Kwikset Smart Key Dumb Force Tool - Tactical Lock Picking
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2018
- Lessons were learned, mistakes were made. I was so excited I missed the fact that the instructions did say "Deadbolts" and didn't say doorknobs, but it's still nice to try things to experiment anyways. LOTS of value in today's video for the FIELD APPLICATION of Tactical Lock Picking and the defensive side of home security. Check out the website for the full article.
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Thank you .I thought of making this shortened version of the tool using an old coal chisel until watching this video .
Thx for your time and effort in making the video
Gotta stay up to date with lock lab man!
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You aren’t wrong lol. I’ll be doing a followup video and/or article on this one soon. One of the things I wanted to draw attention to is that when I attended someone elses course they held up this tool and basically said “it’s magic, it always works” and I wanted to show that lock pick and entry tools DO NOT always work (especially with things like factory patch updates and different makes models etc). Thanks for the feedback!
The original version of that tool had a solid steel key blank rather than the two piece design, haven't been able to find it recently though. When raking those you really have to use a rake that closely mirrors the bitting . I usually start with bogotas going from single peak ,double and triple( varying the depth and angle with a slight elliptical brushing motion and reset between attempts), then on to the monserrat and sabanas , followed by the queen/king and knight/rook sets. It's a lot like using jigglers, just using light tensioning top of the keyway.
I love it! Awesome fucking comment!
Thanks for the video. I was in the process of making one…drilled $45 dollars to get in and rekeyed the rest.
Thanks! Appreciate the information. I just saw a comment about time they thought was lost watching this. I think they missed the point.
When these came out we just hammered a flatblade screwdriver into the keyway and forced them open. Luckily now I have a large collection of spare cylinders so I can fix the customers knob after breaking their lock.
Moves from Snap-on to black and decker quite a change my friend
It's called, use what you have and whatever gets the job done
Thank you for the lesson you and each of us learned! Seems the tool falls a bit short for the scope
of locksmithing, the art of entry without damage, so I won't be buying. I do enjoy seeing
anything on this difficult design! I believe Major mfg makes a tool that better forces this design. Model KTT-4
Well the first lock is really easy to open them as you can see on the sides of those locks exists a pair of of small clips o somethin like that ok grab a 5/8 or smaller schredriver so pick those wit a tiny hit so the cap will go off an the with an small wire introduce the point from the sides and ltry to move the wire inside the lock and when you hear a click the lock will be open so retire the wire and turn on the knob you will see the door will be open.
The lock isn't bad, A couple of years ago I had taken a lock course. Now most locks I can get in in under a minute. Believe it or not, most locks can be entered in less than 30 seconds.
Great video though!
Thanks for your video.
I think they made it to break off like that to prevent force opening it like it used to be done on older versions.
I try to order one. They won't sell it where you get it at
Are there "dumb force" tools for Schlage and other locks besides the Kwikset?
Thank you for your video
Might help when raking if you tensioned it the right way. When bumping you tensioned your bump key clockwise and when raking you tensioned counterclockwise. But what do I know???
Thank you for showing
For bumping man, get a set of bump cushions or castration rings and shave the bow on your bump key down a bit to make space. It allows you to bump much faster and better than having to reset it every time.
Works a lot better in the commercial!
I know on the quick-set smart locks with the lever for entry you can flip the levers in order to get the lock to be upright by simply removing a horseshoe type pin rotating the tumbler the right way up then putting the Horseshoe pin back the same direction which could be upside down. On some of the doorknob Style you can do the same application
P Mag Good feedback! Thanks!!!
You can use a kwikset tool to flip the keyway, It is bump proof, you need to tension the side bar to pick the lock
The smart lock is in it 5th revision, the Dumb force tool only works on the first rev. locks.
Yeah the Dumb Force tool doesn't work beyond gen 1 Smart key locks. Gen 2 has a differently designed sidebar and the material behind the cap is cast metal. So trying to force a gen 2 will yield what happened in this video. Gen 3 Smart key locks have been updated again. This tool won't work on them either.
Awesome! Glad to hear that. I just bough a Kwikset Smartkey set, then saw this "dumb fucking force tool" or whever the hell it's called. I'm glad they're keeping up on it.
