Hello, Josh... been awhile since I made a comment on your channel, though I do watch it. I would like to share my most recent enlightenment. Using a scope on a CZ 457 at 50 yards, I discovered how to shrink by tight groups even further. I have found it difficult to focus on the reticle while maintaining in the background awareness of where my aim point is. I have found that using the "T" reticle mark works for much tighter groups with ease. I align the horizontal part of the "T" under the aim point and use the vertical part to align the left/right aim. This method has eased my effort to focus on the reticle while being aware of where the aim point is resulting in MUCH tighter groups with ease.
I guess I got lucky with my 457 Franken-build - started with a 457 American that easily did 0.3" at 50 using Eley Standard, put in a take-off Varmint (non-MTR) CZ OEM barrel and an MTR stock and with SK Standard+ at 50 it's a 0.2" MAXIMUM grouper (Leupold 12x), and at 100 using same it's 0.4" without problems (using a bog-standard Harris bipod - definitely no Ransome rest here!). That was my third Franken build - prior 2 used "Match" MTR barrels and wasn't thrilled. This bog-standard Varmint take off on the other hand is phenomenal. Total cost? $250 including second hand stock and barrel from the LGS. And the fact it LOVES SK Standard+ is a massive bonus.
Haha that's what happens when you only have a couple boxes of a particular lot. For my RimX I bought just a few of some random lots of ammo and just before I was checking out I added 1 box of x act. Due to price. I kind of forgot about it for a while then I brought it out when I was getting low on ammo and said let see. Truly hoping it didn't shoot good due to $$$. Well it shot stupid amazing. Basically like you last string without that one where you had some vertical stringing. It was .1 - .2. For whole box. I was actually upset as I am not buying that ammo for that price. But thankfully center x. Does the same thing. But I know how you feel when you don't have anymore of that great ammo. Sucks. But I have a spot for lapue in Ohio for testing coming in the fall. So I'll get all this hammered out. Great video
I’ve been very happy with the Eley Match. I’ve been sticking with a Eley Match and Eley Tenex. I default to Wolf Match Extra for casual shooting. I should mention I’m using a Tikia T1X and And Anschutz Model 64
Boy I am glad I saw your test. I bought a 24x1 inch last month and was disappointed with the performance of several ammos including TENEX. Oddly it was the cheaper Eley Match that consistently shot in the .2 area. SK LRM is next best. Mine is in a KRG Bravo and I just installed a Jard trigger. Once I get this dialed in I may part with my RimX and just shoot the CZ
The new Lilja barrel on my 457 hasn't had enough ammo testing yet. The factory barrel shot SK Standard well, and the Lilja barrel seems to like it. It also liked the SK match target. I have 4 or 5 lots of Standard to try and maybe 2 or 3 of the Match Target. This may have to happen closer to the fall season, seeing it is 108⁰ - 110⁰ almost every day here in Las Vegas. Haven't tried the Eley Team much yet, I have a few thousand rounds of that for my 10/22. I'll be watching to see how yours performs.
Thanks for sharing you're knowledge Josh, always look forward to to your video's. When you purchase a new barrel are you looking for a certain inside bore diameter, says 0.217 by 0.222 and if so what lands and grooves are you looking for, if any ? I was also wondering what chamber dimensions are you running ? Thanks again for all your help, Dave
Hey Josh. Awesome video! Please put that barrel action setup into an MDT ACC Premier. I'd love to see how well that balances in that chassis. Also, isn't the 26" a touch too long for PR22/NRL22 - especially maneuvering through and around props? Would a 24" not be the happy medium instead?
It's going into the gen 2 premier once I have it. 26" isn't too bad for nrl. Most the props now are open props with minimal ports. I run 24-26" barrels quite often
Good informative video Josh. Thanks. I am interested in the Lilja for my 457. I shoot mostly BR. As others have said, I see only 18 and 21 inches on the website. Do you have to special order the 26 inch barrel? Is there an advantage in 26 versus 21 for BR shooting?
Hay Josh what shims do refer with the lilja same all you rifles shoot well do you run the same shim in all you barrels if so what do you use Thanks great videos
This is the first time I’ve wanted a Lilja barrel - wow! You were like Elijah on that last string - I kept screaming at my phone - stop talking mid group!!! 😂😂😂
Josh I had everything marlin made back in the day. From semiautomatics tube fed mag fed same with the bolts. They all shot lights out with cci mini mag, could it be the 16 micro groove barrels. What's your thoughts
Any issues with the 457 action suspending these long heavy Barrels? Has anyone in the comments section ever seen the weight leveraged on that action become a problem? Any gunsmiths out there? CZ corporate… do you have any comment about this?
