Texas School Shooting: What a Past Survivor Has to Say
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- What’s the answer to the seemingly never-ending spate of mass shootings in the U.S.? VICE News visits Uvalde, Texas, where an 18-year-old killed 19 students and two teachers at an elementary school to find out what people are saying. And we hear a very different perspective from a survivor of the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history-the 2017 massacre of 26 churchgoers in Sunderland Springs.
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I will never understand why you have to be 21 to drink alcohol, But it’s totally acceptable for an 18-year-old to buy a gun.
Because gun Lobbies own the GOP. Republican Party has been neutered for years now
How about an 18 year old joining the army, getting a gun and getting blown into pieces?
I learned why 21.
Because 18 years old would drinking on lunch breaks in school.
Southern states regularly hade held back students and wasn't uncommon for them to graduate at 20.
But what that proves is students couldn't simply go out and buy liquor at 18. It stopped them.
Now Americas unhealthy relationship with binge drinking and the taboos is a different conversation completely.
Maybe the age limit for alcohol should be lowered is the takeaway. America is practically the only country that doesn't allow 18 year olds to drink
@@Othurin agree
Gun owners always say “It’s my 2nd amendment right”. I would say 95% of them could not recite the 2nd amendment, they just skip to the part “right to bear arms”
People who call for "common sense gun laws" and "ban 30 caliber clips" know little to nothing about firearms.
The entire passage explains in order to keep a well regulated militia the right for personal arms shall not be infringed. No matter how much u try to twist it.
@@nickysantoro9194 I am well regulated milita.
That’s Texas for you! And it’s going to happen even more
@@Thisisoscar_ Not really anti gun people clearly know pulling a trigger is easy lmao
I burst out in tears when it got to the part where he said some of the kids were unrecognizable, I can’t even begin to wrap my head around the trauma those survivors have, they’re just babies my god this world is in such a horrible place
Yeah, I had to sit down.
Seems like you might be emotionally unstable
im still recovering from that moment. i can only imagine having to carry that with you for the rest of your life, knowing your child is gone. america needs to change, now
@TheLegend 27 it seems that there is a problem with the educational system. If there is some factual evidence from another country which proves that when they took the guns away things got better then you have to face up to those facts. Instead they think they can just carry on and that Jesus will come down and save them.
@TheLegend 27 That's all it will take is one tiny torn apart body on full display. There's a mother from Sandy Hook described her son not having the bottom half of his face. I can't even imagine those kinds of devastating wounds in a small child.
“If we take guns away we end up in utter chaos.” Isn’t all these mass shootings a sign of chaos?
I think people don't want to let go of guns, the reason I understand is they don't trust their government necessarily so they don't want only entities they don't trust to have the ability to defend everyone against a deadly threat. Not trusting your own government all comes down to a deeper social issue as well.
All they hear is people trying to take their guns, when really everyone just wants to make so psychopaths cannot.
They want to keep their guns desperately because they have those "what if" a country invaded us, government collapsed or apocalypse hit and we are defenseless, but those aren't very realistic reasons because no one is trying to banish anyone from ever owning one 😅 simply vetting out the ones who shouldn't have one.
@@breruckle2649 conservatives say they want their guns in case the govt becomes tyrannical, but every time the police brutalizes people practicing the first amendment, there they are right alongside the cops helping them round up protesters. Conservatives without their guns is like a dog without its balls
Nah just a few bad apples, lone wolves, freedom abusers.. lol nothing to see here, pray and move on! Murica!
@@G0DofRock “pray and move on” nothing to see here”
As an Australian, I don't understand why people 'need' guns. The only firearms sold here are illegal ones through the black market and the only people getting shot are criminals who shoot each other not innocent children. I guess its American culture to carry firearms and there's a big market and money to be made, i hope the lives of these children are worth it.
So you still have guns 😂 ok then revolution needs to happen not voting
Free men need gun so they don’t end up like Australians
@@softlightlaboratory theyre fine man, and kids are not dying to guns. We have a problem.
@@polkunus yes the and link to so why you cherry picking lol
Yes I'm sure you Aussies held that same sentiment towards guns when Japan was knocking on your door back in 1942.
I read that in 2021 the state of Texas LOWERED the age a person can purchase a gun from 21 to 18.. absolute madness
@Hshs Bshs now try getting a gun in Germany or Japan. Not so easy when common sense in involved
Not true
By Abbot.
@@tretre92 Yes he did
Texas HB1927
Signed on 9/16/2021 effectivce 9/1/2021.