You could also hit the lock down and use a °90 hook to de engage the lock
Kwikset updated there lock to prevent this force technique
Is that what the modification the the sidebar was for? Or how did they fix that?
iv found if u just take some key blanks uncut and a pair of pliers ,you just need to work the key back and forth and it works,dont try turning it a steady one way
My ex boyfriend would rob houses and he’d kick the residential door open. Hearing a thump as opposed to a crash of glass is a lot less suspicious.
I managed to pick an upside down Kwikset lock with a paper clip (hammered into a single diamond rake) and a tiny screwdriver in about 10 minutes. The 2nd time in about 5.
There's a way to bypass it. Removing the sleeve partially from the knob. It only moves quarter inch. The cover sleeve tou manipulate the lock mechanism inside . You dont need to drill and destroy.
Mike Carr Thanks! Already working on that project! Will post results soon.
Sorry - Thank you for heads up
Hell, one good kick and you don't need a key.
With picking you tensioned it the wrong way. If I'm right you turn the key to the right, not the left😂. So you tension it to the right.
Oh, and by the way, your lock looks perfectly fine. In the Netherlands we have all the locks oriented this way.. America has it upside down tho! 😉😁
What knife is that? Looks like the Spyderco ROC.
Sure is! One of my favorites.
What tools is it??
Guess you didnt hear that Kwikset redesigned the smartkey so the force tools shouldnt work on them anymore.. The Cylinder pull still does though if you are care to not break the Quick pull key..
Beat me to it. Best reply on here
Where did you see/hear/read/watch that? I believe you, just want more info.
I agree 100%
Being a carpenter, I notice on many doors, the hinges being faced outside. This is something to look for before you even attempt picking the lock. With a simple hammer and screwdriver you can pop those pins out from the hinges and easily pry the door open from the hinged side. Just something to look for,,,,
Thats great except residential doors swing in and so the pins are on the inside of the home.
@@TheQwikset Your absolutely right, I see this done on many garages and sheds, for whatever reason, just something to keep in your pocket, you will be surprised once you begin looking,,,
I installed a door with the hinges out. They had a protrusion that fits into the other half of the hinge making it impossible to open the door without hinge pins.
@@TheQwikset..well no..outswing door..don't go in.. so the pins are on the outside..not inside..
@@dkenny sorry Dave. Residential pre hung exterior doors swing in. Hinges are inside. Only commercial doors swing out. This door is clearly an interior door and it swings out so the hinges are on the outside.
Thanks for this video, sorry you lost 300 bucks but it has changed my mind about purchasing one
That sure wasn't wasted money at this end. I most definitely will not be getting one of those tools.
Cheers
John Hunter happy to help, that’s why I do it!
John Hunter I used to have one and it worked about 3 years ago.
Haven't been in the field since then but I think that Kwikset upgraded the internal components, especially the sliders.
I have the Ben-Jim M.P.G.ET., Multipurpose Goverment Entry Tool. Its just a fancy name for an under-door-tool and quite fragile.
It can manipulate handles, knobs deadbolts and pushbars if you have enough clearance under the door. IMHO its too stiff for handles and it can break easely. Plus 850 bucks is a steep price for a couple rods which connect with a twist lock.
I still prefer decoding locks and non-destructive entry, so for the smart key I recommend the smart key decoder. You can visually decode each cut by scoping the sliders through the keyhole.
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Mario Marin if you want to come on the podcast and chat about lock picking (or anything else) feel free to let me know! I’m phasing into doing more interviews in the future :)
The face keeps coming off because the force that ur putting on the lock is only being put on the first couple millimeters, u need something that goes in to the end of the lock all in one peace instead of putting in a blank key than the torque bit and then putting all the force on the bit and the face of the lock basically a torque bit that is in the shape of a maybe a key or something like that and u put that in then u use the wrench on that this way u are putting all the force on the lock from the front to the back all at once
This was eight minutes I'll never get back again...
Did you not just turn the tool the wrong direction the first time? As an European I have no experience with these locks, but it looks like you're trying to bump the knob clockwise, but pick and force it counter-clockwise.
Terrence Koeman from what I’ve come to learn the company has put in a feature to prevent this from happening, I must have bought an upgraded door knob.
