Guild Wars 2 Mysteries - The Deep Sea Monster
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- The Deep Sea Dragon was one of the biggest mysteries in the story of Gw2. And you know what? While End of Dragons has shown us who "S" was, there are several hints that something else is still out there...
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00:00 - Skip to Start
0:40 - There's Something In The Water...
16:21 - Outro - Hry
It's important to note that the Leviathan in EoD is "Adolescent" and it's huge. There are much bigger versions of it in the Deep.
I think it's important to not label anything "dragon" anymore. I hope the devs realise that since they are done with the dragon cycle, they ought to do other things. I'd love for the deep sea monster to be a Kraken / C'thulhan creature, probably related to the Largos. Could make for an interesting story.
I think youre on the right track. Given this "void" entity exists, I can see some strange Lovecraftian type shenanigans happening.
While I can agree with that entirely.
My thought is we’ve only ever seen elder dragons or their minions that take the form of smaller versions of themselves or an extension of themselves.
especially for some thing like cantha, why not lean into “there are regular dragons” they don’t need to be these mighty world ending things but you can definitely lean into the mythology that’s there. Soowon was an entirely different type of dragon than what we’ve seen in the game thus far, being an eastern style dragon rather than a western style. Old world mythology even mixes sea serpents leviathan’s(not good example because we have them) and some dragons into a kind of overall name for these big monstrosities. one persons dragon is another persons kraken is another persons world serpent.
Edit: not saying that I’d actually like to see that but there are regular dragons in mythology and it reflected. More than with kuunavang and the salt sprays that is. Haha.
@@novusnocturnm Remember Balthazar? He was such a great character, and I think a big portion of that, stems from his alignment (Lawful Evil) in contrast to every single Elder Dragon sharing "Chaotic Neutral".
All I want is an antagonist with a fresh alignment, because the same old apex predator villain won't work for me in the future, because it's been done so much and it doesn't always make for impactful story beats.
@@qwerty222999 again. Not trying to disagree I think a Cthulhu romp would work well too, but if they wanted to keep in line with the established lore of the deep sea “dragon” and then move on, there’s still a lot of room to play with. Expand on the kirnin? Think a dark Haku from spirited away.
Beyond that. Balthazar is definitely chaotic neutral in this case. His actions were selfish and for his own gain, not the good of the world or done to live up to a moral code or divine domain. Enacting a plan of revenge because he threw a fit over the other gods lack of action is definitely a chaotic neutral action to take.
He himself may be a god of war and battle, but his personality and mental state is not the same as his alignment or domain.
@@novusnocturnm "A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts."
Balthazar being lawful in this case, is displayed in how he makes deals and keeps them, specifically with Rytlock, when he opens a portal out of the mists for him, when he could've just killed him with no repurcussion and later when he offers you the fray of battle, when you ask for it during the Primordus scene.
The Elder Dragons are chaotic neutral, because they take what they want for their own benefits, with no regard for whom it effects, though not with the intention of destruction. They wake up, eat magic and go back to sleep.
I am interested in this leading to a Largos centric storyline, it would be something entirely brand new story wise
Largos new playable race??
j/k I’d be totally fine just learning more about them. About everything in the world for that matter. I’d trade all the playable races in the world for a brand new, fully realized continent.
largos hype
@@timleftwich The Largos will have their own sunken civilization that is the Atlantis of Tyria
It would be cool if it weren't a single monster that we thought was the DSD that scared the krait and quaggans away from the ocean, maybe it could be a war between the Largos and a new faction, then we could go over to check out a Largos centric story.
We've been asking for something Largos-focused literally since launch.
This is exactly the type of WP content I've been waiting for - so excited to see more content like this 😍
There's an NPC called Roto at the Brotherhood's Watch POI in dragon's end, not sure if you already know, his dialogue is "Did you hear? When Soo-Won left the deep ocean, something truly awful took her place. This very annoyed quaggan told me about it earlier. Boy, was he livid!"
I'm so happy to see EoD inspire more mysteries. The mysteries playlist is my favorite of your playlists.
We never saw what Soo-Won's minions would look like since she never made any. But what if she did?