I've wondered that as well, I'd imagine this is getting close to the max amount you'd want to put on the stock tennon and grub screw setup. Shoots good tho.
There is no comparison between these barrels and a modacam barrel the Elrod barrel will win every time the modacam barrels are the best I don't think that anyone makes a better 22lr barrel. Beagleman
Josh, you have this Match 22lr LOT/Ammo Combination dialed in. I have 3-CZ457 Rifles; an MTR w/ Factory Barrel w/ 3-6oz Jarred Trigger, one with a 23" Lilja Barrel on a Chassis w/ 3-6oz Jarred Triger, and a Royal w/ a Timney 1lb flat blade trigger. What is the LOT number for that Eley Team 22lr ammo? Where do you get it from? Thanks.
I went to the Lilja website, there is no 1-inch offering. .900" X 18" and .900" X 21". Waiting for my CZ457 Varmint MTR to show up. I'll see how it goes stock, but I'm gonna want some options.
Does a 24" or 26" barrel really make a significant difference in accuracy and speed in rimfire shooting compared to a 20" or 22" barrel? So that I just must get the longer barrel?
Changing the barrel moves the gun from ARA Factory Class to Unlimited...correct? Noticed the targets are an ARA Factory Class target instead of the smaller Unlimited Class targets
If your shooting Ara I do believe that would move you to open. I don't shoot benchrest so I'm not 100% sure in their rules. The unlimited targets are smaller, the targets in the video are unlimited targets
I’ll say it again….26” is WAY TOO LONG for the CZ ACTION!! It’s just not strong enough…not to mention having tenon screws and not being threaded. 21-22” max on a heavy barrel. Seen it over and over. The top Smith’s will tell you the same thing. If the action was strong enough then the benchrest guys would be threading and using CZ actions for unlimited class.
@@dcs27006 lots of smiths now offering heavy barrel cz barrels. I've had my custom cz with a long heavy barrel for quite a while now. It's been good to go. No signs of any issues
@@PursuitofAccuracy heavy barrel is ok Anything past 22” just doesn’t work well. With that being said yes it will shoot…but a properly lapped 21-22” barrel will out shoot. Muller works, Shilen or any of those. A 21-22” will out shoot them every time. It’s just too much weight for the action. I’ve seen multiple benchrest guys improve accuracy by shortening them from the muzzle even knowing they were cutting off the tightest part of the taper they still increased accuracy. Spend the money on a custom Shilen or Muller that slugs tight at 21-22” and you’ll be happy. I get the weight helps balance. But I see too many flaws in the action to hang 26” off of it. One of the top Smiths in our area Blake Gann will tell you this same thing. Love the content and not trying to discredit anything you do….I just hate to see people thinking 26” is “the most accurate for CZs when it’s not”. Now in PRS style it may make you more accurate by improving your balance. But in overall BR style it won’t be the most accurate.
@@dcs27006 yeah I think most guys going after 24-26 heavy barrels are prs shooters looking for extra barrel weight to balance the rifle with. I'm not at all claiming the barrel dimensions are increasing accuracy at all. Appreciate ya watching and commenting
@@PursuitofAccuracy absolutely! And I can see where balance outweighs a lot in PRS style shooting for sure. Lots of tricks on helping accuracy on those CZs…if your not removing the barrel often or anything 638 loctite will make the barrel/action as good as it can be without threading it. Use the tenon screws only to secure the barrel while loctite is drying. Once dried it’s almost as good as being welded lol
Constantly bringing it Josh. Thanks brother. We appreciate you. (Love the - "got it zeroed so I don't shoot my camera" dry humor)
I'm sold. Seems like the perfect drop-in barrel for NRL and PRS. Great video and product review.
Man! That was pretty awesome. Thank you for sharing your passion with us!
My home built 10/22 with a KIDD 16.5" SS bull .920 barrel really likes the Precision/Outlaw Eley stuff ..... Nice video Josh as always.
