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Music Production - How To Get A Great Snare Sound on Your Recordings
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2016
- In this episode I will show you how to get a great snare sound on your recordings. I discuss tuning, snare length, how to dampen overtones, rimshot verses center hits and how to mic the snare for the best sound.
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I really enjoy how you focused on the mechanics side of the recording and the drums rather than the mixing side. It shows that it has more to do with the instrument than the way it's mixed. Something I'm trying to convey to my band mates. In music, you can't polish a turd.
LOL! Rigby Otto is the closed caption translation of your name. Gold.
Seb Warren Music hilarious
So I dig out my Shinedown CD, look at the back, " *produced by Rick Beato", cool! Thanks for the great vids!!
Cool! Most people think I play the piano and teach theory. Haha! I always have people writing to me saying I had no idea you were a producer :)
Rick Beato to be honest your set up and equipment should speak for itself
You don't have to listen to too many until it shows up ... "I did this for so-and-so on their record" ... but some people I guess don't pay much attention? It's actually the one thing that made me interested in the first place. I've produced one record ... wish I could do it as "work" ;-)
Great Vid...Sir you seem to be one of the only Pro's on CZcams , who are actually teaching us relevant information on production techniques in an organized and concise manner, without any name dropping or BS. Thank you for sharing...
+James Saldana thanks James!
The most badass name he could drop would be his own sooooo....there’s really no point in that
You can also modulate the pitch of a rimshot depending on where you hit (and how thick that portion of the stick is)...doesn’t always have to be dead center. One of my prouder moments in my old band was I switched from a lower (center) rimshot to a higher one for different sections of the song based on the harmony of different sections. I don’t know if anyone ever noticed but it sounded a lot better to me.
"It's got a lot of Bonham end" 11:11
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Great content on this channel! Drummers with limited budgets: placing a full sheet of regular printer paper on your snare head will also work if you literally have nothing to dampen your snare. Just lay it right in the middle. Add another sheet or 2 if you want more dampening. Again, this is the cheapest, last resort method, but it works.
The Beatle’s “HELP!” seems to be the most obvious example of a Beatle’s Snare tuned to the tonic “A”. Very cool.
Oh man, you produced Needtobreathe's The Reckoning. I Love this record. Amazing Job, Congrats!
I wish this was out many moons ago. Over 30 years to figure out a lot of this. But not some of the finer details. Great knowledge and communication.
Thanks, great info, especially tuning the snare wire to the tempo of the song.
Don't be afraid to throw it intentionally out of tune, too! That can also work depending on the song. It seems to makes it pop through more as opposed to blending in with the rest of the mix, but again it really depends on t he song. Tends to work better with a short decay too I've noticed.
I really like your videos, your personnality and authenticity. You will help a lot of musicians in the process. Thank you!
Hitting consistent rim shots is all in the positioning of the snare. The snare should be set so that a well-practiced stroke (like a full Moeller Stroke) always lands as a rim shot. This takes the guess work out of the rim shot allowing the drummer to effortlessly play rim shots (I've been drumming for 18 years). Unfortunately, it's too late to develop this once the drummer is in the studio, but it might be something worth mentioning if the drummer is hitting inconsistent rim shots and doesn't have a fragile ego (yeah, right).
If rim shots are inconsistent in the studio, better to try to convince the drummer to avoid rimshot at all in my opinion. Very delicate matter, highlighting drummer deficiencies during recording can be a session destroyer thing...
That was probably the most comprehensive snare overview! Learned a lot, thx!
Bill Bruford was the king of the rimshot. This was very informative, thanks!
7:10 very nice. My preferred sound. I'm a rimshotter
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Very helpful thank you! I'm a songwriter adding snare hits into my acoustic songs and I had a friend (drummer) come tune my snare for me, but I wasn't sure if the higher frequency "ring" on my snare that I can now hear meant i had stray frequencies, but now i realize that ring is supposed to be there. Some dampening should do the trick for me.
I know it’s thee years old, but it’s still very relevant and useful. Thanks Rick.
Man, I love Shinedown. It's great to hear you produced them. Love from Poland!
Great video, as a retired live engineer I appreciate your insight. I learned stuff and felt vindicated at the same time.
Thanks for turning me on to Crowfield. I like his voice. It reminds me of Burton Cummings and he is my favorite vocalist.
Man, I love those snare drum sounds. Your right about the Ludwig BB snare, been around since the seventies.
Love it :) - Really amazing how the emphasis is on the drum tuning, sound of the drum and then mic placement rather than what microphone to use, compared to 95% percent of what is found on the net!!