Kwikset? Hammer dent (not large, nickle size from ball peen) the knob outside then jiggle the handle let and right, it will unlock then you open.
Yes somebody did this to me and I figured out why then I got rid of all Kwiksets in my house.
Can you explain this a little further please?
Quickset made a change on the sidebar in these locks. They squared the edges for a better bite. They also made that front part of the plug to shear like you experienced. The old style could easily be opened with a screwdriver and a hammer. Give them credit, they made the necessary improvements. I’m still not a fan of them because they can’t be mastered, which is the majority of my work..
pjdambra Kwikset is $hit and are a disgrace to the "Lock " industry. All of them. Junk. -CRL in VA
I read a comment, use a drill. Ok, Ok I'm a Locksmith. I drill the junk heaps all the time. But, if a person goes and drills the pin stack like a standard pin tumbler lock, your screwed. However, this tool would make it easier to drill. On the side with the rest hole, is a hardened ball bearing. Once the breathing is out of the way, the remaining part of the sidebar turns into a giant marshmallow.... Well, not literally of course.
So what difference does it make if the keyway is pins down? BosnianBill says American locksmiths and locksport enthusiasts have a more difficult time picking them because it requires a different "skill set", which I found preposterous and I've only been picking locks for 2 weeks lol. For me, it's much easier to pick down than up. 🤷🏻♂️
So what difference would it actually make? The standard Kwikset knob on my back door has the keyway with pins down, also. The lock still functions correctly. So? Would it make any difference mechanically? Or is it more just personal preference?
Sidenote: I only pick locks that I own that are not currently in use. No funny stuff here.
Kwikset door locks cost like under 20 bucks so (cheap). They have plastic internals I would put then inside the house but not on entry doors.
not that I ever seen.. all metal..unless you aren't talk about the rekey type..
Silly question, why not just pick the cylinder?
Fillup 40 I wasn’t as familiar with this make/model lock as I could have been. It’s not a “standard” pin tumbler lock. There are a few other details that prevent standard raking/picking.
A good pair of stilsons will open nearly any knob set.
I barely ever see these locks in the UK and when I do they're on internal doors.
Greg Allen Never been to the UK but I keep hearing about a few big differences from here and there. Thanks for the comment!
@@UncensoredTactical there are 2 main types of door here: upvc, which uses a euro cylinder with a multi point locking system and wooden doors with night latches and mortice locks. It is increasingly popular for the former to be fitted with either a 2* handle and 1* cylinder or a 3* cylinder (personally I'd fit a 3* cylinder with a 2* handle). These 3* cylinders are rated to protect against picking, bumping, snapping, drilling, screwing & provably other attacks I'm not aware of. The upvc doors vary hugely in quality. The wooden doors also vary hugely in quality and the locks people put on them vary from bog standard Yale type (please rob me) to high security (www.banham.co.uk/doorlocks/). In the UK we have a standard (BS3621) which is accepted by insurance companies. You could easily spend a few grand on a door and locks but that door would probably withstand a sledge hammer attack for over 15 mins.
Good to see people checking how good locks actually are 👍🏻
pop the center out lift the bottom ring undo the scrose
Agreed
Upside down locks can be a pain, because it's easy to over set. Obviously you gravity working against you, pushing the key pins past the cylinder.
The "key" is a lot of tension and a lot of patience. It'll go eventually. Bitch picking works best (random single pin picking)
If you don't have enough tension, the key pins will fall past the cylinder
Use the new tool that's out works well
you need the long version of the force tool ... or a proper (thinner .020") rake ... and practice with how to use a rake. 2 methods that will open these in an under a minute every time
Do you have a video to share?
i come across cheap lock hard to open some time
A suitable size screwdriver a hammer and a wrench to help turn the screwdriver has done the same job well for years no need for useless special tools.
What did you expect with a device that exerts brute force?????
Good video. If you want to get into a house. Drill and saw around the locks. Or just kick in the door or window. Spend your money on security camera and a gun. Cheap locks keep honest person out.
So what is the most bomb proof locks?
