WHAT WENT WRONG for RUSSIA at THE 2021 OLYMPICS in rhythmic gymnastics? Why did Linoy Ashram win?
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I just read the comments and it is so disrespectful to Bulgaria.Nobody talks how brilliant the winner was BUT how Silver medalist were robbed from the gold. Appreciate the opponents work Russians and show how you can loose with dignity. Bulgaria has lost with dignity for many many years and these discussions for fraud, misjudgment etc is ruining the what to be called "the happiest moment" in Bulgarian Rhythm Gymnastic. Bulgaria deserved the Gold. Period!
@@staslurik I think you should go and check the scoring again. Russia was closest to 3rd rather than 1st place. Nobody robbed Russia. Are people so ignorant to not appreciate HOW INSANELY difficult Bulgarian routine was? Difficulty gives you more scores. Since when we do not appreciate other team's hard work and show respect and sportsmanship? Bulgarian team since its 1st appearance in 2017 has shown only world class performances. They worked very very hard for years and finally got the fruits for their dedication. Show some respect! Period! It is even shameful sitting here focusing only on Russia and not taking off the ignorant glasses so that to see the other teams' routines.
@@staslurik Dina won World Championship in 2018 Sofia with a drop or you forgot that? Is easy not to remember this right?
@@aleksandrayancheva1473 Linoy Ashram dropped an apparatus in Sofia 2018 aswell!
Stas Lurik They dropped ball in the qualifications? Is this important in the finals, I thought the scoring is just for the finals...
@@ilfbforever7292 exactly the qualification has nothing to do with the final. Firstly, they basicly do it all over again in final, Q round is only decide who will be in final. Second, Bulgaria dropped the clubs, not ball.
To my opinion nothing went "wrong", but other teams are becoming more competitive, not just in Rhythmic gymnastics, but also in the Artistic one. Russia didn't do "bad", it's just that more countries are now rising the bar.
Yes and for me nothing went wrong Bulgaria deserved the gold
@@Natali-wn4nw It was about time that other teams raised the bar in artisitic gymanstic. For 40 years it has been either Russia, Romania, USA or China. Time UK, Italy, Brazil, Japan and other nations to step up their game!
@@TheFlowMind exactly!
Thats true, italy bulgaria belarus and ekrain also,
Look at the aesthetics of Arina and Dina´s moves. Russian ballet in rhythmic gymnastics is incomparable to the rest of the world.
I think the reason it's so painful for Russians is because in their mind they are judging Dina against Linoy over years of different performances including olimpic qualifiers. Over those years Dina did better overall , but Linoy got better meanwhile. Dina got hurt. Her Olympic routine had to be adjusted, it got less difficult. She is amazing performer and I bet her coaches thought as longer as she doesn't make mistakes and do simpler version of her routine she will still be able to get gold. Except Linoy increased her difficulty, and probably had the best performance of her career. For a lot of people it was unfair win because they believe that Dina is a better gymnast, except that is not what was being judge. What was being judge was 4 performances that they did that day. This is not Oscars and they are not receiving medals for last 4 years of their achievements. I grew up in USSR and can understand attachment and loyalty people there feel towards their champions and I get pain they felt seeing her in tears. There is a great saying
" You never loose, you either win or you learn someone" . And I bet no matter what is being spoken publicly, lessons were learned.
Spot on
I'm from Israel and I can tell you that Linoy really raised her difficulty level a lot and therefore got higher scores than the others and despite the fall in the film still won because she opened a very big gap in the previous exercises. And we'm really tired of it every second we get it "that Linoy had a shocking performance and she should return the gold to the Russians" and it's not her fault if you want to get upset tell the judges not to her she just did her best.
@@user-cy2xi3te4p It´s about the ballet, not about the difficulty. Linoy had incredible difficulty of some skills, but she doesn´t look like a rhythmic gymnast at all. I´m not even Russian and still have this opinion. If you´ve never been a rhythmic gymnast, you´ll never get it.
Exctly...so sad that dinas hope to win relies on linoys mistake only...she cant beat asheam arina canr bear harnasko
@@barborajezkova8393 lookism is or shall not be judged. performance, achievement and artistry e.g is.
I agree that the results just show that RG is growing worldwide because other countries are becoming more competitive and is definitely a silver lining.
@Nathaniel Walker The code NEEDS to be open-ended, it was about time, they just need to limit the number of apparatus difficuty. An open-ended code made artictic gymnastics more fair, it separated the ordinary from the great. The code with a maximum score made impossible in WAG or MAG to prople who were not from USSR, Romania or the USA to get big scores, it was based on reputation too much. Same thing is happening with RG now.
Russia is where sports like ballet, gymnastics and figure skating were born. Their technique is unique. It's not something that other countries can copy and develop in a few years 😅 I'm sorry I'm not writing the history here.
@@barborajezkova8393 Yes, I agree that they have a unique style that no other country has or can follow. And other countries are developing their own styles too and that variety is something that is very much splendiferous for me.
Bulgaria 🇧🇬 earn that 🥇
Bulgaria dominated this sport for three decades and put it on the map. So it is no surprise that they won. Other teams also developed beautifully through the years and catched up. At the same time Russains are in decline, with constant changes and inconsitencies in their routines. No tragedy, just reality.
czcams.com/video/phAkJqbxfk0/video.html правда про художественную гимнастику
Linoy was amazing :)
Yes ! She is amazing and strong girl ! I love her performance !
Linoy's hug to the Russian Coach at the end was a beautiful show of sportsmanship. Her character is gold, as well as her gymnastics. She won both in her performance and, even more importantly, in the attitude of kindness she displayed. I do feel sorry for the Avarinas--both for being disappointed in their expectations and for not congratulating the other athletes. Also excited that Harnasko won bronze. She has come a long, long way in a short time.
They didn't congratulate the other athletes? OMG, that's so disrespectful!! :-O
Only dina. Arisha hugged linoy and congratulated
I feel as though this Olympics has highlighted that people need to become familiar with the COP before deciding to comment on results. You can win with drops this cycle, we've seen it before with the averina's but nobody cared back then.
I also think we need a little more official education, maybe if the FIG would explain the Code of points to the viewers in an official CZcams Video there would be less confusion. Many people thought, if you lose an apparatus, you lose the medal. But this is not true, you get a deduction and this is not new. In 2000 Yulia Barsukova won Olympic Gold with a drop of her rope.
@@insideAdirtyMind I agree, it's incredibly difficult to get an idea of how each new COP works, the FIG could most definitely provide more info
Also in 2016 Russian team won the gold Olympic medal with a drop of a ribbon.
In 2000 Barsukova won with a dropped rope.
It’s physically impossible to accurately judge this sport within a reasonable amount of time now. There’s simply no way even the most talented international judges can keep track in live time. Changes must be made. They tried to copy artistic gymnastics’ open-ended scoring, but seemed to have forgotten that there’s a cap on how many elements are allowed to count in artistic gymnastics. There must be similar caps in rhythmic gymnastics, which would force gymnasts to do harder elements rather than just more elements.
lol
Dina herself won gold at 2018 after dropping an apparatus.
Perfection does not count as much as it used to before the scoring rules were changed awarding higher points for higher difficulty, which means dropping a ribbon is not the end of a chance to win the all-around competition.
