This feels more like "least consequential crossovers" than "worst crossover episodes," since you admit yourself that many of these episodes are actually good.
I'm not sure that Firstborn even counts. You coming back from the future to see yourself... if that counts then plenty of others are crossovers too, like when they encounter Picard in a shuttle from the future.
No, the real last episode of Enterprise was "New Worlds, New Civilisations" - the one where Archer and Shran, on the eve of the signing of the Federation Charter, discover a plot by a Caitian-Edoan alliance, backed by the Q, to sabotage the founding of the Federation by turning the whole thing into a complete farce involving a really crappy Next Generation episode in which Riker suddenly gets older or younger depending on whether he's in the holodeck or not. Sorry, but I've had a lot of rum right now, and that final episode makes me REALLY angry even when I'm sober.
@@ashedarke I actually started using it as a nom-de-plum in my university days, back in 1990... you'll notice Gaiman spells it differently to me. The origin is from the folk tale of 'Puss in Boots'.
Not a fan of DS9 (and really, really hate Voyager) but you're right - that episode is still a joy to watch - quirky, enjoyable story with grade A+ effects (plus script plus acting). Best line? Odo: "Another glorious chapter of Klingon history. Tell me, do they still sing songs of the great Tribble hunt?".
Except for the scene from Mirror, Mirror they used, to shoehorn in Sisko so he could "meet" Kirk. They deleted Marlena, substituted Sisko, and the dialogue continued on about how Spock asks Kirk if he knows the "young lady"... and Kirk said no, not really... she just seemed like a nice likeable girl and "we could be friends..."
You're not the first person to make a "Kardashian/Cardassian" joke; and you won't be the last; I'm just wondering: Gene Roddenberry named the Klingons after Wilbur Clingan, so... Could the Kardashians have actually provided a similar name source inspiration?
Tell me you don't understand Star Trek Voyager without telling me you don't understand Star Trek Voyager... The Quark/Harry Kim scene in "Caretaker" was great and helped set up the dynamic and friendship between Paris and Kim. And the callback to the events in Quark's bar in the alternate-timeline episode "Non Sequitur" was brilliant. Things played out differently without Kim there, and we find out Paris got into a fight with Quark, then got arrested by Odo and sent to back to the penal colony. And without a Maquis crossover, we never would have got the absolute joyride of an episode "Worst Case Scenario" where a Maquis mutiny & takeover of Voyager is the central theme of the 'Insurrection Alpha' holodeck program.
Right??! Saying 'there was no point on destroying the Maquis ship in Caretaker' is a very odd opinion given a Maquis/Starfleet crew was supposed to be the main conflict driving the first season. This whole list was a stretch. The writer's needed to try again. It just sounds like they were just writing bs for the sake of putting out a video. Smh
They actually understated "Caretaker". They shouldn't have said the episode was a massive missed opportunity... they should have said the SERIES was a massive missed opportunity.
I feel like i just got click baited. 3 out of 10 are pilot episodes and are ment to help set up the next series showing tie-ins to the world. DS9 pilot was one of the best crossovers, by creating conflict with the all loving Picard and showing repercussions of his actions by being assimilated. Then having Sisko go through his trauma, and finding peace with Picard. Not all crossover episodes have to be groundbreaking and don't have to be considered the worst because of it. The rest (besides the 1st one cause i haven't finished Enterprise) are all great episodes. The sons of Maug was questionable but still a good episode.
I actually really like "Birthright" and preferred the Data & Bashir team-up storyline to the main Worf storyline. Unfortunately, where it slipped-up was featuring absolutely no crossover whatsoever in the second part (apart from a brief name-drop of DS9). The Data storyline's completely dropped, which was a major let-down. Anyway, I'm glad you mentioned that it felt like Dax should've been the one involved, due to the science aspect of the story. I did also want to bring up that TNG did actually return to the dreaming storyline in the Season 7 story, "Phantasms", when Data starts having nightmares. Also, DS9's "Emissary" did actually feature more Patrick Stewart, not just in the beginning and end. The Prophets appear to Sisko as both Locutus and Picard several times.
OMG Birthright Part 1 is one of my favorite episodes!! To me, it shows the POSSIBILITY of Data, and gives a bit more background on him. If there are programs within him that are HIDDEN (waiting for some stage in evolution or event) then not only is he a mystery to others, but to himself as well. In other words, that COULD have opened up a LOT for Data (including the possibility of actual emotions somewhere in him, etc.,) I too, was very disappointed that that wasn't covered at all in part 2. And I agree, more could have been done with DS9. But as far as episodes go, I think part 1 was wonderful. And you are right, they DID follow up in the excellent "Phantasms."
I say this. We did not know when the show first came on that Bashir was genetically enhanced. In retrospect, him and Data working together are birthrights of themselves from their creator.
The “crossover element” in “Caretaker” was intended only to start the series off somewhere familiar and relevant to the plot. Same with Emissary, with Sisko’s loss of his wife at Wolf 359 being a significant part of his character. I’d hardly call these pilot episodes crossovers. “Encounter at Farpoint” briefly had a cameo of a character from TOS to welcome fans of TOS to TNG. Again, not really a crossover, and even less so than the DS9 and VOY pilots.
Well frankly the decision not to evacuate civilians BEFORE engaging the Borg at Wolf-359 was a terrible one and the admiral in command is lucky he died during the fight. Sisko's animosity toward Picard was entirely misplaced, Picard had no control or choice in the matter, the fleet commander did.
@@Vipre- Well the Borg would propably not have won if they did not have Picards Knowledge and tactics of the Federation Fleets and Admirals. So he got a point, without the knowledge perhaps the battle would not have been such a one sided slaughter
@@BansheeRaga They knew the Borg had that knowledge though and still chose to engage with a fleet full of civilians. The three people directly responsible for her death were the admiral, the captain of the Saratoga, and Sisko himself. With two of those three dead it's clear Sisko's anger was actually his own projected feelings of guilt.
I hope they bring back Enterprise after 20 years. That way, "These are the Voyages" becomes a bad season finale (like "Shades of Gray") instead of a bad series finale.
@@raymondcanessa7208, my head canon is that the holodeck program changed aspects of the real story for dramatic effect (much like how our biopic movies and shows change a lot of the real story). So, Trip lived!
I've never sided with the hate for These Are The Voyages, I see what the writers had to accomplish in 44 minutes. Time travel would have just been So Last Year. A '10 Years Later' caption straight after the opening credits, with lots of flashbacks would have been jarring. I did actually like the holodeck story telling idea. But then I generally appreciate the hard work and effort, made by everyone on a TV show that I like.
Hold up. “A Fistful of Datas” is a good episode and I will fight anyone on this. Yes, Alexander is annoying, but all the other characters (Brent Spiner, Brent Spiner, Brent Spiner, and also featuring Brent Spiner) are amazing. 😋
I thought it was pretty cool seeing doctor Bashir in the TNG episode where Data has the dreams and does all the paintings of the birds and the Black Smith.
You guys are way too picky. Some of these were good episodes for the crossover aspect. Just because other elements of the episode stunk shouldn’t bring down the crossover
I would have loved to have seen the original planned version of Chain of Command, which was intended as a crossover episode, but DS9 delays meant that they had to rewrite it. From what rumors that I'd heard, it would have been a 4 part thing, with 2 parts in TNG and 2 in DS9 as a season finale for both of them.
She mentions that Data's ability to dream is never mentioned again, but that's wrong; he has nightmares in the episode "Phantasm" that lead to the discovery of the out-of-phase parasites.
I love False Profits. I once did a watch through of TNG/DS9/Voyager, and watched the TNG episode immediately followed by False Profits. I also enjoy A Fist Full Of Datas...
