Stage 2 Harley-Davidson - Powervision vs. Fuelpak 3
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Dynojet power vision tuning for Harley-Davidson Road Glide Special.
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After running the Vance & Hines FP3 for about 2500 miles since the S&S 475 cam install, I decided and was persuaded that it’s now time to upgrade to the Power Vision....Man o man what a difference. Alas, the power is there thru the whole powerband, but don’t fret I still kept the FP3 since it will serve a whole other purpose.
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The PV has plenty of gauges for you to choose from, and you can monitor a whole lot more from its screen. Also, it's water resistant, so you can use it in the rain as well. Mine is on my bike permanently. It can also read and clear error codes, and you can use it on other bikes for monitoring and error codes, just not for tuning. It doesn't do Bluetooth though, so you'll need to run the cable from the port to the handlebars.
Important to note that both the FP3 and the PV2 use the existing H-D hardware including the narrowband oxygen sensors. You can get the Target Tune module for the PV2, and the Fuel Pack Pro for the FP3. The PV2 is more expensive than the FP3, and the Fuel Pack Pro is more expensive than the Target Tune. Ultimately the V&H and the Dynojet systems come to about the same price.
Regardless of which tuning system you get, get it properly dyno tuned. That way you can get the engine dialed in under controlled circumstances, and you have an expert making manual adjustments to smooth out the performance of the engine.
Just ordered my PV from fuelmoto. My 18 FLHC with HD 447 cam seems to be so limited with the EPA crap tuner from harley. Thanks for the vid man, you broke it down barney style for me. Shiny side up dude!
Your welcome. Glad i could help. Deuces ✌🏼
Finally an honest review with first hand experience with both products 🤙
Thank you and thanks for watching. Deuces ✌🏼
I keep getting codes for rich front and rear with the FP3. My power vision will be here tomorrow and hopefully it ends the bs. Thanks for the video
Iv used the power vision for about 7 years now. Iv gone from stage 1 to stage 4 and its been awsome through the whole time. I have the 18mm wide band sensors on it. The only way to go, short of a dyno.
Great video!
I switch from fp3 to power vision too with a fuel moto tune, stage 1. difference was night and day. now I have ordered a cam, let's see how it will be ..
If you feel it on a stage 1, let's see on a stage 2, did you get the cam now? wich one?
i got the redshift 468
I’m in the same boat. I have an FP3 and S&S 475 cam. The FP3 runs like garbage. Pops, sputters and backfires. Tried several maps from V&H and also did the auto tune multiple times. Finally got V&H tech to tell me that it’s not meant to be run with modified bikes. Will be ordering a PV this week.
It a bummer to go thru all that only to find out it won't work. They just released the new PV so I'm betting there are some huge improvements over an already working system. Deuces ✌
What bike are you running it on?
@@dudeonutubez3097 2019 Road Glide Special
2020 Roadglide. Had the PV for a month now, runs great, no issues.
Tuning a m8 is hard to get them to feel right to me. I went with a wide band auto tuner with stage 2 kit. Bike finally feels right.
Nice video!!
Thank you
Dang kinfolk that looks like it is getting after it! That power vision looks like the way to go brother. Great job keep it up🤙🍻
So far 250 miles in I’m still impressed with every twist of the throttle. Besides the power curve gained by going with PV I feel little more at ease that the engine is getting what it needs. Deuces ✌🏼
I put a power vision on my 2011 heritage along with new cobra true dual exhaust and it is amazing!
I was really impressed. Especially since I was having issues with my cam and the V&H tuning. I’m sure if I had given it more time and more autotuning maybe it would have worked out but I didn’t have patience for it.
@@PaulOnTheRun the throttle response is freaken crazy. Waaaaaay better than stock and the air fuel mix is obviously better too. The lean condition out of the factory is stupid....my next move is a new big sucker Air cleaner
@@walterceresi4137 you ain’t lying. That took a quick second to get use to!!!
Your videos are great thanks for helping out
Your welcome.