Hello, Josh... been awhile since I made a comment on your channel, though I do watch it. I would like to share my most recent enlightenment. Using a scope on a CZ 457 at 50 yards, I discovered how to shrink by tight groups even further. I have found it difficult to focus on the reticle while maintaining in the background awareness of where my aim point is. I have found that using the "T" reticle mark works for much tighter groups with ease. I align the horizontal part of the "T" under the aim point and use the vertical part to align the left/right aim. This method has eased my effort to focus on the reticle while being aware of where the aim point is resulting in MUCH tighter groups with ease.
I'll take that.
Ta mate.
Australia
Holy smokes.... that barrel shoots! Good stuff right there 👍
I guess I got lucky with my 457 Franken-build - started with a 457 American that easily did 0.3" at 50 using Eley Standard, put in a take-off Varmint (non-MTR) CZ OEM barrel and an MTR stock and with SK Standard+ at 50 it's a 0.2" MAXIMUM grouper (Leupold 12x), and at 100 using same it's 0.4" without problems (using a bog-standard Harris bipod - definitely no Ransome rest here!).
That was my third Franken build - prior 2 used "Match" MTR barrels and wasn't thrilled. This bog-standard Varmint take off on the other hand is phenomenal.
Total cost? $250 including second hand stock and barrel from the LGS. And the fact it LOVES SK Standard+ is a massive bonus.
My Bergara and CZ457 Varmit love a couple of Lots of Eley SABRP. Shoots in the 2s at 50.
Haha that's what happens when you only have a couple boxes of a particular lot. For my RimX I bought just a few of some random lots of ammo and just before I was checking out I added 1 box of x act. Due to price. I kind of forgot about it for a while then I brought it out when I was getting low on ammo and said let see. Truly hoping it didn't shoot good due to $$$. Well it shot stupid amazing. Basically like you last string without that one where you had some vertical stringing. It was .1 - .2. For whole box. I was actually upset as I am not buying that ammo for that price. But thankfully center x. Does the same thing.
But I know how you feel when you don't have anymore of that great ammo. Sucks. But I have a spot for lapue in Ohio for testing coming in the fall. So I'll get all this hammered out.
Great video
Another great one. I still haven’t installed the last Lilja barrel. It’s the .9 x 26.
Wish it was easy to get that stuff in Canada 🇨🇦 cheers 🍻 Josh
Yeah, I too would love to see a proper dealer for the Lilja stuff up here.
It is easy and fairly cheap... contact Borderview.
@@EagleEyeShooting Cool. Those guys are in my town too.
Awesome! Great review!
I’ve been very happy with the Eley Match. I’ve been sticking with a Eley Match and Eley Tenex. I default to Wolf Match Extra for casual shooting. I should mention I’m using a Tikia T1X and And Anschutz Model 64
That first group reminds me of the adage, the best shots out of a barrel will be the first ones.
The Lilja .9"X21" barrel on my CZ457 VPT likes the two random lots of Eley match I have tried in it.
Boy I am glad I saw your test. I bought a 24x1 inch last month and was disappointed with the performance of several ammos including TENEX. Oddly it was the cheaper Eley Match that consistently shot in the .2 area. SK LRM is next best. Mine is in a KRG Bravo and I just installed a Jard trigger. Once I get this dialed in I may part with my RimX and just shoot the CZ
The new Lilja barrel on my 457 hasn't had enough ammo testing yet. The factory barrel shot SK Standard well, and the Lilja barrel seems to like it. It also liked the SK match target. I have 4 or 5 lots of Standard to try and maybe 2 or 3 of the Match Target. This may have to happen closer to the fall season, seeing it is 108⁰ - 110⁰ almost every day here in Las Vegas.
Haven't tried the Eley Team much yet, I have a few thousand rounds of that for my 10/22. I'll be watching to see how yours performs.
Thanks for sharing you're knowledge Josh, always look forward to to your video's. When you purchase a new barrel are you looking for a certain inside bore diameter, says 0.217 by 0.222 and if so what lands and grooves are you looking for, if any ? I was also wondering what chamber dimensions are you running ?
Thanks again for all your help, Dave
It'd be interesting to see a live chrono...esp for vertical strings ...thanks for posting.
Hey Josh. Awesome video!
Please put that barrel action setup into an MDT ACC Premier. I'd love to see how well that balances in that chassis. Also, isn't the 26" a touch too long for PR22/NRL22 - especially maneuvering through and around props? Would a 24" not be the happy medium instead?