Perhaps Elder dragons passively have to create minions, even against their own will. Perhaps she spawned these minions while staying in the deep parts of the Unending Ocean. She never wanted them and gave the denizens of the Unending Ocean the Orbs to protect them. Maybe the monster near the reactor was one she recently spawned. That would explain the octopus statue in the reactor at least.
I do prefer the monster not to be related to Soo-Won though It makes the world feel bigger.
A lost champion of Soo-Won pre-Kuunavang is a great theory I think!
@@WoodenPotatoes The question is if she intentionally created it and Kunavang changed her mind about making more of them. Or if she did it involuntarily. Both are honestly pretty cool.
Are Saltsprays related to the Elder Dragons in any way btw? They look alike enough to Soo-Won that they could be her minions. But why name one of your minions as your champion (Kunavang)?
@@WoodenPotatoes it’s kinda connected but water magic… didn’t Kormia give her control of water over to another god?
Also the dragon father could be cool though am unsure if that is even possible
@@raquetdude Lyssa nicked it from Abbaddon when they pounded him into the Crystal -Sea- Desert and sealed him in the Realm of Torment.
The fact that Kuunavang was Soo-Won’s “champion” strongly implies that she was more than just a mere minion, as all the other champions are. Even Ryland and joined Brahm had some measure of autonomy.
Technically the other 5 EDs are soo-won’s “minons”, her direct creations. But most life on tyria is the indirect creation of the EDs.
The relationship between Aurene and Skyscales is more ambiguous than simply a dragon minion. Maybe there is something like that with Soo-Won and Saltsprays.
Excellent choice of music for the opening - Junkyard Strife has big ominous energy
See, this is the kind of thing I've been looking forward to. I talked in another comment on your EoD story review video about how disappointed I was that Soo-Won didn't turn out to be the DSD that we all thought she would be, but after thinking about it, I kinda like this story decision even more. I love that we're back to square one on this mystery, that we oddly know even LESS about what was driving away the krait, quaggan, and largos than we did before the expansion.
And most of all, I love this feeling that we've been completely wrong the entire time since Season 2. I love this feeling that we've been mislead by the tiny amount of lore we thought we knew, because the characters logically assumed it was all dragon related. We knew there was a water dragon, so scary water stuff had to be the dragon, right?
Nope. We solve the dragon, and we're left with..... Fear. Uncertainty. A complete blindness to what may be actually out there. This is EXACTLY how I want to feel thinking about a monster in the depths. We know nothing, and we should be afraid of that.
I may not have really liked what they did with Soo-Won, but this amount of hype definitely makes up for it. I'm ready to be afraid.
I LOVE your theory about it being a failed proto dragon, I hadn't considered that. I think given a few years and maybe an expansion dealing with other stuff in between this could be good, almost like nostalgia of the original dragons without entirely reopening that can of worms.
However, one idea I REALLY like and what I came into this video thinking, is that it's a Lovecraftian monstrosity. Somehow she was able to combat it, but even Soo-Won doesn't know what it was. She didn't make it, it somehow got here from beyond... but the most important thing is, *maintain the mystery*!! Once something becomes known and explained, it's not Lovecraftian anymore. The point of being that is to be so cosmically horrific and unknowable that learning more only sends you deeper into madness. I love the idea that we fight its armies, and find a way to cut it off from Tyria thus saving this world, but we are wholly unable to kill it. We're safe, but it's still out there... somewhere.
Better yet, imagine if it becomes something in the background that they breadcrumb every now and then, and like a year or two from now, sudden massive attack! Like the LA tidal wave art. It could end with the commander essentially having to cut some sort of deal with it or just making the coasts defendable because the commander claims they couldn't even make a dent in it. Keep the mystery but relegated to the background basically.
@@MrHawkelement I'd like if it, say, this were to become an expansion's plot - the main villain that's an actual character is some kind of general, or avatar puppeted by the creature to interact with us. What exactly we're even dealing with is an ongoing mystery, one that purposefully never gets solved. Maybe just a cutscene of catching a glimpse of it deep in the ocean depths is as close as we ever get
It's 2022, you come back from work, you make a cup of tea, it's the golden age of GW2 mysteries and the new episode just dropped.
I wonder if the Leviathon events could be a hint as well. The skeleton in Joon's house seem to match fairly well with the Leviathon creature. I've not paid enough attention to what the Largos NPC says during the event to note if there's any real hints. But, the skeleton sure seems to be similar, if not a match. So, if they're minions of the DSM, maybe they're keeping tabs on what's happening with Soo-Wan. My tin-hat theory so far.
