I used to, as a kid, find DS9 boring and too political, especially compared to the exploration in the other series. As an adult, I realise it was bloody brilliant
I feel like I was the only child who enjoyed ds9 over the other shows. It was Bashir and O'briens friendship and Sisko and Jakes relationship that drove the show for me. As I never knew my dad growing up, Sisko was a a nice fantasy Dad. Yaknow?
Thanks for making these videos. DS9 isn’t the latest Trek, but it’s my favorite. The character growth and their interaction with each other was fantastic.
According to Nana Visitor is the DS9 documentary. The affair between Dukat and Kira's mother was originally written that Kira was the one who had the affair with Dukat. Nana Visitor angerily fought against that reveal forcing the writers to change it.
The fd up thing is in that same documentary, Marc Alaimo said his one regret on the series was Dukat never being romantically involved with Kira. And I’m just like “Either Alaimo just really wanted to kiss Nana Visitor, or he was just extremely tone deaf”
Really? It's a great episode and story (is a Garak episode ever bad?), but I always felt the actor playing the Romulan senator fumbled the line. He just didn't hit it right. And he was good throughout, but just did not deliver his most important line.
The Wire also introduced Enabran Tain, who then showed up again in the awesome two-parter "Improbable Cause" and "The Die is Cast" and then the awesomer two-parter "In Purgatory's Shadow" and "By Inferno's Light."
The episodic nature coupled with store archs made it very appealing, because you can jump in at any point and still enjoy it while at the same time if you watch it in order you are treated to another over arching story
DS9 was the biggest departure from the ST formula. That said, I never watched the show when it was on the air, but afterwards I see it as my second favorite (after Voyager) series.
I always thought that it would have been interesting if Odo had joined the Founders midway through the series and had this huge character arc/redemption story.
One minor correction. In the Pale Moonlight was told in Sisko’s personal log or “Captain’s personal log”. At the end he tell the computer to “erase that entire personal log”.
DS9 was hands-down the best Star Trek series. They had incredible character development, intriguing characters, great storylines, fewer filler episodes, in incredible story arcs. It’s ball and chain was the banal, boring, and empty emissary/prophets/wormhole gods arc. If they would’ve left that garbage out, there would be very little to criticize in this series. It was just great TV.
@@yougosquishnow two things. 1. They are still on Netflix in Canada ( I’ve started re watching ds9 and enterprise on Netflix a month ago) and ………….why would they be on peacock? Shouldn’t they be on Paramount Plus+ as NBC does not own the rights to Star Trek, but Paramount does?
Oh my god, I don't think a more hateable character has ever been than Chai Winn. Dude, every time you see her on screen and hear her voice you get a little angry
DS9 has always been my favorite Trek. And Enterprise redeemed itself with the bad ending because it allowed me to watch again with a slightly different viewpoint (I can explain if you want, but it may take a minute) and I ended up enjoying it more on rewatch.
DS9 rotten tomatoes score is 91% while Star Trek Original Series only has 80%. No one says DS9 is inferior to Original Series. Only TNG is rated higher.
She was Lieutenant Commander Dax, not Lieutenant Dax. Check out her 2&1/2 pips on her uniform at 12:55. “Centered around the Trill, Lieutenant* Jadzia Dax… .” 12:59
Second Skin also had a scene that was never shot in which Bashir told Kira that he couldn't confirm whether or not she was Kira Neyrs or Iliana Ghemor.
First "interracial" kiss on Trek? That took place on Space Seed, between a White West European female (Marla McGivers) and a South Asian male (Khan Noonien Singh; actor portraying him was Hispanic). Jake Sisko in _In the Pale Moonlight_ would not have worked, so good on them!
Honesty: While I found the actors portraying B. Sisko & J. Bashear to often be stilted and sub-par, especially compared to the others, I LOVED DS9. These were great episodes
I think Rejoined had more weight as a story with two women. It sometimes feels kinda... cheap? To do the 'society forbids our love' plot with like, two characters who would not face that kind of taboo in our world.
If you’re going to produce content for fans, you do realize we’re the ones who know and remember all this stuff right? The small stuff might seem like it can be easily ignored because it’s just small, but the problem is the big stuff is what everyone knows and it’s the small stuff that really impacts a fan. Mispronounced names is NOT. A small thing so take that how you will.