I liked the pilot episode nods to previous series, McCoy sending off the E-D as an ambassador, Picard deciding if Sisko was right for the job, Voyager departing from DS9 on a routine poking about in the Badlands, and of course, Cochrane's speech in Enterprise, after being convinced by the E-E crew to make first contact... :)
I don't think it's right to say that neither the A nor B plot from Birthright were ever mentioned again. Data's dreams formed the basis for "Phantasms", the one with the "cellular peptide cake… with mint frosting".
I disagree with most of this. One thing that you definitely got correct is that "These are the Voyages " is one the worst episodes of the franchise history.
Deep Space 9 only used characters from Next Gen simply as a way of getting people to tune in since there were fears of it being set on a space station rather than a ship people wouldn't be as interested in it
A missed chance on DS9 was to have Picard revisit Deep Space Nine and meet again with the Emissary in the midst of the Dominion War; all the moreso when one considers that in Generations, Picard says that the Enterprise was the ‘Federation flagship’, yet its successor the NCC1701 E never took part in the events of What You Leave Behind. All things considered, Encounter at Farpoint holds up better than most. Still, given the fate of the Enterprise D, Data apparently never told Jean-Luc of Adm. McCoy’s advice about how to treat the Enterprise. As Janeway knew of the Bajoran wormhole, one wonders why she never had Tom Paris set a course for the Gamma Quadrant after the events of Caretaker. These are the Voyages... would’ve worked better had it been a 2 hour episode. Worst episodes? “Shades of Grey” and “And the Children Shall Lead”’ come to mind.
I've had the theory that they were going to do the crossover episode, but it was going to cover something else, and had already made the arrangements and paid for the actors appearances...I'd assume they saved the filming of the episode for last with the season so as to limit the need for scheduling and to be able to take their time on it. Then they were informed that it would be the last episode and Enterprise wasn't picked up for another season, so ended up scrapping a lot of things and rushed to get a finished story together to wrap what they could up.
The final episode of Enterprise was disappointing and extremely unsatisfying. The premise might have been good, but the execution was rushed, and the story was awful.
@@foegettergames252 - It’s hard to say exactly what kind of arc was actually completed, or how it connected to the series, because nothing really seemed to change for the crew of the NX-01. The characters were exactly as they had been in the very first episode. They weren’t involved in the Romulan War (apparently), there was no satisfying conclusion to the Trip/T’Pol romance which had been built up throughout the series (which made me wonder if their romance during the Xindi Crisis/Temporal Cold War actually occurred in an alternate universe), and not even Ensigns Sato and Mayweather got a promotion to show some semblance of character growth, despite the fact that they were on the sidelines for most of the series.
Brannon Brega apologized to the entire cast of enterprise for adding in Next Gen on last episode & it’s other faults , during a cast interview several years later. The interview is a feature on the 4th season blu ray set.
#4, the situation between Kern and Worf is actually taken up in Star Trek Online, not only bringing Tony Todd's voice work back in, but tying up the loose end quite nicely for the fandom.
Personally, I prefer Move Along Home to Birthright. 7:22 "Neither are ever mentioned again." Ummm, seriously?? It seems to me that Worf references the events of this 2 parter in the episode "Rightful Heir".
"These are the Voyages...", might be the worst crossover episode, but I have to admit that the ending of that episode, when all 3 captains quoting the famous "When no man has gone before" speech was best part of that episode.
Emissary being on this list just feels wrong. But I will concede that it is the weakest "Cross-over" episode of DS9. But considering DS9's weakest episodes are often better than the good episodes of some series.
Emissary can't be the best pilot of the Trek franchise and a top 20 DS9 episode and be a "worst" anything, be it crossover or otherwise. The scenes of the battle at Wolf 359 (not seen in TNG) and the interactions between Sisko and Picard, while brief, are great.
@@ajaiiz Exactly. I really enjoyed seeing Sisko and Picard across from each other. Would have liked to see more of that, but I realize that would diminish the integrity of the Deep Space Nine series.
Honestly These Are the Voyages was not that bad of an episode in my opinion. I thought it was an interesting idea, that maybe wasn't executed the way it should have been. But the worst Enterprise episode? I don't know about that, it was definitely the worst season finale
I think it's fine except for 3 issues: Riker's and Troi's ages (addressed in the video), random, unheroic, death of Trip (addressed in the video), and my least favorite aspect (NOT addressed in the video): those insipid and unbelievable galley conversations between various crew and Chef Riker. One would be too many, and they just keep going back there....
I think I am the only person in the world that likes the last episode of enterprise. Partly because I hated the Trip character, he was a smug git, so his death pleased me. I just remember being really really disappointed we weren't getting another season. I also like Fistfull of Datas, I thought it was funny.
Ha, yea Trip was an obviously forced narrative by uneducated Conservatives to make it seem like "even you farmer Joes with your missing teeth and rusted tractor" can get into space. Like, nah lol. No moronic Duct Tape Mechanic is going to make the program instead of the engineers that actually worked on warp drive. Archer being included in the mission makes sense outside of plot reasons, since he was also highly educated, but Trip was just some idiot.
I actually found “Past Prologue” a really exciting DS9 episode! And not even really knowing Lursa & Be’Tor that well - I had yet to give TNG’s “Redemption” a proper watch, at the time - I immediately got an understanding of what sort of characters they were. This also lined them up really well, ahead of their final appearance in the “Generations” movie.
I really don't get peoples issues with the final episode of Enterprise other than it was the final one. it's as if the writers were forced into an ending quickly, which i reckon wasn't too bad
These are the voyages, Rick has said due to enterprise being cancelled before the planned timeline. They had to wrap the birth of the federation in a few episodes. They tried to be clever in writing the birth of the federation and give the fans the full story. So they thought it was the best way of doing just that.
The problem with Emissary was making Sisko a prick to Picard...and then showing how great Picard was by having him follow O'brien to say goodbye and beam him off his ship. Yes they wanted to show Sisko as his own man and a hard man, but it just put everyone nose out. Thankfully they made Sisko into the awesome leader he became, but it was a badly constructed scene.
Agreed final episode of Enterprise with Riker and Troy appearing to review the final voyages of NX-01 is not great! The second last episode is much better. And Trip and Tpol should have ended up together. No reason to kill off Trip in final show, except to upset fans.
There is no debate about the Series finale of Enterprise. Imagine being told you were being cancelled after only three seasons and to add insult; your finale is just a holodeck visit for Riker fighting with his conscious from a semi good TNG episode.
I’ve always felt that VOY should not have been a spin-off of DS9, but should have been a spin-off of TNG. It would have made better sense for TNG crew to give VOY a send off seeing how the Enterprise wasn’t available for the mission. Also, is it wrong for me to have wished over and over that Alexander would get sucked out of an airlock?
For all intents and purposes - Voyager WAS a spinoff of TNG. The fact that it started at DS9 is only for convenience, as it was the closest Starfleet station to the Badlands. The Maquis were introduced in TNG S6 or 7, and they were supposed to be a primary plot element of Voyager.
7:17 Uh; what? Data keeps up his dreaming habit, going on to have nightmares in another ep. He also goes on to meet his de facto mother, thus expanding on the background of meeting his creator. (Spiner should have said no to stupid Soong scripts in all later series, though.)
I've been watching TrekCulture for several years now, and this is the first video I have to really disagree with. Giving thumbs down to the pilot episodes for trivial things. The "crossover" aspect is nothing more than passing the baton for all intentions.