It's the equivalent that happened in artistic gymnastics. Back in the day, a fall from the beam or a non stuck dismount would automatically take you out of medal contention. Nowadays, even with those mistakes you can win the competition
That is not a bad thing, I believe. Otherwise they would not risk anything and not try more difficult exercises. It has to be balanced
Sorry, but qualifying the Bulgarian team's win as "a tragedy" in this video is too much! The author did not mention a single word about the quality of the Bulgarians' performance! It is a complete lack of Olympic spirit and sportsmanship not to acknowledge the talents and the performance of your opponent! Bulgarian gymnasts' choreographies were more complicated and dynamic. I have always been a fan of Russian RG performances, but this time they were more boring and simple. THIS TIME...And this time our girls did better. No place for grieving, just for acceptance and learning!
well, speed and dynamic of Russian gymnasts was better than Bulgarians. They didnt slow down music that Moiseev's ballet group slows down when they perform to it. And Moiseev's ballet groups is the best in terms of synchronized dance routines. And saying their routine (with changing colors of their leotards?) was boring is just very subjective assessment. If you noticed judges start to ignore artistic value and wholeness of performance in gymnastics and put all focus on difficulty. So boring or not doesnt matter anymore. And it's easier to say what you are saying after end result. Everyone adjusts narrative to result - it's how our brain works. Also notorious difficulty (body difficulty) is also judged by naked eye. You have points on difficulty if you throw ball higher than usual (higher than two heights of gymnast that performs). But how can you decide that? By naked eye. Do you think judges run with rulers while gymnasts perform? No. It's all very subjective. Whole system of assessment must be reformed. They claim artistic value is subjective and hard to assess so they ignore it now but their claimed difficulty is also very subjective and hard to assess. I have no doubt that Russian gymnasts were harshly judged and underscored. Nobody likes serial winners, everyone wants them to lose. Imagine fume by Americans if their gymnasts (like Biles whose scores in Tokyo was slightly criticized by english and american commentators - they thought she was a bit harshly judged - after her failed vault in team competition) will get underscored with nearly perfect routines.
@@robertwill23 If we follow your logic, we can dispute every win of the Russian teams over the years. Evaluation is harsh when Russians lose, but fair when they win? How convenient. :)
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@@robertwill23 Let me explain to you from a non-professional point of view what the russian routine was like to me. 5 balls, they were all too close to actually see or appreciate anything in the exercise, mediocre difficulty and originality compared to Italy or Bulgaria, they didn't even go along with the music it felt like somebody played the wrong track, one of the girls lost balance in a spin, IDK, it was just BORING to watch. I love Russia's technique because I appreciate how hard working their gymnasts are but their routines are slowly becoming more decadent and other countries are just getting better. To me, Russia did not even deserve the silver medal, Italy did.
As for the serial winners topic, as I said, the russian ensemble's routines have been slightly on the downfall over the past 5 years, their subscription to the gold medal is coming to an end and they can't stand it but it is what it is.
You bring back the honor to your country dear girl. So honest and clean conclusions unlike many other russians. You shown dignity and respect and you know how to carry on.
I'm a certified official. Not for RG but for athletics. The world's and Olympics can really show, unfortunately, the ugly in people from all countries. But it starts a lot sooner. A lot of people don't know how to take 2nd or 3rd place cuz its conditioned in them only 1st matters and that you're nothing if you're not number 1. Told to them by parents and/or coaches. I feel that's the real problem. Yeah this will blow over but the damage has already been done. Words can't be taken back.
We are all human. Respect one another. Take that 2nd and 3rd with grace and dignity. And if ya come back, come back stronger than ever.
Thank you for you video. I'm firm in the cliché things happen for a reason and they happen the way it's supposed to be. Be safe.
That's right! Thanks for the fair words!
I'm still laughing because people are acting like there's some big scandal because Russia lost when dead ass the Sochi doping scandal happened. You know, actually robbing because of cheating
Russia should be thankful they're even allowed to compete after their state wide doping.
Celebrate the winners. Linoy Ashram and the team of Bulgaria deserve it, they were the best. Glory to the winners, honor to the losers. Keep the Olympic Spirit. It's about it.
The Olympic spirit is dead. Only politics.
@@NamemaNSl It's always been politics lmaoo
Real winners know how to handle loss gracefully and how to respect their opponents. No medals are promised to anyone and the fact that you’ve won multiple times before doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll win for all years ahead! I’m not saying that the russian team was bad (not at all they were really good ) but they just weren’t the best and they knew it. Bulgaria has never won the olympic games in RG before and they’ve been one of the best along with Russia, so I don’t think there’s anything wrong with someone else making their dream come true. There are others who also deserve to win!!! Russians should stop hating just because they didn’t win, like guys you’ve won before it’s not like you’ll never get a chance again! Just accept that someone else was better than you for once and calm the f- down! Many times Bulgaria had lost to you but I’ve never seen them hating or disrespecting russians like that, so I don’t find this ok… also y’all are dramatising as if it’s not a SILVER medal, like at least be grateful that you won second place which is still a great achievement. Congrats for that❤️
Not only disrespect to the 1st place but also disewspect to the whole olympic comittee shamefull atittude.
@@johnalamariz2491 Exactly! They should learn how to lose before claiming they’re the best.
even a non-professional can see that Dina's program was more complex and cleaner. The falling object is just one of the signs of Lina's weaker performance in the final. Everyone saw it but there is something that only professionals and so-called judges can see. The problem is not that an athlete cannot accept defeat. This is just unfair refereeing and people who really understand gymnastics see that the marks were initially set too low. Dina looked better in everything and performed exactly the same as in the qualification where she got the first place. It is difficult to accept not defeat, but incorrect assessment of a perfectly executed performance. Obviously, Linoy was overrated because she is suitable for the role of one who can compete with Russian gymnasts.it's funny to see such comments from people who still don't understand that sport has long been a part of politics. this is not the first time that Russian athletes have been judged unfairly, and such a reaction of people to low marks for the excellent performance of a Russian gymnast is quite obvious
@@Kris-gp5yo ridiculous, Russians are judged unfairly ? - , for 25 years when they got gold medals they were also judged unfairly ? Linor’s program was just more complicated and more dynamic .
@@Kris-gp5yo Dina was clean, but super boring. Not doing any complex stuff.
The fact that you’re(Russians), and Dina herself crying over the dropped ribbon, didn’t seem to get
You that mad when Dina dropped her ribbon back at 2018 when she won gold.
It’s very disrespectful from Russia to react this way to someone else’s achievements just because they cant lose.
This situation looks a bit like the Italy-England football game.
When the English got the second place they just behaved like children and with this imperialistic mindset that everybody has to give them something with 0 respect to their opponents.
@@staslurik Dropping the apparatus isn't a disqualification. It's a minor penalty.
@@espinillasypuntosnegros1715 yeah if thats an iddividual riibbon dina clearly won but thats AA her score is not enough to beat ashram. So sad a for a fromer champions only hope is mistake from her opponent...sad
The english People behaved way better tbh😂 A few english people were disgusting but most of them weren’t! The roc Fans were all disrespectful! Not everyone but a lot of people!!!!
The Russians were great and before this dust up I didn’t know anything about this sport. After reading a detailed analysis of the judging system the Israeli clearly won. Loved the performances of both the gold Israeli and silver Russian. Both champions!
You should compare qualifications to finals…… scoring was way off in the finals
They are great no doubt. They should train also how to accept loss. Im glad they didnt attack harnasko for taking 3rd while arina only 4th.
@@johnalamariz2491 No because Alina didn’t have a clean routine.