Im sure Marcus is a lovely guy but Im sorry he clearly isnt a star trek fan….he constantly pronounces names wrongly! I enjoy these videos when I KNOW that the person presenting is also a fan. Sorry Marcus but Sean and Adam need to be presenting these videos
Garak getting exiled over tax evasion would be the greatest thing I've ever heard.
Never mess with the IRS... Or the Cardassian equivalent.
@@KougajiCalling Agreed to quote the Fourth Doctor from doctor who: "Perhaps everyone runs from the taxman!"
@@KougajiCalling Or the Ferengi Commerce Authority .
🌌🔭
Literally this video tonight when I learned that. I need to catch up on my DS9!
@@scottmcintosh4397 Unless it's Brunt. You're legally required to shoot him.
I used to, as a kid, find DS9 boring and too political, especially compared to the exploration in the other series. As an adult, I realise it was bloody brilliant
It used to come on at 1 am and i would stay up to watch back when i was in high school
I found it brilliant as a kid too. I guess I understood the politics at younger age
I felt the way about the series as a kid. But after this video and your post, I’m watching the entire series to see what I missed. Thanks.
I feel like I was the only child who enjoyed ds9 over the other shows.
It was Bashir and O'briens friendship and Sisko and Jakes relationship that drove the show for me. As I never knew my dad growing up, Sisko was a a nice fantasy Dad. Yaknow?
Thanks for making these videos. DS9 isn’t the latest Trek, but it’s my favorite. The character growth and their interaction with each other was fantastic.
👍👏👏👏👏👏👍
To most, Enterprise was the latest Trek.
Calling Winn the Smiling Viper is a perfect fit for her.
According to Nana Visitor is the DS9 documentary. The affair between Dukat and Kira's mother was originally written that Kira was the one who had the affair with Dukat. Nana Visitor angerily fought against that reveal forcing the writers to change it.
Glad the change had been made. Still, even _that_ is just too exploitative.
The fd up thing is in that same documentary, Marc Alaimo said his one regret on the series was Dukat never being romantically involved with Kira. And I’m just like “Either Alaimo just really wanted to kiss Nana Visitor, or he was just extremely tone deaf”
Oh god, that would have been horrible.
@@CaptainEnglehorn everything Marc Alaimo has said about Dukat's character has been incredibly unhinged so this is pretty par for the course
To set the affair during the Occupation would have been a bad choice. Only way it works is if Kira exploits Dukat. But, probably still a stretch.
I think the speech from “pale moonlight” at the end is the finest moment in DS9
In second skin I feel they missed a trick by not having Seska be the Cardassian who they altered Kira to be.
Wouldnt that be voyager missed the trick, as Second skin came out in 1994 , voyager premiered in 1995
@@CaptainEnglehorn true
Seska was busy masquerading as a Romulan working with Starfleet on the Defiant project, at the time. ;)
"IT'S A FAKE!"
I just love that scene.
Really? It's a great episode and story (is a Garak episode ever bad?), but I always felt the actor playing the Romulan senator fumbled the line. He just didn't hit it right. And he was good throughout, but just did not deliver his most important line.
RIP Aron Eisenberg :(
The Wire also introduced Enabran Tain, who then showed up again in the awesome two-parter "Improbable Cause" and "The Die is Cast" and then the awesomer two-parter "In Purgatory's Shadow" and "By Inferno's Light."
Train did not appear in "By Infernos Light" (he died in the preceding episode).
The episodic nature coupled with store archs made it very appealing, because you can jump in at any point and still enjoy it while at the same time if you watch it in order you are treated to another over arching story
Ds9 is hands down the best trek show.
Special mentions for any Garak or Dukat episodes.
Yep. TNG is the famous one, DS9 is absolutely the best.
@@BlazingOwnager TNG has most _screen-hours_ (telly & films combined); DSN has most critical acclaim.
DS9 was the biggest departure from the ST formula. That said, I never watched the show when it was on the air, but afterwards I see it as my second favorite (after Voyager) series.
I always thought that it would have been interesting if Odo had joined the Founders midway through the series and had this huge character arc/redemption story.
