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I'm not that invested in watching LCS anymore since the players I like have all left and moved on. But the one thing I still look forward to is seeing Doublelift throw a party every time there's an update on TSM violently burning to the ground, truly glorious. Well, that and listening to Sneaky, Meteos, and Doublelift talk about all manner of random funny shit during the broadcast xD.
Doublelift wouldn't be able to throw a party if Leena wasn't there to help him every step of the way lol
@@nuraby_9228 truuuuuuuuueee, Leena's the real mvp xD
EVERYDAY AT TSM IS A BANGER
Didn't everyone like league more when players would stay on a team for more than 1 season? Growing as a team/real team comradery is half of what made watching e-sports fun in my opinion. Am i wrong?
Oh noes regi said a mean thing. Yall are SOFT. Crybaby gamers. I remember my first confrontation.
@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 says the one using anime pfp
@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 Says the guy who thinks owning dogs is a personality trait
@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 Okay buddy go back to reddit now
75k is low but also have to think about the damage to the brand this has done.
oh nooo wont anyone think about the 500 million dollar company 😥😥😥
I don't think you neeed to consider the damage done to the brand that was for Regi to worry about when he treated his players like shit.
Real damage is in the millions.
bigger thing is the support hotline.
if Regi ends up having another outburst on a player or employee, they can report him to Riot, and already being on probation, you can only imagine the punishments from there
@@FirstnameLastname-yh5fb imagine being too stupid to understand how this can impact the players on TSM.
TSM Employee - "Andy told me I'm as worthless as my work and I might as well just kill myself"
Investigators - "Andy did not sexually abuse any of his employees"
LOL great job!
Can't speak for u, but I'm not turned on by being told to kms 😌
I noticed that. The psychological (eMoTiOnAl DaMaGe??) that bullying and abuse etc can do can be 100% that discrimination based on prejudice.
it was a little unnerving to hear riot say oh he wasnt racist or sexist so its not as bad as it could of been.
idk its just a false equivalency. it doesnt make sense at all.
btw im not saying racism and sexism is okay and im glad its heavily punished obviously.
my argument is just that the damage of abuse can be equal or greater, so the reasoning behind that statement is fallacious and incorrect. thats all.
@@tatooine_dream yes, but its not a matter of severity, but legality. Had they found he had violated those laws, they likely would have handed the investigation over to the authorities and let them handle it. Bullying is bad yes, and can constitute a crime, but criminal conduct will always be handed off
@@totoyuki1 of course. irrelevant to my point. but yea of course
@@tatooine_dream Its not. At no point did they ever say it wasn't as bad, just that he didn't do anything they'd have to hand off to the authorities
Doublelift - “The NA LCS Players’s association is turbo smurfing right now. They are scaled just level 16 Kassadin.”
Bruhhhh, the TSM investigator posing as Riot's investigator explains so much about the huge TSM roster changes
How? I don’t see it.
@@MinteeMusic just imagine Shenyi thinking he's talking to a Riot investigator, sharing all his bad experience with Regi. Fast forward 2 months later, and Shenyi is kicked out with a vey degrading announcement
Following the league scene, I have to agree that what's been done is solid. Dinh isn't the org, he's just a moron. Taking away TSM's slot, doesn't do anything but punish the team and its constituents. Might've been nice to see a perma-ban instead of just two years, but that's still a really long time. TSM would be better off "encouraging" the dude to retire. He brings a lot of bad press to the org, that I'm sure they'd normally want to avoid.
Problem is that they can't forcibly remove him. And if he can't get his shit together all he will do is bring down his org. And, by connection, tarnish the league scene in general. At least LCS. Obvious this doesn't translate to other regions
@@mrmoosetachio ya, it would be nice if he’d just step down. Take the paychecks, but move out so nobody associates him with the org. And I agree, it feels like the LCS quality has just gone down a ton. You can’t really go to watch great gameplay, and the broadcast basically just plain sucks in my opinion. Co-streams were fun, because the personalities were enjoyable to listen to. It actually made it entertaining. I think I was most surprised that they didn’t leverage the mr beast and ninja event more.
@@derudadesigns yea they've been dropping the ball a lot the last couple years. Banning Co streams. Copyright striking highlights channels. Insisting on retaining terrible casting personalities like Le Tigress. It goes on and on.
Shame TSM has such a shit head. I've liked a lot of their players. Even now I wish nothing but the best for Spica. I just dont think Andy's ego will allow him to step down to save his org. He's gonna ride the sinking ship that he put the holes in all the way to the grave
@@mrmoosetachio dude people co stream all the time and there are like 6 channels that upload every lcs game
@@ziegfeld4131 lol outside of super weekends no one co streams. The best we get is vod review streams the day after.