@@genestarwind4610I can obviously tell you don’t read.
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
relating to provisions governing the carrying of a firearm by a
person who is 21 years of age or older and not otherwise prohibited
by state or federal law from possessing the firearm and to other
provisions related to the carrying, possessing, transporting, or
storing of a firearm or other weapon; creating criminal offenses.
As a Texan, thank y’all so much for covering this and in this manner. Sutherland Springs was incredibly close to home and y’all’s coverage of the mass shooting deniers getting arrested there was really important as well. All I can say is thank you.
Again, they believe it's not the gun's fault. He can have the gun.
If someone detonated a nuke, it's not that nuke's fault. He can have the nuke.
@@thotslayer9914 lunatics 🤣
Wait, deniers?
217 SCHOOL SHOOTING IN THE LAST YEAR WAKE UP
Deniers?
The politicians came, spoke and mourned; but they'll never act.
@Jajajaja Jajajaja ok and funding the police increases crime what's your point 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you thought you did something but I did I can even give you the link go ahead nerd 🤓🤓
They sought a strict gun law reform. But then people scream "TYRANNY!!!".
@@dwight9850 reform means nothing just promises
@Jajajaja Jajajaja I don't even understand how that makes sense. Police are usually not put in schools lmao.
Obviously
I find it slightly confused listening to the woman that survived the mass shooting. From what she said, she cleared agreed that certain gun legislations have to be reformed, especially when she questioned one assault rifles could be purchased by an average 18 year old. But at the same time she seems to be defending the person by doubling down on second amendment right.
The fervour for gun ownership in American culture is almost toxic at this point that these people have become self contradictory when talking about it.
It think it's because she lives in the what if scenario where whe would have carried her gun with her that day and saved her son from being paralysed.
But this same lady would agree that the freedom to terminate a pregnancy should be heavily restricted. 🤯
Arm the teachers its pathetic the left just wants tk take everyone's rights away it won't do anything in america
Not almost it is
@@THATBOISHAD thank you
Absolutely disturbing how kids can’t even be safe in school.
Those kids were defenseless and did not deserve to die whatsoever. 🥺😢😢
I can’t even imagine the fear and horror these poor kids went through in those final minutes in that classroom.
Rest In Peace to the teachers and students who died in this horrific incident. 🙏🏽 🙏🏽 🕊 🕊 💔 💔
🙏🏾
19 died that day and 100 more died due to lack of social distancing mourning the 19
Heard some Texans blame the school for not locking their doors and others say the US schools needs armed guards. Both sounds crazy, locked school door seems like a fire hazard and to appease these gun loving fanatics armed guards should safeguard schools? Something is truly wrong over there.
Statistic show this is quite rare compared to child abuse,, drowning, car accidents. Are you concerned about those?
@@Dan16673 of course they are,but that doesn't mean they can't be concerned for School shooting aswell
Tragic that so many Americans seem unable to imagine themselves living in a country where they don't need to carry a weapon to survive the day.
You reallly think criminals and sick fucks like this are just gonna hand over their guns. And have any concern for the law
Banning guns will only affect law abiding citizens. Banning guns will be about as successful as the governments failed war on drugs. The problem will still be there.
Some of us imagine it, but we know it will not be a reality in our lifetime, nor our grandchildren's lifetime (the grandchildren that survive to graduate, that is).
if youre comparing the us to the rest of the west or first world countries then sure
Did you hear that gun survivor speak about guns? Even though she survived a mass shooting that left her own child paralyzed, she still loves guns and defends the right to own them. At this point, I think guns are just a sort of religion in America. The American people love guns more than their own lives.
And she mentioned something about a gun being a tool. Well, yeah, a tool for killing. There is literally no other use for a gun. A gun is made to kill. C'est fini.
You are assuming that killing is always wrong, or unnecessary to protect innocent life.
big stupid religion of course
Of course thats why the government has most of them
@@SuperSmeggs Yeah sure, because we all saw how this "Tool" was used for good during this shooting right?
Wrong, there were PLENTY of 'Good guys' with guns that didn't do ANYTHING to prevent this shooting or lower the number of victims.
So either the cops were NOT good guys, and were just cowards, OR having more guns means more death. I say it's bough, but you can't say it's neither.
Well as fascist corporatists take over the government and our nation falls apparently and is only going to get worse with inflation, recession and climate change, I wouldn't give up my right to a gun, however she also made the point that an 18 yr old doesn't need tactical gear and AR 15 since he is not police or military. In Texas it's like the wild west.