There’s also the fact that the leviathan’s we fight are all named “adolescent” leviathan, could it be the big momma leviathan then?
There are multiple known Leviathan skeletons throughout the game pre-EoD, and one asset of a drawing depicting the skeleton also exists in several locations. Leviathan skeletons are also in the Crystal Desert, suggesting that they've been around for Thousands of years.
It occurs to me that the Blue Orbs are probably a reference to the pearls eastern dragons are usually depicted holding.
I find it curious that there are always mysteries around creatures that are related to water. We have all the stuff with Lyssa, who is a goddess of water, just as Abbadon was before her (Abbadon also had many tentacles) and maybe that supposed spider goddess we find death in the realm of torment also had something to do with water and might be kind of related to the DSM.
Maybe it has nothing to do with it, but that's the fun thing about theorizing.
Love your mysteries videos WP.
Love the video, this is what I come to your channel for! I had missed absolutely 100% of all this lore.
Probably one of the most interesting stories and the ones I want to see explored more than anything, I like the idea of it being a creature from the mist, that opens the door to explore more horrors and creatures that come from there, maybe even associate it to the reason why gods the gods left, who knows, ahh so many possibilities, amazing video wp!
I’d love to see them tie a DSM into the Arachnia lore from GW1 and the idea of a pantheon of these real horrific monsters.
Though I’m struggling to think up a good plot that wouldn’t feel contrived or like a copy paste of the gods / ED stories tho.
Thanks for this! I hadn't noticed Ela Makkay yet, and was wondering about what, if not Soo-Won, could've been so damned terrifying as to scare the krait, or whether there was a much darker side to Soo-Won that hadn't been on display since working with Joon.
So.....they retconned everything, let's not kid ourselves here. They most likely even forgot about some of their own previous hints and rushed to retcon it all to say it was something else when they remembered.
Yeah its a retcon. This whole idea that anet got around it with in game npc chat doesnt change the fact that they already said it was specifically the water dragon making those tentacled horrors.
Deep sea cthulu monsters are definitely good villains but I shudder to think of having to do any long term underwater combat in GW2.. And honestly we dive underwater in GW2 far deeper than humans realistically can due to pressure. How would we even fight a deep sea monster unless it was stupid enough to come to the surface?
I assume if they were to base something underwater, they'd probably overhaul the underwater combat. It's something people have been asking for forever, so it would make sense that they would do it at some point.
I think it's quite likely that Soo-Won was the "creator god" and her twin in the deep is the "destroyer god" of Tyria. Since Anet decided to "retcon" the dragon cycle from a force of nature into ostensibly a creation myth, I think a dualistic cosmology is the way to go in order to keep Tyria a bit more interesting than "Aurene controls everything now". At the end I can envision Aurene, now controling all of what we call "dragon magic", entering into an eternal battle against what you might call the "antidragon-magic". Neither side can win, it just carries on forever. Gets rid of Elder Dragon magic, neatly ties up the deus-ex machina that is Aurene, and also deals with the top-level lore established way back before GW2 released.
I've had a theory for years that quaggans could be deep sea dragon minions that somehow broke free of the dragons control and that's why they suppress their aggressive side. If there is another sea dragon/monster then there is still a chance for that to be true.
This is vintage WP! During the early days of the game there was so much mystery and excitement. And with their new roadmap it seems like that spark has been rekindled in many, hope it lasts!
I think Bubbles "The Megaladon" knows something. We should interrogate him.
Thumbs up for using the term "Thalassophobia"! Ah, maybe one day I'll summon the courage to go back and finally complete Subnautica.
nothing gets me more excited than GW2 mysteries i love this story so much
Great video! I can't wait to see where the post-dragons GW2 story goes!
Deep Sea Monster potential ideas (order of most likely to least)
1) Mist creature that came to Tyria's depths after Soo-Won left
2) An entity of Void that Soo-Won was containing, that gained "sentience"
3) Soo-Won's first attempt to create a dragon like Aurene, one that can filter all magic
4) Abaddon Lives
5) Father ...
First off, that ambient inquest conversation is really cool with how they wander around the room to contextually comment of things.