@@leval1000 but this is not an indibidual final ita AA sum of 4 aparatus,
@@johnalamariz2491 nobody attacked harnasko because everyone agree she deserves it. Nothing to complaint. People complaint about Linoy for a reason, not because there is a hate for specific country
being outperformed on the day is not something having gone "wrong".
Russia is already overdoing it, not winning a car to beat Bulgaria deserves a medal. Russia are not sadians, so that all the judges know, so that they can decide and give more points for Bulgaria and for Russia, and they were difficult combinations, but for Bulgaria more. Russia has always been used to winning, but now they are angry in second place. When Bulgaria is in second place, they are happy to have achieved a medal. The wrestler who won the fifth place is proud of her and the Russians who won the second and third are angry, if she had won the second or third she would be most proud of herself, so I ask Russia to stop !!! And do you see how much Bulgaria work for that and how brilliant they are?
I love Russia but honestly Rita and Yana had something mesmerizing about them. The twins are extremely talented and perfectionist, but kind of boring. Dina’s energy seemed low and especially the ball routine felt like it was very slow. They all did amazing from the little I saw but I wasn’t impressed by either one like I was with Rio. Would love to see Belarus routines because I’ve always thought they were scored way too low.
@@staslurik actually this is the first time I saw scores that seemed fair. Like I said I’m a huge Rita and Yana fan, but last year they were scoring a whole point higher than everyone making it impossible to even get a silver for other countries. Both scored around 76 the others scored 69-73ish. And Yanas drop was far worse than Linoys. Also Dina didn’t finish with music and Arina sadly had many errors on ribbon. Russia knew they would have bigger competition this year because other countries have been training hard to even get a chance to win and yet they were cocky and played it way too safe to dominate like they usually do. Russia had their worst scores this year because they brought the worst routines this year for some reason. Dina though could have very easily won if her ball routine had more difficulty. She spent the last half the time performing what looked like the same throw/balance/then bounce and throw again trick and wasted time for difficulty bonus points.
Linoy is also kind of boring, in my opinion. She is as expressionless as the Averinas, but the rule book is clear and they have more difficult than the others.
Agree that Rita and Yana had something special. I'm not a fan of kanaeva but she dominated the sport easy. The Averinas seem average in terms of charisma.
The Averina twins are not necessarily boring imo. I dont knw but i enjoy watching them more than linoy. I think they are very graceful in their performances and technically excellent. Linoy has amazing routines but she's not interesting to me, but then again i knw nothing much about rg so i cant say who is better than who.
Evgenia Kaneva was magical And she was beautiful inside and out. She was kind to her opponents she had a beautiful smile and she was an amazing rhythmic gymnast. Yana is stuck up.
Bulgaria was better and Russia needs to get used to it
Dear Russian team fans, my personal opinion is that you should really learn to lose with dignity!!! The fact that you are used to winning the gold medals does not mean that there aren’t other nations out there which can outperform you!!! Competition should have positive effect on you!!! Just enjoy the beauty and inspiration rhythmic gymnastics brings and appreciate the efforts and achievements of the others!!!
Well said....
Well they are obvi upset beacause Linoy dropped the ribon. They kinda have a point and it doesn't necessarily make them a sore loser lol
@@quizbangandedits1134 yeah, but at the 2018 World Championships, the shoe was on the other foot. Dina dropped her ribbon and won gold while Linoy took silver. Linoy didn't complain then.
Oooh I’ve been waiting for this one
Sorry but i Think the russian Mafia payed the last years for the first Podium.i live russians,but in some cases they messenger up their routines,made mistakes and sometimes the routines are unclear and russia won.linoy deserve it to be olympic Champion.
It turns out that this time Israeli mafia paid more for getting the Olympic gold after such a bad mistake that ruined the grace and impression of the whole performance)))
Dina was great as always.i never said dina is a bad gymnast.she is a hero.but all the circus about one Place is not very characterfull.in some cases other were at the same Level,bit aleways russia won.but other gymnast never made such a issue about herself.linoy always support always the winners,as it fair or not.thats real champions
@@user-tb7uz8gs9o Indonesian for the side to Russia at this 😁🤭
Well done to Linoy, this is not the first time that she has proven her talent. She deserved her gold as her routines are interesting. Well done to Bulgaria ,they have consistently been performing with extremely high difficulty scores so the gold medal in the group's is theirs, too.
Dina, you could have shown better sportsmanship, disgraceful sore loser.
Dinas routine was a joke in comparison with Linoys🤣 Thus - less points even though she didn’t drop apparatus!
@@staslurik so rude! if you think linoy "doesn't show talent", why don't you tell us how many olympic medals you have?
This is not the 1st time she defeat dina, arina and soldatova...czcams.com/video/jJz3U96v6ZE/video.html
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I think the point is not that Linoy beat Dina, we all know that Linoy is not the first time to win a gold medal. Dina never complained when she lost in previous games. The problem this time in Tokyo is that Dina's score is underestimated. I argee Linoy did a good job in Tokyo, but Dina deserved a higher score without any mistakes in the four apparatus. It's not just DINA, but also other girls.
@@staslurik she’s shown her talent for long time! She is not a judge why do you insult her! So silly!
From 2011, I really admire Bulgarian gymnast group but I love russian gymnast and ashram has been predicted to excel in Tokyo.. that's the game.. win or lose, they should show the true essence why they are Olympian..
Russia created a sport with super subjective rules, and dominated it. 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Russians seem they don’t know how to loose in gymnastics🤣 It seem Bulgaria will help them to get used to!
As a casual rhythmic gymnastics watcher, I noticed while watching the Olympics that the Russians seemed off. I was surprised considering how hyped Russians Rhythmic gymnasts are. I thought the Bulgarians were cleaner and overal better.
Also, Americans sleep on rhythmic gymnastics. It is so cut throat competitive and so serious. The Olympics got me into watching the sport.
Can I ask is silver a bad thing like you can't always win Im sorry if I am saying something wrong but why you people just can't accept the fact that Bulgaria win like can't you just appreciate their hard work.
And yeah a don't understand nothing about the sport but I just want to say that Russia can't win all the time
Its their mind set that they are the best in whole milky way. No one can defeat them:( dilusion is over. Ilove arina though:)
The Russian gymnasts and ice skaters are raised with the mentality that second place are losers, that if they don't win they're worthless. If they win a silver, most Russian gymnasts (who are mostly in the age of 16-20, so quite young) are inconsolable, not because they blame the winner, but in their eyes they've failed their country or lost everything they had worked for all their lives. The Russian coaches and heads of the federation are known to be ruthless. The girls fear for their career after coming in second. The bronze medalists feel much happier than the silver medalists.
Sad that Russia lost this, it just felt like a tradition ending. Russia always gets gold and silver in RG Olympics. Still, congratulations to the winners, everyone worked hard.
@LenaKrupina: Thank you for this video and the translation of what Lydia explained. I do not completely agree about the outcome of the individual RG, but I love that you provided some more details. Thank you for all your amazing videos and for taking the time to translate them to English.❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻
I don't really care who win, I just want the old beautiful RG back. All I see now is throws, rethrows and risk after risk. There is no room for originality and the music is something just in teh background.
I think in thr new CoP they limit the amount of "difficulties" a gymnast can perform and artistry will be scored seperatly (like 2012... the best CoP)
@@ygb6586 Yeah, I heard that too. From what I gathered it seems to go back into the direction of how it was before.
