CZ 457; COLLECTING VITAL DATA AND CORRECTING ACCURACY ISSUES WITH A PROPER CLEANING SCHEDULE
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- The CZ 457 had really dropped off in the accuracy department after shooting around 500-700 rounds and not cleaning. We cleaned the barrel and put it back out at 50 yards to check accuracy.
We see what data collection we need to be looking at during this process and future plans to incorporate data collection into normal practice.
We also take the CZ 457 out to 182 yards for some cool scopecam footage on the wolf target.
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www.pursuitofaccuracy.com
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Is there a better compliment than "This guy knows his shit"? You got it.
Haha I appreciate it
Always got to hit that thumbs up before watching because I already know it’s going to be good!
Thanks Tony
Change the resolution is step #2
@@wowguy3562 haha does it start you out a potato shaped pixels too?
@@PursuitofAccuracy lol
@@PursuitofAccuracy josh , on a totally different topic be sure to get some lapua center x for that voodoo that is the ammo those rifles were built to shoot …. Just a suggestion they are pricey like the eley match but might be worth the price of admission 🤷🏻♂️
Josh, welcome "back" to the bull. As an old time center fire ELR shooter, dope is a HUGE key as is the fashion and accuracy of the info kept. Might sound over-the-top, however by keeping a voice recorder with me, much added and later valuable facts came to play in on my success. All this said - with my own now aging service related issues, rim fire seems to be an avenue which will allow a few more good years of enjoyable "ELR" scaled to circumstances for me, and I (like maybe others) could use a little guidance on the acquisition of barrels etc for this venue.
PS - be DARNED PROUD of that little lady you have - she's a gem!!
God Bless & Thanks
Thanks brother. I will be doing some ELR Specific content with a new product coming soon
Josh, you are a great instructor/teacher...this information is helping my shooting so much.
Always look forward to the informative stuff you learn and share.
Thanks Kent I appreciate it.
Nice shooting as always. The accuracy of that rifle with that ammo is truly impressive.
Thanks Mark
That rifle is just a beast. Nice
@@Jcruce7122 Thanks brother. Its a good one
Thanks Josh now we know the accuracy drop was a dirty barrel ,
Thanks Vince
You are the BIGGEST advertiser for LILJA barrel.
Seriously 😁
I have two Lilja barrel and love it
Haha yeah im the worst paid salesman on the team at $0 per hour 🤣🤣
Awesome to see the difference of a good clean bought that accuracy right back in 👍that group at 180yrds on Wolfy is impressive…
The ole CZ is hammering again
@@PursuitofAccuracy indeed was interesting how little it took to come back in. The last time I cleaned mine I was sure it took a little more than that but beautiful to see it back to a tac driver In your hands look forward to the upcoming vids against that voodoo an t1x…
@@ninjabreadman733 i plan to clean again and repeat the process once i start seeing a carbon ring form. Then will see if its as quick to come back to grouping
@@PursuitofAccuracy good plan I end up doing mine every 1k shots find the oil on the newer ammo helps to gum it up quickly and we’ll if I have the spare time cleaning doesn’t take that long to do..
Thank You Sir! This is a great new series! It is apparent how quick a positive fouling after cleaning works. Showing DOPE tips will be valuable. 👍🇺🇸 #22aday
I'm looking forward to being able to film the DOPE process
@@PursuitofAccuracy Any change you've had the chance to film/document this yet? If yes - please share URL; have been combing through your library but haven't found anything on the topic. Love the channel, thx!
Great video, amazing setup and shooting, very informative.
Great presentation Josh! That shooting of yours and that CZ... WOW! :)
Thanks brother
Gonna quote Eric Cortina on cleaning your bore"
"Clean my barrel after every range session because I can control how clean it is I can't control how dirty it gets"
I clean as well as I can my precision 22lr rifles after every range session this includes a complete cleaning using both Boretec C4 carbon Koller 1st then Bortech rimfire blend flush barrel completely with Big Rd's Red then with Break Cleaner
Then a second cleaning where I use a 3:1 ratio of Sharp Shoot--R Accelorator And Patch-out and let it soak in the bore for 4 hours
Then patch out with dry patches
If barrel is still dirty I saturate to bore with Accerator then plug the breach end fill with Wipe-Out Foaming bore cleaner plug the muzzle end let soak for 4 hours and never had to do more than that.