Seriously. Go check out the rules from Rito before trying to chime in again
"Time is on my side" crazy how that works when you're speaking facts
Remember when the independent investigation found nothing? XD
The Bananaman story is a bit sad; since it likely seemed like the world was against him.
That said, Regi was the original 'Hello Banana? I've been counterpicked.' meme
Wukong Regi at its finest.
Prayers up for banana man
Why is Aphelios bullying Wukong?
Omg
LMAOOOOOO
is this implying Doublelift looks like aphelios and regi is a fucking primate?
22:10 double lift read ‘that’s rich coming from wukong himself’ in chat😂😂
TSM pulling an Activision. "We investigated ourselves and found 0 evidence anything happened"
It’s sorta insane for riot to tell anyone else to go to sensitivity training. Also hilarious that regie owns a team is a millionaire and is still just like losing his fucking mind. Respect dude.
Some people are damaged to a point where money can't fix them
I honestly think that the best TSM eployees can do is organize so they can make sure things improve and not go back to what they were before, using the tools Riot let them. Just imagine how awful TSM is towards their own players at this moment they literally made roster changes every week, ruin the carrier of a 19 yearl old Shenyi and in the path of doing the same with rest of the other players, imagine what they will do to other employees if they decide to speak up alone against missmanagment and bad work conditions.
I don't think Rageie is capable of keeping his temper in check for 2 years. I think he'll fuck up and when he does I predict one of two things. A: the TSM board removes him as CEO. Or B: TSM loses its LCS spot with an option to buy back in should the number of teams expand or a spot open up.
lol there is zero chance Regi will ever be separated from TSM. It's either gonna be TSM in or TSM out if he fucks up again.
@@Vendrix86 well it depends. Im not sure what his share percentage is. It also depends on the shareholders agreement. But if his brother and or others who own shares in the company own a greater percentage than he does combined, and they all agree to get rid of him, then he doesn't get a say in the matter. But it is highly speculative for sure. And he absolutely would not do it willingly. I'd wager he'd let it crash and burn before even trying to sell it lol
@@AbominationalFailure yes I'm well aware of how shares work...
I say there's zero chance because of how controlling he is I don't believe for a second he'd give up controlling interest of the company.
It warms my heart to know that Dyrus has read it and has finally found peace.
Riot should add that he needs to change his name to rageaholic regi
I just cant when Wukong started calling someone BananaMan
Tbh this is infinitely more than I expected riot to do.
Yeah, I actually thought he'd skate. It's better than a kick in the head as my mother says.
Yet still not enough
This culture is disgusting. Waaah someone was mean we should ban them and fine them
@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 do you know what actually happened? An owner of a company has a code of conduct to uphold. His actions were egregious
@@bloodyzayne
Waaah he said mean things. Who cares.
The commentary had me dying 😭
I just feel bad for dyrus….
The biggest balance to league of legends to date
3:43 SPOT ON ANDY IMPRESSION! LMFAO
TSM is a dumpster fire organization lmao
banana man will never be forgotten
"Sensitivity training" OmegaLUL
Honestly surprised it took this long before wukong got nerfed.
i remember those days when everyone is trolling regi calling him wukong 😂 shits crazy back then lol
@@elishajohndangat3740 Yeah guess i kinda showed my age with that joke lol.
Wow...Just wow.
Wouldn't be surprised to see TSM withdraw from the LCS
I wonder how Doublelift feels that he is the one who started the whole thing. His first accusation led to TSM having to change their culture and maybe being more careful in bullying their employees(of course the culture won't go through a massive change or anything and Reginald would continue to bully people that he can get away with, but it's something). It must feel extremely satisfying to Doublelift and to anyone who helped put the breaks on this mad organization called TSM. But their financial misconducts don´t seem to be investigated so far.
Double flaming Regi w no filter is gold.
cant wait to check the reddit after this one
TSM WUKONG PERMABANNED IN DRAFT
im begging the editor to find new stock photos of DL ☠
GUILTY! THAT OWNER IS GUILTY!
Ya I seen that and huni doesn't have wrist problems he has respect problem and I support it
21:48 “bananachad” LMAO
that plug dl did, banger.
Dinh I swear is like a real life Homelander!
Riot only did this to limit their liability.
I mean, what do you want the fine to be... Half their company value? It already dropped significantly after all the drama 😂
people saying "75K" is low while im over here living paycheck to paycheck T_T
Makes you wonder why TSM is letting him stay ceo
imagine having to do multiple additional trainings because you work an extremely abusive environment. work for someone else boys/girls
So how long until that tip line lights up with some irredeemable shit
BANANA MAN! 😩 these leaks man….
Sensitivity training as content 😂
sup with this league of legends inspector gadget? god damn
Reminds me (kinda) of how Adam Silver handled Donald Sterling
Not really, Donald Sterling was basically given the death penalty and had to sell his team.