You can plug your pv and mount it up on the bike and get everything you’re getting from the fuel pack and more all from that display
Yes true. I do put it in my Ciro phon holder but I don’t like having another device mounted to the my bike which is why I like the FP3 for that reason. I use my cell phone and that’s it’s. FP3 for tech and PV for tuning IMO. Deuces ✌🏼
My 2018 Heritage is currently EPA with the screamin eagle tuner and autotune along with torque447 cam, true dual fishtails. Runs good but not great. Was on the fence about the FP3 and the PV but your video made me choose. Going to hit fuel moto up this week. Thanks!!
Awesome. Glad I could help you decide. Deuces ✌🏼
Bet your bike doesn't run or smell like shit either. Start adding other shit you compromise everything from your warranty to if your bike willbe reliable.to ride
Hell yeah Brother! Glad you bought it from fuel moto cause those boys do some good work. I run a king Pak now but I agree that chopped Pak looks amazing on there.
Man me too! I just can't believe how much better it feels. The tune also dropped my average temps by about 20 degrees. Deuces ✌
They have a Powervision 4 now that is Bluetooth. I wonder if it is as good as the regular Powervision. If it is, it might be the best of both worlds.
Sounds great!
Your video is much appreciated. The comparison is what most viewers want to see.
One thing wasn’t made clear, do u have stock header pipe with cats? And if so do you feel like it runs fine like that? Or are you getting a header pipe with no cats
Your welcome. Decatted stock header pipe.
Great video. Thanks.
Stage 2 is a screaming eagle package. Aftermarket upgrades are exactly that aftermarket upgrades.
Hey there...great vid. Just wondering where you picked up your shield for your open face helmet. I Googled it and can't find any flat shields. Just the bubble ones . Thx
It’s a Bell 500 Retro I believe. Have you checked eBay? That’s where I found mine.
Did you replace spark plugs before you installed the new tuner??
I had the FP3 and it was fine for stage one, but not for stage two. V&H sent map after map and It would not run right. I got the PV tuner from Fuel Moto and it’s soooo much better.
Yes!!! For real! I’ve put about 300 miles on the bike since I got the PV and I still can’t believe it. Thanks for watching!! Deuces ✌️
@@PaulOnTheRun Well I just finished installing the ss 475c cam and using the Fp3 . Bike sounds good AF but doesn't run well with the map that VH sent. I saw your video and I am sold. Just placed order from fuel moto for the PV. Wish me luck! BTW we have similar set ups...vivid black, modified stock exhaust and bassani dnts....Thanks!
@@montyhopeful your gonna love it. World of difference. Be sure to flash your bike back to the stock map using the FP3 then load the new map from Fuel Moto provided to you on the PV and thanks for watching and I’m glad I could help. Deuces ✌️
You said your bike produces 124ft. Lbs of tourqe the 114 puts out 119 out of the crate so how much did you pay to get 5 ft lbs?
Moving to s&s 475 on my FLRT 114ci. I also have the fp3 and was worried about it with the cam upgrade. Thanks for this video! BTW what half helmet is that?
Your welcome. Dynojet just released a newer version of the Power Vision so check it out and get it. You won't regret it. I recommend you hit up Fuel Moto. Jamie over there will get you a real good tune, preload it, ship it, and you'll have free lifetime maps thru them no matter how many times you change your setup. Just be sure to save your order # in a safe place. That helmet is a 3/4 Bonanza helmet from Biltwell. Deuces ✌
Nice video. Way to be a realist.
Thank you. I try to be a realist about a lot of things. Especially products like this.
So I thought of going power jet cause I realized, oh damn I can't be connected to my Bluetooth speakers and fp3 at the same time so i can see all the engine performances on my phone while riding. Is that true? One or another? Also that powervision doesn't have that option on that screen they offer?? That's crazy, that's why I was gonna go power vision, so I can Bluetooth to my speakers n still have my engine stuff on the provision. That seems kind of dumb provision doesn't offer that. I just got intake and slip ons so I went fp3. I like the idea of being able to see engine performance
@@bookieyadigg what phone do you have? Most phones these days can easily handle multiple Bluetooth connections. You’d have to have a pretty old phone on old Bluetooth technology to not be able to stream your music and monitor simultaneously.
Ooohh okay. Sweeet. Good thing I went ahead and just did fp3.
I'm still surprised the PV doesn't offer that on their screen. Weird for that price point
Great video. Thanks.
Where did you get that face shield?
