Linoy Ashram VS Dina Averina (Ball Difficulty Analysis) | 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2021
- I analyzed the difficulty of Linoy Ashram's and Dina Averina's ball routines at the Olympics Finals.
Linoy won this round so all you haters(pro-Linoy) who keep saying I'm biased towards the Averina twins can screw it! :)
#LinoyAshram #DinaAverina #RhythmicGymnastics - Zábava
I wish I understood this sport. I just see the beauty and intricate movements but I don't understand anything.
That's okay. u can just enjoy the beauty. I think it's better that u don't know because the moment u understand how the score works, u will just constantly score the elements while u watch the routine...lol
same xD all I know is when they drop something that's probably not good
Yes, but when you REALLY drop, but not only IMAGINE.
You would also translate the program "Время" на английский.
@@crybaby-bd9xg Soon theatricality will go away to the new rules, skill and sport will come, according to points - you need to spin and be physically stronger. The use of immature children in professional sports should be prohibited.
Thank you very much for the analysis,
How is this an analysis when you use clips from 2 different competitions? It does not reflect honestly the Olympic competition.
Just what I thought too!
Agree
Maybe she doesnt have money to pay for copy right? I saw many clips on tokyo only uploaded on youtube.
Exactly. Clickbait.
Thanx for uploading!
Can I know where I could see full version of Tokyo Olimpic rythmic gimnastic game?
It is out on youtube now
Finally there is with conentator, czcams.com/video/XOqbcLTTlqM/video.html
That is completely messed up and wrong because you used feeds from EU championship mixed with Tokiyo Olimpics. How do you expect this analysis to be accurate when you mix two different competitions with totally different performances. Even if you take and compare Linoy's ribbon from Tokyo qualification and finals it would look quite different.
That's why I specifically used the footages of the elements they used in tokyo from Varna because of copyright reasons. I made sure to use the footages from the Olympics of their changes of the routines. If you play the video from the olympics and this video side-by-side, they will play the same elements.
@@crybaby-bd9xg I understand but it is not accurate. Linoy nailed all her difficulties during the final, while she missed a lot of points in the qualification. Code of point has changed so much that Execution doesn't matter anymore as long as you score high in difficulty. Because we don't have permanent and open score boards we can't say what was performed and what was missed.
BTW if you put another video in the background with some audio feed you can still add the Tokyo in small window as it is. It won't be detected and removed. Similar to this
czcams.com/video/FSe9jip04F8/video.html
Where do you find the newest code of points?
CoP 2022-2024: www.gymnastics.sport/publicdir/rules/files/en_RG%20CoP%202022-2024.pdf
For this year: www.gymnastics.sport/publicdir/rules/files/en_RG%20CoP%202017-2020%20with%20Errata%20Dec.%2017.pdf
YAY i was def excited for this one bc its crazy they got the exact same score!!! notes as always :)
linoy:
0:21 - agree it looks questionable, but think it was paid (as you said) bc its about the hand position during the catch and it was def behind her head (if that makes sense??? lol)
0:35 - I think you accidentally added a rotation? there is only three in this risk :)) (therefore, it's a 1.2 risk)
0:39 - side note but this AD is one of my favs i just think its so coooool
0:48 - it's likely these were counted as AD3 and AD4 based on the fact she goes to the floor and this makes it easier to have 2 body heights between the floor and height of throw, but agree with your analysis that they should've been counted as AD2s
0:55 - her execution of this in the final meant it wouldn't have been counted (AD3)
1:37 - agree that they were only just off the 8sec mark, but the judges would've counted bc its almost impossible to see a difference of less than 1sec
I agree with most of your analysis!! I think, if we were to be the imagined judges of the OG, that we would've counted the AD3 and AD4 that i mentioned in my 4th point, and the DS would've been counted in my 6th point. Also, the first risk was -0.1 and her AD3 on the floor was poor execution (-0.3). Therefore, this takes her score to a 19.1 (which is what she got!!) WOO
dina:
2:01- over my dead BODY is this an AD (it was def counted tho, everyone does it too, it just makes me mad bc its like basic handling i learnt when i was less than 10 lol)
2:04 - IT MAKES ME SO MAD THAT SHE HELD THIS BALANCE FOR SO LONG (WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL) BUT HAS A BENT BOTTOM KNEE SO PROBS GOT AN EXECUTION DEDUCTION DAKFLDJALF, at least its still valid tho
Hi Amy, thanks for ur feedback as always :)
0:21 yeah I know what u mean. :)
0:35 oops, my bad. Why did I count it as R4? lol
0:39 it's very cool indeed!