I have an updated cleaning video coming out next month.
I use two products now with a system that has been super easy for me.
Wow! excellent shooting! That second Lot really looks good on paper. You really have this figured out. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Charlie
Great stuff, as always. Looking forward to episode 2 of the series.
Thanks
Salut Josh. You provide more than just useful information, you provide the viewer with knowledge through giving them an understanding ….. you are a natural “trainer” ….. excellent!
Thanks Romeo
Didn’t know a 22lr could group like that at 180 yds. Impressive, both gear and shooter. Learning a lot from watching your channel. Thanks.
Thanks for watching brother
Thanks for sharing.
Excellent groups !
Thanks
Good to see the CZ back to it's usual form. Good luck with the bench rest match. Be Safe
Hey Tim.
We actually shot the match this past Sunday. Waiting on official results.....but safe to say CZ is in the #1 spot 😁😁
I sure liked that 7th group, I think the cleaning worked, thanks for the video, and congrats on the 5k!
Thanks WoW Guy.
This is a great video! Love the dirty details
From hypothesis formation (to clean or get beaten again by Madison), noting of the possibility for alternative explanations, a great [pun intended] down-and-dirty cleaning session, to the experimental phase... this was such a valuable learning experience for me. THANK YOU pards!
Appreciate it Andrew
Best video yet !! great instruction!! i see how important it is to clean for accuracy. Vudoo guys are worried now!!
Thanks Frank.
The info your putting out on these videos are very valuable to me and many others . I’ve done many dope books but have never thought to do a shot record from fresh clean to starting to loose accuracy . And see how that fares out . Great video
Thanks Willard
Shooting my 457 incorporating your tips, has helped me shooting my Browning 40-65 in BPCR. thanks.
Thats awesome
Great video Josh. Thank you !!!
Thanks Javier
Great stuff! Thank you!
Thanks
Good Vid ... Always knew a rimfire took a bit of fouling .. always thought 20 shots ..Jim
This guy always does a good video. Subscribed
Thanks, much appreciated
That was some great shooting! That new lot is definitely a keeper. That first group you shot with the new lot I swear you could see your heartbeat influence in the scope cam. Then you adjusted your rear bag & shot the .093 inch group! I absolutely believe in a logbook for all my rifles. I keep torque tests for all my ammo changes, along with all my lot testing & group shooting. Great info to get out to others, thanks again!
Thanks Charles and great info. Appreciate ya
very good Magical shooting!
Thanks for all the info Josh. That was some great shooting at 180 yds on the wolf. I personally have never seen that kind of accuracy from a 22 LR.
Thanks terry. Appreciate ya
G’day mate from Australia love watching your vids and I’m learning heaps, setting up a CZ455 myself for bench shooting….🇦🇺
Awesome Anthony. Thanks for watching
Best video yet 👍🏻
Thanks
Good video josh!
Thanks Diesel. Always nice having you in the comment section
Great shooting
Thanks
Great video! 👍🏻
Thanks Nate
Josh, your absolutely killing it on your channel. I have a CZ Varmint, and just ordered the CZ Varmint MTR. Really great in depth info. Really looking forward to the dope videos. I use Strelok+, so looking forward to your tips on using that app. BTW, your shirts are great. Keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot Roger.
I plan to do 3 individual videos on kestrel, strelok, and good ole fashion paper.
The principles apply across all 3 the same but afraid if all 3 need to be explained it will be a crazy long video
Ciao. I contenuti dei tuoi video mi aiutano molto ed inoltre mi piace come li realizzi. Congratulazioni
Impressive shooting. No matter how good the rifle is, it doesn't matter if the shooter can't shoot. You, sir, can shoot.
My cz takes about 15 on a clean cold bore to come in with the match ammo she likes, I will admit I clean quite often, maybe to often but the results I get work for me rather well. As with most things they tend to go south at the wrong time with no maintenance. As always great video Josh!
Haha you are spot on there Scott. Im always juggling the schedule around so cleaning tends to settle at the bottom of my to do list
Hey Josh
Great session Mate you covered everything that I wanted to know , I’m looking forward to your future videos on how your rifles accuracy reacts over time to the amount of ammunition you put through before the groups open up and importantly the future cleaning procedure that You adopt , Im pleased for you that your accuracy has come back great shooting , I’m still waiting to get out of lockdown over here 3 weeks to go before I can go to to the range myself to try my new Timney trigger and clean rifle . Aussie Steve .