And the so-called graceful creatures are not so graceful anymore. Rather athletic, strong, tall, emasculated to me. Not very feminine at all. Either chlldish or emasculated, far from feminine. And this is absurd. For this we have the artistic gymnastics, don't really know why it is called that anyway. This is for showing one's athleticism. But why the rhythmic gymnastics started to look that way? Not very pleasurable to the senses. 😏
“Risks” where gymnasts throw the apparatus and wait and eternity underneath it before catching it. Lmao Hardly risky. Body elements are more risky than the “risk” elements.
czcams.com/video/FutN_3R48mU/video.html well it makes sense coaches build routines that score the highest they want to win medals. the expressiveness through athleticism and music aren't completely gone..you'll enjoy this peerformence I think.
Get Over It 🙄Cry babies !
Nothing went wrong. Bulgaria was amazing, outstanding! Natural outcome from their 5 years evolution. Bulgarians are fire, choreography and artistry! Linoy won with higher difficulty. The drama was that Russians were so accustomed to win that they couldn't believe someone else is better. In addition, in Russia there has been a bit of brain wash that they are the best and no one else is, they are the most beautiful, artistic...because they have Bolshoi and great traditions. Yes, there are traditions, but the other teams are also amazing and Russians were not seeing that and not recognizing it at all for years! So, now, surprise! And finally, it is not healthy for a sport when one single nation always wins. This is the only sport where this was the case, so now we are back to normal. Congratulations to all winners! Lena, you cannot present this video as a tragedy! I am sorry. Bulgaria's victory was the most beautiful thing in this Olympics! This is a glory moment! All RG schools supported them and wanted them to win. And they did in such decisive way!
Thank you for the effort to give a deeper look into the judging. I am very sorry about how the Rhythmic Gymnastics world went crazy and emotional, mostly without even trying to look into any rules or even into the official results. Accusing judges, Gymnasts and whole countries for many things that did not even had something to do with sports anymore. I have seen many commentators, who not even knew how the Gymnasts name was, mixed up the sisters performances and so on. I can´t explain how sad I feel about all this hate, and I wonder if I will ever look at the sport with the same love again.
Russia RG is all drama they are having meltdowns bc they’ve always won gold
Russian hegemony is over, that's why they're so vicious now. BTW, Bulgaria has been the best in this sport for decades.
Says who, you? lol sure.
what i find sad is that getting a silver medal at the olympics is such an achievement... i understand that the expectations for russia were higher, but these gymnasts are silver olympic medalists, so few people can say that... i hope they can realise how great of an achievement it is
nothing went wrong, it's just that Olympics finally decided to give a hard cold slap to those russian coaches to teach them a lesson on humility. it seems that this year's Olympic is the right time to do it as we can see strong opponents to russians who can overthrow them. linoy ashram came to Tokyo with her A game in terms of difficulty level in her program and sadly Dina came to Tokyo with huge amount of pressure to win and a damaged body( back injuries and whatnot) in group event the Bulgarian team performed brilliantly while russian team surprisingly fell short. sure russian is legendary in their rg, but their opponents have become better and better over the years. russians could not afford to hv mistakes if they wnt to continue their legacy but in Tokyo we see many small blunders that when accumulate in the marks cost the victory to slip from their hand. i imagine irina viner won't be able to sleep after this olympics 🤣
Thank you for this comment! I just read the comments and it is so disrespectful to Bulgaria.Nobody talks how brilliant the winner was BUT how Silver medalist were robbed from the gold. Appreciate the opponents work Russians and show how you can loose with dignity. Bulgaria has lost with dignity for many many years and these discussions for fraud, misjudgment etc is ruining the what to be called "the happiest moment" in Bulgarian Rhythm Gymnastic. They deserved the Gold. Period!
You just adjusting narrative to end result. It's easier to make conclusions after end result that was decided in strange manner to say the least. Back injuries et cet is irrelevant because Dina still came to Olympics as number one in RG and won previous championships (in 2021 as well). It's easier to claim competition got better when you have end results. But we must look into assessment itself in order to understand what's going on.
Russian gymnasts in team competition were faster and on point in their synchornized movements (which is already high difficulty) - they didnt even slow down music which famous Moiseev's ballet group slows down when perform and Moiseev's ballet group is the best in the world in terms of synchronized dance routines. In that regard they edged Bulgarians. But it's easy to say they fell short after hearing end scores.
Dina and Arina, both, were harshly underscored for nearly perfect routines. Pressure or not, they are used to performing under pressure and Dina performed without any major mistakes. It was harder for Arina who was feeling that judges giving her much lower points for her nearly perfect routines so she became more anxious and screwed up ribbon routine. Athletes can feel when they do well or at their best but scores they are given dont reflect that. And it can throw them off psychologically. I doubt Arina was so cocky and delusional to think she would be given easy pass. She comes from most competitive environment which is Russian domestic championships. They have next Arina and Dina in every city.
Supposed higher difficulty of Linoy is weak argument because that difficulty is assessed by naked eye as well. How can judges decide if Linoy threw ball higher than Dina (throwing ball higher than two heights of a gymnast is considered higher difficulty)? They dont run with rulers while gymnasts perform. How can they decide difficult body angle? By naked eye as well. So there is a case for Russian gymnasts been harshly judged in order to even competition sooner than it might've been. Nobody likes serial winners, all want them to lose. And Federation of RG know it's bad for their sport if Russians keep dominate 30 years in a row. It isnt a conspiracy. It's just many might have such feeling of getting tired of Russians and judged Russians more harshly and with more zest which can lead to foggy judgement.
now i just remember what happened in 2014 winter Olympics in russia, when Yuna Kim was robbed of her gold medal in figure skating event. but Yuna took it in a classy way since she's already a legend in that sport. such a scandal at that time, judges gave it to the Russian girl who was obviously no match to Yuna. i guess russia now is tasting their own medicine, in rg nonetheless.
@@series9623 Nonsense. Yuna Kim was not practicing as much leading into the Olympics. She was not as good as she was the first time around.
Well deserved for Bulgaria 🇧🇬
Italia should be silver
Russia should be 5th!
#StopRussianMafia on RG !
Finally this day arrived 🙌
Linoy ends this nonsense russian dynasty lol. This is not the 1st time your going to cry bulgarial, italy and belarus has also best gymnast. Not only russia.
Linoy deserved it!! She earned it!! Learn how to lose. Xoxo
Yeah, learn how to lose...the ribbon and you will be an Olympic champion.
@@user-tb7uz8gs9o Her drop with two steps to retrieve was worth 0.7 points, for which she was penalized by 0.7-0.8 points in her Technical Execution (ET of -1.3 instead of usual 0.55-0.65), her diffulty was only worth a meager 0.2 points (AD of 9.6 instead of 9.8) and I assume she was deduced by another 0.2 points in her artistic score (EA of -0.4 instead of usual -0.2).
The lower scores of Dina are mainly due to lower BD values and a cumulation of reappearing problems like her releasing the balances before the min. 1 sec. or rotating after catching the apparatus instead of rotating while catching.
Linoy on the other showed a lovely pirouette even on a notably high relevé and significantly less balances which spared her from the 1-second-rule and its penalty.
Also, Dina lost the ribbon herself in Sofia and received gold, so think twice before you belittle others! ;-)
@@staslurik Why 1500?