0:48 yup it is 2 AD2s.
0:55 yes there was a slight fumble, but I mean she did execute the AD so wouldn't she have gotten the AD score?
1:37 I felt a lil stingy about not giving her the DS score but I mean, as objective as possible right? Maybe she needs to throw the ball higher so it would take longer to fall for the AD catch.
2:01 there are a lot of cheap ADs like this in this cycle so...
2:25 much better balance at the actual olympics. :)
2:40 Okay this is where I'm confused with ur statement. U keep mentioning the catch in rotation criteria but I'm really confused because I have not given that criteria in that risk or the other risk. I think u r being confused or u r misunderstanding the criteria I've given. I have given this risk a 0.8 because she threw the ball with a rebound and without the help of her hands, two chaine turns(2 rotations), and immediately turning into an illusion(3rd rotation and change of axis) while rethrowing(another criteria) the ball without sight. There is no in rotation criteria here...
3:20 again, it doesn't matter if she caught with sight because she did a rethrow in her risk. I wouldn't say the rethrow was a separate AD as I would say it was part of the risk. If u were to say it was a risk and AD combination, it would be a 0.5 risk and AD3. 0.5 risk because she threw the ball without sight and after a bounce(which is a criteria), two chaine turns, and catching with one hand. if it was a high rethrow, then the next AD she caught would be an AD4 instead of AD2.
3:32 yeah. really great way to end the routine. very dramatic and an instead stop (if u know what I mean)
Please let me know about the in rotation confusion, and as always, thank u for ur feedback! :)
@@crybaby-bd9xg OKAY so i just read the CoP and see the rebound section you're referring to!!!
However, in my opinion this 're-throw from different parts of the body/floor' I don't think would constitute the hands....
I would this this is more like Linoy's hoop risk where she does that walkover and it bounces off both her legs, if that makes sense? it's quite an iconic one and its the first one i thought of hahaha
Alternatively, rebounding the ball off the forearms after a risk (like volleyball style) would also count in this criteria.
I just don't think this criteria was created with this in mind... but its confusing and non-specific tbh so maybe they did count it this way!
@@rhythmicgymnastics.mp4782 yeah, giving the rebound criteria for the throw seems a lil too generous huh? maybe perhaps just the without hand criteria should been given for the throw. :)
@@crybaby-bd9xg oh i wouldn't give rebound for the throw i agree, im talking about rebound/re-throw as the illusion portion of the catch... i just dont think its eligible?
if you have a look at the second risk in Clematis RG's review of Dina at europeans, she also counted it as a risk and then an AD... idk its confusing haha
Когда смотришь их параллельно Дина тихоходка. К ковру пришита.
Может из за травм.
But what about Linoy's ribbon routine? Linoy lost her ribbon and she had to crawl to pick it! And she grabbed her ribbon so awkwardly, so rudely! Linoy's ribbon routine was not bad, but it was nothing trully special. On the contrary Dina's ribbon routine was thrilling, terrific and much more difficult and very expressive!!! If you deciced to give an analysis, you should analyse four routines. We have only one solid winner and this is Dina Averina!
The Olympics is an all around event. If there would have been a ribbon final you would have been correct. Dina had the most points of all gymnasts in artistry here (it couldn´t be better), but this alone don´t helps you with the gold medal. The Olympics is just an all around and the scores of all aparatuses are combined. Linoy already had solid points from the rounds before. Besides that, the Code of points of these Olympics don´t gives losses a huge weight in deduction. This is the reason why Dina herself won several competitions during this time period while having losses with her aparatuses. A loss is not a garantee to lose the gold medal with this Code of points and Dina herself proved it several times. This plus the unlimited difficulty can give you a gold medal, the deduction you recieve can be "easily" caught up with the unlimited difficulty.