One minor correction. In the Pale Moonlight was told in Sisko’s personal log or “Captain’s personal log”. At the end he tell the computer to “erase that entire personal log”.
DS9 was hands-down the best Star Trek series. They had incredible character development, intriguing characters, great storylines, fewer filler episodes, in incredible story arcs. It’s ball and chain was the banal, boring, and empty emissary/prophets/wormhole gods arc. If they would’ve left that garbage out, there would be very little to criticize in this series. It was just great TV.
I agree!!!
So fitting as I actually finished watching DS9 today, going through all the series on netflix
Gotta go to peacock now. A the others left netflix last year.
@@yougosquishnow two things. 1. They are still on Netflix in Canada ( I’ve started re watching ds9 and enterprise on Netflix a month ago) and ………….why would they be on peacock? Shouldn’t they be on Paramount Plus+ as NBC does not own the rights to Star Trek, but Paramount does?
Yes I finished today too. Very enjoyable series.
My favorite series. The politics, religion and war as major plot points wear handled well.
The religion was not handled well. The entire Bajor/Emissary arc was awful and embarrassing. It was the worst thing RDM ever wrote.
Oh my god, I don't think a more hateable character has ever been than Chai Winn. Dude, every time you see her on screen and hear her voice you get a little angry
The last time I rewatched DS9 and saw her first appear my instinctive reaction was to think “ugh that bitch”
The best part is she also played Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
DS9 is by far my Favorite Series. By FAR.
Pale Moonlight is the best Star Trek episode.
Has this presenter ever watched ST, or is he just reading from somebody else's script? The way he mispronounces names suggests the latter.
He's always like this. Du-cat comes up a lot.
Also struggles with a few regular English words too.
The way he said “Ro Laren” would make you think it was one word…
Someone else writes it. Nick Edgeworth on this one. They need a narrator who has seen Trek.
DS9 is best Star Trek. Gul Dukat best TV villian ever seen.
Absolutely! Followed closely by Kai Wynn
DS9 has the best acting performances and great stories :-)
DS-9 is the BEST Star Trek series bar none. So much variety in storylines and characters over the whole show. Truly superb
DS9 has always been my favorite Trek.
And Enterprise redeemed itself with the bad ending because it allowed me to watch again with a slightly different viewpoint (I can explain if you want, but it may take a minute) and I ended up enjoying it more on rewatch.
I simply ignore that episode
I'm sorry, but was that intentional?
Rolla Ren?
Ro Laren.
She and Mark A-lim-o are likely friends. (It’s A-LAY-mo)
I love the videos on this channel in general, but it's always an extra pleasure to get a Marcus video!
In the pale moonlight! :D
You guys should get a fan, like Sean, to present these videos
Wouldn't be a Marcus video without the mispronunciations. I wonder if he has ever actually watched a full episode?
I cringed at Ro La'Ren...
This. Sadly this.
DS9 rotten tomatoes score is 91% while Star Trek Original Series only has 80%. No one says DS9 is inferior to Original Series. Only TNG is rated higher.
She was Lieutenant Commander Dax, not Lieutenant Dax. Check out her 2&1/2 pips on her uniform at 12:55. “Centered around the Trill, Lieutenant* Jadzia Dax… .” 12:59
I love rewatching deep space 9
DS9 is by far my most favorite. I watch at least 1 episode a day
DS9 is clearly the best Trek 🥰
My favorite Star Trek series by far ❤️
Garak was always my favorite. By far the most dangerous person on the station…
Second Skin also had a scene that was never shot in which Bashir told Kira that he couldn't confirm whether or not she was Kira Neyrs or Iliana Ghemor.
This should've stayed.
This is very well written. Good job guys.
Great episode always loved DS 9
First "interracial" kiss on Trek? That took place on Space Seed, between a White West European female (Marla McGivers) and a South Asian male (Khan Noonien Singh; actor portraying him was Hispanic).
Jake Sisko in _In the Pale Moonlight_ would not have worked, so good on them!
I didn't like it when I first saw it, but I think it's my favorite now.
Sisko: Best captain.
Best Trek ever.
I'm assuming the pot shots taken at Kai Winn are partially based on Louise Fletcher's role as Nurse Ratched??