You do not need the most bomb proof lock. You need a strong multi lock door and frame (preferably metal), a reasonably secure lock like Evva 4K or Abloy, that is extremely hard to pick and impossible to bump, and a high security door handle that block it from drilling etc.. That is if you live in a 2nd, 3rd etc floor apartment. If it is a house with ground floor windows, just forget about it, buy a good Euro 3-4 grade safe for valuables and irreplaceable family stuff, a modern wireless alarm system and a good home insurance.
@@MsSashbar thanks for the reality check. I appreciate it. It's true that it's a waste of money if there's so many other ways to get in.
Dude just returned the broken one & get a new one say it was busted
I need to fill it all the way don’t work
NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE PROBLEM IS.
HOWEVER THEE ANSWER TO THIS SIMPLE PROBLEM IS IN PLAIN 👁️👁️ !
An easy defeat for the quickset model of these smartkey locks for the deadbolt from the outside is to gently pry the faceplate away from around the keyway. There is a structial weakness in the design that the interior long screws thay hold the lock together can actually be manipulated because quickset designed it so the holes are actually all the way through and accessible from the outside. You can literally with gentle pressure from a powerdrill (without actually drilling out the screws) push against the long screws and have it completely walk itself out the inside and pop out on the floor inside the door. Then literally disassemble the lock manipulate the latch/bolt from the outside and boom you're inside. You open the door pop the faceplate back on the outside facing deadbolt screw the lock back together get paid.
Locksmith here. Done this many times on the deadbolts, you want to use a 3/16 inch drill bit and apply steady pressure, and judt like you said, it will back the screws out instead of drilling through them. Ive even done it on the electronic version (got lucky that time)
Kwikset fix this problem
Not once, but three, lol
I am a Locksmith and I whenever I come across a properly installed Smart key knobset thats locked up I just pop the cylinder out by brute prying and replace the cheap thing. A $20 knob is cheaper than paying me $90 per hour to manipulate the thing. Ends up costing the customer less and saving my knees and sometimes fingers in the winter. A freezing customer never complains about quick service that costs less. Customers expect fast entry when calling. All those Hollywood actors picking (UNLOCKED) doors really impress ppl. lol
Flip C Thanks for the locksmith insight! When I posted this I didn’t do enough homework on it but mostly wanted to show that the tool’s marketing doesn’t always match reality. People that sell that tool make it sound like it’s magic and don’t explain that it doesn’t work on updated knobs.
Hard to call yourself an “intermediate” lock picker if you can’t pick a kwickset deadbolt bro. Lol
and a tool like that needs to be made from titanium
Kwikset knobs, except maybe the older Titan series, can be forced open in less than a minute. Those in the business probably know the technique already. I won't list it on a public forum as it is far easier than anything shown so far. I have not tried it on an old Titan lock but it will probably work with the SmartKey version.
These are secretly wafer locks which is why a lot of standard stuff doesn't work. Zipping supposedly works?
Cerberous Wafers?! I had heard that mentioned before. How did I miss that!
Cerberous it is made with brass pins (all same hight) which have another little pin connected to them. This side pin locks into one of 6 positions on the slider. There are 5 pins and five sliders in a smartkey lock. You can view (scope) each slider through the keyhole and decode the positions.
Uncensored Tactical more like a wafered sidebar lock (think U-Change). The Gen3 (Uptown and Downtown models) fix most of the brute force issues.
Bypass or force tool will only work on early generation smart keys. Otherwise use your rotary pick and replace that trash.
Locklab.com has a new tool to for 40bucks and u get in with in secs
Adrian Guerrero already in the shopping cart. Thanks for the feedback! Excited to try it!
Adrian Guerrero - only if it’s a knob lock. For deadbolts it’s useless
Only good for lowest grade kwikset locks. Any good locksmith should be able to pick those locks anyways.
Picking smart key cylinders takes time they are not pins the cylinders have little teeth like finger pins with false gates and true gates if one of our field technicians has to work on a lock out we drill the cylinders and replace any damaged hardware for the unfortunate customer
Rusty Shackleford - Just not worth the time to even attempt to pick these locks. And let me know when find a lock that will keep a thief out. Locks keep good people honest. And that’s about it.
if you want brute force, get a 24 inch pipe wrench and just destroy the lock.
