherford, Allvin, Tocchet, and some former teammates. Not to mention Vancouver is in the market for a Top 6 center.
Never, ever, ever, never gonna happen. 87 will never be seen in any other jersey than a Pens jersey. Ever.
Even if Sids career ended now he’s still top 5…
Greatest 2 way player of all time, easily the most complete, 200 foot 60 minute player, it’s not even close.
And why do these analyst sound like bitter and angry WNBA players. Lol
If they had a Virginia ham under each arm they’d be complaining about not having any bread.
MacKinnon will convince him to come to Colorado.
I like how these guys make comments like this after clearly not watching the pens or not looking at the standings. The pens have had a rough 5-6 games and are 5 points back with 4 games in hand on multiple teams. This isn’t the time to panic. Mid-end feb is when we will know so people just need to calm down. I’m also surprised they didn’t mention the leafs trading for him that’s all they talk about. Joke of a team.
They already ruined the retire together kumbaya bullshit when they didn't protect Fleury. Trade him.
That my friend is why Sid has become more valuable than the organization, if they dumped him , backlash would be unprecedented, sid will be driving the zamboni between periods , when he's 80, hockey logistics don't fit into this , sentiment is crucial , hes typecasted as a penguin .
Bring Sid to Colorado to play with Nate
Make him a Canuck! 😆
Sid the kid on 3rd line for Edmonton oilers!
Top 10 in the world now, is say to 3 who is a better ALL around player right now,mcdavid, Matthew's, not all around in every situation, he's still the best ALL around player in the world.
Crosby to Rangers for 1st rounder this year 2024 , 2nd rounder next year 2025 and a 3rd rounder 2026 and V. Trocheck.
yes they should trade him to vegas
Make it happen Rutherford! Come win another cup in Van Sid! Win in a Canadian market!
Trade him to Oilers to play with Perry and McDavid to win another Cup!!!
Perry lol
Crosby as an oiler
These talking heads have no idea....He is not leaving, ever.
hes wom everything he can win, retire with the pens. loyalty is everything
Desperate for some comments fellas?? Sid will not be traded. OMG.
Absolutely yes, but it won't happen because it's sports.
I've been a Penguins fan since 1990, when I was 6. I understand your arguments. As much as I have hoped him Geno and Letang play together for their entire careers, which would be a first in history and likely never seen again in my lifetime, I get it. If they aren't fighting for the division lead this year and they are only going to be another year older next year, how will they ever make the playoffs again with this group?
Sid could fetch good young talent and draft picks to help build for the future. They could also retain some salary and trade Geno, Letang, Karlsson and Guentzel (before he leaves for FA) and be closer to making the playoffs again in 5 years than if they keep them until retirement and they leave with nothing but cap space and no one wanting to sign with them to use it up. As long as the returns are the opposite of the result of the Jagr trade, this would help them long term.
They are still fun to watch today, although a bit frustrating at times, and that is why they have been on the outside looking in all season long. They haven't been consistent enough to leapfrog anyone.
So as much as I hate to say it, as a couch GM, I'd tear it down for the benefit of the long term gains. They will be like the Pens of the early to mid-2000's which was the most depressing time I've had a as a hockey fan. But they will get out of that quicker than if they keep them and are already heading in that direction... (sigh)
New second line centre for the leafs 🤔 aha, but you know what he’s probably getting traded to Boston
I think Colorado would be a better fit for Sid.
no
No
Stupid to go to Boston
What will they give up?
Jets have so many young prospects to offer
Matthews should go to Boston hes wasting his time in Toronto
Pengiuns could get a solid rebuilding package for him and have a great future and he could go on to a contender and win more cups. It just makes perfect sense for both parties. But its Crosby and the pengiuns, i get why people cant even imagine it. Everyone assumed hed retire like mario but its best for both parties to part ways, if not the team becomes a graveyard for a decade with no prospects or picks
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The best thing Sid could do to impact the Penguins positively at this stage is let them trade him while his value is unbelievably high
Of course it's going to get worst in Pitt....the Penguins brass gave the keys to Dubas.