@@opal746 Thank you for advice, actually I thought thrice and also learned the analysis of high level experts in this field, they have a lot of questions to judging and points, also, dear professional, you forgot to mention that in Sofia 2018 Linoy, who ranked the 2nd there, lost her items twice, a ball and a club, so, please, think thrice next time)))
@@user-tb7uz8gs9o To my knowledge, Linoy did not drop anything in the AA final in Sofia.
Best regards.
Russia did great and Dina Averina is a personal favorite of mine too (and I'm not Russian myself). I was rooting for her. But y'all still got silver, which is great too. And it is kinda exciting to see Russia have some good competition now that was able to dethrone their golden reign after so many years of consecutive wins. I think this is all very exciting to watch and I hope the Russian athletes aren't too hard on themselves.
All the drama that went on in the fan community, especially around the individuals results, was pretty laughable.
it's easy to adjust narrative to result. easy to say what you are saying after end result that was quite strange to say the least. situation with Averin sisters showcases that reform in RG assessment is needed. Arina and Dina were definitely underscored for their nearly perfect routines in the final. The supposed difficulty claim is quite weak argument because difficulty is also hard to assess no matter how judges try to convince us otherwise. They assess difficulty by naked eye, hello. How can they decide if Linoy throw ball higher than others? if it is higher than two heights of a gymnast, says in protocol. But how they judge that? By naked eye. Nobody runs with rulers to assess body angles either. So there is definite case for harsh judgement of russian gymnasts in order to even competition. Because 30 years of one nation winning gold is bad for RG, thinks Federation. But lowering standards and making foggy judgement is not the way to bring more competition.
90% of them they thought its an idividual competion for ribbon only lol. Then dina won ofcrse....
In the world championship of 2018 Dina Averina DROPPED her ribbon and still won the championship over Linoy . Linoy won 2021 Tokyo Olympics because the competition is not based on the ribbon only. Can Russia wipe it's tears and get over the fact that you can't win all the time? It's starting to get embarrassing
Big live to Israel, Linoy thank you .
Lena, I appreciate your objective opinion on both the individual competition and the group routine. I am a fan of Dina Averina but I think Ashram did great was the energy and the enthusiasm with which she performed. I think Dina made a comment that she was expecting lower scores from the judges. I remember when in 1984 in Viena at the European championship Anelia Ralenkova from Bulgaria had her score lowered for the ribbon performance because the arbitrator judge (who was Russian) did not like her performance and then the score of Galina Beloglazova was increased twice, because the same judge-arbitrator really liked her performance. The point was to make Beloglazova's score high enough to catch up with Ralenkova so that there were 2 European champions. Judges should be fair-most of them are former gymnast and they know very well how hard all the girls work, how many sacrifices they make. I think they all deserve fair scores, no matter what county they are from. Scores should be consistent. Dropping of an apparatus should cost the same number of points consistently so the rules have to be clear.
Averinas drop on ribbon at sofia still got gold is all over the net...shea compalining on a mistake she did before but she enjoy the gold still.
You need very learn to lose ! Dina was not good it s not evgnia kanaeva ! Linoy was energyc with smile all the time and sorry but it s important too.the choice about the music was perfect ...the love of her country feel on her face .The G.R.S is not about perfection it s all ! Linoy was like a bird that s why .
@@staslurik the russian coutry was banned on the g.o.....lol
This is a good video with good sportive spirit. I believe Judging in sport can never be totally objective but can be as fair as possible according to the instructions.
It will be better to talk about each gymnast qualities, for example - Dina’s grace and Linoy’s Energy.
There can be discussion about the combination\choreography that will lead this sport with its artistic side into better achievements.
How easily Russian forget or pretend not to know about the dirty tricks that Viner has been pulling for years among judges, and even before that the horrible Yuri Titov as head of FIG. They are in no position to talk about being robbed. Especially the group did not deserve silver at all. It should have been Italy silver and China bronze.
Then keep on accusing linoy she and her country payed for her medal, isarel.is not that big and desperate country to do that. Hello? I heard that a million times not only in rg but on other sports also. Stop pls. Be fair.
I think anyone who does this type of athletics is amazing! However, sometime it's not just not you night to win the gold medal! Sometimes another team or individual has a better performance! I do wish that any athlete, of any sport, would stop acting like it's the end of world or throwing tantrums, would stop! It's unprofessional, it's rude and unnecessary! Be happy! Your at the Olympics, you are the elite class of athlete, if you act like a spoiled angry child (and I don't care what country your from) you should be disqualified and sent home with no medal, until you learn how to play nice, at least publicly, with others no matter how you score or weather you get a medal or not! As good as the Russians are, other teams are training up to decades long examples of Russian talent and it's showing by the incredible performances these other teams and individuals give us. It's good healthy competition. I think Linoy had the better overall performance, she had better music, more difficulty and was more enjoyable to watch!
Me as an italian thinking for 5 Yeara: if italy group can win please be Bulgaria 😂🇧🇬🇮🇹
The real injustice is Sotnikova filching the gold from Yuna Kim
Well said. I wonder why russians dont make videos about Sochi being a complete cheating joke. Or the crowds screeming Russia diring Yuzuru Hanyu’s performence.
Some said audience that time even try to destruct yuna:(
I can’t see any point to compare. They both are incredibly good. I am Bulgarian and very respectful
It is surprising that so many countries submitted an inquiry after the performance of their gymnast: Russia and Bulgaria, Belarus, and Italy. And Linoy herself told she is suprised to win the gold medal. The difference of levels is so obvious when you watch Linoy clubs routine and then Alina Harnasko's!
I believe there are indeed many subjective factors existing in these kinds of getting scored items, and there are indeed lots of prejudices and injustices. But I am very happy to see this phenomenon of breaking up the monopoly happens. I think this situation should also be carried out in another competitions such as synchronized swimming and diving.
Very glad we won't have to see 2 clubs + 3 hoops for the groups in the next quad
I think ask the routines were beautiful but I will say the Russians seem to not have the emotions that the winner did..almost going thru the motion and i think that makes a difference but the sportsmanship after by Russia i will say was unfortunate because it showed them in a light that no one looks good in ✌️
Linoys humility thats already gold, i fel sad for her she try to approach dina but she keep on ignoring linoy...childish
It's a silver! An Olympic S I L V E R !
Can someone tell me where I can read the new CoP? Does it include more elements?
Russia shouldn't even been there. who did Russia paid?
Racist.
L'ÉQUIPE:
"La Bulgarie sacrée pour la première fois en gymnastique rythmique aux JO de Tokyo"
"C'est le sacre d'une nation forte, qui a inventé, réinventé ce sport, sans jamais renier ce qu'elle lui a apporté. La Bulgarie a enfin été sacrée championne olympique de gymnastique rythmique, ce dimanche à Tokyo. Dans la catégorie des ensembles, au programme depuis 1996. Cette année-là, comme une offrande à celui qui permit son introduction aux Jeux, Juan-Antonio Samaranch, alors président du CIO et convaincu par le titre mondial de ses compatriotes en 1991, ce sont justement les Espagnoles qui avaient inauguré le palmarès. Depuis, quoi qu'il se passe, la Russie avait décroché tous les ors.
MAIS LA BULGARIE, C'EST LE BERCEAU DE CETTE DISCIPLINE, qui a brillé, a essaimé ses techniciennes partout dans le monde pour y créer une saine rivalité. Un pays qui a accepté trop longtemps des rôles subalternes pour aider à développer la discipline.