That is too funny . I / We discourage customers from buying these locks at all costs . I just replace them with Schlage or something similar. It's amazing how many customers call us out to re-key there smart Lock . It's a useless product in my humble opinion
"upside down"? that's right side up, at least for europe ;)
T3rminat0r The reason it’s upside down for Locksmith‘s is because when the springs and top pins are at the bottom of the lock(upside down), moisture collects and rusts those parts. This eventually makes the key useless and the door knob nearly impossible to pick.
in europe, euro-cylinders are mostly mounted in the door, and not the knob, to partially mitigate against that, yea
Neato
My magic tool is a size 11.5 combat boot....
Phckng Goofy69 Have you ever kicked in an outward opening door? ...asking for a friend.
Wow wdh not butibg dat gadget
U know the dumb force tool is made to destroy the lock to open them
Might as well just drill if you're going to force over Smart Key locks.
technosasquatchfilms while you’re not wrong, it depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. One of the main reasons I shot this video was that in some professional training I was told that this tool alway works. I was happy to record some failures here to show that you should be aware of when tools and techniques might not work in the field.
Took me awhile to realize this was a joke. Good one
how much this video costs. hope you'll make your $ back.
I won't be back...
That was funny
Your tension wrench was on the wrong side of the lock to start wit,for picking. Kwikset were easy to pick when i was in the game 40yrs ago
your poor spyderco 😭
I kinda thought that looked like a gerber flat iron. I could be wrong.
looking at the way you try to pick that lock, you have no idea how to pick a lock.
Yeah not to brag but I was able to pick this exact type with a paper clip (hammered into a rake) and a small screwdriver. I've been meaning to order some "real" lock picks, but I guess I'm doing ok with my own tools.
That wasn't the proper under the door tool. They make one for knobs
Walking deadbolts doesn’t work with good locks
Esta persona es chanta todo lo ase por dentro para que
Do... Do you even *know* how a pin tumbler lock works?
Benjie Smith....... the last tool appears to try and sear the pin?.?.?.?LOL. Destructive way to open lock, I would guess.
I have a magic tool called a drill...
xephael - wow. How long does it take you on average to drill though a pin tumbler doorknob or deadbolt?
And that's why your not really a locksmith. Also any locksmith that uses this tool for general locksmithing calls should be ashamed. In my opinion this tool is for law enforcement of some other entity that needs in quick and quiet.
father we are here
Uncensored Tactical It can take 5-10 minutes depending. Just go for the screws. No hardened steel plate to take off like the Schlage b60 either. Even that is easy to pry off with a chisel but the stock sc1 cylinder is usually easy to pick.
@@TheQwikset if it worked. As it stands its for people who collect door knob key hole covers lol
Pop that cylinder out with a pickle fork and turn it right side up. Kwikset never said it's alright to have it upside down. And you're writing a book????
And in the second take, you had the latch installed backwards.
The instruction sheet included with the lock does indeed say that the upside down cylinder is OK. I still removed the cylinder and flipped it correctly.
Single pin picking for this is THE WAY TO GO for this lock - for sure. Here is a video of the LPL picking two of them and rather quickly... czcams.com/video/Ooq7FlSVlPw/video.html While it is "pick resistant" - it is by no means pick proof. You just gotta practice more on your traditional single picking methods. LPL makes it look so easy but there is so much involved in what he is doing. PERSONALLY I think the 300 dollar tool which uses a mini camera you can use to decode it and then make a fresh key is the coolest way to go with these kwik smart key locks :P But the damn thing is out of stock from the sites I tried looking at them for (go figure).
those are simple to bump, rake and spp takes about 19 seconds to spp and less to rake or bitch pick and bumping the correct way is extremely effective I don't understand why you had such a difficult time there's even a tool made just for that lock that is less than 20 bucks stay away from all kwikset garbage for 300 you can get a real lock that's secure like multilock or assa abloy or even medeco that professional lock pickers have a hard time with don't waste money on crap like kwikset or any other walmart/home depot "high security" bs
What a mess of a video!
Peter M Seriously!
You would of had better luck using a 12 Gauge shotgun with a Slug in it.
Молотком по ручке и не надо никаких отмычек. Как можно ставить такие не надёжные замки?
Сам удивляюсь...
Wafer?