I personally think one of the worst crossovers is an episode of DS9 in which Johnathan Frakes guest stars. The reason I think the episode is terrible is because the episode was set up to be William Riker appearing on DS9 but that's not what we actually got. The character Johnathan Frakes portrays in the episode is Thomas Riker who was essentially a clone created in a Transporter accident in one episode of the Next Generation. The thing that makes the episode even worse aside from it not actually being William is that Thomas is randomly the villain of the episode even though he was never really a villain in the original episode he appeared in. There was literally no reason for Thomas to pose as William other than to fake out the audience. It made no sense within the actual story. TNG and DS9 are my favorite series in the franchise but I really hate that Thomas Riker episode of DS9. I wish it had been someone else as the villain for the episode and they just actually had William Riker instead because that's the character I actually wanted to see. Even if they were to theoretically bring Thomas Riker back I wouldn't want it to be as an evil clone of William cause that's not what he was.
These are the Voyages was such a slap in the face for the Enterprise crew. They didn't need Troi and Roker for their last episdoe who both looked nothing like they did in the Pegasus episode.
I am of the few who disagree with the finale of ENT having a crossover. Yes, it was rushed. Yes, the TNG actors look old. But, in 2005, this was an amazing thing to see on TV again and my eyes welled up with tears. I wish they had not attempted to fit the timeframe into an episode of TNG and instead just made it stand alone. More Enterprise to follow would have been much appreciated.
God, you're really gonna make me do it, aren't you? These Are The Voyages certainly is a terrible, horrible episode, but I wouldn't dare call it the worst. That title belongs to Code of Honor.
In Star Trek online Kurn regains knowledge that he is worf’s brother, and what has happened. I think you need to do the top 10 best levels of Star Trek Online.
The explaination of linear time in Emissary is one of the best science fiction moments in all of Star Trek. The episode does not belong on any worst list.
Totally agreed. I don’t think whoever wrote this top 10 list knows what ‘worst’ means. Emissary’, to me, is still the greatest pilot episode of Trek. It introduces the conflict well, the characters are already well-drawn for the most part, especially Sisko, and the story is a strong one. The central character of the episode even undergoes a major change. In my opinion, it’s the second best episode of the first season (after ‘Duet’). In no way is it a ‘worst’ episode.
I disagree with Emissary being on this list. A number of these crossovers were there for good reason, to establish connections, MCU style. This was no different. The Enterprise-D was necessary to be there because Chief O'Brien was being transferred. This gave us the beautiful send-off scene where Picard beams O'Brien off the ship. Having Picard also pass Sisko his orders proved important as well, showing that Picard still had to deal with the fallout of his temporary assimilation years later. This is actually something Picard rarely faced, often due to still being called Locutus by the Borg he encountered as well as not being trusted to fight the Borg to protect Earth in First Contact. While happening on DS9 and not TNG, it was important to Picard's story as well as Sisko's how this encounter played out. After all, Sisko was considering leaving Starfleet already at their first meeting. It was only when he felt he had a purpose again through helping the people of Bajor that he truly accepted the assignment and he began to heal. While other DS9 tie-ins weren't as necessarily... necessary..., I feel I should also defend Birthright as well, though oddly only for Dr. Bashir's cameo. As DS9 fans know, Dr. Bashir would eventually replace half of Vedek Bareil's brain with a positronic matrix. While Bruce Maddox had made his own, we never received confirmation on how well it worked. Spending time on the Enterprise and learning about Data's positronic mind does become justified in hindsight, as it was a learning experience for Dr. Bashir, even if the reason for actually being there was... questionable. But actually, it's not the most questionable choice. If you look at a map of the galaxy, DS9 is actually rather far from Romulan space. Actually on the other side of Federation space altogether. Far from being near a likely place where Romulans would keep Klingon prisoners. Especially Klingon prisoners that give them absolutely no tactical advantage. I mean, I get why they would take the Enterprise-C's survivors, but Khitomer was simply colonized by this point. Before the planet was considered a neutral place to the Federation and the Klingons. Anyway, long story short, it was a crossover that was more towards the middle of the pack than anything. Oh. And False Profits likely was written because someone remembered, "Oh, hey! Remember that unstable wormhole that ended up sticking a couple of Ferengi in the Delta Quadrant? You know, the same place Voyager's stuck? Bet that would be a great reason get the crew's hopes up this week!"
Have you forgotten Threshold? My personal headcanon for that episode is that it's an extremely Freudian dream Tom Paris recorded in his dream diary and with all the stuff Voyager went through over the years the data banks got slightly corrupted so that by the time they got home it was mistakenly listed in the official ship log.
@@donkyhotay4583 I'm absolutely certain that Threshold is an actual threshold amongst fans for how intelligent they are. "Durrrr frog secks" is an extremely simplistic way to explain a truly compelling scientific approach to travel, one that is literally a leading theory in modern physics
@@foegettergames252 Threshold has a lot of problems but my single biggest gripe with it is that technically they should have made it home without any problems the next day. Transwarp home, give everyone an injection to counter the side-effects, roll credits.
These are voyages definitely didn't give enterprise the send off it deserved. I'm glad its getting a recent resurgence of fans. It was a weird to choice to make it TNG episode that happened to be on ENT. Would it come off better watching it right after Pegasus? I hope that someone down the line at paramount would at least change the NX to its refit model since that was going to happen if ENT continued to season 5.
I'm so tired of the Enterprise finale getting the trashed so bad. It wasn't the ideal ending, but it was cancelled too soon. I love the cross over as a nice way of closing out the series given the circumstances.
Calling it one of the worst episodes was also quite the stretch. I mean TNG Season 1 has some real bad ones and the same is true of TOS. In fact, I'm sure it's easy to find 10 or even 20 episodes that are worse than These Are the Voyages.
"These are the Voyages" could/should have been retitled "These are the contractual obligations" - plus "we've made it extra sh1tty, as an insult, sorry, bonus to fans. Bye now". What a really crappy ending to a show which was finding it's stride.
One of the worst Cross-overs for me will always be.. JJ TREK ONE - Pains me that the Prime Spock ended his life in that PITIFUL corner of the Trek Franchise
Thank you for putting Sons of Mogh on this list! I find it so unbelievable on many levels, especially with Dr. Bashir going along with the idea. That seems so out of character for him (this is the same man whose conscience kept him from sending future Molly back in time to spare present Molly from spending years in isolation on that planet with the time portal!)
DS9 should have done a sequel episode to TNG *Preempted Strike* in second season where the Maquis led by Starfleet traitor Ro Laren hijack a cargo ship carrying biological material for a Federation in their plan to launch an attack on a Cardassians base. Chief O Brien and Kira should a board to bring the connection to Laren's character (1 being Miles worked along side her during the disaster incident, and 2 being Kira and Laren both suffered under Cardassian occupation). To make a long story short, Ro sacrifice her life to save Miles, Kira and her Marquis crew when the hijacked ship gets attack by Cardassians, even though we never seem her death. That would give the viewers something to debate about whether she still alive or not. A pity that they didn't do that scenario instead of Thomas Riker doing the exact same thing, but with the Defiant.
Appears to me that the fact that these episodes had crossover elements had absolutely nothing to do with why any the episodes in this list were not particularly good. It's just a clumsy criterion that imo goes particularly nowhere. Like you said for the last one; these episodes just were not all that good, period.
We'll Always Have Tom Paris was a terrible use of a guest star, it basically amounted to LOL, Boimler got punched in the face by his hero. We know LD can do way better than that, especially with First First Contact, which did an amazing job of bringing back Sonya Gomez in a way that a) elevated the original character far beyond her original role, b) gave her an implied backstory to fill in the missing years, c) give the Lower Deckers something to aspire to as we know she was once one of them and just as goofy as they were, and d) gave us a new captain who is quite clearly adored by her crew. I'm dying to see more of her adventures.
#5 Birthright You say that neither of this episode's stories are mentioned again. Yes they are, both Data dreaming is a thing, and Worf finding Klingon prisoners of war is a thing. These events are referenced later and played with in future stories. Continuity just was not as strong back in TNG as it is in modern TV.