"Faith Without Works Is Dead". Screw thoughts and prayers, do something. Anything.
exactly. that's in their own handbook
The fact that we have moved away from God doesn't change anything. God is still real. And he doesn't intervene in humans since jesus. He said it. He has sealed his words. But the lord is coming
So TRUE!
@@GeovanniCastro666 no his not, there been news reports of people saying that and never come, stop lying God not real
@@softlightlaboratory He is,and He is coming you are just too drowned in your sins to even let Him breathe fresh air into your corruption
I really want Americans to look at themselves and think, is owning a gun more important than the lives of your children?
I think most Americans agree on this. But the Republican Mafia doesn't care about the people, they only care about the NRA's campaign donations.
As an American myself
Unfortunately, there are definitely people who think this, though usually those same people don't have children. There should definitely be more control over owning guns. No reason an 18-year old should be able to own an AR, and to do so more easily than it is to vote here, especially.
Says the person who probably think abortion should be legalised
It's their 2a rights get over it as an Aussie gun control has not worked
I have 0 children and would give my right to own a Military weapon like a AR15 in a SECOND if it means no more babies dying
(2:04) I got chills when he talked about how families of the murdered children were waiting on DNA tests to identify remains because their faces were blasted off by the gunman. How are Americans ok with allowing something so brutal and dangerous to be carried around casually in public? Surely they would take issue with someone wielding less dangerous weapons, like knives or clubs, but a gun that could easily kill someone with a single shot to the head is fine? What kind of madness is this????
we’re not ok w it, only conservatives that care more abt guns that ppls lives
Think you need to read up on how gun laws work. Yeah we just let every idiot own an rifle and walk the streets with them
Everyone is lost and devided
Because " muh freedom", part of the reason i despised alt right or gun fcks, imagine your personality being about guns giving you freedom, jeeez poor children
Okay, so take away the guns and we’ll end up like Canada, Australia or New Zealand? Authoritarian rule. There is a good reason why we have the Amendment. There are better solutions than taking away guns!
Gov. Abbott needs to go. How can you loosen gun laws then ask for prayers.
How in God's name does anyone think it is smart to give a 18 year old male access to an AR-15.
I had 2 brothers, they had raging hormones and were emotionally all over the place.
Then you agree we shouldn't let these young men in the military as they tend to embrace their aggression instead of calm it
I guess 18 year olds shouldn’t be in the military.
@@Apex_Yonko agreed
I hope America not to be freed to use guns freedom. The weapons freedom abilty should be banned.
As a gun owner, I want to make it clear, there's a huge difference between owning a rifle or two for hunting, owning a pistol for personal security; versus owning an AR-15, or as is more often the case, an arsenal of weapons of war. A good, law-abiding citizen has no problem with getting a license to own a gun, registering that ownership, and passing a safety course to prove you are capable of handling it responsibly. A responsible gun-owner knows first-hand that guns are dangerous tools that demand the utmost supervision and scrutiny. The group of gun advocates who oppose common-sense regulation are the same people who collect and covet weapons of war. Guns designed specifically for killing large numbers of people and nothing else. They all hold one belief in common: opposition to government. Period. I believe they are, by their own words, a threat to society, and a threat to our democratically elected government. They are also directly responsible for America's unique and horrific plague of mass-murders. Whenever I see that bumper-sticker that says something to the effect of "out of my cold, dead hands," I always think: "If that's what it takes, so be it." A safe America, is a sane America; and that will never be one where tools designed specifically for mass murder are available and easily acquired by anybody, anywhere, anytime without any scrutiny of any kind. That is very insanity we are now living in.
Well said. Thank you. Your first sentence especially, is exactly what I've always thought.
well said my man, we need more gun owners who think like you!
Very well said!
But not everyone is like you or thinks like you and that’s the sad thing. :(
The fundamental idea behind the second amendment in this country is having the right to oppose a tyrannical force. Not personal protection or hunting. Though ironically, the AR-15 is such a good platform that many people use it for personal protection, hunting, AND a precaution against a tyrannical force. Millions of AR 15s and other similarly designed rifles have been and still are owned, bought, and sold all across the country for many decades now. Yet these shootings happen extremely rarely compared to the amount of these guns you claim to cause them, and did not happen until the past couple of decades, specifically in the last ten years despite the rifle existing in the early 60's over 60 years ago. Correlation does not imply causation, people are not suddenly shooting up schools in the past ten years because guns have appeared in this time frame. Banning such weapons will not stop the violence.
