Recording REAL Drum Sounds | A Pros How To Guide
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2020
- In this episode I will show you all the steps to getting great drum sounds. We will cover Mic choice, Placement, EQ, Double Mic'ing, Phase and Tone.
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8:40 "If it sounds good, it is good."
More people need to realize this. A lot of people lately have gotten into the "it has to be EXACTLY on the grid."
I have recently done a drum session recording for a famous British musician who is well into his 50th year of career. Known for being a perfectionist and sometimes "feared" by musicians, he told me exactly the same thing "if it feels good, leave it there, don't mess with that, don't look at the grid".
“if it sounds good, it is good” yeh cool but he was literally talking about phase relationship between mics. I understand mapping drums to the grid doesn’t suit for all genres that require the style of play to be smooth and slick. Genres such as Rock, Metal and even punk though do benefit from gridding the drums in time. But the only way to do this is to have the drummer be a great player in the first place which 99% of time thats when it’s only used. I do love keeping things natural when recording bands, but when it comes to the genres that need it I am not afraid to tell the drummer that the beat detective process is what i’m doing and they 9.5/10 understand why if you show them why as well 👍🏻
@@mattcapuana-sodorstudios3743 I do agree with getting the drummer to do a great performance, and I do make sure everything is good. Some people get very anal about it to where if a snare hit is 1/258th of not off, they will adjust it, and it's not even noticeable. If they drummer is way off, than I would begin to grid.
Like you said, most musicians are great players who get it done "right" the first few takes without a ton of editing.
@@j_freed really amazing the difference. Really amazing how music used to be produced as opposed to how it is "now." I remember reading in a guitar magazine in 1989 about rush producing Presto. Alex joked that in previous 80s rush records most of the time was spent by yelling "fuck! Stupid computer!" But Presto they made a more old fashioned way. And i remember first hearing it and thinking "this sounds like something you'd hear on a college radio station."
I have worked with tightening guitars alot and having both tied to the grid is not always a good thing. You lose all feeling, thickness and depth.
I swear this channel is an absolute treasure. To get all of this information from a veteran musician and producer for free is something I can't thank you enough for, Rick. Keep rocking man, also those sideburns are awesome
MIC LIST: 0:45 Overheads = Pearlman U47 x2 , 1:02 Kick = Wunder Audio U47FET + Electrovoice RE20, 1:15 Toms = Sennheiser MD421 , 1:31 Snare = Shure SM57 "Modded by Warren Dent" x2. 10:38 Triple Mic technique on Snare. 11:05 Double mic the Toms. 14:15 final thoughts and tips.
All I see is $$$$$$$$$$$.
Rick, have you tried to double mic the hi-hat (top/bottom)? Do you think it will make any difference ?
@@thecharlieramirez Put NT1 as OH, sm57 on snr, senheiser e604 on toms, Audix D6 and NT1 on Kick, and Sm7 on HH, and NT1s on rooms. As soon as the height of the rooms is high enough, it will sound very good
I got no drums and no mics, but now that i know this, i feel like a pro
I've distant recorded with my
iPhone and gotten decent results, just use your ears
@@skeletonshorror5184 thanks bro
but still got no drums :)
We all do lol
That's funny!!!
7:27 Wow, that sounds fantastic!
Rick, have you tried to double mic the hi-hat (top/bottom)? Do you think it will make any difference ?
@@andree0101 There's not really any point unless you really wish to have it. The overheads work just fine for capturing them. I'd only really mic the hi hats if you have the money for the mics and preamp inputs spare.
08:30 - This is what I love about Rick -- keep the sound a little loose, Analog, Natural not Artificial. Digital.
I couldn't agree more Mechanic. All this 'artificial' sculpting (which is everywhere now) steals the soul from music. I like keeping it human.
Exactly, it takes different lengths of time for the sound to travel from the top and bottom skins to your ear too.
You realize he isn’t talking about moving the kick so it’s exactly on the grid. But instead moving the kick so it lines up with the other kick mic. Which actually creates more low end (Warren Huart)
I always had a lot of respect for engineers as it the subtle nuances that collectively make the ‘ sound’ , make the difference
When I see an analysis like this it reminds me of the painstaking art involved - in search of the perfect blend
The fact that Rick uses black and white filter on photos with red arrows here 2:22 shows how thoughtful and sharp the man is in making teaching content. Totally appreciate it! What a brilliant man!
Hey Rick, potato producer and sound engineer wanabe here. This specifically, not to put asidde all of the vids you do which is great, are the nitty gritty things I really dig and would like to learn. Mic positioning, recording techniques, mixing techniques, and how to ge the best out of what you got. I really thank you a lot.