He’s won 14 gold medal world championships….around eight Olympic gold medals, six Stanley Cup, 25 MVPs and 10 Hart Trophies! To me, he’s the greatest player that has ever lived in history of any sport. He’s done enough.
"I'll just throw some random numbers in there hopefully it sounds believable"
No, Crosby should finish his career in Pittsburgh
Trade him to Toronto for Mariner , McCabe and a 2nd round pick 😂
Syd goes to Boston, they win the cup guaranteed. Boston would have to give away their future.
Sorry but no! Absolutely not.
That is our Captain and leader, and he is a Penguin!!
If he wants to leave O will always support him.
But this is Crosby's franchise in Pittsburgh, and has been for more than a decade.
Maybe he is happy right where he is.
I want tp rewpect hos wishes most of all though. He has earned the right to play how he wants when he wants, and where he wants.
But I think he is happy right where he is amd I believe they can be very competitive thos year. Go look how many times the Penguins have beat team at the top of the rankings
If we can pull out those wins more regularly, even against teams lower in the standings. And stick to playing together as a unit, their is a ton of potential for them!
Sorry but I jave seen to much amazing play this season that seems to have neen missing a bit in some years past. I'm just happy to see them out their playing as a unit so smoothly. I hope we can grab onto that and keep it going strong!!!
Talking about Crosby leaving Pittsburgh is a waste of time
Why does Sid need to go...Trade Malkin..he needs to go..and Letang..wtf...he should retire. Yes, he is still good, but he is broken. Pens need players that they can count on all the time, not only some of the time..
Yes, to the Knux...
stop it
3 or 4 years? The ONLY reason He would ever retire is if he skates like a turtle..which is why Jagr had to leave the league. When Crosby becoes too slow, then he will retire, but I think he will play until he is 44 or 45.
To the Leafs
He’ll finish his career in mtl
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I couldn't imagine him being somewhere else as a Penguins. But if I have read somewhere was it a rumor about Montreal Canadiens. Hmm...
Screw that. Screw Boston.
He is not going ever he is a pen for life
He's staying.
Trade him to Vancouver
no! retire in pitsburg! legend!
why are people going through this much trouble to talk ab this dumb shit? Crosby has 3 cups already thats more than what anyone can accomplish in this lifetime. Playing for a different team would diminish his legacy. I am not even a pens fan but it seems wrong to have these discussions
Trade him to the Kraken
Absolutely! Every team should consider trading their aging superstars for picks or prospects. This is a proven method for rebuilding quickly and avoiding years of mediocrity - a situation the Penguins have been experiencing for the past few seasons.
Hopefully not mcdavid
I mean besides Croaby himself saying he doesn't want to go anywhere else, How good of a return are we really talking for him if you send him to a contending team? I am tired of all the analysts and insiders saying the penguins should trade Guentzel or Crosby because of the big return they could bring and help fast track the rebuild and then not providing any example of what they think Boston, Colorado, etc would have to send back to clear necessary cap space and attempt to provide fair value. Any slapdick on the internet can yell trade this player to X team but use your insider knowledge to put together such a trade package otherwise cut it out with 6 minute pieces that ultimately say you have no idea what that trade package would look like. If you want people to wrap their heads around it put together some options of what it could look like for both teams and then a discussion can actually be had.
Cale Makar, prospect and couple 1st round picks….
@@Rinalds91 If that is really something Sakic would do, love Makar but I dont think Sakic moves him. If that came across your desk as Dubas you would have to consider that. I just think that most contenders are not moving a piece like that even for Sid
As a Bruins fan, there's not much more I would LOVE to see happen but that would likely ONLY be in my dreams....BUT....like the old saying goes, never say NEVER!! C'mon over Sid, the doors not locked!!!
absolutely not