Please understand that myself and many other gun owners do take safety very seriously. Any sane person is not going to argue against background checks (which we already have) to prevent giving guns to criminals. But not only do these checks not stop the shootings like we see here in the video, but banning specific firearms is a tried and true method of "common sense" gun control, it has not, and never will work. hundreds of guns, magazine types/capacity, moon clips, barrel lengths, optic styles, bump stocks, and many more have been banned in the US, yet crime and mass shootings continue to soar.
Having a proper conversation about what can be done to improve mental, financial, and social situations that plague many of the young men that do these horrible acts might go a long way. Having temporary armed guards and improved screening/metal detectors before entering and other precautions could be a good short term solution until we can address the underlying human issue at hand in these situations.
There are solutions. stricter gun laws against law-abiding citizens is not one of them.
Countries with low rates of gun related violence (such as in parts of East Asia and Europe) implement the following:
1. Require permit/license and age restriction of 21+ for pistol/rifle for hunting/self-defense valid for 5 years, no semiautomatic weapons unless for qualified and credentialed sport shooting athletes valid for 3 years
2. Mandatory gun safety education followed by written exam
3. Mandatory marksmanship proficiency exam (96% accuracy; pass/fail)
4. Mandatory legal and civil liability course + purchase of gun liability insurance
5. Mental health evaluation by qualified provider
6. Criminal background check
7. Interview with local police precinct/station of applicant and family of applicant
8. Declaration of location of gun/ammo safe with lock (firearm and ammunition must be separated)
Exactly. And it works. I'm in the UK and am ex British Army. I have a couple of shotguns and a .22 which I use for small game. I keep my weapons in a locked cabinet and my ammunition in a separate locked case. I have no desire for 'home defence; weapons.
This is 100% common sense. But the Republicans prioritize getting NRA money over the safety of the people they manipulated to vote for them.
It's much more of a mental health and culture issue in North America. But some changes to the gun laws would be a good thing.
1. Agree with age restriction, disagree with semi auto rifles, competitive sporting with semi rifles take a completely different skill set than pistols/shotguns/bolt guns for law-abiding average civilians.
2. 100%
3. Practical safety examination rather than marksmanship, for a beginner with no experience, expecting a 96% marksmanship score is unrealistic unless the targets were large and no more than 5 meters away. Along with safe storage of firearms.
4. 100%
5. Most definitely
6. Expensive policing hours for the sheer population of the states, but could be offset by fees.
7. Disagree for the US, full agreement for Canada. But home invasions are a problem in the US, this could severely impact response times of homeowners who are about to be victimized.
However, many criminals would completely bypass the licensing stage in the US. This could potentially, however, potentially reduce mentally unstable people from acquiring firearms.
It would be a huge help to ban all social media for youth under the age of 19. More time needs to be spent with peers in person, rather than through screens.
Yep people forget we still get guns here in the UK but you need a license. We still have shootings here but the death toll is way less since most of the time it's just a handgun, also no school shooting since 1996 because checks stop them from going to criminals and crazy people.
Well this won’t work here in the states because then people will just buy guns from others that don’t care and just want to sell their guns so if they want to is to stop they have a lot of work to do
Non american here. Honestly I think there are deep social issues within american society that have more to do with shootings than the availability of guns themselves. I'm not saying guns don't have anything to do with it, I'm just saying as an outside observer that the main issue is of social nature.
That’s what the doctor was saying at the end there
@@thelolocaust2.022 what does this have to do with diversity ?
@@thelolocaust2.022 thinking is not your strength 😕
@@malc3j345 he's blaming the violence in America on the fact it isn't a homogeneous nation of white Christians. He's fascist
I've been saying this a long time. As a Canadian, A LOT of their culture has been bleeding up here in the last 2 decades or so. Most of our gun violence is done with guns from the states. Unfortunately many of our citizens, drown themselves in American news stations all day and have kinda lost their own identities. "brain rott" is the biggest export America has these days, the violence in the media is normalized, guns are indoctrined into them as infants in many cases, it's honestly tragic. Guns are tools. When trained to use properly they are important.
These people are so delusional. “If I had a gun, I would have dealt with the shooter myself!”
Like please. Please just stop
Literally. A whole squad of Uvalde police officers were the supposed "good guys with guns" and they were SO helpful for those kids and their teachers weren't they?