Voicing drums is definitely not easy I'd say. Thank you for really well informed content as always!
Hello!
@@StamateTudorGuitar has an air guitar.
Vintage drum set, Niv preamps, two expensive mics for each drum, amazing studio acoustics. Man drum recording is easy! (But really learned a lot about mic phasing, tnx Rick! )
Maybe all this time we've been hating Lars' snare on St. Anger it was just out pf phase.
Nah, it was Jason Newstead screwing with the drum mix as revenge for the bass mix in "And Justice For All..."
@@dafretz hehe wish that was true, unfortunately Jason wasn't there to do that. He was gone before st anger was recorded.
nah... it was just played on Oscar The Grouches roof
ThatsRaidillonActually If by interesting, you mean doesn’t practice, then yes Lars is extremely interesting
That is the worst sounding snare. Can't stand it.
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The only channel on youtube that can blends together musical theory/recording techniques with feeling and "rock'n rollness".
AWESOME content. As usual.
Thanks, Rick!
From someone working on a Commercial Music degree, I always appreciate your videos on in-studio techniques!!
I can’t tell you how helpful this video was for me. It gave me like five things that immediately improved the sound of my recorded drums. For real man, thank you 🙏🏻
That Broadkaster kit with the bell brass and 2002:s sound like a dream from the start. Pair this with a great drummer and you'll get a great drum sound no matter what.
Love your videos. Keep them coming! I remember back in the day learning how to wrap cables properly. The whole experience with you and Ken 10 years ago was like a “Wax on Wax off” music master class. Glad to see you’re doing well!
It would be amazing to do an episode on Ennio MORRICONE music👍🏻.
YESSSS!!!!
Hi Rick. You're a great musician and you are a perfect English teacher to me. A big hug from Italy to you and your wonderful son Dylan!!!
This is insanely helpful. As people have said it may not get the same views as a what makes this song great but the information you’re sharing is invaluable to us home recorders.
getting ready to record some drums tomorrow and i can't tell you how helpful this has been! Love all your videos, rick. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us
I have no mics or sound engineering experience but after watching videos like these I'm amazed at how much I learn. I can't believe I can gain all this professional knowledge for FREE! Videos like these are one of the reasons why CZcams is such a great platform and I'm so happy people like you take advantage of it and are willing to share your knowledge. Thanks for the high quality content!
Rick, thank you so much for this video! My growth as a producer over the last several years has been largely facilitated by your production videos (I've watched the old "how the pros use eq, compression, etc" videos over and over while taking notes lol. I know this isn't the kind of video that will get a million views, but it's seriously appreciated and helpful!
For me a high ceiling gives you so much more to your overheads. Love the room sound! Great video Rick. Everything you've covered is bang on!
Hey Rick!!!! I just wanted to thank you. I found your channel a few weeks ago and have spent many hours trying to watch as much as possible. But I've also picked up my guitar again, (thanks to watching you) You are a very knowledgeable and inspiring person to watch. I have played guitar since I was 15, but for years I haven't been playing. Now I spend every second of my free time watching your videos or practicing.... Sometimes both!! 😁 Thank you!!
Hands down, the best practical example of phase and how to ensure all your mics are grooving in time!! thanks, Rick!!
Great to see another one of these production videos Rick! Thanks for the time and effort put in to making these wonderful videos! it is most appreciated
Beautiful kit Rick. That great Gretsch sound. Thanks for shedding some light on the dark art of drum recording.
Sounds great! Don't forget the most vital part of this recording: a great performance! The drummer is not whacking the drums with all his might. He's being reserved on the hi-hat. He's not killing the cymbals and choking their sound. The drummer is clearly aware he is playing in a very active live room and thus not pounding away. Great video Rick! Appreciate all the tips and tricks for such a complex instrument to record!
This is just so clear and seems simple but its not easy to figure out on your own as i failed at too many times. All the time spent learning comes down to what i see in this very elegant video.
This was awesome! It really helps to see how different miking affects the overall sound. And to see it in it's waveform and have it explained so thoroughly really shows the artistry of sound engineering. Very enlightening!
I love these recording and mixing guides you do Rick. I know the internet/youtube is full of videos about recording and mixing, noone covers the subject such as succinctly (yet somehow comprehensively) as you. Thanks
Amazing lesson ... just tried the doble mic on toms and it's an amazing change in all entire drum sounds ... tnx so much Rick!