11:12 jesus DL needs to learn to read when it's written right there TSM employees spoke without the TSM investigator there.
He did. His point is the that the tsm investigator was there in the room first & left later making the players unaware they were speaking to two groups
@@MinteeMusic ....He did but it went in one ear and out the other...he went on for some time about the employees speaking with the investigator there. You don't do that unless you missed the obvious info that they had a chance to speak without the investigator. Just look at 9:35. Right after reading it he goes on his rant.
I understand why andy pushes his team, its like a coach pushing his athlete to higher grounds, the issue is that andy doesnt have enough charisma and social skills so that his team doesnt retaliate on him.
JUSTICE FOR BANANA MAN
Holy Fuck I thought this shit only happened in Brazil and China KEKW
Literally 1984
Next video: Dissecting how we lost to Mr.Beast’s team.
What does probation mean?
"FTX Shitcoin" - that comment aged well
Why don't they just give the fine to players he's wronged? Sensitivity training doesn't help people like that.
because this is all a bunch of BS and riot just wants free money.
It'd be like a dollar for each one...
Why don't they just fine the people crying about him being mean online
@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 Yeah he should be free to do whatever he wants to his employees and nobody should hold him or any other boss of a multi-million dollar company accountable for anything.
@@DonYann13 At the time these events happened, TSM had under 100 employees didn't they?
They did nothing worth noting.
Nah, Riot does not want this negative publicity but they can't fire Regi either, so they'll snitch on "trouble employees" to keep the seas calm.
I'm glad riot is doing something, but unfortunately, this is little more than a slap on the wrist.
Because they literally found he did nothing worth bigger punishment lol. Read more than just the ruling
Not true, the probation is really important. If Reginald gets punished again in a similar situation of this scale, he will be in a similar situation with the racist echo fox shareholder: TSM forces him to self his stock (league stock obviously) or TSM gets kicked out of the League. The money is a little amount but all NBA fines are pretty light as well compared to the millions they make. You obviously don't want an extreme amount where the company is losing financially to the point where they have to let go of staff, that would be horrible
@@geraldrea5917 I did. I make a habit of reading everything. The correct answer is they don't want to do anything else because TSM is one of their most popular orgs so they are going to treat this case with kid gloves.
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 TSM is not longer a popular League org. So no nothing you said just made sense
@@geraldrea5917 HAHAHA! Oh wait, your being serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
75k i hope they recover after this.....
wont andy fired lena if he says that she tell him things?
She quit TSM
Reginald in jail before Dyrus
I’ve said this before and I still stood by it. Hotshotgg was the more respectful kindhearted CEO who truly cares about his players and their success than Reginald. Hence why CLG is better than TSM.
Hotshot made all the players write essays about why they should have jobs and also used to encourage players to stand in a circle and flame each other are you joking lmao
@@charlesshaw2464 Let’s just agree Steve is the best boi
@@charlesshaw2464 Bro, that was before and Hotshot even apologized for his actions are you dumb? You're not getting the point? Steve on TL was harsh on his players as well but Reginald on the other hand kept on with his abuse to his players for years. He is nothing like Hotshot or Steve. All that abuse making his players cry and even flaming their coach that they shouldn't have a job just because Regi thinks they're "bad" what does he know beside flaming? My guy literally retired in Season 1? Even the smartest person I know who used to be a part of TSM which is Leena left that shit org. If you're defending Regi, that's all I needed to know about you and we ain't have to talk about nothing. Have a good day
$75k is nothing to Regi. That's pocket change for him. They should've at LEAST gone into six figures. Goddamn. I guess DL doesn't wanna start shit with the LCS tho, which I respect.
For a guy that rich, 6 figures would still be nothing, but the humiliation through those courses and the probation *chef kiss*
This is such a low-level fine
But the brand damage is enormous
Bangers only
Yeah Regi is just a total D Bag, I would have been a pro during his days too lol
The obvious fix is kick TSM out and give the slot to Mr beast, but all they care about is money and TSM is worth too much to make the correct decision.
True and they could be a tier 1 org easily. I heard theyd play ex-LCK winners Emiru and Mizkif.
That’s not fair to the players currently playing out the season
I agree TDN should be kicked but riot should siphon them out for as much as they can through fines
That would prob bring more viewship=money in the short run
@@heehee4341 they would never kick out a 100M + org. Andy would have to kill half his players for them to even consider it. If anything they would expand the league to 12 teams or make immortals dissapear
Why would a monkey hate Bananaman?
TSM sponsors running like rats from a sinking ship
Ram is a vcs team
The U S gov could shut down the lcs. They won't but thy could
he has always been a D bag sense the start of LoL but no one has to work for him either but no one should badger people the way he does either
CLG CLG CLG
Lmao...you're only good for bringing the players bananas is crazy.