Appreciate it and hang in there Steve. You will be shooting 1 hole groups soon enough
Nice
Another great video Josh. Several takeaways for me: 1) the nylon brush was all you needed to get the gun back to good, 2) I'll likely go back to cleaning after every outing, 3) I've been wanting to build a custom bolt gun and while I don't want to be a copycat, I'm having a hard time coming up with a more impressive setup than what you have.If i could only find one !
Hey Jeff I appreciate the comment. Good luck on your build
Hey Josh, another great video and good shooting. I shoot custom CZ BR rifles using SK Pistol Match Special that I wipe off and weigh in weight groups. I put through a cloth patch with a touch of hoppes no 9 then a dry patch after every shoot and find this system perfect.
Good info. Thanks Mark
Josh you would be surprised of how many shooter have not used the zero stop on there scope. They still count clicks instead of using the numbers on there dials. They get lost on there elavtion. They shoot a tin and think they are on zero. Shooting on paper is a great way of improving you understanding on dope.
Thanks Anthony, good information
That was hilarious to watch the bullets bounce off the steel wolf after impact. Reminds me of throwing rocks at something. I definitely need to clean mine it's been a couple thousand rounds.
Yeah its really funny to watch em bounce off. Seems like a pebble hitting it haha
Next time you do shirts you should get some hoodies. It's starting to get cold up here in upstate New York.
Hoodies are a great idea
Another excellent episode Josh. The only other youtube channel thats worth watching is Buffalo Outdoors series with a stock CZ 427 MTR .
As always excellent content with no B******T.
Thanks Buncha
👍
Cz gets a little dirty and a guy jumps on the vudoo wagon 🤣🤣
Shirts showed up today. Very nice 👍
Haha well when you get famous you start replacing rifles as they get dirty 🤣🤣🤣
Nice - I just ordered some Eley Match - I wish I would have found out what your new lot was before I ordered to give it a try
I’m hoping my cleaning brings me back to normal too
I got faith in you Ron
Awesome shooting, now get more shirts on your page!!
Working on getting a new printer
Thanks for another great video, the effort in your editing and the content is really appreciated
I'm newish to shooting and bought a 457MTR about the same time you bought yours, so of course all the video's you've released have taught me so much.
My grouping lately hasn't been that good ( definitely not as good as yours ! ) but I haven't been cleaning my rifle.
You have just answered the old question of clean or don't clean a 22LR.
BTW is it normal for me to hold my breath when you line up the crosshairs ?
Thanks. I try to never hold my breath. I clean up sight alignment as im exhaling. Pause at bottom of my exhale and shoot
man, that's a real tack-driver. Nice that your lot-to-lot looked pretty dang consistant.
The lilja isnt very picky. It seems to shot almost anything pretty well if I keep it clean
Now that’s what I call pursuing accuracy! Nice work. Let’s get that Voodoo on paper beside it, then swap rifles.
Oh thats coming.....
@@PursuitofAccuracy Yes, I really would like to see that too.
Omg that CZ groups👍
It has a custom barrel, now not CZ
It is the LILJA barrel . Best barrel IMHO
Every Vudoo and RIMX made have a "custom" barrel so I think by that logic the CZ is still very much a CZ
Yeah love the Lilja's
Well that took no time at all. One group and good.
Yeah it was pretty quick
I want to your channel till 5M .today i shot a groundhog at 150 yards with my savage TR
Nice Thang
Very impressive! Can you discuss proper "bag setup" that you mentioned in the video?
I will try and put that in a video as it's hard to explain on paper.....and video for that matter but I can hopefully explain my process
Looks like you may have just needed a cleaning. Back to shooting good. I follow a fellow out of Canada he put out a video saying he’s shot 15000 rounds through his CZ 457 . I asked him if it was the same barrel. He hasn’t replied back. Says he’s shooting a voodoo now. Thanks for the video and information great as always
Yeah it definitely needed a cleaning. I honestly dont think you can shoot a 22lr barrel out with match ammunition. I have probably 8k out of my cz
@@PursuitofAccuracy I would think it takes a lot to bum out a barrel on a 22lr. Thanks
Great video and some nice shooting too. That second group with the new batch of ammo was excellent. May I ask what scope and at what magnification you are using at 50 Yards? Thanks for the informative content you are putting out. I'm waiting for my 457 At One to arrive.