Seriously helpful, right-to-the-point, no bs video. Cheers
I love this channel. Rick Beato got my love of music and drumming back after 13 years not playing.
This is AWESOME! Always putting out great content, Rick!!!
Yet another fantastic instructual video from the greatist music teacher ever from the heart. Love you Rick.
I always love your videos. You are by far the single most informative instructor on CZcams.
Thanks Rick! Immeasurable information! All my drumming life, I’m 61, been playing for 50 of those years, I’ve spent thousands of dollars and hours trying to get a great live drum recording. But I’ve been basically clueless until now!
Fantastic video, Rick. I loved the explanation of phase, something that confuses many drummers just getting into recording.
The difference in sound with the top and bottom on the tom toms is huge! I have never tried that before but I will definitely consider it in the future. Thanks for another great video Rick!
I love your videos and I've been watching a lot of them lately!
I don't know if anyone already commented on this, but here goes: Wavelength is a spacial feature. So if you have time on the x-axis you actually didn't point out the wavelength, but instead the period of the signal. The period is the temporal counterpart to the wavelength, and measured in seconds pr. cycle. Wavelength on the other hand is in meters pr. cycle, or how long the wave is.
It's not really a problem for matching up phase, because wavelength and period are proportional. But if we don't use the correct terms it will be a problem in more complicated cases where they are not proportional (i.e. there is some dispersion relation between the two).
Hope this was helpful if anyone was confused about the language used. I'm not disputing any of the techniques just some nuances of the language used to describe them :-)
AWESOME video!! Thank you for sharing your expertise, Rick!
Hi Rick! Just wanted to say thank you for all the knowledge you provide us. Also thank you for inspiring us every day to become better musicians and producers.
BTW I love your mixing techniques series! Hope to see more of that in the future they're awesome . Hope you're doing great!
This is pure gold. Thank you Mr Beato !
Thank you so much, this is just the advice I needed. Love you Rick!
Excellent workshop, very thorough, thanks!!
Great advice about the difference between matching the visuals in OCD fashion vs. trusting your ears to hear great sound!
Too many people concentrate on what they're seeing rather than what they're hearing, but music is all about the sound!
As a drummer who's trying to record on a budget, this is really helpful. Thank you!
I love these videos! Getting a great drum sound is really important is you are making any type of music that makes you move :) many thanks Rick!
I love and appreciate these hands on miking techniques, especially for drums. I was so surprised when I watched the Glyn Johns technique video because I hadn't heard of it before but just by trial and error was already using it. Love the show,
Those Gretsch drums are beautiful. The bell brass is my bucket list snare drum.
Excellent video! I'm getting into doing remote session work and the info in this video helped out a lot.
Good looks Rick, I literally had a dream last night about how the drums in my demo recordings could be better.
My benchmark drum sound is John Guerin’s playing on Joni’s Hissing of Summer Lawns record. The record sound as well. I’m using three dynamic mics. Using the “don’t mic the kit, mic the room” idea. I’m enjoying the sound, much dryer and darker than modern records. Love it.
Excellent video on multi microphone phase. I've done the 3 and 4 mic arrangements back in the late 70's with lots of room and always got a great, big sound.
Rick. You’re simply the best source for everything music.
I finally got some monitors and can fully appreciate these videos. Those drums do indeed sound massive.
Awesome video. The top/bottom miced toms are superb - my choice whenever possible. ^^
this videos are extremely helpful as sound engineer student, thanks Rick, keep the good work!
our engineer double mic'd everything and man the drums sounded huge and have a dimension like you are also in the room. He also had 3 room mics Left Right and Mono that added a lot. When I pulled up the sessions and saw 14 drum tracks I thought it was over kill. Now I see the light
52 years of playing music and still learning new things. Thanks, Rick!
The most excited I've been about a video since the TOOL video!
I know I won't be able to apply this to a recording session, but seeing all the hard work going on gives me a whole level of appreciation for sound engineers 👌
Forcing myself to finish this deadline so I can watch on my TV instead of cell. That setup already looks so luxurious, I know I’m in for a treat! If only I had my old drum studio back, I could experiment with all this. Bonus points for the Gadd thumbnail 😊
Love your videos always so pro and informative....cool tip on getting the snare wire to come through with the bottom mic...thanks mate ✌️
I love your videos on mic'ing drums!! Very educational and interesting, especially when you do the comp between single mic and double mic tom. Do you think you can do a video on room mics/overhead mics and what they do for a drum sound? I would love to see your take on it!
Great vid as usual... Thanks Rick!