I wouldn't really consider the 3 pilot episodes listed here as crossovers, because to me at least a crossovers would involve the both casts being significantly involved in the plot. The cameos were just a way of passing the baton from one series to the next
These Are The Voyages is far from the best episode in Trek canon, but I will always argue that it is the most important, simply because it explains away all of the errors and differences and retcons from each series. If you assume that all of the Trek we see on screen are holo recreations from the future, the 60s aesthetic of TOS, the animation of TAS and LD, and even the differences in the films make sense in context as holodramatizations from, say, the 30th century. We know through TNG that Starfleet personnel make recreations of others in Startfleet, through Voyager that there are still authors that create narrative based holoprograms based on their real lives, and through ENT that Starfleet members will insert themselves into recreations based on incomplete log entries and testimonials from historic ships at the time. When we view The Cage, what we are seeing is what some liuetenant in the 24th century thinks makes a good aesthetic choice for telling stories from that era. Decades later, an ensign gets really into early Enterprise history, and creates a holodrama that results in SNW. At some point in between, the civilian spouse of an engineering NCO starts wondering what actually happened to the missing ship Discovery from several decades prior, and creates a narrative around that, inserting characters either whole cloth or from a crew roster, and giving them quirks, storylines, relationships, and motivations, and adding lots of drama resulting in DISCO. LD is entirely Tendi's creation, deciding to write a memoir in holo format with an animated about her formative years in Starfleet with the best friends she ever had on the ship that remained her favorite all those years later. Under my theory, the only "True" moments we have seen on screen to date are; Picard season 1&2, and the Troi/Riker seens in the ENT finale. Everything else is an in-universe stylistic choice by an aspiring holonovelist.
the effects on this video were quite good! ALSO - Berman talks about the way ENT ended on the Shuttlepod Show with Dom Keating and Conner Trinneer, if you haven't heard that yet!
I did hear that particular podcast, and the sting of that series finale still hurts a bit, but not as much as it did when the episode originally aired…, also, Dom and Con are really classy guys.
If they wanted to bring Q to DS9 they should have gone with battle of the gods (continuum vs prophets) or at least battle of the lead where Q could have unfold a scenario similar to Q-pid to reconcile Picard and Sisko.
When it comes to identical universes, it's fine to have crossovers. When they're in the 24th century, it's not really a crossover per se other than just the show title differences. TNG and DS9 x-overs were great. I, myself, really love Birthright pt 1.
Crossovers are great - they build on association and make the franchise stronger. What are the top 10 "best" crossovers then? Sorry, not a fan of this one!
I think a dishonorable mention should be that episode of DS9 with Thomas Riker as it was kinda clingy seeing him flirt with Kara and how he gets hauled off to a POW camp with the promise of saving him, on Canon that never happened so they wasted a character with a lot of potential for nothing but a lackluster crossover.
I liked the first episode of Birthright. It was further development of data's humanity. It also was the basis for the episode where data stabbed Troi. Data would fall asleep and not wake up.
I loved Q-less. From the moment O'Brien saw Q on the promenade, I can only imagine the language that came out of his mouth as he went strait to Cisco 😂
The crossover in “Caretaker” was fine for the purpose it had. It was meant to start the series off. Quarks bar is the social centerpiece of Deep Space Nine. That episode has many problems, but this crossover wasn’t one of them. The episode “Emissary” did exactly what it was supposed to do. Show the pain Sisko was in and the blame Sisko put in Picard. I thought it was really well done and definitely shouldn’t be on a “worst crossover” list. “These are the voyages” definitely deserves to be on number 1 of this list! It deserves to be on any “worst” list, on number 1!
I will not stand for "a Fistful of Datas" slander. I love that episode.
Agreed.
Definitely!
No trek episode with Marc Alaimo in it is truly bad.
One of the worst episodes of TNG.
Loved it, and with a perfect ending.
This feels more like "least consequential crossovers" than "worst crossover episodes," since you admit yourself that many of these episodes are actually good.
I'm not sure that Firstborn even counts. You coming back from the future to see yourself... if that counts then plenty of others are crossovers too, like when they encounter Picard in a shuttle from the future.
That sounds like something the two Trek Nerds would say on South Park.
You can’t include emissary in any “worst” list
Even more, most aren't even proper crossovers but mere cameos. A crossover requires several characters and the other show still running.
@@ashedarke I think the crossover element of Firstborn is Quark’s scene, not Alexander.
The Last Episode of Star Trek: Enterprise was "Terra Prime".... no idea what are you talking about here.
I'm confused. They said this was a list of 10 episodes, but there were only 9.
No, the real last episode of Enterprise was "New Worlds, New Civilisations" - the one where Archer and Shran, on the eve of the signing of the Federation Charter, discover a plot by a Caitian-Edoan alliance, backed by the Q, to sabotage the founding of the Federation by turning the whole thing into a complete farce involving a really crappy Next Generation episode in which Riker suddenly gets older or younger depending on whether he's in the holodeck or not.
Sorry, but I've had a lot of rum right now, and that final episode makes me REALLY angry even when I'm sober.
@@marquisofcarrabass just wanted to say I appreciate your Neverwhere based username 👍
@@ashedarke I actually started using it as a nom-de-plum in my university days, back in 1990... you'll notice Gaiman spells it differently to me. The origin is from the folk tale of 'Puss in Boots'.
@@marquisofcarrabass I only ever saw the BBC TV adaptation of it so I never saw it written down. Very interesting though 👍
Anyone who would compile this list hates Star Trek. There are multiple amazing episodes on this list. This channel should not do "worst" lists.
Best for me will always be DS9 in TOS. The Tribbles episode. They did a stellar job fitting in the new characters to the old episode.
Not a fan of DS9 (and really, really hate Voyager) but you're right - that episode is still a joy to watch - quirky, enjoyable story with grade A+ effects (plus script plus acting). Best line? Odo: "Another glorious chapter of Klingon history. Tell me, do they still sing songs of the great Tribble hunt?".
Except for the scene from Mirror, Mirror they used, to shoehorn in Sisko so he could "meet" Kirk. They deleted Marlena, substituted Sisko, and the dialogue continued on about how Spock asks Kirk if he knows the "young lady"... and Kirk said no, not really... she just seemed like a nice likeable girl and "we could be friends..."
Are you kidding me? The Kardashians were terrorizing the federation? I'd expect that out of Kim but not Chloe.
You're not the first person to make a "Kardashian/Cardassian" joke; and you won't be the last; I'm just wondering:
Gene Roddenberry named the Klingons after Wilbur Clingan, so...
Could the Kardashians have actually provided a similar name source inspiration?
@@willmfrank I thought Cardassians were named after the Japanese Cardass games.
Tell me you don't understand Star Trek Voyager without telling me you don't understand Star Trek Voyager... The Quark/Harry Kim scene in "Caretaker" was great and helped set up the dynamic and friendship between Paris and Kim. And the callback to the events in Quark's bar in the alternate-timeline episode "Non Sequitur" was brilliant. Things played out differently without Kim there, and we find out Paris got into a fight with Quark, then got arrested by Odo and sent to back to the penal colony. And without a Maquis crossover, we never would have got the absolute joyride of an episode "Worst Case Scenario" where a Maquis mutiny & takeover of Voyager is the central theme of the 'Insurrection Alpha' holodeck program.
This episode is an entire exercise in not understanding Star Trek at all, and the reason I unsubscribed.
Right??! Saying 'there was no point on destroying the Maquis ship in Caretaker' is a very odd opinion given a Maquis/Starfleet crew was supposed to be the main conflict driving the first season. This whole list was a stretch. The writer's needed to try again. It just sounds like they were just writing bs for the sake of putting out a video. Smh
Is that first sentence a Zoomer/Boomer crossover meme/joke crossover? :P
One of the very few times Harry Kim's character was actually well used.