Second, I think the DSM could be a good season 6 story hook. They already set up the story line of finding alternative power sources, and talked about sea floor thermal energy as one of their current power sources. Seems like a good spot for attempted further expansion to uncover something nasty.
An interesting question is what the underwater content would be like. Could they make a compelling map that is 100% underwater? I think it would be really cool if they built tech to have bubbles of normal movement zones under the “water level plane”. You could have zones of normal exploration with normal combat on to of a swimming around above those bubbles experience. Turtles walking on the floor could get some use too.
I think between Skiffs, underwater skimmer and the turtle, they have a lot of ways they can incorporate water exploration and combat in a way they couldn't before. It would be neat to see them explore the idea more in the future.
These topics are definitely my favorite, just love thinking about what could potentially happen in the future of the game. I could definitely see this happening.
I love these lore videos, it gets me super pumped for the future cause the sky’s the limit with where we can go now that the cycle has ended.
I really do feel like Xun Rao or something equivalently Purist related is what’s next in the Cantha storyline tho.
What about a possible Lyssa connection? She did randomly take up some sort of connection with water and illusions don't have to be beautiful, she could probably create a nightmarish horror if she wants too. Plus we never found out how or where Balthazar got that mirror from, which according to Kasmeer was personally enchanted by Lyssa. Maybe instead of heading off into the Mists she found a way to hide in the furthest depths of the ocean?
This creature could explain why Soo-Won was able to even remain uncorrupted. Maybe she had to filter corrupted water magic away to something else? Although like you say she would have mentioned being partially responsible for creating this thing, at least to Aurene. And Aurene doesn't really keep things from us.
awesome im glad you found this i was worried they forgot about the krait karka and such an i was bummed i allways thought that was one of the most interesting story threads
You know what would be a good idea? If ANet is now setting up three potential Living World storylines in EoD now (Deep Sea Monster, Raisu Palace, something else?). The three Living World teams work on each of these seperate storylines, alternating between them as each episode comes out. So one episode were dealing with Raisu Palace Part I, next episode introduces the storyline on the Sea Monster, etc. This way, the teams can have a lot more focus on their storytelling.
If that creature from the depths rises up and attacks New Kaineng, the creature is Godzilla.
Loving EoD so far!!!!! Amazing!
I figured I'd mention this purely because it came up, but I did for the briefest moment have a ponder as to whether Kanaxi may have been a void demon, or a deep-sea horror. While I'm more inclined to move away from this shift, the idea that it loops around, and we end up back at DSD with it meaning Deep Sea Demon does entertain me.
I would also like to point out as a very minor point to go with your Jade Maw comments. Didn't Cobiah Marriner encounter a Maw in Orr or a Leviathan that was referred to as the Maw (I forget which) just before Zhaitan awoke?
While its easily possible its not related it does at least briefly make me ponder about the Deep-Sea Monster and if it was interested in what the Elder Dragons were doing, even if its minions were themselves capable of being corrupted.
The only other tentacle-based thoughts I really get are via Abaddon and the concepts from the old Arachnia stuff. But outside of it opening up the idea of other insanely powerful beings I don't really see there being a link.
There's still one major mystery about the ED that might or might not be related that I'm wondering about, why are they all in central tyria(and cantha), and not spread out across the world?
WP touched on a theory about that, why the Elder Dragons congregated in Tyria. The theory being that during their last rise the Seers placed a massive amount of magic into the at the time whole Bloodstone. The Elder Dragons were unable to break the Bloodstone to consume their magic and it was the last bit of magic they could, but there are allegedly 4 chunks and a keystone. I theorize maybe they had one for each of the dragons to be interested in. I think the Keystone was in the Fire Island Chain where Primordus liked to hang out. One was in the Shiverpeaks where Jormag liked to hang out. One was in the Maguuma for Mordremoth. Zhaitan rose near the Bloodstone Caves in Sparkfly. Soo-Won was the only one that seemed to be able to resist the inevitable corruption of their kind and went elsewhere.
I like the idea of wherever is in the Deep Sea being connected to the Shadow Creatures we occasionally encounter in the world. Other than the Shadow Behemoth in Queensdale, the Shadow (which is different from the Void, I guess?) Realm or whatever is something that I've always been interested in but the game never really expands on
One thing I have been thinking about Soo-Won not having minions and being a good Elder dragon is that we now the void was taking over her, she let Joon keep her in the reactor to "modulate" the magic that was shed over the years by Soo-Won.