I haven't had many tracks of my drums recorded in studios but in my limited experience I always fight with the producer to get my hihats up in the mix as to me they are a key signature tone for me and also if I switch to a ride pattern instead most producers seem to practically erase it from the mix, it seems to be the standard producer thing. I get that there needs to be space for the frequencies of the guitars and all, however it's overlooked in general so I know it's not just me!
Incredible video, so much knowledge !
Thanks Rick for this great video! I've been double miking toms ever since you revealed the technique in an earlier video a couple of years ago. I normally use old gray MD421's on the top heads and now-discontinued Sennheiser MD409's or AKG D14's on the bottom heads. They both are convenient to place thanks to their flat shape and thus fit nicely even with a more crowded kit. And on top of that - or actually on bottom of that - they sound phenomenal! I typically use a Sennheiser MD441 under the snare drum: the supercardioid polar pattern nicely rejects the rest of the kit - especially the kick drum - and the inherent low sensitivity works nicely so you won't clip the preamp so easily, as the snare drum can produce pretty loud transients. Also the bass roll-off switch comes in handy at times. All the best from Finland!
I clicked on this video with 25 years of frustration, thinking I'll never deal with more than 5 drum mics ever again. And then you proceeded to address every stupid mistake I've been making! Now I'm wishing I still had a 16 channel interface.
“If it sounds good, it is good”-that’s all you need to know, brilliant Mr.Beato
Super useful video! Thanks Rick! :D
Awesome video! More of this please. Thank you
This was great. I've been spending time moving the kick in mic back x number of samples to better align with the outer mic. Done with that!!!
Love your channel Rick!
Thanks Rick - always great info - I was just going to ask a question about phase issues when you brought it up in the video - IN DEPTH Many thanks!
Best example of drum mic’ng ever. Thanks Rick.
Ah loved that Rick, took me back to my studio days, and white board explanations to my university students at the time.
I wish I had this video before I recorded my first album! Everyone talks about phase with mics...very few people explain it the way you do on this channel! Mic'ing guitar cabs took me years to get right!
Awesome video, man! So happy to see this!
Thank you so much for this vid Rick. Super helpful and very valuable info for an amateur engineer/mixer like me.
absolutely marvelous Rick you the guy my drums vill sounds great now all i need is your preamps and mics
Great video and information as usual! This is a great in-depth peak into recording drums sir! Love your attention to detail and your experience that you share.
Believe it or not, I am one of the few still using analog to record…I’m a dinosaur, I know. 😊
All the best to you and yours Rick!! ✌
Love the video please make more on recording especially drums :) thanks Rick
WOW you took me back to school and I learned a lot off this episode
Thank you! I learned a lot with this video!
I'm inspiring in you and your channel to create my new videos !!!
You're a very inspiring dude Rick !!! Congrats
I'm in luv with ya Rick, a fantastic video!!!!! Thank you.
thanks a lot for that one, really good, and totally spot on
These videos are life changing, thank you Rick! 💀🔥
I have a fairly large Ludwig kit (6/8/10/12/14/16 toms, 22 kick, 6 1/2 x 14 snare) and, partly because of budget, use only 5 mics but will be adding a hi-hat mic next Cd's worth of demos. (Rode N5 overheads pair - SM57 snare top - AKG P170 aimed at batter kick - AKG P220 unported front kick). As toms aren't mic'd at all, I found that if I copy the overheads and edit all of the copy track down to toms only, they can be processed to really bolster the tom sound, in addition to the toms that are on the main overhead tracks. I'm really loving how the drums sound. They're tuned super well and played with as much of a quality performance as I can muster (being primarily a guitar player). The biggest bonus for me is virtually no phase issues and I'd much rather write and record than engineer, given my druthers.
Thanks Rick, for a young Sound Tech like me this video is super useful. Greetings from Spain
Thank You! Thats how you break it down Awesome!
Rick, I think one more important element to recording drums is the room and room treatment. It saves so much work when the room sounds good and gives the mics and easy job of picking up the frequencies. Also when setting up the drums move the bass drum, snare and hat around to find the sweet spot in the room that sounds the best.
Something you're also getting from adding that bottom mic to the floor tom, because of how close it is to the floor, is just a bit of floor reflection of the higher frequencies in there, which just opens the thing up when you add it it. It's just a hint, considering you'll have carpet and possibly an isolated subfloor under the drums, but it's just a little extra something.
Rick's so a drummer at heart :)
Wow man your the coolest thanks for imparting your knowledge
Those NEVE EQs and Pre, The API . LEGEND