They actually understated "Caretaker". They shouldn't have said the episode was a massive missed opportunity... they should have said the SERIES was a massive missed opportunity.
I feel like i just got click baited. 3 out of 10 are pilot episodes and are ment to help set up the next series showing tie-ins to the world. DS9 pilot was one of the best crossovers, by creating conflict with the all loving Picard and showing repercussions of his actions by being assimilated. Then having Sisko go through his trauma, and finding peace with Picard. Not all crossover episodes have to be groundbreaking and don't have to be considered the worst because of it. The rest (besides the 1st one cause i haven't finished Enterprise) are all great episodes. The sons of Maug was questionable but still a good episode.
I actually really like "Birthright" and preferred the Data & Bashir team-up storyline to the main Worf storyline. Unfortunately, where it slipped-up was featuring absolutely no crossover whatsoever in the second part (apart from a brief name-drop of DS9). The Data storyline's completely dropped, which was a major let-down. Anyway, I'm glad you mentioned that it felt like Dax should've been the one involved, due to the science aspect of the story. I did also want to bring up that TNG did actually return to the dreaming storyline in the Season 7 story, "Phantasms", when Data starts having nightmares. Also, DS9's "Emissary" did actually feature more Patrick Stewart, not just in the beginning and end. The Prophets appear to Sisko as both Locutus and Picard several times.
OMG Birthright Part 1 is one of my favorite episodes!! To me, it shows the POSSIBILITY of Data, and gives a bit more background on him. If there are programs within him that are HIDDEN (waiting for some stage in evolution or event) then not only is he a mystery to others, but to himself as well. In other words, that COULD have opened up a LOT for Data (including the possibility of actual emotions somewhere in him, etc.,)
I too, was very disappointed that that wasn't covered at all in part 2. And I agree, more could have been done with DS9. But as far as episodes go, I think part 1 was wonderful. And you are right, they DID follow up in the excellent "Phantasms."
Birthright was amazing!!! This list they made is ridiculous. That's several great episodes on this list.
I say this. We did not know when the show first came on that Bashir was genetically enhanced. In retrospect, him and Data working together are birthrights of themselves from their creator.
The “crossover element” in “Caretaker” was intended only to start the series off somewhere familiar and relevant to the plot. Same with Emissary, with Sisko’s loss of his wife at Wolf 359 being a significant part of his character. I’d hardly call these pilot episodes crossovers.
“Encounter at Farpoint” briefly had a cameo of a character from TOS to welcome fans of TOS to TNG. Again, not really a crossover, and even less so than the DS9 and VOY pilots.
Exactly - like passing on the baton, as it were.
Well frankly the decision not to evacuate civilians BEFORE engaging the Borg at Wolf-359 was a terrible one and the admiral in command is lucky he died during the fight. Sisko's animosity toward Picard was entirely misplaced, Picard had no control or choice in the matter, the fleet commander did.
I disagree. If Sisko wants to feel aggrieved then he is justified in doing so.
@@jackdubz4247 Of course he was justified, he just directed it at the wrong person.
@@Vipre- Well the Borg would propably not have won if they did not have Picards Knowledge and tactics of the Federation Fleets and Admirals. So he got a point, without the knowledge perhaps the battle would not have been such a one sided slaughter
@@BansheeRaga They knew the Borg had that knowledge though and still chose to engage with a fleet full of civilians. The three people directly responsible for her death were the admiral, the captain of the Saratoga, and Sisko himself. With two of those three dead it's clear Sisko's anger was actually his own projected feelings of guilt.
I hope they bring back Enterprise after 20 years. That way, "These are the Voyages" becomes a bad season finale (like "Shades of Gray") instead of a bad series finale.
"These are the Voyages" ruined Star Trek for me. I always wonder now if later on we will find out it's another holodeck episode
@@raymondcanessa7208, my head canon is that the holodeck program changed aspects of the real story for dramatic effect (much like how our biopic movies and shows change a lot of the real story). So, Trip lived!
I've never sided with the hate for These Are The Voyages, I see what the writers had to accomplish in 44 minutes.
Time travel would have just been So Last Year.
A '10 Years Later' caption straight after the opening credits, with lots of flashbacks would have been jarring.
I did actually like the holodeck story telling idea.
But then I generally appreciate the hard work and effort, made by everyone on a TV show that I like.
Now that NCIS: New Orleans is canceled, Scott Backula is is free to do it.
@@joefarr2260 Hopefully T'pol and Trip can fix this on SNW
Hold up. “A Fistful of Datas” is a good episode and I will fight anyone on this. Yes, Alexander is annoying, but all the other characters (Brent Spiner, Brent Spiner, Brent Spiner, and also featuring Brent Spiner) are amazing. 😋
You forgot Brent Spiner... not to be confused with Brent Spiner.
Ah the pre Combs days...
Thank you for your opinion, Brent Spiner. heh.
How can you not give credit to Spot in that episode? ("Vamoose you little varmint.")
I thought it was pretty cool seeing doctor Bashir in the TNG episode where Data has the dreams and does all the paintings of the birds and the Black Smith.
You guys are way too picky. Some of these were good episodes for the crossover aspect. Just because other elements of the episode stunk shouldn’t bring down the crossover
I would have loved to have seen the original planned version of Chain of Command, which was intended as a crossover episode, but DS9 delays meant that they had to rewrite it. From what rumors that I'd heard, it would have been a 4 part thing, with 2 parts in TNG and 2 in DS9 as a season finale for both of them.
Chain of Command was fine as it was.
@@Shan_Dalamani I'd still love to see what the original plan for it was.
She mentions that Data's ability to dream is never mentioned again, but that's wrong; he has nightmares in the episode "Phantasm" that lead to the discovery of the out-of-phase parasites.
I love False Profits. I once did a watch through of TNG/DS9/Voyager, and watched the TNG episode immediately followed by False Profits. I also enjoy A Fist Full Of Datas...
Sirtis as a cowgirl is enough to make A Fist Full of Datas to top tier Trek
Yes, it's great when 2 completely different series connect so well with a singular shared storyline like these episdoes. A cool rarity indeed!
I liked the pilot episode nods to previous series, McCoy sending off the E-D as an ambassador, Picard deciding if Sisko was right for the job, Voyager departing from DS9 on a routine poking about in the Badlands, and of course, Cochrane's speech in Enterprise, after being convinced by the E-E crew to make first contact... :)
I don't think it's right to say that neither the A nor B plot from Birthright were ever mentioned again. Data's dreams formed the basis for "Phantasms", the one with the "cellular peptide cake… with mint frosting".
Would somebody ANSWER THAT *DAMN* PHONE?!
@@tetravega567 The Android phone with unlimited Data. 😏
@@Beohun No charges for all that random roaming.
@@Beohun I hate that I found that funny
I disagree with most of this. One thing that you definitely got correct is that "These are the Voyages " is one the worst episodes of the franchise history.
I share your opinion. Beside "These are the Voyages" I'd like to ask: If these are the worst crossover episodes, than which ones are the best?
Deep Space 9 only used characters from Next Gen simply as a way of getting people to tune in since there were fears of it being set on a space station rather than a ship people wouldn't be as interested in it
A trope used by spinoff series everywhere. Hardly worthy of "worst episodes" status
A missed chance on DS9 was to have Picard revisit Deep Space Nine and meet again with the Emissary in the midst of the Dominion War; all the moreso when one considers that in Generations, Picard says that the Enterprise was the ‘Federation flagship’, yet its successor the NCC1701 E never took part in the events of What You Leave Behind.