But this is only something that happened in recent years, the dragon cycle was a thing for millenia and we know that the dragons went back to hibernate until the magic levels in Tyria where high enough that it made them wake up and repeat the cycle.
So I wonder if Soo-Won had gone mad before and only recovered her senses when the cycle restarted and her magic was low enough that the void in it wouldn't make her go berserk.
This made me come up with a few theories:
1. Soo-Won made minions in the previous cycles and some might have survived, that skeleton at Joon's mansion could be from a minion of Soo-Won that may have found her by straying to far away from the depths it was created to inhabit.
2. At the start of each cycle, Soo-Won would try to eliminate her own minions to minimize the damage before she loses herself again.
3. While Soo-Won was hibernating some deep sea creatures where feeding on the magic she was slowly sheding, this could cause those creatures to mutate into horrors corrupted by the void and/or Soo-Won's own Water magic.
All of this is to say that there are many ways that the devs can tell the story of this tentacled horror without feeling like a retcon, the devs can finally move past the Elder dragon storyline but this doesn't mean we are going to pretend like it never happened. As long as there is a good explanation that either ties it to the dragons or justifies the lack of relation to them. Also let's not forget what happened at the start of IBS, Bangar used Aurene as an excuse to agitate many Charr, what if we have another Bangar-like character? The Asura are funny but let's not forget that they could easily decide that without Primordus there is no need to cooperate with the other races, what if the human gods return now that there are no evil elder dragons? Or would they stay away just because of Aurene's presence? What about that land mass to the west of the map?
The posibilities are endless
Just grasping at straws here but. When I think of water, tentacles and monsters. I think about Abbadon. Lyssa also has a slight focus on water and reflections. Some kind of monster left over from Nightfall?
I have begun to wonder if Abadon was actually influenced by the Void from the start.
This makes me want ships and a entire water map that ends up being a massive Kraken Cthulhu type monster
Just redoing Heart of Thorns. During Hidden Arcana, in the Durmand Priory, whilst waiting for an audience to speak with Ella Makkay out side her class room you hear Ella say to her class that there is another dragon in the sea.
And let's not forget about the big metaish event with the huge monster fish in Seitung!
I'm honestly divided about the path I desire GW2 to take now:
- Eitheir into the Mists which predate Tyria after all (Where are the original Dessa and Arkk? So many Fractals with Unknowns/Mysteries that should be further studied, and yet we only get the rewards and that's it... Heck, the Void still exist, but can it interact with the Mists?)
- And then we have the "Depths of Tyria", (where the Asura originally lived before running from Primordus) and now the "Sea Abyss" (where this supposed creature wanders...?)
Honestly i really wish they simply made a GW3.
GW2's entire thing was the Elder Dragons and they fully stopped all of them, just adding a new enemy that was barely mentioned, never implied and now everyone has to pretend it was a thing from the start is very very stupid.
@@AzureRoxe The Mists don't necessarily mean a antagonist itself, and definitely nothing new at all (they have been present on GW1 as well)
The original fourth expansion of Guild Wars (which ended up scrapped and reused to do the "Eye of the North") was focused on the Mists, on travelling further and deep and find a iconic, "clockwork" land, lost within time populated with folks from past (dead) and future (yet to be born)
I always assumed that the "largos and quaggan were run out of their homes by the minions of the deep sea dragon" was a plot hole but yeah, a Cthulu-esque beast being mistaken for an elder dragon would really work
It IS a plothole if characters who do researched the dragons still mentioned minions of the deep and tentacled horrors, only for EoD to completely ignore what they had stated.
why do i now want a new set of raids on the battle isles where we explore the deep sea terrors
Wow this totally slipped past me so really interesting. I think it must be a totally new thing and the idea that Soo-won was keeping something really dangerous at bay is a really cool one. I don't think it is likely that it'll be directly related to her (like a progeny or failed creation) however since I think that anet must be desperate to move away from elder dragons at this point.
I really like this feeling of not knowing what is next in terms of the story. So many unexplained things as well as the potential for totally new direction.