Who crawl at the carpet at Rio 2016 to catch the clubs but still missed it maam? Thats the crawl that ur talking about maybe🤭
Than why your little Dina was world champion in 2018 with the ribbon on the fricking ground huh ?
Can't tell causey you keep switching back and forth... And they're not even both from the Olympics...
Btw, if it isn't hard for you, could you do an analysis with Dina ribbon 2018 WC and Linoy ribbon 2018 WC and compare Dina's drop in 2018 compared to Linoy's drop 2021, please. I was just really interested because I am not a judge or anything, but I feel like they are different drops.
I tried to count the drops by using COP, but I am not really familiar with it, so there is a high possibility I am wrong.
I used 2 different COP the 2017-2020 and 2021-2024, but I think there is no difference really much when it comes to drops. For Dina's drop, I counted her jump which I think is 0.4, and her throw 0.4 (but I am not sure if the throw counts), but didn't count her catch 0.3. I deducted 0.5 for the drop without steps and 0.5 because the ribbon was more than a meter on the floor. For Linoy's drop, I did not count her throw or catch which the mastery is 0.7. I deducted -0.3 because during the throw the ribbon did not go off the floor a meter, the 2 steps to get the apparatus -0.7 and 0.5 because the ribbon was on the floor more than a meter.
I am not good at the stuff, but I wanted to try to lol, please give me feedback because I want to learn the COP.
hiiii just thought i’d help you out with this!!! (it’s rhythmicgymnastics.mp4 btw hehe)
regarding “ribbon on the floor” - you don’t take this criteria after a drop. essentially, you can’t “double dip”.
therefore for dina she would’ve lost:
0.7 ET - loss with retrieval of 1 step
0.2 EA - connection and rhythm deduction
0.1 ET - body segment not held correctly (she jolted when she realize she dropped and bent her elbows)
in terms of difficulty the following would’ve been paid;
turning stag arch leap (0.5)
(i think it was a turning leap from memory??)
AD throw (0.3, questionable criteria but it’s a maybe)
hope that answers your question!
@@rhythmicgymnastics.mp4782 omg heyyyy thanks Amyyy
@@rhythmicgymnastics.mp4782 I am not familiar with COP, so I just looked at it and thought “ribbon on the floor a meter” counted as a criteria, thanks for answering 💗
@@rgcomets hiiii not a worry !!!
What about Jete en tournanrt Linoy were head is not touching the leg in the shape is not good? And waves is mandatory and she have no waves at its -0.3
Those are execution deductions, whereas this is an analysis of difficulty. They are two separate scoring elements
This doesn't tell iwhat the description says it will, as the description of the content and the actual clips presented don't match.
Почему вы бросок на аттитюде считаете, как 0,2? Мы смотрим сверху, поэтому для нас мяч чуть ниже. Два роста там точно есть-бросок 0,3, соответственно, и ловля 0,4.
Потом, в финале у Линой не получилась передача ногами, а повтор не считается-передача 0,0. А следующая работа-это как раз передача без помощи в положении на полу и без зрительного-она стоит 0,3. Далее, как это нет 8 секунд на дорожке? Там их 9! На дорожке можно делать 1 АД. И снова передача без помощи, без зрительного на полу стоит 0,3.
У Дины на первом пенше работа без зрительного на равновесии 0,2, потом, если мы увидели форму элемента и опознали ее-мы не может не считать его (тербушон), просто даём сбавку у судей Е, а значит бросок считается. Далее перед танцевальной дорожкой есть ловля на 0,4: без помощи, в отбив. А вот ловля на равновесии (на финале было равновесие с согнутой ногой) не получилось, потому что ловля и равновесие не совпали, плюс руки были чуть впереди-нет критериев. Ну и последний бросок средний скорее всего по 0,2 за бросок и ловлю.
В этом во всем: у меня скорее вызывает вопрос последняя передача ногами у Дины. Потому как там очень сомнительный критерий "вращение". Если у нас база-это передача без помощи, то нужно ещё два критерия. На полу есть, а вот этот мини поворот крайне странный.
Какие итоговые баллы должны стоять у девочек согласно вашим комментариям?)