Amazing Mr. B. You are a great teacher. ✌️
For Mia is one of my favorite tracks that you did. It has an amazing harmony before the chorus. I would like to see you dissect this song! Thanks for everything, Rick!
All I ever play and have ever played is rim shots! I don't miss! Been playing for 50 years! 👍 Great video!!
First step to get a good sound for recording
1. Step: buy a Ludwig Supraphonic.
You're done.
Step 2, (optional) make samples from led zep moby dick.
def. a "must bring to session" kind of snare! this video applies to any snare, FYI
How to get a good sound for your kit... Take out a loan or sell your first child...
Acrolite is a fatter sound
LM400 or LM402 is also decent choice.
He is right about the throw-off, I upgraded the p-85 to the p-86 millennium .
Thanks for sharing so much wisdom, Rick. I especially liked how you went through the tracks and commented on each snare sound. Interesting point about snare length and song tempo.
Thank you! Great video....really helping with my schooling at Berklee.
Kinda tells you how effective Berklee is! :) I went to Berklee....then went back to playing /recording for a living!
Rick, again it amazes me your willingness to share real-world knowledge of the record production process. In the recording realm, drums have been a fascination for me since . . . well, a very long time. I know some drummers to actually lay a bead of calk or silicone on the drum head, just off the rim - to varying lengths, as required. I once, for the lack of any gate, and to achieve an effect, used canvass tympani covers on rack toms. It's one of those "don't look at the drums!" situations. Thank you for making these tutorials. I know if I ever allow myself to become unteachable - that I already know enough, I will quickly be of no value to anything or anyone whose life depends on making music.
Lots of great bands in the examples that never released the albums. So sad!! Same thing happened to my band in 2017. Thanks for the great content Rick!
felt furniture feet can achieve the same effect as Moon Gel and costs pennies comparatively. Great video!
Love the snare on Shinedown track. Also I saw Junp little Children here in charlotte in 97. They were very popular here,. SLAM..great dums! wow.
Hi Rick, I'm really glad I've found your channel. Ive tried many methods for drum tuning and have never really found a great method.......until now!!! I had a horrible gig last week all because I couldn't find a good sound for my pearl Joey Jordison signature snare. I've watched your video, tuned it up and it sounds better than it ever has. I have a gig tonight and can't wait. You've also solved the mystery of why my bottom lug always comes undone! (I'm a rim shotter and I'm not afraid to admit it) keep up the good work!
your musical depth and breath continues to impress! was enough just playing the larry carlton solo off the steely dan video, but you are all over the map kinda good!
Thanks!!
hey rick...guys in my drum forum are really getting turned onto your drum production studio mic'ing stuff...i think you tapping this internet group will really send your numbers high...and thats a good thing...after watching your video on music schools and how HONEST you were...i was sold! plus your fathering is outstanding...that is most impressive your family...people want success like this...we need cats over 50 to the lead the way...you can have success and a strong family as well...inspiring!
There’s two kind of drummers, those who hit the drums and those who play the drums. ;)
Bro this is actually really helpful and informative thanks man
ah hah! bottom miking too. I had tried both separately but not together. Thank you!
If your Lars a large pasta pot is ideal. Ps im not a drummer but I could amuse myself for hours with just that snare sounds so good.
Your channel is incredible. Thanks for all the wisdom and knowledge you share.
Keep going, Rick! All of your videos are so dope.
I thought the supraphonic was the most recorded... and I swear I heard that from you on another video Rick. But maybe I’m crazy
A Black Beauty is technically a version of a Supraphonic.
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Hi Rick, we're in my place now! Drums and snare work; I tune the bottoms up (tight) and the tops lower. I trained myself to do both and you are so right, rim shots are a task to hit. A good drummer should be able to do both, i don't class myself that high but i can do both and stick control is so important. So to learn I took the classical/jazz route as it was more than demanding to my ears than most rock stuff and pop i thought had now just become the realm of machines and samples. Hal Blaine explained that the snare use should be crisp and definable from anything else and give your own sound individuality. I use Ambassador X and Remo coated. I took the original snare off of a 14" X 6 1/2 " snare (brass) and put on a 40 strand snare and had it looser than before. (this is to emulate Bonzo's 402 Super Ludvig ). Does that make sense to you? But I love it!
Agreed. More (Custom) wires and looser really gets me closer t the sound I want. Drummer hear who really digs this channel
I knew all of this with the exception of tightening and loosening the snares for different tempos. I always tighten them up and add reverb for slow songs instead. I’m going to have to try that. This is why I watch these things. You can always learn more.