Maybe this Deep Sea Creature is an entity that originates the Elder Dragon corrupted minions. Su Won creates and raises the Elder Dragons, but as the void begins to take them, this mysterious entity gifts them with the knowledge to create… or corrupt life into their own minions, as a means of staving off their own corruption.
Unable to beat Su Won, it maybe set in motion the Elder Dragon crisis. Playing the long game to do away with its rival, who was taking away the magic.
This could also link in with Abbadon (whose minions also underwent a drastic transformation) and his desire to share magic with mortals. Either as a threat he was trying to prepare the world for or as something that corrupted the former god of secrets, maybe into its own minion? I’m kind of spitballing here.
in season 2 quest "hidden arcana" Magister Ela Makkay says " In conclusion, let's recap. The five confirmed dragons are Kralkatorrik, Jormag, Primordus, Mordremoth, and Zhaitan." "We believe there is another deep in the oceans, but its entry in the Scroll of the Five True Gods is partially missing." you can read the whole dialog on the wiki for the quest
Have you talked to the Quaggan in Dragon's End? He has some interesting statements about Mellaggan that isn't unrelated.
Saw the thumbnail and read the title. Hell yes let's go.
Maybe one/some of the devs are Aquaman fans and were inspired by The Brave and the Bold #32 where Aquaman and Etrigan essentially beat back Cthulhu on a yearly basis in the depths, i.e. Soo-Wong holding back eldritch horrors in the deep. Getting a continuation of the Lovecraftian-inspired elements they were experimenting with in the Icebrood Saga would be quite nice.
This might be a bad take, but could it be some form of abaddon again? (ex) god of water and also very much related to tentacles and fear?
ANet, If you guys see this browsing these videos take the idea of something relatively self contained and utterly unrelated to dragons and the void and such and run with it. It'd be super cool to just flesh out the world some without a ten year arc attached to it.
Awesome, I love deep sea mystery, thank you.
Yeess this is why I'm here! So fun!
Genuinely hoping it's some kind of eldritch horror. That would be so cool!
Brilliant mystery story We live in hope great indepth discussion WP
It's gotta be Lyssa right? She has all these unexplained water things so maybe she made the deep sea horror.
I love this one! I’m hoping that LW takes us further out into the jade sea and I could see this mystery having something to do with the comments the hologram news says about whether the jade sea is melting? Also idk if you mentioned it but there’s a cat at the Zhu Hanuku shrine that says something like ‘I’ll stay small for now, last time I was big I got in trouble?’ Im not sure whether it was implying it actually was Hanuku in another form or not. I’m away from my computer so I can’t check exactly what it says and I can’t find it on the wiki
Story like that sounds really cool ngl
i really wanted the water dragon to be a cthulu thing so i was a bit disappointed with nice soo won, but i did notice that the devs left this as an option so im extremely hyped for what will they do next.
I love and appreciate you talking to all the NPCs like this, I know I try to but I missed her completely and that's amazing.
Let's get a whole rework to underwater combat making it clean and as fluid as ground combat that really expands on the uniqueness of that branch of this game. It would be amazing to have a map that is mostly underwater and the Depths are as large as Verdant brink. We just need it to feel more compelling for the larger player base. I like underwater combat a lot but I know I'm not everyone. This could add so much to the turtle's ability to fight underwater and even add more loot game if we get a swathe of underwater gear so we can have different builds for underwater combat that transitions seamlessly.
Maybe the monster is some sort of leftover from Abbadon. There is an tempel under water near Orr, he was the god related to deep waters and the tentacles would fit as well.
I really do hope we see something horrific down there that is separate from the dragon story, but gives us the promised cthulhu based horror that jormag was supposed to be.
In Kaineng library there is a book where Ogden gives his own theories on the deep sea monster.
There is also something akin to zhaitan which the risen refer to in old kaineng, i can't remember the dialogue exactly, but it refers to something deep beneath the earth itself, which is incredibly creepy like a rot in the ground itself. I also believe Soo-Won is actually the jade dragon, and having Soo-Won as the water dragon is just a diversion, as the jade seems like a forming of dragon corruption, or almost like aurene's branding.
But Soo-Won doesn't cause Jade to happen. She never uses any Jade-like abilities but does use water related ones. Also jade is referred to as "Dragon Jade" when it's used in tech, but just as normal Jade in its raw form. She has a close connection to it, but it's not her element.