@@arinalapina1389 если не ошибаюсь, у меня мячи вышли ровно на 0.1 больше у обеих (по сравнению с судейством ОИ), но нужно точно уточнить. НО здесь я сразу оговорюсь:мы снова смотрим сверху, а некоторые броски нам вообще не показали, поэтому это может быть очень необъективно
Averina shoud have won no question
I like your analysis very educated, the only analysis missing is for the hoop. =) but all this is very appreciated.
When we will know,who will be the winner 🏆
2:04
"Она все сделала идеально" говорили они.
Я не судья, но мне очевидно, что этот элемент не выглядит так. Это очевидно не может быть засчитано.
True😊
@Lina - kun мне были заметны 🤷 Просто не нужно рассказывать как идеально все делают сестры, когда это не так.
@Lina - kun я это видела ещё во время трансляции ОИ
Но мне интересно, где тут унижение?
Это просто не идеальный (как все утверждают с пеной у рта) элемент - факт. ;)
@Lina - kun я сомневаюсь, что все люди которые писали Линой "фейковая победительница" понимают правила лучше меня.
И тем не менее, я начиталась этого выше-крыши.
Я не оскорбляю Дину или Арину, не оскорбляю спортсмена, в отличии от преданных фанатов сестричек, но выразить свое мнение имею право.
Я как сторонний зритель, который не знает правил, не оценила этот элемент и это упражнение 🤷
@Lina - kun ахахахах ок
Linoys penche pirot was 0.9 bc 0.3 + 3 x 0.2 = 0.9. so Linoys BD is 5.1
Мне больше нравится Дина ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Hii amazing video pls do more❤️
Linoy:
0:23 not ad for sure
0:27 this turn is horrific tbh 0:( because her releve is constantly falling and she started on releve but fall not a bd💔
1:11 she clearly sees apparatus during throw part so 0.7
Linoy:17.7
Dina:
2:42 re-throw in illusion was also done under the leg +0.1 for that
3:23 catch from large throw without any doubt
Dina:18.9
2:42 I'm not sure about under the leg. seems a lil too generous.
thank u for watching again! :)
@@crybaby-bd9xg in judging workshop they said like that also my coach😊
@@Rgjudging hiiiii
i think the risk in question shouldn’t actually have any of the catch criteria!
in order to get a catch in rotation, out of sight must be applicable. however, we can clearly see she catches the ball and then does the illusion. in my opinion, the risk should be 0.3 and the AD should be 0.2!
@@rhythmicgymnastics.mp4782 no you didn’t understood..re-throw was done without vision,under leg that’s a part of catch
@@Rgjudging no i understand perfectly - you can’t count this rotation, nor it’s criteria, as part of the risk as it
a) interrupts the risk
b) the rotation of catch was done with vision and therefore cannot be counted
Начало было сложным у Линой, а концовка у Арины
You are dealing with psychological violence against the gymnasts
?
I'm sorry?
Dina more grace, expression and song coordination. She moves to the music.
Linoy Ashram is only a "temporary champion" 🤣🥇because she makes others feel a bit speculative.🤮
First, because the Israeli players are generally not of high quality.
Second, she dropped the ribbon but the judges still showed her favor.🤬😱
Dropping the Rubin does not count! However, difficulties count more! Check the new rules. As to Israel been temporary champion, 😂 you are wrong. The new European champion as of today, is in fact another Israeli.
Could you sound a little less prejudice?
And your dina will never be an olympic gold ever. Shes too old for paris 2024 even rafaelli can beat her😅
Dina number 🥇👍🏼
Dina is the truth champion
😂😂😂😂😂😁😁😁😁
Champion at having bad sportsmanship. Ugly on the inside.
I dont think so
No she is not!
Wake up😅
Линой ты лучше мы свидетели ваших выступлений даже если тебе ставили третьи вторые места не отчаивайся! Ставили эти места' потому что ты силь ный конкурент тебя боятся Дорогая Линой ты по ступенькам все выше и выше ксамому Солнышку которое есть Золото!
She is a champion🥇, but she was lucky to win, but she was still insufficient.🥈
The champion knows that her country is clearly lagging behind in this regard.🥉
😂😂😂
Dina averina is the original champion with a drop. WC sofia 2018...
💪🇮🇱 Linoy!!!!!!