It's going into the gen 2 premier once I have it. 26" isn't too bad for nrl. Most the props now are open props with minimal ports. I run 24-26" barrels quite often
Eley match for the win! I would love to buy a case of eley match for myself because my MPA Rimfire loves it!
Eley Match shooting lights out, or as you say Holy Crap!! Lol.
Enjoyed as always
Good informative video Josh. Thanks.
I am interested in the Lilja for my 457. I shoot mostly BR. As others have said, I see only 18 and 21 inches on the website. Do you have to special order the 26 inch barrel? Is there an advantage in 26 versus 21 for BR shooting?
Great shooting now take some of that Eley Team you got and go fishing. 😉😉 Great info here in this video.
Would like to see a video on Neal Waltz 22 lr sizing die that make hollow points or a flat base on bullet
I have a Lilja barrel on my 457 and it shoots lights out with Lapua Lr ammo
Hay Josh what shims do refer with the lilja same all you rifles shoot well do you run the same shim in all you barrels if so what do you use Thanks great videos
just got back from my own match. It did get hot but not miserable and shot decently well considering. Are you going to try the new L3I cz barrel?
I love your videos! Come down to CMP in Anniston Al and pick you out a Remington 40x.
I've been wanting to buy a 40X for a while now, can you please give me more information?
I’ve had some luck with the bench rest outlaw in bolt guns.
This is the first time I’ve wanted a Lilja barrel - wow!
You were like Elijah on that last string - I kept screaming at my phone - stop talking mid group!!! 😂😂😂
Lol hater 😅😅
@@PursuitofAccuracy nah, I like Elijah so I’m screaming at my phone for him too 😂
@@ronmartblog lmao
Josh I had everything marlin made back in the day. From semiautomatics tube fed mag fed same with the bolts. They all shot lights out with cci mini mag, could it be the 16 micro groove barrels. What's your thoughts
I'd like to see how CCI-SV and Norma Tac 22 SV does.
Any issues with the 457 action suspending these long heavy Barrels? Has anyone in the comments section ever seen the weight leveraged on that action become a problem? Any gunsmiths out there? CZ corporate… do you have any comment about this?
I've wondered that as well, I'd imagine this is getting close to the max amount you'd want to put on the stock tennon and grub screw setup. Shoots good tho.
Did you have to do any extra inletting in the barrel channel?
I’ve got a 457 MTR with a good scope, pillar bedding, lightened trigger etc. can’t shoot that well… guessing I just need more practice!
That Eley was awesome maybe you can let us know the lot # and if anyone has any that they can't use they can hook you up ?
id sure be trying to find another lot of the eps in the same velocity as that "random" lot.
I don't see this barrel on their site yet? I only see the 1in diameter 18 and 21 in length 3 groove? Do they make more?
Gotta wander, did they call it benchrest auto so you could shorten it to Eley SABO?
Hey Josh love the content. Where would a guy find one of these? I don’t see them on the Lilja website.
For now you got to call em
why no measuring, those were the tightest groups you have ever shot
Not the tightest but they were good for sure
There is no comparison between these barrels and a modacam barrel the Elrod barrel will win every time the modacam barrels are the best I don't think that anyone makes a better 22lr barrel.
Beagleman
@@lewisrice3741 yeah the modocam barrels are really good
Is the rifling in your lilja Barrels pretty shallow? I have a 23” an the rifling is super super shallow..
Josh, you have this Match 22lr LOT/Ammo Combination dialed in. I have 3-CZ457 Rifles; an MTR w/ Factory Barrel w/ 3-6oz Jarred Trigger, one with a 23" Lilja Barrel on a Chassis w/ 3-6oz Jarred Triger, and a Royal w/ a Timney 1lb flat blade trigger. What is the LOT number for that Eley Team 22lr ammo? Where do you get it from? Thanks.
Holy crap!!
Wow...Josh what are you headspaced ?
Roughly 42 thou
I went to the Lilja website, there is no 1-inch offering. .900" X 18" and .900" X 21". Waiting for my CZ457 Varmint MTR to show up. I'll see how it goes stock, but I'm gonna want some options.
You have to email him. Hes very nice.
I called Lilja order 2 1"x26" had em in two weeks very nice people
@@dougkrogh4262 Good to know. I wonder why they don't give the option on their website.
@@dougkrogh4262 how much was it??
Twist rate?
What is the headspace on the barrel?