All things considered, Encounter at Farpoint holds up better than most. Still, given the fate of the Enterprise D, Data apparently never told Jean-Luc of Adm. McCoy’s advice about how to treat the Enterprise.
As Janeway knew of the Bajoran wormhole, one wonders why she never had Tom Paris set a course for the Gamma Quadrant after the events of Caretaker.
These are the Voyages... would’ve worked better had it been a 2 hour episode.
Worst episodes?
“Shades of Grey” and
“And the Children Shall Lead”’ come to mind.
*the final episode of Enterprise just made me angry for wasting such a good premise on such a phoned in script*
I've had the theory that they were going to do the crossover episode, but it was going to cover something else, and had already made the arrangements and paid for the actors appearances...I'd assume they saved the filming of the episode for last with the season so as to limit the need for scheduling and to be able to take their time on it.
Then they were informed that it would be the last episode and Enterprise wasn't picked up for another season, so ended up scrapping a lot of things and rushed to get a finished story together to wrap what they could up.
Yep, me too.
The final episode of Enterprise was disappointing and extremely unsatisfying. The premise might have been good, but the execution was rushed, and the story was awful.
It seemed clipped, but it does it's job of completing the arc and connecting to the rest of the series
@@foegettergames252 - It’s hard to say exactly what kind of arc was actually completed, or how it connected to the series, because nothing really seemed to change for the crew of the NX-01. The characters were exactly as they had been in the very first episode.
They weren’t involved in the Romulan War (apparently), there was no satisfying conclusion to the Trip/T’Pol romance which had been built up throughout the series (which made me wonder if their romance during the Xindi Crisis/Temporal Cold War actually occurred in an alternate universe), and not even Ensigns Sato and Mayweather got a promotion to show some semblance of character growth, despite the fact that they were on the sidelines for most of the series.
Brannon Brega apologized to the entire cast of enterprise for adding in Next Gen on last episode & it’s other faults , during a cast interview several years later. The interview is a feature on the 4th season blu ray set.
I feel like it could have worked in principle as a mid season episode, but not the finale.
You don't like "A fistful of Datas?" GASP! I really like that one.
#4, the situation between Kern and Worf is actually taken up in Star Trek Online, not only bringing Tony Todd's voice work back in, but tying up the loose end quite nicely for the fandom.
Personally, I prefer Move Along Home to Birthright.
7:22 "Neither are ever mentioned again." Ummm, seriously?? It seems to me that Worf references the events of this 2 parter in the episode "Rightful Heir".
Literally none of the episodes are crossovers, in the traditional sense.
"These are the Voyages...", might be the worst crossover episode, but I have to admit that the ending of that episode, when all 3 captains quoting the famous "When no man has gone before" speech was best part of that episode.
It must be said that the exterior shots of the Enterprise-D were pretty special as well.
I don't think many of these episodes are crossovers. And most of them are pretty good episodes, In fact, I just kind of agree with number 1.
Emissary being on this list just feels wrong. But I will concede that it is the weakest "Cross-over" episode of DS9. But considering DS9's weakest episodes are often better than the good episodes of some series.
Emissary can't be the best pilot of the Trek franchise and a top 20 DS9 episode and be a "worst" anything, be it crossover or otherwise. The scenes of the battle at Wolf 359 (not seen in TNG) and the interactions between Sisko and Picard, while brief, are great.
Thank you both, agreed
How did Emissary end up on this list? The best parts of that pilot were the crossover scenes.
@@ajaiiz Exactly. I really enjoyed seeing Sisko and Picard across from each other. Would have liked to see more of that, but I realize that would diminish the integrity of the Deep Space Nine series.
Honestly These Are the Voyages was not that bad of an episode in my opinion. I thought it was an interesting idea, that maybe wasn't executed the way it should have been. But the worst Enterprise episode? I don't know about that, it was definitely the worst season finale
I think it's fine except for 3 issues: Riker's and Troi's ages (addressed in the video), random, unheroic, death of Trip (addressed in the video), and my least favorite aspect (NOT addressed in the video): those insipid and unbelievable galley conversations between various crew and Chef Riker. One would be too many, and they just keep going back there....
@@watts111 I'll admit it takes away from the TNG episode Pegasus. Makes the original story fall flat.
Thank all gods past and present that there was only one “Q” episode in DS9. (“These Are The Voyages” really is bad.)
I have to agree with you. Sisko and Q's interactions were not as compelling as Picard and Q or Janeway and Q.
I liked Q in DS9 as he knew how to push Sisko's buttons. But yeah, he is better in TNG and Voyager.
Q-less is not a bad episode but just not as good a Q episodes in TNG and Voyager
I think they really needed a Q break at that time so I welcomed the relatively Q free DS9
I disagree with the comment about Firstful of Datas it's a fantastic episode.
I think I am the only person in the world that likes the last episode of enterprise. Partly because I hated the Trip character, he was a smug git, so his death pleased me. I just remember being really really disappointed we weren't getting another season. I also like Fistfull of Datas, I thought it was funny.
Ha, yea Trip was an obviously forced narrative by uneducated Conservatives to make it seem like "even you farmer Joes with your missing teeth and rusted tractor" can get into space.
Like, nah lol. No moronic Duct Tape Mechanic is going to make the program instead of the engineers that actually worked on warp drive. Archer being included in the mission makes sense outside of plot reasons, since he was also highly educated, but Trip was just some idiot.
I feel that their was a missed opportunity to have the TNG cast show up for Worf and Jadzia Dax's wedding episode.
That one episode would probably have cost more to make than the rest one the season
I actually found “Past Prologue” a really exciting DS9 episode! And not even really knowing Lursa & Be’Tor that well - I had yet to give TNG’s “Redemption” a proper watch, at the time - I immediately got an understanding of what sort of characters they were. This also lined them up really well, ahead of their final appearance in the “Generations” movie.
I really don't get peoples issues with the final episode of Enterprise other than it was the final one. it's as if the writers were forced into an ending quickly, which i reckon wasn't too bad
These are the voyages, Rick has said due to enterprise being cancelled before the planned timeline. They had to wrap the birth of the federation in a few episodes.
They tried to be clever in writing the birth of the federation and give the fans the full story. So they thought it was the best way of doing just that.
The problem with Emissary was making Sisko a prick to Picard...and then showing how great Picard was by having him follow O'brien to say goodbye and beam him off his ship. Yes they wanted to show Sisko as his own man and a hard man, but it just put everyone nose out. Thankfully they made Sisko into the awesome leader he became, but it was a badly constructed scene.
this seems more like a list of every crossover, other than subtle references how many more crossovers were there?
Yeah, the end of Enterprise was just a complete misstep in making it some holodeck/TNG thing. Just a blunder.
Nah - more like lazy interlaced with a dollop of 'couldn'tgiveashitness".
The profits were former Q who ascended with the help of the ancients from Atlantis. Now that would be a crossover.
Agreed final episode of Enterprise with Riker and Troy appearing to review the final voyages of NX-01 is not great! The second last episode is much better. And Trip and Tpol should have ended up together. No reason to kill off Trip in final show, except to upset fans.
or to be realistic about how some moronic tractor mechanic would no way last in space
@@foegettergames252 Impressive, you've managed not to get an account banned for 3 whole months this time :p
There is no debate about the Series finale of Enterprise. Imagine being told you were being cancelled after only three seasons and to add insult; your finale is just a holodeck visit for Riker fighting with his conscious from a semi good TNG episode.
Enterprise had 4 seasons.
Who’s out here thinking “Sons of Mohg” was unfulfilling? Who made this list?
I’ve always felt that VOY should not have been a spin-off of DS9, but should have been a spin-off of TNG. It would have made better sense for TNG crew to give VOY a send off seeing how the Enterprise wasn’t available for the mission.
Also, is it wrong for me to have wished over and over that Alexander would get sucked out of an airlock?