Thanks for all of these helpful tutorials, Rick. They are so helpful.
I dig all your videos, but the one’s you’ve done on drums (how to get a phat bass sound, this one) have been really interesting as a drummer. Love you work!
You can go to a dollar store and but holiday window stickies. You can cut the 4 leaf clover, hearts, or whatevs, into rectangle, if ya want. Works just like a Moon gel, for a fraction of the cost. A pack costs a buck, obviously!
You named off a small handful of my friends down here in Charleston that’s really cool man I didn’t know that you were involved with their projects! Thank you for everything you do Mr. Rick!
Black Beauty's are brass. I like the 6 1/2" Superphonic Chrome Steel snare sound
I have the exact same kit in that finish and the exact same snare. Love the combination
Thank you for making videos... Your channel is one of my favorites right now!
By the way, waiting for the day you will make a CLA Drums Mixing Technique!
Andrey Benassi CLA has a tut on AudioLegends.com, and an excerpt on Slate Digital's YT-channel where he mixes a snare.
Watching for he second time Rick great sounds! A lot of tips you give that I already do myself in my studio, the Wow effect on guitars, the attention to detail regarding snare de tuning and tuning it to the song etc nice to know I'm doing some things right! The track by Essex has a little bit of Kings X ''Fool You'' vibe to it.
I like how your channel went from music production to more of a, shall I say, music connoisseur channel. That being said, I have purchased your Beato Book, and have learned a lot from your channel, in regards to both aspects. I remember when you reached your first 1M subs, and I look forward to seeing you reach 4M. Cheers!
Jump, Little Children...
Man, you just went up even further past the 100% esteem I already had for ya.
Right? They are one of my favorite bands. I heard that and was like wow!
Dude. I had a critical comment..but held back cause i luv ur channel. Radio ready is never good. Seriously.
Luv the channel.
Wow your live room sounds amazing!!!! Great video, love that there is no bullshit filler.
Man, I love your content. Great work. Very informative. Thank you!
Thanks Jared!
This channel is one of a few music class I take. Thank you for making so much good content
Informative vid. Another advantage to recording rim shots is the pre amp gain doesn't have to be very high ( relatively speaking) as rimshots are louder than center snare hits. By having the gain lower the hi hat bleed into the snare mic is reduced... always a bonus. Cheers.
Man, you did an awesome job matching the snare sound to the song on most of those tracks. Great video.
This is wildly helpful man, thank you for putting this together!
Great work...I am amazed of the productions and the music that you produced...wow, very impressive, massive, open sound...that is something that I would love to achieve someday...Regards!
+Konstantin Raidovski (Raido) Thanks Konstantinos! You know, I got fed up one day when I first started producing because I couldn't get a great snare sound with the drummers Snare
I was using. That's when I went out and purchased my first Snare. I own a bunch of them now that sound great on any recording. That's really the key. It's all about the sound source. Thanks so much! Rick
Wow thanks for sharing that...this is something that I am going through...I have been trying every miking technique that you mentioned plus a few others that I know for years, but I was always relying on the drummers kits, and the sound was not the way that I wanted it in my head...until I changed the kick and the snare during a session with an old Slingerland kick and snare from the seventies that were forgotten in a studio basement. That was a turning point...every time I try this kit against other...it just knock downs any dw, yamaha or whatever modern thing comes for recording. The same thing was with an old vintage Earth bass amplifier...there are things that are made to sit in the mix...:)
you can think of rimshotting as a way of EQing from the throne. Pick what you need based on what the snare mix needs, rimshot is much louder than center hit btw.
shell punch: 250hz - rim + center
top head tang: 500-700hz- rim +center
rim crack: 1-2khz- rimshot only
snare wires: 5-10k - rim + center
You mention Josh Freese. I recorded at a studio where he had also recorded. A few of his used sticks were left behind. They were clean at the grip and tip but totally chewed up in the middle where, the producer told me, Freese smacked a consistent rimshot on each hit.
Great Video Rick. I love that you covered a lot about the snare drum itself and the value of rim shots vs center hits. That is solid gold advice. I've found the height and angle of the snare to the drummer makes rimshots arrive much more naturally. I've been experimenting with a Yamaha 13x4 maple snare with a frosted pinstripe head. I like the rim shot sound it makes.