What headspace did you use
I´ve called Lilja and seems to be pretty hard to get any of the 26” barrels. 😢 I tried the .900 and they told me they it can’t be backordered
I miss the old Federal UM1.
Does a 24" or 26" barrel really make a significant difference in accuracy and speed in rimfire shooting compared to a 20" or 22" barrel? So that I just must get the longer barrel?
@@raynovanderwalt no there really isn't a huge benefit to going longer if you don't need the weight for balance
Josh, what are you using for your target camera? What would be the maximum distance will it reach? Thanks.
It's a Sony zve10 so where ever I put it
@@PursuitofAccuracy I really appreciate your responsiveness! Thank you.
What is the torque? In lbs . on the barrel grub screws?
I tighten them by feel
Changing the barrel moves the gun from ARA Factory Class to Unlimited...correct? Noticed the targets are an ARA Factory Class target instead of the smaller Unlimited Class targets
If your shooting Ara I do believe that would move you to open. I don't shoot benchrest so I'm not 100% sure in their rules. The unlimited targets are smaller, the targets in the video are unlimited targets
what head spacing?
I want one!!!!!!!! 😍
Is this a blank you had machined or a Pre-fit ?
Prefit
When you are going to test the new eley extreem long range its new
Gonna try and film that this week
This barrel didn’t have impact shift from 1st to 2nd shot. 👏🏽
Did you pillar bed the MTR Stock?
Mtr comes with polymer pillars
Is that barrel the 3 groove 16t?
Yes
What Size Shim did you use ? Thanks
.004
I can’t find the 26” on their website
You have to call for that one
I really hope you made rmac ?
I didn't. Had some family medical stuff going on
Where can we get that barrel!?
You have to call lilja for now
Went back to the Olympic ammo again.
Shooting like a bench gun 👍
Hi Josh.
Where can we find those barrels. I looked up lilja and I can not find those barrels for sale on the website
Thanks for the reviews 💪🍀🇮🇪
1-16
distance 50m?
50 yards
I hate when that happens (Eley Match)!
Who the hell is Loga? we all know who Lilja is, but he never mentioned them. :
Pretty sure I said lilja every single time lol
oops, just watched the end of the video, sorry
$100.00 you don’t follow up on record keeping!
Record keeping?
First! LOL
I’ll say it again….26” is WAY TOO LONG for the CZ ACTION!! It’s just not strong enough…not to mention having tenon screws and not being threaded. 21-22” max on a heavy barrel. Seen it over and over. The top Smith’s will tell you the same thing. If the action was strong enough then the benchrest guys would be threading and using CZ actions for unlimited class.
@@dcs27006 lots of smiths now offering heavy barrel cz barrels. I've had my custom cz with a long heavy barrel for quite a while now. It's been good to go. No signs of any issues
@@PursuitofAccuracy heavy barrel is ok Anything past 22” just doesn’t work well. With that being said yes it will shoot…but a properly lapped 21-22” barrel will out shoot. Muller works, Shilen or any of those. A 21-22” will out shoot them every time. It’s just too much weight for the action. I’ve seen multiple benchrest guys improve accuracy by shortening them from the muzzle even knowing they were cutting off the tightest part of the taper they still increased accuracy. Spend the money on a custom Shilen or Muller that slugs tight at 21-22” and you’ll be happy. I get the weight helps balance. But I see too many flaws in the action to hang 26” off of it. One of the top Smiths in our area Blake Gann will tell you this same thing. Love the content and not trying to discredit anything you do….I just hate to see people thinking 26” is “the most accurate for CZs when it’s not”. Now in PRS style it may make you more accurate by improving your balance. But in overall BR style it won’t be the most accurate.
@@dcs27006 yeah I think most guys going after 24-26 heavy barrels are prs shooters looking for extra barrel weight to balance the rifle with.
I'm not at all claiming the barrel dimensions are increasing accuracy at all.
Appreciate ya watching and commenting
@@PursuitofAccuracy absolutely! And I can see where balance outweighs a lot in PRS style shooting for sure. Lots of tricks on helping accuracy on those CZs…if your not removing the barrel often or anything 638 loctite will make the barrel/action as good as it can be without threading it. Use the tenon screws only to secure the barrel while loctite is drying. Once dried it’s almost as good as being welded lol
@@dcs27006 I've heard of that before. When I finally retire the action from CZcams I will probably give that a whirl. Appreciate ya