Un sens donné à la chorégraphie
Quand l'Espagne est devenue championne du monde ou olympique, elle l'a dû à des pionnières bulgares, de la terrible Ivanka Tchakarova, débarquée dans les années 1970, à Emilia Boneva, une humaniste tellement regrettée aujourd'hui, la première à avoir su composer avec sa richesse et le caractère des gymnastes qu'elle entraînait. Cette fois, à Tokyo, ce ne sont donc pas les autres, mais bien les Bulgares qui ont décroché le titre suprême. Après dix titres mondiaux au concours général (le seul validé sur la scène olympique), qui s'échelonnent depuis 1969 (1969-71-81-83-85-87-89-95-96-2014).
Qu'il s'agisse de l'exercice aux 5 ballons sur un folklore des Balkans signé Stoyan Yankulov, ou celui aux cerceaux/massues sur le classique Spartacus d'Aram Khatchatourian, les héritières de l'incomparable Nechka Robeva ont déployé des trésors d'ingéniosités pour contourner les exigences actuelles qui auraient tendance à dénaturer la discipline, tout en y répondant avec de magnifiques prises de risque. Elles réussissent là où la Russie s'est fourvoyée, à donner encore une âme et un sens à la chorégraphie, à une discipline qui se veut par essence artistique mais n'est souvent désormais qu'une triste avalanche de lancers d'engins. Elles obtiennent, surtout, la récompense que d'autres avaient perdue avant même de fouler le praticable olympique.
À force de jouer avec le feu qui l'anime, avec sa puissance politique et les millions de son mari, l'oligarque Alicher Ousmanov, Irina Viner a beaucoup perdu au Japon. La prêtresse de la gymnastique rythmique russe, qui avait vampirisé son sport depuis plus de vingt ans, initié les orientations techniques, cadenassé les jurys, s'est trompée. Son pays étant invaincu aux Jeux Olympiques depuis 2000, elle a voulu dessiner des scénarios inédits pour sa propre gloire, mais elle a surtout fini par oublier l'essentiel.
Un fonctionnement à revoir pour la Russie
Pour les individuelles, elle avait rêvé valoriser une fratrie, des jumelles plus précisément, quitte à enfoncer dans la dépression, l'anorexie, voire le suicide, ses propres gymnastes qui osèrent s'y frotter (on songe évidemment à Alexandra Soldatova) ; pour l'ensemble, et puisque l'on reproche trop souvent à la gymnastique de jeter après une seule olympiade les enfants que l'on a chéris, elle a construit une histoire autour d'Anastasia Blizniouk, âgée de 27 ans, qui aurait dû mener la Russie à son sixième titre olympique, en même temps qu'elle aurait pu décrocher à titre individuel son troisième consécutif, ce qu'aucune autre jeune femme n'a jusque-là réussi.
Hélas, c'était sans compter les performances adverses. Celles de l'Israélienne Linoy Ashram en individuel, dont certains n'ont retenu que la petite chute au ruban pour crier au scandale face à Dina Averina qui a escamoté son exercice au cerceau, perdu toute sa précision ailleurs, avant d'achever son tango au ruban sans musique. Sa médaille d'argent n'est que légitime, tout comme la 4e place de sa soeur Arina, qui a accumulé les bêtises et cette grossière erreur avec changement d'engin au ruban. Il n'y a pas non plus d'injustice avec la 2e place de l'ensemble, mais le résultat d'un mépris aveugle d'une femme et d'une nation qui vont devoir remettre en question leur fonctionnement."
Céline Nony
08 août 2021
With love from Bulgaria ! Thank you !!!! ¡Con amor desde Bulgaria! Gracias !!!!
il faut accepter la défaite tout simplement les bulgares étaient trés fortes et ont montrés leurs excellents talents de gymnastes cette année--congratulations to the bulgarian girls in that game
the winner is more than obvious and the comments are pointless! but for me Italy deserved the silver, Russia the bronze
"WHAT WENT WRONG for RUSSIA at THE 2021 OLYMPICS in rhythmic gymnastics"? they lost
Im glad they are not attacking harnasko for being ing third while arina only 4th...lol. linoys hard work pays off she was robbed many times but your not complaining. Did linoy kick your butt so hard? Move on. The olympic is over. The whole world saw sportmanship really gone nowadays. Congrats anyway.
Please stop these passive aggressive comments. The fact that other users wrote sth not nice does not give u the right to write these passive aggressive comments.
Congrats to all gymnasts who participated to the final! You are all amazing!
STOP THE HATE
@@martaenne6490 im just sad that i saw hatefull comments about linoy from russian fans. I just want to defend her...be fair pls.
@@martaenne6490 i saw hatefull comments bout linoy but you ddnt write anything in there. U bias! Wont believe you
@@johnalamariz2491 the hate people are directing against Linoy is shameful, but two wrongs do not make one right.. I understand that you feel upset but hate is not the solution. the "an eye for an eye" rule is better left to the middle age. I am sorry the hateful comments you read upset you. I think people who write insults are just ignorant and frustrated, most of them are probably very unsuccessful in their lives and use the internet to put down other people. No need to feel upset by the opinions of such people, they worth nothing! I hope my comment makes you feel better :) have a nice day!
@@johnalamariz2491 I did and you also commented a post where I condemned it... let me send you my comment
What did Arina have with her ribbon in the final? I didn’t understand why she switched 🧐
There was strong air conditioning and a knot was created. The air conditioning was turned off right after Arian’s performance and all other athletes performed without it.
@@martaenne6490 I was so sad for this… it wasn’t Arina’s fault at all and the others could perform without issues 😭
@@martaenne6490 really????? Omg I feel even more bad for her than ever... deserved a medal
@@martaenne6490 Nah, don’t blame it on the air conditioning. Arina has a long-standing history of getting knots in her ribbon.
I know Arina made mistakes with the Ribbon in the past. I only said that when she performed (she was first) there was air conditioning. Air conditioning creates a lot
Of Issues with the ribbon (I was a gymnast and the a judge so I paid the price many times). Thank God after Arina performance they turned off the air conditioning and the other gymnasts performed without it. I watch all RG competitions so I know about past events.
Би било добре , ако се покажат всички изпълнени трудности в различните съчетания и на двете гимнастички- съответно с точките, които носят, така всеки би разбрал от къде какви точки получават и би сравнител резултатите с официалните.
Linoy had deductions of - 1.3 and
- o. 4,(according to the evaluating that was shown) what did the lady mean when she said Linoy got - o.2 and - 0.7??
Her drop with two steps to retrieve was worth 0.7 points, for which she was penalized by 0.7-0.8 points in her Technical Execution (ET of -1.3 instead of usual 0.55-0.65), her diffulty was only worth a meager 0.2 points (AD of 9.6 instead of 9.8) and I assume she was deduced by another 0.2 points in her artistic score (EA of -0.4 instead of usual -0.2).
The lower scores of Dina are mainly due to lower BD values and a cumulation of reappearing problems like her releasing the balances before the min. 1 sec. or rotating after catching the apparatus instead of rotating while catching.
Linoy on the other showed a lovely pirouette even on a notably high relevé and significantly less balances which spared her from the 1-second-rule and its penalty.
@@opal746 I wonder if Dina also got a deduction for her routine ending after the music stopped
@@travisscavoni369 I'm pretty sure she did. Visible in the score reports.
Can't find any official record of full exercise either Linoi or Averina. Why?
Several broadcasting stations bought the sole rights to the video records and any video uploaded is being deleted because of copyrights issues.