Hi David. That was shot with an Athlon Cronus btr gen 2 on 29 power.
Hi Josh. Great video. I’ve watched all of your videos and they are all professionally put together and very informative. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
I recently bought a mtr and am planning to shoot prs production class which I found out about through your videos.
Would you please tell us what cleaning rod you use, and where did you get the aluminum jag?
Also, what brand and size cleaning patches you use and wether square or round?
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and I look forward to future videos!
Where did you get the aluminum jag?
The rod and the jag are all bore tech. Its their 22lr rod and their 22lr double jag.
I use a square patch 1" or 1 1/8".
Did you ever do part 2 of this video concerning the dope. I searched and cant find it
Never cleaned my 457, 2000 of Cci standard rounds in.
Still same consistency 🤷🏻♂️
What’s the best site to get that ammo? I can never find it
Great video! Josh I was wondering when will you be getting your lija 1/9 twist? What is the fastest twist rate, you have encountered on a 22LR? Great shooting! The accuracy of the rifle is amazing...
Hi Brian. The lilja should ship this week. The 9 twist is the fastest twist i have ever personally seen on a 22lr.
@@PursuitofAccuracy
Thank you! I have talked to a guy that said he was running a 1/6.5, he was using the cutting edge 50gr bullets. He said he seen a tremendous improvement at longer range with standard match 40 gr.
I was told on the Anschutz rifles the use a 1/14. Do you know if this is true?
Josh, you do a great job on your video's! What is the brand and model of your bipod? Thanks Dennis
The bipod is an atlas bt46 nc with a rrs arca adapter
Thanks for the videos.. I’m wondering if you even need to foul in the barrel with your best ammo? What if you shot 10 rounds of SK for example.
Doesnt need to be the same but similar lube.
I was wondering if you had looked at, or tried out, slo-mo or frame-by-frame on the scope cam, to see what is happening during trigger pull and firing, since you should be able to sync frames against the sound track, to see how much influence trigger pull has, for instance... just thinking, maybe could show specific 'flyers'?
Ive looked at it for personal reasons but its very hard to seperate the trigger pull from recoil on camera. I also run triggers that are super light.
New to the party... fouling in and practicing fundamentals. In my case, the SK Rifle Match shot very well. The SK Standard Plus shot about as well as CCI Standard Velocity. The SK Standard Plus is just as greasy/oily/waxy (whatever) as the Rifle Match. I was thinking to get some Standard Plus and use it to foul in the barrel and use it for fundamentals practice and reserve the Rifle Match for the lead up to and actual rifle matches (trying to save some money)? Nobody around here has Eley, so can't practice or shoot with that without investing real money on the chance it'll shoot better. Thoughts?
Josh, that was an outstanding.video with your video camera through the scope and amazing groups. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 very impressive.
ps just traded for a Anschutz 1710 & a 1761 thumbhole. I need your advice on what you would recommend for 50,100 &200yd bench for scopes ? I need two scopes and I have $800-850 for each scope. I would like at least two different manufactures. Can you help me out as there are so many to choose from. Thank you
Jim H.
Hi Jim. Nice score on the rifles.
So I woudl definitely be looking at the sightmarks and vortex. Second focal plane, moa, 1/8th" clicks. Thats a good start.
Mil is not fine enough adjudtment for a dedicated bench rest rifle and the more mag you have the better off you are imho
Good video. I can’t find CZ MTR in MD and now I got a Savage mark2 TR . Do you think savage mark2 Tr is good one?
Nothing wrong with the savage. The further you shoot the more important everything becomes. So where a savage may shoot the same size group as a vudoo at 50 it wont be close at 300 yards.
Good shooting. But now do one more ARA target for score. I thinking moving the gun for every shot makes a differences over shooting groups
To the three thumbs down 👎 let's see you shoot better? Ya, didn't think 🤔 so!
There will be hundreds of guys cleaning there .22LR tonight after this video I know mine needs it.
Haha hope so
Please help me. I choose between CZ457 MTR vs Tikka T1x in .22LR.