I couldnt give less of a shit about this
How anonymous can it be really, or does the guy have no memory of who he abused recently ??
DL was right
this is not nearly enough, Andy was bragging how TSM was worth like 500 million dollars or something like that, 75 thousand dollars is nothing when the person you're fining is a multi millionaire
saying "it's about the message" is ironically missing the point entirely, the money doesn't matter, it's getting lost into valorant skins or something like that, Andy had to get punished in an area where it would actually matter, punishing the TSM league team or even threatening to getting rid of its franchise slot
what's stopping Andy from using all that money he has to silence his victims? CEOs do that shit all the time, and he will 1000% do it you don't even question it
he will be even more ruthless now that he doesn't have any way of getting caught, this "two year probation" bullshit means nothing, this is PR at its finest
just three days ago TSM management was calling its players a "liability", you're already seeing the new way of working in TSM
this is not right
@Catty by punishing the organisation you're forcing the board on TSM and other shareholders to take action against Reginald, one way or another, or they just let him drive TSM into the ground. The single most effective way.
Lol reading some of these comments remind me that the league community is young asf. Some of yall have no idea how big money works.
The hit to TSMs rep is worth millions, new hires and more importantly brands are going to view them differently. If Regie could spend a couple million to make this go away he would. That's why the fine doesn't even matter. Bud every new employee knows their CEO is abuse and there is a hot line, how much money do you think regie would trade to make that not be a thing.
$75,000 might pay for the tip line and other services associated
Turbo smurfing hahaha
A simple solution to this would be to just put Regi into a locked room with every person he's ever abused, then grant those people full legal immunity for 10 minutes.
When he leaves that room, (if he can still walk) I promise you he won't ever bully or hurt anyone else ever again.
People would behave more if the world was more keen on dishing out extreme punishments.
whata banger
Riot's a greedy company always a fine and not an other punishment like they cant play. You say one wrong thing thats most likely true and nope you give us money. Tencent is shit but i love LoL and dislike what riot is doing about everything from pro play to normal games and bugs to mmr to w,e. I mean all game's slowly die off if the company lets it.
LCS is dying
White mode -~-
RIP Bozo
#keepleaguetoxic lol
Yessir
damn im early
Dl ought to studying at schools
Lol what a joke I knew from the very beginning there wasn't anything going to happen to Andy, LCS is a joke nothing will happen to Andy unless he messes with the money, just like Dan Snyder the owner of the Washington Football Team.
Just remove TSM from the league and put mr beast in
Why do we have protected classes in the USA?
Because of how Black people were treated after slavery ended in the US, where they still were denied most of their legal rights most of the time for about 100 years, so they didn’t have fair access to things like voting and courts and the police that would normally help them sort out problems.
Not that they have fully fair access to them now but they REALLY didn’t have access to them when the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.
Protected classes were created for the Civil Rights framework that ended Jim Crow segregation and there’s every reason to believe that if we didn’t have them Black people would be excluded again from a lot of white owned and operated places and would lose access to public remedies and services in certain places as well.
Other protected classes like religion were added for fairness and because this became the way the Civil Rights functioned - especially women, who were at the time involved in a lot of labor disputes where they were being paid less than men for the same job and it was causing a lot of problems (to a far greater degree than today) - but the main reason the framework exists this way is the rampant abuse of Black people.
In particular it also reflects the hostility of state governments toward Black people and their rights and the Feds stepping in to try to counteract it.
@@fenzelian ah so a problem from 50 years ago we are still paying for today even though it no longer exists. Gotta love the government. Also protected classes kind of destroys the whole equal before the law thing it would seem. Probably have the Supreme Court to thank for that.
@@Evongelo have you ever had a job?
@@Vendrix86 yes
@@Evongelo You really think that things are equal in the US now? I'm literally hearing about black people getting shot by your own police weekly and I don't even live in NA.
Grow the fuck up and get some perspective.
everyone is a lil baby
Lol imagine an alpha having to deal with this beta shit.
Lmao what am i watching. Why is Riot acting live everybody's mom? The fact they can actually just demand $75,000 from an entire team because on of them was mean is just mind-blowing. If I was TSM i would refuse. Of course i'm not surprised that a bunch of zoomers are all in favor of total cancel culture on this one. Everyone needs to grow up, if some dude is being an asshole then kick him off the team and off the circuit. Boom. problem solved, everyone can move on. Turning it into this huge drama is absolutely hilarious.
get well soon.
meditation would be really good for you. best of luck.
@@tatooine_dream slay
This has to be a troll lmao, pretending like Dinh is just some employee and not the CEO.