@@opal746 betime)
@@priiatno Please stay respectful. Now that you are belittling my comment, I have realised that you are one of the conspiracy theorists.
Anyways. As always, the official results are available on the Olympic website and the FIG website. You're welcome.
Collab with ClematisRG!!!😄😃
Karma! Well karma. So many gymnasts have been harmed over the years because of Dina. Especially the combinations with a ribbon. In Pezaro cup 2019 she played with a knot on the ribbon and was given the gold. Then Katrin Taseva and Alina Harnasko played without a mistake, but stayed behind.
In 2018 she became a world champion with the release of ribbon. Her sister Arina in 2019 at the World Championship came second with so many mistakes, and Linoy was left with bronze, playing without a mistake. Now roar. You are funny!
Agree
the Americans aren't crying when they lost some gold medals to Australia in swimming, that's why they are better than russia in every single way
Как это американцы не плакали о потере золотых наград? А как же проигрыш американца в плавании Рылову? Плакали они и жаловались, что Рылов выиграл золото нечестно, потому что, якобы, все русские спортсмены употребляют допинг.
@@cterx2841 nobody speaks Russian here
@@chunglee7353 а вы попробуйте перевести мой текст на русский язык.
@@cterx2841 nobody speaks your exotic language
What? They shamed the Italian runner, Marcell Jacobs, on the Washington Post, implying that he might have been doping!
Honestly, Russia wasn't great. Other countries did better than they did.
Bulgarian team was much better then the Russian .
Лена, молодчина, что снимаешь и на английском теперь, очень хорошо говоришь👍
спасибо, но говорю не я))
I think Astonishing Ashram just clapped the Averina sisters and assassinated them of their gold medals and the Russian reign has come to a close. 🥇 to Astonishing Ashram.
And astonishingly dropped her ribbon.
Rigged olympics gave gold to someone, who screwed up terribly. All politics.
LOL but silver is still good and the Russians are just making a fuss over gold but Dina has tons of them. This is achieving no significant result plus I found that the appeal got declined. 🇷🇴 Long live Romania
shes not astonishing shes pro israel
@@TheDustypoptart u cant blame politics when israel is politics controversial itself. Bad argument.
Well done for Ashram💛
@@michaltidona9156 thanks for backing me up against these crazy anti-isrealian Russian fans and Pro-Averinas 🇮🇱🇷🇴
Linoy Ashram was just a short-lived champion. The first place was given to her but she also received many doubts and negative comments. Then what? Hidden or semi-retired....Is she not capable?
Same as short-term stock operation🤔
Be thankful for the silver, 'cause really, you should not have any, what's with all the doping bruhaha your country had in the past... just be thankful, please?
Because she's better.
Two words of what went wrong: the judges
I was just so happy for Israel
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What went wrong, is the politics. Russia should have had gold, not the Israeli girl, who DROPPED her ribbon.
Yo sigo este deporte desde hace varios años. Y he aprendido bastante sobre los grados de dificultad y los criterios de ejecución de las rutinas. Ambas rutinas, tanto la que hizo Dina como la de Linoy tienen alto grado de dificultad. Lo que se discute es por una diferencia de milésimas. A mi juicio Dina ganó. Su ejecución fue impecable. Al nivel de ambas la pérdida del aparato de Linoy debió colocarla en segundo lugar. Harnasko tuvo su lugar merecido.
@seu cú Revisando la puntuación de acuerdo al CODIGO DE PUNTUACIONES DE LA FERDERACIÓN INTERNACIONAL DE GIMNASIA RITMICA, 2017-2020, el resultado de la evaluación final de la competencia fue claramente un ROBO. Por lo siguiente:
• Pérdida y recuperación después de 1-2 pasos: 0.70 • El extremo de la cinta queda en el suelo involuntariamente durante la ejecución de dibujos, lanzamientos, “escapadas”, etc. 0.3 • Interrupción aislada: 0.30 (como mínimo) • Los movimientos de las gimnastas no respetan los cambios dinámicos en la música O los movimientos de las gimnastas no crean cambios dinámicos cuando la música carece de cambios dinámicos: 0.30 • Conexiones, Transiciones lógicas y fluidas de un movimiento al siguiente Interrupción aislada: 0.30 Total=1.90 , Dificultad 10.00- 1.90 de penalización Total 8.1 Este cálculo solo con la caída y subsiguiente tapón en la rutina, asumiendo que toda la presentación después de la caída la hizo perfecta como un robot. Sin embargo se ve en el video fallos leves en la dificultad y ejecución, este cálculo esta correcto con un analista que dijo que esa caída era como 2.0 a 2.5 puntos de reducción en la ejecución. ¿Ahora porque le ponen de Ejecución 8.30? Comparación con otras gimnastas: A Arina Averina que se le cayó la cinta afuera del practicable, Ejecución 7.55. A Anastasia Salos no se le cayó nada Ejecución 7.9. Boryana Kaleyn no se le cayó nada Ejecución 8.45. A Dina no se le cayó nada Ejecución 9.2 ¿Esto que tiene que ver?, bueno Linoy en cuanto a ejecución en su primera presentación tuvo una ejecución, de 9.05, en su segunda 9.2 y en su tercera 9.25. Siendo generosos digamos que su ejecución fija es de 9.2, ahora si le restamos siendo generosos con las penalizaciones y cogiendo las más bajas 0.7 de la caída, 0.3 de la interrupción aislada y 0.3 de la descoordinación musical, sin contar los otros fallos, vemos que la ejecución seria 7.9 como mínimo. Así que, haciendo los cálculos de un 10 perfecto o de su rendimiento de 9.2 de ejecución, los números no salen, y contando las penalidades más bajas, podemos dar como conclusión que ese 8.30 de ejecución fue totalmente regalado y no se ajusta a ningún cálculo serio. Ahora la dificultad que le dan a Dina es de 14.800. Dificultad que le dan a Linoy es de 15.000, ¿porque? Si conforme al reglamento una interrupción aislada en la pérdida del aparato demanda la descalificación del movimiento, por lo cual la maniobra que hizo debería ser penalizada con la descalificación de movimiento y reducción de la dificultad, sin contar el hecho que perdió un movimiento subsiguiente y el ritmo de la canción. Ahora algo para resaltar, los resultados de las puntuaciones son dadas en un lapso de 2 minutos calculados a todas las gimnastas, (claro si no hay reclamos que desvirtúan) ¿Porque en la calificación final que le dieron a Dina se demoraron 5 minutos?, ¿que los jueces estaban acomodando las penalizaciones? o Dina obtuvo una calificación que no les convenía a los israelitas y buscaron bajar unas décimas, ya sea en la dificultad o en la penalización o en ambas. El resultado final fue Linoy 107.800, Dina 107.650 exactamente las penalizaciones y la supuesta baja dificultad de 0.200 de Dina. Si Linoy recibía la justa ejecución de 8.1 o 7.9 no ganaba o la bajada de dificultad da 15.000 a 14.800, de la misma forma no ganaba, conclusión FUE UN ROBO. Una frase que dijo Dina lo dice todo: “Cuando vi que se estaban demorando supe que me habían robado” Ahora como cereza para el pastel como dato extra, y gracias a los Rusos porque no me había dado cuenta, hay que contar que la rutina de la clasificación y la de la final son la misma, viendo los dos videos simultáneamente vemos como Linoy al perder el artefacto pierde un movimiento y se salta el siguiente, retrasándose en la rutina y en la música, en la etapa de clasificación la hizo bien, ahora en la final no tanto, ¿porque tiene más puntos? Miren el video czcams.com/video/WrlQfTbudbM/video.html Puntuación de la rutina en etapa de clasificación 14.700 de dificulta y 8.8 de ejecución Puntuación de la rutina en la final (con caída del implemento) 15.000 de dificultad y 8.3 de ejecución Esto entierra el bulo de los ladrones, que dicen que la dificultad era mayor, cuando la misma rutina es valorada de diferentes maneras por los mismos jueces y la que califica con mayor puntaje de dificultad es la que hace mal Linoy. Esto comprueba que fue un robo más descarado que el que había analizado solo con las penalizaciones. Sin temor a equivocarme Dina es la verdadera campeona, si antes estaba dudoso ahora estoy 100% convencido.