For all intents and purposes - Voyager WAS a spinoff of TNG. The fact that it started at DS9 is only for convenience, as it was the closest Starfleet station to the Badlands. The Maquis were introduced in TNG S6 or 7, and they were supposed to be a primary plot element of Voyager.
Voyager had that "one ship alone in space" feel of TOS with the technology of TNG era and beyond.
VOY should be considered a parallel show to DS9, because that's what it is.
Alexander fulfilled the Annoying Kid trope. Groaned every time he appeared
I think 99% of fans would agree with you about the airlock.
7:17
Uh; what? Data keeps up his dreaming habit, going on to have nightmares in another ep. He also goes on to meet his de facto mother, thus expanding on the background of meeting his creator. (Spiner should have said no to stupid Soong scripts in all later series, though.)
I've been watching TrekCulture for several years now, and this is the first video I have to really disagree with. Giving thumbs down to the pilot episodes for trivial things. The "crossover" aspect is nothing more than passing the baton for all intentions.
This list is bad and you should feel bad... except These are the Voyages, that was awful.
I personally think one of the worst crossovers is an episode of DS9 in which Johnathan Frakes guest stars. The reason I think the episode is terrible is because the episode was set up to be William Riker appearing on DS9 but that's not what we actually got. The character Johnathan Frakes portrays in the episode is Thomas Riker who was essentially a clone created in a Transporter accident in one episode of the Next Generation. The thing that makes the episode even worse aside from it not actually being William is that Thomas is randomly the villain of the episode even though he was never really a villain in the original episode he appeared in. There was literally no reason for Thomas to pose as William other than to fake out the audience. It made no sense within the actual story. TNG and DS9 are my favorite series in the franchise but I really hate that Thomas Riker episode of DS9. I wish it had been someone else as the villain for the episode and they just actually had William Riker instead because that's the character I actually wanted to see. Even if they were to theoretically bring Thomas Riker back I wouldn't want it to be as an evil clone of William cause that's not what he was.
These are the Voyages was such a slap in the face for the Enterprise crew. They didn't need Troi and Roker for their last episdoe who both looked nothing like they did in the Pegasus episode.
I am of the few who disagree with the finale of ENT having a crossover. Yes, it was rushed. Yes, the TNG actors look old. But, in 2005, this was an amazing thing to see on TV again and my eyes welled up with tears. I wish they had not attempted to fit the timeframe into an episode of TNG and instead just made it stand alone. More Enterprise to follow would have been much appreciated.
God, you're really gonna make me do it, aren't you? These Are The Voyages certainly is a terrible, horrible episode, but I wouldn't dare call it the worst. That title belongs to Code of Honor.
That wasn't a crossover. Try to keep up.
@@Shan_Dalamani Watch to the end of the video, they called it the worst in general, not just of the crossovers.
@@ComradePhoenix Code of Honor was not a crossover. Period.
@@Shan_Dalamani I'm aware.
In Star Trek online Kurn regains knowledge that he is worf’s brother, and what has happened. I think you need to do the top 10 best levels of Star Trek Online.
The explaination of linear time in Emissary is one of the best science fiction moments in all of Star Trek. The episode does not belong on any worst list.
Totally agreed. I don’t think whoever wrote this top 10 list knows what ‘worst’ means. Emissary’, to me, is still the greatest pilot episode of Trek. It introduces the conflict well, the characters are already well-drawn for the most part, especially Sisko, and the story is a strong one. The central character of the episode even undergoes a major change. In my opinion, it’s the second best episode of the first season (after ‘Duet’). In no way is it a ‘worst’ episode.
The 'Petticoat Junction' one was EXCRUCIATING!
I liked the 90s tradition of having a cameo from the previous series in opener of a new Trek show.
Take that back, "A Fistful of Datas" is a great episode!
I disagree with Emissary being on this list. A number of these crossovers were there for good reason, to establish connections, MCU style. This was no different. The Enterprise-D was necessary to be there because Chief O'Brien was being transferred. This gave us the beautiful send-off scene where Picard beams O'Brien off the ship. Having Picard also pass Sisko his orders proved important as well, showing that Picard still had to deal with the fallout of his temporary assimilation years later. This is actually something Picard rarely faced, often due to still being called Locutus by the Borg he encountered as well as not being trusted to fight the Borg to protect Earth in First Contact. While happening on DS9 and not TNG, it was important to Picard's story as well as Sisko's how this encounter played out. After all, Sisko was considering leaving Starfleet already at their first meeting. It was only when he felt he had a purpose again through helping the people of Bajor that he truly accepted the assignment and he began to heal.
While other DS9 tie-ins weren't as necessarily... necessary..., I feel I should also defend Birthright as well, though oddly only for Dr. Bashir's cameo. As DS9 fans know, Dr. Bashir would eventually replace half of Vedek Bareil's brain with a positronic matrix. While Bruce Maddox had made his own, we never received confirmation on how well it worked. Spending time on the Enterprise and learning about Data's positronic mind does become justified in hindsight, as it was a learning experience for Dr. Bashir, even if the reason for actually being there was... questionable.
But actually, it's not the most questionable choice. If you look at a map of the galaxy, DS9 is actually rather far from Romulan space. Actually on the other side of Federation space altogether. Far from being near a likely place where Romulans would keep Klingon prisoners. Especially Klingon prisoners that give them absolutely no tactical advantage. I mean, I get why they would take the Enterprise-C's survivors, but Khitomer was simply colonized by this point. Before the planet was considered a neutral place to the Federation and the Klingons.
Anyway, long story short, it was a crossover that was more towards the middle of the pack than anything.
Oh. And False Profits likely was written because someone remembered, "Oh, hey! Remember that unstable wormhole that ended up sticking a couple of Ferengi in the Delta Quadrant? You know, the same place Voyager's stuck? Bet that would be a great reason get the crew's hopes up this week!"
Hate to disagree, but the farm season of the walking dead is one of the best seasons.
Worst episode of the franchise...period.
Code of Honor has entered the chat
Have you forgotten Threshold? My personal headcanon for that episode is that it's an extremely Freudian dream Tom Paris recorded in his dream diary and with all the stuff Voyager went through over the years the data banks got slightly corrupted so that by the time they got home it was mistakenly listed in the official ship log.
I see your "Code of Honor" and raise "A night in sickbay".
@@donkyhotay4583 I'm absolutely certain that Threshold is an actual threshold amongst fans for how intelligent they are. "Durrrr frog secks" is an extremely simplistic way to explain a truly compelling scientific approach to travel, one that is literally a leading theory in modern physics
@@foegettergames252 Threshold has a lot of problems but my single biggest gripe with it is that technically they should have made it home without any problems the next day. Transwarp home, give everyone an injection to counter the side-effects, roll credits.
These are voyages definitely didn't give enterprise the send off it deserved. I'm glad its getting a recent resurgence of fans. It was a weird to choice to make it TNG episode that happened to be on ENT. Would it come off better watching it right after Pegasus?
I hope that someone down the line at paramount would at least change the NX to its refit model since that was going to happen if ENT continued to season 5.
I'm so tired of the Enterprise finale getting the trashed so bad. It wasn't the ideal ending, but it was cancelled too soon. I love the cross over as a nice way of closing out the series given the circumstances.
Much the same. Its time for people to see it as what it was. Not the ENT series finale, But the era finale of TNG-ENT
Calling it one of the worst episodes was also quite the stretch. I mean TNG Season 1 has some real bad ones and the same is true of TOS. In fact, I'm sure it's easy to find 10 or even 20 episodes that are worse than These Are the Voyages.
"These are the Voyages" could/should have been retitled "These are the contractual obligations" - plus "we've made it extra sh1tty, as an insult, sorry, bonus to fans. Bye now". What a really crappy ending to a show which was finding it's stride.