You should make a video that puts attention on the side stories that are available in the expansion. Specifically, where to start them and a very brief bit about what they deal with. The collections are kind of a mess, and they're easy for people to miss - some direction would be nice.
My personal take, is that the deep sea monster is a full grown Leviathan. Think about it, The adolescent leviathans are all ready tremendous in size, far bigger than any other life form on Tyria that isn’t an elder dragon. So put into consideration how big an adult Leviathan could possibly be, never mind the fact that we never seen an adult Leviathan before either.
I didn't even notice. Yes, this is totally where the story is going.
Wouldnt it be great if Soo Won was actually a scary massive deep sea dragon instead of a tiny boring mary sue?
"Living World Season 6: The Kaiju Konspiracy" confirmed! :)
Tentacles and water, sounds an awful lot like Abaddon. Honestly, most of Abaddon's lore seems to hint at him knowing of the ED and wanting to stop them/setting up the stage for gw2.
Well, there's the whole difference between Abaddon/Dhuum and the other gods. They seem to be ¨native¨ to Tyria which the other gods aren't if I understand the wiki right. (Although in Dhuum's case I'm not sure if he is a true death god or more like a powerful being(like a demon or the eater of souls) simply taking up the mantle of death god a bit like the other gods or Grenth after him who's more of a ruler of the land of the dead than a god.).
Also Abaddon set off the Events of Shiro assasinating hte Emporer. Bit of a convoluted plan right? How does that all fit in.
Abaddon was also involved with Torment (domain), Dragons also got tormented.
@@_Banjo_ Well, the whole Shiro thing did result in the dragon jade. Which is honestly what gave me that thought to start with.
It's not like we really know what Abaddon's intent was since, from what I've read from the wiki, he did a lot that seemed convoluted and almost unnecessarily random like gifting magic to the mortals.
The torment dragons suffer from is the void/actual torment and pain, the realm of torment is mostly unrelated.
@@_Banjo_ Although I just found on the wiki that the realm of torment's map looks a lot like The All(which is prety much the ED.)
I definitely thought and think they'll just use the void as the "twisting tentacles" but id love the studio to prove me wrong
With all of the new Zhaitan stuff going on in Cantha I really believe that all the horrors in the depths have to do with him. Not necessarily him still being alive but maybe his Champions/minions seeing as he seemingly had way more than other dragons. Growing sentient/independent and having their own motives now to some degree, maybe even trying to bring him back.
Hey WP just as a btw the skeleton found in Joon’s mansion is almost definitely a Leviathan AND theres an identical skeleton in the Priory being inspected by researchers and it has a little text associated with it
If they wanted to maybe this creature scared Soo Won away herself. Maybe this is an entity every more powerful. She could have used the orbs to repel it until it got strong enough to be a real threat to her which could help explain her sudden change of heart to help the Canthans
Bubbles has returned.
Crazy theory: What if Grenth sealed Dhuum in the Endless Ocean and his are the horrors scaring everything away?
Hopefully it isn't another dragon. Would definitely be up for it being something else. Also, I agree, its strange that soo won has never mentioned this entity, but maybe even to her its a completely elusive creature, perhaps not fully in our world yet and is likely using the void to free the way for it so to speak. Maybe the killing of the elder dragons is the key to its entry or atleast soo won, who knows. Very exciting to find out more in the future.
Next Guild Wars 2 mystery ---> Queen Jenna's Shoes
Maybe the creature the Inquest caught was actually a leviathan, because Anet has had that leviathan model when the game first came out (I think that's like some of the first model shaman datamined)
Also, what about the JADE MAW? The "Dragonjade" Cantha now uses is just jade infused with dragon magic, so the jade itself caused by the jade wind is still a mystery. In GW1 we know Shiro absorbed the magic from Dwayna to caused the jade wind, so that power will be more likely from the mist (or dare I say, "godlike") so when the jade maw was seemingly born out of that jade, what do we call it as? If the jade maw was a minion, having a jade related DSM would be great.
Also, reminds me of Dessa's fractals. The solid ocean fractal, in it you can see tentacals under the boss arena! Spooky right?
Speaking of WARDENS, WP there's something about female wardens appearing just recently? I thought they were genderless, but the devs deliberately highlighted this fact in the Speakers heart quest in Ecovald, so...