Si lo sigues hace varios años deberías saber contar las dificultades corporales también, de las que Dina desafortunadamente (por su lesión de el espalda) tuvo que reducir para poder competir, por lo cual Linoy tuvo oportunidad de aventajar y sacarle un punto
Well,in group,Bulgaria deserved gold.
Beacuse russia did so many mistakes
Short answer: Politics
nothing really went wrong, linoy was just better??I know its a shock for all of russions but with this you can learn that not only russians can win, i love dina she is so elegant! but i just think that linoy deserves it too
I miss Rita
Wrong for Russia was 💃Linoy was good and she is not in russian team!!!
Dina deserved gold.Not linoy.
That's true
I thought Dina definitely should have gotten the gold and the twins were being graded very low. I think that messed up Arina’s head that’s why she was so nervous that she messed up on the ribbon. However in group I kinda saw it coming that they weren’t gonna win 1 st place. There were lots of things that contributed to that loss. But I say this though the major reasons are the CoD and the coaches still keeping the older members there. Idk who thought that was a good idea 🤷♀️
You obviously don’t know shit about the sport so fucking shut up. It’s all about having high difficulty and Dina didn’t have it this time
The only hope for dina is to ashram have a knot not a drop, but didnt happen...:( congrats to all the medalist....
Cop not cod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Her drop with two steps to retrieve was worth 0.7 points, for which she was penalized by 0.7-0.8 points in her Technical Execution (ET of -1.3 instead of usual 0.55-0.65), her diffulty was only worth a meager 0.2 points (AD of 9.6 instead of 9.8) and I assume she was deduced by another 0.2 points in her artistic score (EA of -0.4 instead of usual -0.2).
The lower scores of Dina are mainly due to lower BD values and a cumulation of reappearing problems like her releasing the balances before the min. 1 sec. or rotating after catching the apparatus instead of rotating while catching.
Linoy on the other showed a lovely pirouette even on a notably high relevé and significantly less balances which spared her from the 1-second-rule and its penalty.
@@brianekay4149 Learn to accept people's opinion
Hmm...what is there to say? Dina was underscored with the ribbon and Linoy's ribbon was over scored, that is factual. I don't like Linoy, but she was more 'solid' in the AA finals in the other 3 apparatuses. I already knew the judges would give the gold to Linoy regardless if she did or did not make major mistakes.
They focus on ribbon only. As if there is individual final lol...or maybe they are trying to blame someone for their loss hmmmmmmmmmm....
Her drop with two steps to retrieve was worth 0.7 points, for which she was penalized by 0.7-0.8 points in her Technical Execution (ET of -1.3 instead of usual 0.55-0.65), her diffulty was only worth a meager 0.2 points (AD of 9.6 instead of 9.8) and I assume she was deduced by another 0.2 points in her artistic score (EA of -0.4 instead of usual -0.2).
The lower scores of Dina are mainly due to lower BD values and a cumulation of reappearing problems like her releasing the balances before the min. 1 sec. or rotating after catching the apparatus instead of rotating while catching.
Linoy on the other showed a lovely pirouette even on a notably high relevé and significantly less balances which spared her from the 1-second-rule and its penalty.
I don't care Linoy getting the gold but Anna Rizatdinova should shut up about rio
It makes me so happy to see other countries that are not Russia winning, it's very refreshing and makes me feel hopeful about the future of RG. Honestly, the Russian group routines felt boring and messy to me, whilst other routines like Italy 3+2 made me cry
Italy's 3 hoops + 4 clubs was fire! Literally crying because they didn't get the silver medal.
Linoy has no grace. Her rutine have more difficulty but her mistake was big. For me Averina was much better.
Arina did not compete??
She came fourth
I’m an ultimate fan of Russian gymnasts, so naturally I was deeply saddeneb by the results, nonetheless, I understand the CoP and why you might think the results turned out the way they did, however, I was appalled after seeing the amount of inquiries submitted not only by ROC but by many many other gymnasts and groups. I think this is something that should be taken into account as the judging was definitely not on point, many countries were not pleased, not only ROC.
I think they used to judges on they home court like grand prix giving them a sky high scores almost 30.00 marks, but tokyo olympics is diff, its the biggest and international stage, i saw how tense they are on the carpet too. Just my opinion, mybe right maybe wrong.
Yes, a lot of inquiries, but for the wrong reasons! because gymnasts and federations are so used to astronomicaly unfair and crazy high scores that when they were judge fairly, the could not believe it!
The problem imo is the discordance between competition judging and Olympic judging, the FIG need to do something about it for sure
New gymnastics rule - “no drop no gold”, hahaha
She should return tjhe gold from sofia. Shame on her.
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Her drop with two steps to retrieve was worth 0.7 points, for which she was penalized by 0.7-0.8 points in her Technical Execution (ET of -1.3 instead of usual 0.55-0.65), her diffulty was only worth a meager 0.2 points (AD of 9.6 instead of 9.8) and I assume she was deduced by another 0.2 points in her artistic score (EA of -0.4 instead of usual -0.2).
The lower scores of Dina are mainly due to lower BD values and a cumulation of reappearing problems like her releasing the balances before the min. 1 sec. or rotating after catching the apparatus instead of rotating while catching.
Linoy on the other showed a lovely pirouette even on a notably high relevé and significantly less balances which spared her from the 1-second-rule and its penalty.
@@opal746 you can add 100 points and then deduct 70 and say then “look, we deducted even 70 points for her mistake”. Therefore it doesn’t make a sense how much you deducted. The more sense makes what is difference with performance between qualification and final. Why without obvious mistakes she got 23500 in qual. and 23300 in final with serious mistake? What was was specific in her performance in final in compare with qual. And I can say nothing. You can compare 2 videos (qual&final) frame by frame, sec by sec and will see nothing outstanding was in her final performance
@@johnalamariz2491 she got 19000 for that. Let’s give 19000 to linoy in Tokyo for the same mistakes and will see who will get gold in Tokyo.
@@rustamnasredinov843 A schooled eye does see the difference, e.g. her pivot on a notably high relevé. Also, the rise and fall in scores from qual to final is highly typical in RG. Quals are rarely an accurate portrayal of the coming final results. Best regards.
Linoy was better.
My heart with Dina, they were put in a corner from the beginning and of course she may not be so immerse in music as she normally is, how could her? She felt attacked round by round. I'm not Russian, I dont care about politics or any shit like that but people please stop defending the indefensible. They took the gold from that girl and that will remain forever. This Olympics showed how political matters are above anything, they used this gorgeous woman trying to ashame Russia but first they killed her talent, pride, work and passion. ATHLETES ARE HUMANS NOT COUNTRIES.