Honestly, I loved move along home.
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It's bad, but not as bad as the reputation it gets.
One of the worst Cross-overs for me will always be.. JJ TREK ONE - Pains me that the Prime Spock ended his life in that PITIFUL corner of the Trek Franchise
Them brushing off the T'Pol/Trip romance in the final episode of Enterprise is a good thing. It was terrible.
Thank you for putting Sons of Mogh on this list! I find it so unbelievable on many levels, especially with Dr. Bashir going along with the idea. That seems so out of character for him (this is the same man whose conscience kept him from sending future Molly back in time to spare present Molly from spending years in isolation on that planet with the time portal!)
DS9 should have done a sequel episode to TNG *Preempted Strike* in second season where the Maquis led by Starfleet traitor Ro Laren hijack a cargo ship carrying biological material for a Federation in their plan to launch an attack on a Cardassians base. Chief O Brien and Kira should a board to bring the connection to Laren's character (1 being Miles worked along side her during the disaster incident, and 2 being Kira and Laren both suffered under Cardassian occupation).
To make a long story short, Ro sacrifice her life to save Miles, Kira and her Marquis crew when the hijacked ship gets attack by Cardassians, even though we never seem her death. That would give the viewers something to debate about whether she still alive or not. A pity that they didn't do that scenario instead of Thomas Riker doing the exact same thing, but with the Defiant.
Appears to me that the fact that these episodes had crossover elements had absolutely nothing to do with why any the episodes in this list were not particularly good. It's just a clumsy criterion that imo goes particularly nowhere. Like you said for the last one; these episodes just were not all that good, period.
Birthright was mentioned again, in the TNG episode "Phantasms". You know, the episode where Data has a phone in his chest.
'These are the voyages' is not just bad because it was a mediocre episode, it is worse because it is the series finale.
We'll Always Have Tom Paris was a terrible use of a guest star, it basically amounted to LOL, Boimler got punched in the face by his hero.
We know LD can do way better than that, especially with First First Contact, which did an amazing job of bringing back Sonya Gomez in a way that a) elevated the original character far beyond her original role, b) gave her an implied backstory to fill in the missing years, c) give the Lower Deckers something to aspire to as we know she was once one of them and just as goofy as they were, and d) gave us a new captain who is quite clearly adored by her crew. I'm dying to see more of her adventures.
#5 Birthright
You say that neither of this episode's stories are mentioned again. Yes they are, both Data dreaming is a thing, and Worf finding Klingon prisoners of war is a thing.
These events are referenced later and played with in future stories.
Continuity just was not as strong back in TNG as it is in modern TV.
I wouldn't really consider the 3 pilot episodes listed here as crossovers, because to me at least a crossovers would involve the both casts being significantly involved in the plot. The cameos were just a way of passing the baton from one series to the next
Including those episode were quite a stretch, but she had to have something to fill time in his video.
@@johnhollo6881 tbh I was thinking of crossovers between Trek and other shows outside of Trek
These Are The Voyages is far from the best episode in Trek canon, but I will always argue that it is the most important, simply because it explains away all of the errors and differences and retcons from each series. If you assume that all of the Trek we see on screen are holo recreations from the future, the 60s aesthetic of TOS, the animation of TAS and LD, and even the differences in the films make sense in context as holodramatizations from, say, the 30th century. We know through TNG that Starfleet personnel make recreations of others in Startfleet, through Voyager that there are still authors that create narrative based holoprograms based on their real lives, and through ENT that Starfleet members will insert themselves into recreations based on incomplete log entries and testimonials from historic ships at the time. When we view The Cage, what we are seeing is what some liuetenant in the 24th century thinks makes a good aesthetic choice for telling stories from that era. Decades later, an ensign gets really into early Enterprise history, and creates a holodrama that results in SNW. At some point in between, the civilian spouse of an engineering NCO starts wondering what actually happened to the missing ship Discovery from several decades prior, and creates a narrative around that, inserting characters either whole cloth or from a crew roster, and giving them quirks, storylines, relationships, and motivations, and adding lots of drama resulting in DISCO. LD is entirely Tendi's creation, deciding to write a memoir in holo format with an animated about her formative years in Starfleet with the best friends she ever had on the ship that remained her favorite all those years later. Under my theory, the only "True" moments we have seen on screen to date are; Picard season 1&2, and the Troi/Riker seens in the ENT finale. Everything else is an in-universe stylistic choice by an aspiring holonovelist.
I actually like this idea- but it still doesn't make me feel any better about These Are the Voyages. 😒
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"I am the God"
"You are no God!"
Always makes me laugh.
I like the heart transition with Garak and Bashir
the effects on this video were quite good!
ALSO - Berman talks about the way ENT ended on the Shuttlepod Show with Dom Keating and Conner Trinneer, if you haven't heard that yet!
I did hear that particular podcast, and the sting of that series finale still hurts a bit, but not as much as it did when the episode originally aired…, also, Dom and Con are really classy guys.
@@MsSissiePooh Yeah! Have been really enjoying their podcast, so far!
Back on form editor Martin 👍
Thanks man, had a lot of fun with this one. Worf's Animal House type pantie raid was a good laugh 😂
If they wanted to bring Q to DS9 they should have gone with battle of the gods (continuum vs prophets) or at least battle of the lead where Q could have unfold a scenario similar to Q-pid to reconcile Picard and Sisko.
Gotta hard disagree... Sons of Mogh is by far NOT one of the worst crossover episodes. I thought that one was great, and gave Kurns arc a fitting end.
You got NO. 1 right!
"This isn't as bad as Fistful of Data's" ....get out of here with that malarkey.
When it comes to identical universes, it's fine to have crossovers. When they're in the 24th century, it's not really a crossover per se other than just the show title differences. TNG and DS9 x-overs were great. I, myself, really love Birthright pt 1.
I don't even need to watch this to know that the Enterprise finale is number 1 on this list.
All hail Empress Littlechild!
What about the episode of Deep Space Nine where Thomas Riker the transporter duplicate of Commander William Riker steals the Defiant?
Crossovers are great - they build on association and make the franchise stronger. What are the top 10 "best" crossovers then? Sorry, not a fan of this one!
There already is a 10 Best Crossovers, this is in fact the follow up to that 👍
@@ashedarke Oh, OK. Thanks :-)
Excuse you, Fistful of Data's was an entertaining episode
I think a dishonorable mention should be that episode of DS9 with Thomas Riker as it was kinda clingy seeing him flirt with Kara and how he gets hauled off to a POW camp with the promise of saving him, on Canon that never happened so they wasted a character with a lot of potential for nothing but a lackluster crossover.
What about The Defiant showing up from TOS into enterprise in the mirror universe.
Season 1 TNG is still better than season 2 Picard. The entire season saw a padded out episode. Such wasted potential.
I liked the first episode of Birthright. It was further development of data's humanity. It also was the basis for the episode where data stabbed Troi. Data would fall asleep and not wake up.
I loved Q-less. From the moment O'Brien saw Q on the promenade, I can only imagine the language that came out of his mouth as he went strait to Cisco 😂
The crossover in “Caretaker” was fine for the purpose it had. It was meant to start the series off. Quarks bar is the social centerpiece of Deep Space Nine. That episode has many problems, but this crossover wasn’t one of them.
The episode “Emissary” did exactly what it was supposed to do. Show the pain Sisko was in and the blame Sisko put in Picard. I thought it was really well done and definitely shouldn’t be on a “worst crossover” list.
“These are the voyages” definitely deserves to be on number 1 of this list! It deserves to be on any “worst” list, on number 1!
So, in reverse order this is actually The Best Of. 🖖
This list suggests any crossover is poor, just to add up to 10 to talk about.