Found "Bubbles" in Seitung Province. A turtle, the devs knew they had to put something about the fan name for the deep sea dragon into the expansion even if it is just an easter egg.
If you do the event there you get the "Bubble's Best Buddy" title
What ever it is, it's power level is somewhere between Elder Dragons and Karka. It stayed away from the Dragon but managed to displace the Karka, although I don't know what the timeline of Karaka appearing is. I thought they turned up after the games launch as the latest species to be run out of the ocean? Quagan and Krait having been driven out long before? The implication to me is that the Karka put up more of a fight before loosing so maybe it struggled with them a little?
Makes sense, Karka are kinda beastly and not to be messed with, but stronger it is.
I just hope they don't pull the old "Oh its even worse than an Eldar dragon!" It can still be an interesting threat without the needless escalation of stakes.
Eldar Dragons being the absolute apex of power on Tyria is kind of the planet's identity to me.
I wonder, listening to this again, if the reason that Thaumanova happened was because they didn't have the right energy. Did they use Soo Won or did they use the DSM? Could ANet go with this angle to lead us to new content with our tentacle friend?
Wenn i found the Magister in Kaineng Demons came into my mind.
They could even be Void connected, not "our" void, but as creatures made out of the mist (at least according to the wiki) they coud come from apotheke void, from a World in the mists where we failed.
We've seen some rogue elder dragon lieutenants like Glint and (arguably) the Pale tree, where some ritual took place to cleanse them. could the opposite not be true too? What if Soo-Won had a champion before kuunavang who became corrupted.
In Seitung & Kaineng we get Juvenile & Adolescent Leviathans. Could be the Inquest captured one of them or the Adult Version we've yet to see. The Largos have a keen interest in these creatures, so perhaps they are related to the DSM, which I hope is a Kraken, Hydra, Giant Octopus or something else non-dragony. Of course if it is an early Soo Won creation, perhaps she thought it dead or destroyed already when she left the Unending Depths, but then Zhaitan brought it back....???
I would LOVE if they implemented something like this into the story. Don't get me wrong, I liked Soo-Won and her whole concept of being a good elder dragon, but I'm still craving that monstrous and mysterious entity that lurks in the depths and no one truly knows what or where it is.
That could lead us the battle isles or allow to have a big aquatic Map in the middle of the ocean in season 6 ? 7 ?
On the battle isles we can have refugee from the ocean (largos, quaggan, ...)
this makes me feel like i need to read more in game and get up to date with the lore
think we will get soo won/void legendary weapons/armour?
That skeleton looks like the Leviathan meta boss.
WP... are you saying... There's something in the water? Heeeelp!
WP, would like to hear your thoughts about what now of the human god since there is no more elder dragon threats for them?
Here's my thoughts:
1- Its some kind of demon, Not the first time we deal with them but they are very much still a mistery. Dark, evil and powerfull, also unknown enough the writers could do anythng with them.
2- Soo Won isnt an actual elder dragon, as the mother creator maybe she doesnt count as an elder dragon because she is something else, something more. Or perhaps she does count as an ED BUT the terror from the deep is some kind of precursor to the ed's and the other dragons dont know about it, or at least aurene doesnt.
3- Its a part or half of Soo Won, maybe the hunger part of her that is prevelent in the other dragons and for a long time she kept it under control but when she left the depths to aid cantha the evil side got free and started wrecking havoc.
Edi:
4- Perhaps somethign new from the mists, maybe some kthuluesque creature from the mysts. Presumably Soo Won is from the mysts and so are the gods it would be interesting to meet something else from there. The mysts are common thread in the lore and maybe we will start seeing more from there.
May want to explore the Zhaitan connection more
As we've re-contextualised the events of CoE and the blue room, what do we pull from Subject Alpha? Was there mistakes in the Inquest's expierments here. Subject Alpha seems to be missing experiementation from Soo-won afterall? Perhaps this creature would have been a lot worse with all 6 elements and become that of Void ( a subject gamma?). Or Perhaps they were trying to produce their own entity similar to aurene that could filter magic?
Was their experimentation towards Scarlett's greater goal with dragon magic?
With Soo-won gone and Aurene possessing water magic, she could be the next target of the Inquest /Kuda