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mine comes tomorrow, no cams yet will be next. tossing the fp3 in the trash
I disagree, I have the FP3 for a stage 1 setup on a 2019 SGS and the tune V&H gave me pings really bad under heavy throttle and has bad flat spots from 2300-4000. PV for the win either way. Got mine on order.
Scotty Scott Scott!!!! before I had cams it worked pretty decent for me but it just couldn't handle the cam.
It's all about getting it dialed in properly. The PV2 is a much more serious bit of kit compared to the FP3, but get some WBO2 sensors on it, and get it professionally dyno tuned, and both can achieve the same results. It's just that Dynojet is supported by pretty much 99.9% of all dyno tuners, and the FP3 by about 2%.
If you're starting from scratch, I'd recommend going with the Dynojet PV2. If you already have an FP3, try to find a tuner who has the Fuel Pack Pro.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 The @FuelMoto tuned PowerVision us the bomb! Works great!
After V&H sent you that last map, did they suggest running an auto-tune? Did you try the Throttle Progressivity feature? If you still had flat spots in your powerband, there are ways you could manually adjust the VE, A/F and spark advance tables. I have an FP3 on my '14 Limited with a Stage 2 and I am happy with how the bike performs with the canned map for my setup and after running an autotune. Having said that, I think I will try the Power Vision on my '20 Heritage Classic 114 after the warranty runs out, though I really do like that the FP3 has Bluetooth capability. Anyway, I'm glad you were able to realize improvements in your bike's performance. It looks like you were having a blast! ✌🏻
I didn’t touch to much on the VE & A/F values because mainly I didn’t want to screw anything up and I hadn’t quite done as much homework on that but another factor that really convinced me was the dealer/indie support on dynos should something get a little array. I’m still using my FP3 but just for monitoring data. I really love that Bluetooth capability. Deuces ✌🏼
Hey mate, were there maps for your cam to flash in the fp3? Or did you have to send the map to Vance and Hines? Was hoping tee was a canned map so I could just do it myself. Thanks
Hello,
I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I have a 2019 road glide also, 107 rinehart 4.5 slip-ons, arlen ness monster sucker air cleaner, and a fp3 for a tuner. In the garage I have an S&S 475c cam chest kit, and a krome werks aggressor head pipe that I have not installed yet. I live in Florida, and I'm waiting for the weather to cool off before doing the install. I'm planning on using a power vision after the install of the pipe and cam chest kit. Do you monitor your engine temps with your fp3? On a 95 degree day, at interstate speeds for 10 miles or more, I see engine temps of 310-316 degrees. Seems hot, but my oil temp stays around 215. Did you notice a engine temp drop after the pv tune from fuel moto? What kind of temps are you seeing? Good video btw.
At the beginning all I did was watch those temps. I can run between 290-315. I didn’t see much of a temp difference between the two but what really freaked me out is when I first installed it I had those lower fairings on and I would see temps like in the 345 range. That didn’t make me feel good. So during the summer months I lose those entirely to keep the engine temps down. On average I see 290 temps.
I've heard nothing but good things about the power vision, I can tell you like it,lol,
I'm at about 200 miles on the power vision now and I'm still surprised at the drastic difference. For sure though, I'm glad I went this direction. Deuces ✌
@@PaulOnTheRun yeah I've been watching you, I'll probably end up doing the same thing that you have done,my only thing is I'm still undecided if I want the S&S cam or the Zippers kit
@@OZARKSHDRIDERS It makes me feel good to spend other peoples money for them!!! hahaha!!! So many options out there. I wish I had the money and bikes to try all kinds of cams.
@@PaulOnTheRun I hear ya man, same here ✌🏼💯
On your FP3 did you set your throttle response to race and even that you noticed a big upgrade from FP3 to PV about throttle response ? Right now I got the FP3 on my twin cam 103 stage 2 and I’m pretty happy with it but after seing your video with the result you got I’m kind of wondering if it will make that much of difference about the overall performance.
My biggest gripe was the FP3 not being able to handle the bottom end tuning. Having the throttle response set to race does put that power out when you want it but that doesn’t fix a bad tune.
Awesome video! What bars you running?
Thank you. I’m running the 13” Apes from Road 6 Customs.
What helmet brand and visor is that???
never mind.. found it.