Those were some good changes.
Kira’s mother. . .it’s priceless getting to see Dukat operate. . .what a chick crusher.
Those were all really great episodes in their final form. DS9 is the most under-rated Star Wars series imo.
"...star _wars_ ..." Confused? Typographical error?
DS9 is the best Star Trek Series!
What about "Duet" and "The Visitor" ?
The Bajoran makeup took two hours. Maybe Michelle Forbes didn't want 5am call times or years
💖The wire is my favorite episode💖
"How the spice pudding"
"It's a fake!"
'Nurse Cratchet' at her Finest!
Ratched!
Agree with these choices indeed. WELL DONE
Star trek should make a a series with Academy. Showing how Picard and other got where they are.
The game Starfleet Academy was set in the original movie era and was really good. It featured Shatner, Takei and Koenig.
Rola Ren? 🤦♂️
Marcus, you called Garak a spy-tailor.
He's just plain, simple Garak. A tailor on a Bajoran space station.
Still my favorite Star Trek series!
Best series ever.
Second Skin. . .Kira discovers the truth. . .seconds too late.
Honesty: While I found the actors portraying B. Sisko & J. Bashear to often be stilted and sub-par, especially compared to the others, I LOVED DS9. These were great episodes
Fantastic video!
@7:45 -- "Dictorial?" I think you meant to say "dictatorial."
I think Rejoined had more weight as a story with two women. It sometimes feels kinda... cheap? To do the 'society forbids our love' plot with like, two characters who would not face that kind of taboo in our world.
"Rejoined" may have saved lives? That's some BS right there.
DS9 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Great list! Good job on this one Marcus.
I have to admit, TNG was my #1 for a long time but now im DS9 > Voy > TNG > enterprise
EPIC
Great choices and great writing.
DS9 was really good. Much Better than TNG to me.
The original series was a great success? LOL, they had the hardest time trying to get anyone to give them money for season 2 or 3.
These mispronunciations are killing me.
Her name is Noriss not Keira
"unpaid taxes"
It might only be an Aussie problem but no station has played DS9 on free to air for years anyone know why ?
The last three seasons were great.
Well that was about the worst synopsis of In the Pale Moonlight ive ever heard.
What backlash?
I saw The Kiss, original run, on TV, in the South.
No riots, no threats.
Yep- my Fav!
Please stop doing premiers. It's annoying.
If you’re going to produce content for fans, you do realize we’re the ones who know and remember all this stuff right? The small stuff might seem like it can be easily ignored because it’s just small, but the problem is the big stuff is what everyone knows and it’s the small stuff that really impacts a fan. Mispronounced names is NOT. A small thing so take that how you will.
Ro Larén? talking heads again?
Right? Kinda sad when it shows they haven't heard the name spoken from actually watching the episode.
@@ssjgokuhan exactly.
Best trek for me!
Ahh yes the projuhdee guy
Sorry but I just don't accept that a Cardassian could be "surgically altered" to appear Bajoran or vice reversa, and anyone would be fooled for long.
They had that nonsense in every Star Trek series, including Enterprise
Winn was a right moll!
Why there are no prodigy ups and downs?
I went to uni with the guy who wrote the article for this video
"exiled... for unpaid taxes." hahahahahahaha I forgot about that bs story he told. lmfao
Taxes? Sometimes I do wonder if they even watch Star Trek.
As much as I liked Ro Laren, DS9 would NOT have been the same without Kira
Im sure Marcus is a lovely guy but Im sorry he clearly isnt a star trek fan….he constantly pronounces names wrongly! I enjoy these videos when I KNOW that the person presenting is also a fan. Sorry Marcus but Sean and Adam need to be presenting these videos
Mate don’t gatekeep.. it’s scummy af
Man, even Picard and Kira mispronounced Bajor in the first episode. It's forgivable.
My thought exactly a Trek channel should get the little things correct
Agreed!
I thought it was his accent.
DS9 is the best
Ah it’s nice to hear Marcus’ voice. It feels like it’s been ages!
Totally, love his voice the other dude talks way too slowly.
Unpaid taxes. 🤣🤣🤣
ds9 season 1 is a bit like b5
why is this video so familiar?