Im a self taught drummer and only just learned what a rimshot actually is. I didn't know people hit the rim and the center at the same time. I'm watching dave grohl play drums now and it's quite noticeable now. I always thought a rimshot was hitting outside of the center near the edge of the rim
When Rick Beato just casually mentions all the artists he recorded 5:59, and every drum kit sounds absolutely amazing for the song, you realize just how much of a genius he is!
finally. somebody who gets indie rock! thanks Rick.
Gotta love indie rock!!
Man you've got amazing records! Great sounds!
Great video... Cool you worked with Jump Little Children... They were such a great band.
Had a drummer in our band for almost 17 years. At the end of the night, it looked like a family of beavers lived behind his set!
Certain things I never knew existed as facts! Thanks for the great educational video!
Thanks Rick love these informational videos keep them coming
Another great vid Rick! Thanks so much for sharing...Especially those amazing recordings you produced of some great sounding bands! Continued success:)
Very informative. Thank you Rick!
That fundamental is around Ab, the prominent overtone is Eb
Thank you mr Rick .
a technicien of Sound from Morocco
Really enjoying your channel boss
Why didn’t the Airspace album not come out? Those guys sounded awesome.
great technical tips and nice to hear from your ( recording ) perspective. thx
Besides very good tricks... 5:40... thanks for the equality.
I would add two things to this great lesson: 99.8% of the time, you want to flip polarity on the bottom snare mic. Also, the SDC mic should be cardioid and have a -10 pad. You don't want to use omni SDC's for snare.
Saw Bad Company years ago. The drummer, Simon Kirke was playing one of these. That sound rang out and cut through the rest of the band unlike anything I've ever heard.
This was very helpful,
thanks Rick!
Excellent vid! I've done a lot of drum tracking and this stuff is spot on.
Stunning mixes Rick
Wow so much and great information. Thank you so much señor Rick!!
Outstanding as usual Rick!
There's a guy on Reverb that 3D prints the 57/SDC pair clips and sells them for like $12 as I recall? It's nice and firm, but has just enough give, to fit several different SDC's I have that are different diameters. It fits my 451's, my Slate ML-2, my Lewitt LTC-140 Air's which are thicker and my Blue Hummingbirds which are a little thicker even still. He also happened to live about 4 miles from me (I live in L.A. So it's not a shocker), but I had him print me some SM57 90 degree angle converters. I think I paid $15 for each of them. I have Audix D2's, D4's and D6's that I really like on toms as well as some other of the usual suspects and cool choices, but when I really want to get some extra transient out of the toms, for instance if I'm recording something that will be heavy on the room mics and we're using coated tom heads, 57's are an often overlooked, but excellent choice for toms. The only downfall being their size (though they're still smaller than 421's and in my humble opinion I think they sound better on toms. The 90 degree angle converters make them easier to place on virtually anything. Both are a good investment. He makes a clip for XY miking of overheads with SDC's as well as a clip for the angle used in the ORTF technique which I can't say I've ever bothered trying. XY with SDC's and a wide spread pair of LDC's get's me plenty of stereo spread, He also makes better clips for 421's. Because the stock 421 clips are kinda the worst. He makes a few others for various miking techniques, but the 57/sdc clip and the 57 90 degree converters have come to be indispensable for me. His Reverb store is called "Soundcast Studios".
Thanks for the share, I will try the two microphones on my snare.
Great video man, especially 7:30. Gonna go listen to that song now
Thanks Rick! Great information.
3:27 "Anybody that grew up listening to Led Zeppelin is a rimshotter"
Called me out 👀
why the album of aerospace does never came out; That was very good track. Is something that i can do to listen or buy the whole song that you played as an example;
Very-very nice material, just would like to listen to the examples in full quality (stereo studio recording, not roomy cam mic sound from monitors). I understand it's time-consuming (I do it myself), but it would be so much better! Looking forward to new series!
Most of them are available on iTunes. I'll put links in the description
EXCELENT! Thank you
Most excellent video. You're the best!
One thing that wasn’t discussed that I have seen done before four extreme metal records is having super loose snare wires which gives the snare sound a shorter more drum heavy sound. I suppose it has to do with the mic placement not picking up the wires when they are so loose. Take for example cattle decapitation. You barely even hear the snare wires in some of their songs
For home studio work it can be more efficient as far as quality/expense ratio to work with just three mics. It’s great to have the option of using ten mics on a kit but with a bit of experimentation you can get very usable recordings with two overheads and one kick mic facing the reso bass head. A condenser along with the kick mic in front as well can really ad more detail if you can manage a fourth mic. Great channel tho! Just found it.