What would be the best choice! I like both of them, but can buy only one!
Josh, great video man… What rear bag do you use?
Thanks. I use a game changer with heavy fill
With my CZ 452 I do not see any real difference between ELEY Match and ELEY green Sub Sonic at 50 yds. I do see see some at 100 to 125 yds.
Great informative video. What scope camera you using?
Sideshot scope camera
Is stock barrel different
Hey Josh, there was another video I did on cleaning where you said you didn't remove the action anymore. Did you just remove the check riser? I currently have the same one and the Bore guide definitely doesn't fit with the cheek riser on..
Thanks ✌🏽
Yeah i was removing the cheek riser to clean
Did you have to use a special lens on that GoPro to make it work for that scope camera setup?
It has a lense installed by sideshot
What shim are you using for the Lilja barrel with the eley match ammo ?
For my setup i have .003 shim installed.
This will vary a few thou for every receiver.
For eley i recommend starting at .041 and working lower until you get reliable extraction. If bolt close gets hard or crunchy on extraction back off .001 at a min
What brand and where did you purchase Scope Camera.
Its the sideshot gopro setup. Got it from sideshot
What barrel were you using Josh? You are a great shooter and communicator. I learn a lot from your videos. Thanks
Blessings
A lilja barrel. I appreciate the compliment!
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks
Very nice groups. Why not clean the rifle after every session?
No reason not to but for me personally i just dont have the time in my schedule to clean every shooting session
Josh, are you doing any bedding work with your CZs? If so which ones need it?
No bedding but anything without pillars could benefit from bedding in my opinion
What is the name of the scope camera and the cost of it? What is the brand of scope on your rifle and where did you purchase it from? Very impressive shooting.
Scopecam is a sideshot and scope is an athlon cronus
Your showing people all my secrets! Now everyone will be cleaning their gun every outing…
haha
Josh, which model bipod are you using ?
Cheers
Atlas bt 46
Hi Josh, is see you can keep your reticle really still, I have my heart beat jumping the reticle all the time. Any tips preventing that?
Sounds like your rifle is either really light weight or on a very light fill bag.
Get some weight on the rifle will help a lot
Can you suggest a preferred ballistic app for 22LR? Tried several and liking Ballistics AE or Bsllistic ARC. Thanks in advance.
I really suggest a kestrel for competitive use but outside of that strelok is very good
Was thee a follow up to this video? I am wondering how many rounds were shot before accuracy dropped off again
Never got the chance, but seemed to be ok with being dirty overall
Josh I notice you run your bipod feet forward a lot but also feet vertical. Why is that? In either position I notice your rifle doesn’t move much up and down with recoil. Mine seems to bounce a lot more. Thanks for any input you can provide.
Its really just based on how high or low i want the front of the rifle. I would guess my rifles are heavier and thats why they are not bouncing during recoil
A little help please, I am looking at an athlon scope for sale however athlon makes allot of models i dont know witch has good GLASS and i cant find a guide
The glass is all pretty good. Scopes are one thing where the price reflects the quality.
I would set a budget and buy at the top of that budget for any brand you like for the warranty, reticle, and features
Hey, I’m curious, do you shoot off your Tripod? I have the same model. I don’t have a bench to shoot from. I go out into the dessert, it takes a couple of minutes to set up and tear down. I’m recovering from a broken back. Can’t shoot prone. How does it compare to bench shooting?
I do shoot off of the tripod occassionally but its not anywhere near as stable as a bench
@@PursuitofAccuracy That explains a lot. Thanks
What’s the wind wn u shoot that day?
Wind was pretty light. Maybe 2-3 mph
Just curious -
When one shoots matches on a regular basis - the individual says I'm going to try this ammo & these other 2.
Upon ordering - what is the quantity of each ???
5000 or 1000 rounds of each ???
I imagine one match is at least 50 rounds -
A match is typically 100-150 rounds.
I test ammo 3 boxes per lot and then order a case of what works
My rimfire rifle Custom rigs can shoot like that if i take myself out of the equation. 😶 Nice video and good Shooting.😁
My issue as well. The nut behind the trigger is the weakest link
@@PursuitofAccuracy Humble too ! I can't believe how stable you are off of a bipod. The scope cam really tells the story on the weak link status... it aint you bro
@@Jeff-mv4yy haha thanks