Biltwill and a Bell retro visor.
want to hear something nuts take it to a good tuner and he'll get another 10% out of it and make sure it's a healthy tune for longevitl
You down in southwest Houston? I’m up in the woodlands.
I’m over in Katy.
@@PaulOnTheRun roger that, I’m new to Harley, looking for someone to ride with. 2018 Breakout 114, it’s a freakin blast to whip around town.
You do know that you can mount the PV and monitor just like you are doing with the FP3..
Yes. I actually put it in my Ciro3D phone mount but I don’t like it being tethered in with the cable. Which is why hands down V&H wins in my book when it comes to tech but that’s all though.
Great video. I have S2 currently with HD SE tuner. Now, my warranty ran out, I am able to go pv Tuner. Question I have is that with auto tune option for HD tuner, would I still able to use the auto tuner with PV or not?
The PV has an auto tuning mode but it’s only to fine tune. You’ll engage it and when you run the bike for 20-30 minutes you then load that map and then turn off the auto tune. I hope this answered you question I was having a hard time understanding your question. Deuces ✌🏼
@@PaulOnTheRun actually no... thanks for the reply, perhaps my question wasn't clear, I have currently have auto tuner that married with HD tuner. My question was once I install power vision tuner, do I need to remove existing auto tuner with HD or keep it as it is. The HD auto tuner required to use bigger o2 sensor on exhaust pipe.
@@paulson9616 ok now I understand. On that part I’m not too sure. Everything tells me that the two won’t marry together but you might want to ask the experts. Reach out Fuel Moto. I’m sure they have an answer.
Does your GoPro max stay solid on that extension mount? I have one kinda like it but not quite that one and mine still has some movement tightened all the way down
I did just recently switch to a 3” and it seems to be a little more solid than the 6”.
Hey bro. You mentioned sputtering with the FP3 after cam install. I just did the S&S 475 kit install and I’m having the same sputtering at low RPMs. I have the Screaming eagle pro street tuner and having issues getting the bike dialed in. Did the sputtering go away right after the power vision?
Yes. But I do recommend you contact Fuel Moto because they do a bang up job at getting the right tune for you. I did run one auto tune but for me that was more just fine tuning thru the whole power band. They now have a newer Power Vision as well.
@@PaulOnTheRun cool bro i will contact them once I receive the tuner. I believe I got the new one as I do have a 2021 Roadglide with the new Delphi ECM. I appreciate the help man. And also your CZcams videos were extremely helpful when doing the cam install. Great job! 👍🏼
@@carlosvalle5104 your welcome and I appreciate it. Always here to help. Deuces ✌🏼
Did the bike needed a new map after you installed the new cam before the power vision mapping in this video?
It does. First I mapped with the FP3 but then moved to a Power Vision.
@@PaulOnTheRun To be fair, the performance gains are most likely down to the Fuel Moto tune, not the PV2 perse. Fuel Moto know how to tune bikes. V&H looks at the data and makes adjustments based on that, but since the bike runs off of narrowband O2 data, the new values are more like guess work than an accurate science. Fuel Moto has had many of these builds on their dyno at one time or another.
It sounds like the placibo effect. When I wash my car, it somehow runs better
It may be but placebo can’t change that bottom end and the FP3 just couldn’t handle that cam on the take off. It would constantly sputter but not with the Power Vision.
Technically washing your car does make it run better. A clean car is more aerodynamic.
What's your mixture reading at 70 to 80 mph?
Not to sure but I'll have to check it out one day.
Power vision can monitor plenty of items from your bike. No need to put the fuelpack back on
Yes. But not wirelessly and I don’t want a PowerVision mounted to my bars all the time. Not sure if the newest one does it now though.
@@PaulOnTheRun The newest one does use an app on your phone like the fuelpack
@@jordantserghanos2604 I think you just influenced the influencer. I may have to check it out.
Buying both would be a waste of money, both interfaces won't read the others map.
I agree. With that said I would never buy both but I’d tried to find the silver lining of owning both after each not doing exactly what I wanted. One’s interface is great while the other tunes better. I guess you can’t have it all. Deuces ✌🏼
You're wearing the gayest helmet ever...
And?
They can’t leave me behind since I’m rocking my fat bob 114 stock 🫣😈
Bro I can’t take you serious with this 🪖