Yeah, its so hilariously bad that it's almost offensive for people who went through it and hate guns ever more than they already did before it, their delusions are far up in their arses, assuming they're did injure the shooter even that's not possible because he'll be then using childrensnas shield at that point
how is that delusional? not everyone is a coward and actually want to help people. you need a little more faith in majority of society..
Jordan Keppler literally had a full episode proving that the "Good guy with a gun" was bullshit.
04:38 As a german citizen I can assure, that taking guns away doesn't lead to utter chaos.
As a native American Indian I disagree!
maybe in america people thought withouot guns people will shoot each other with bow and arrows
@@timothytrail3691 move on
As a German citizen you should know that fascism and communism has killed millions when that occurs. MILLIONS
I guess you forgot about WW2
That lady didn’t changed her mind even though a gun paralyzed her son. These people are far gone, Americans are far gone. Guns are the supreme leader in the US and I don’t think it will change
"taking away guns, would result in chaos". Yeah... here in germany is complete chaos because nearly noone has guns at home
Gun laws won’t stop the CRIMINALS gun laws will only restrict regular normal people, the issue is why a school past a certain number of students doesn’t have a exterior security patrol, make security more common these sick killers only go after soft targets
The survivor lady is probably still traumatized. How could she still not want gun reform is insane to me though. And gun reform doesnt automatically mean take away all guns. No gun reform could be number of things like make it very difficult to obtain, strict recordkeeping etc
@@TheMovieAlex really? Germany is wild?
@@TheMovieAlex Im pretty sure she means "how do you take something away from someone that doesnt want to give it to you" vast majority of americans want guns and you cant simply just take them away without resistance
they keep saying "if they take guns away".... who tf is trying to take them away? we're asking for background checks, not a forced gun surrender.
People are idiots. I’m losing hope for the US
Background checks wouldn’t of prevented this. Or any other. All these shooters had clean backgrounds lol.
because once they do the background check, they know deep down they don't deserve to hold a firearm
@Sxkes what?
@v.el.l How's that working so far?
Had the cops not been cowards and chased him in the school there might not have been so many dead. Smh
Thanks constable John brown
or one of the cop can sneak in and kill him, but nah, they want to save their own lives.
Useless 🐖's smfh
Had the kids been homeschooled thier parents could be protecting them themselves
@@sociallypatterneddefect9580 and have a socially awkward kid who can’t connect with their peer.
I have no words. What a terrifying and senseless tragedy. I’m so sorry for everyone impacted. 😢💔🙏🏾💝
the media should stop reporting these shootings thats scaring people into going outside. the economy is tanking, businesses need revenue.
@@pepelepew1227 soooo, no news, then what? Be in the dark???
@@Benni777 less worry, less copycats. dems kept making little additions and nothing's changed.
my crystal ball says your snowflake eyes will shed another liter of pee in next week's shootingS and the week after that and after that and so on.
it's just like covid, nothing to worry about. so get your @$$ out and do some shopping.
@@pepelepew1227 You dropped yr brain bro
@@Sang25x3 nah. yours ended up being displaced to your bowels, son.
see you on the next mass shooting news next week.
As a non American I can't understand why the war on terrorism gets so much more attention than trying to rectify/understand mass shootings.
Momey
Politics. The parties never let a good tragedy go to waste.
After what happened in Uvalde with nearly two dozen cowardly, armed to the tooth pigs sitting in a hallway and listening to children being slaughtered beyond recognition, while the other pigs beat and tazed their parents outside- it is officially time to retire the “good guys with guns” line.
Exactly. It's a worn-out trope well past its sell-by date.
ur mom
Its time to stand up and fight back.
The cops aren't the good guys
@@squidwardo7074 That was implied by the repeated use of the word “pigs”. The far right nut jobs worship them as heroes and good guys.
The media has a lot to do with the problem as well. Stop making these psychopaths famous. No pictures, no name, no fame.
Thank you VICE. My heart goes out to every single person in Uvalde. Dr. Miguel de Oliver was very well spoken.
She said if we take guns away, we will end up in utter chaos. Is not already chaotic? @4:38
Utter chaos will be full on civil war. What's going on now is nothing new.
exactly. plus, no one's going to melt down everyones guns!! that's such an extreme thing to say when we're just asking for stricter gun control to make sure ar-15's aren't in the wrong hands like a barely 18 year old high school student who killed animals for entertainment and made guns his identity.
Props to VICE acknowledging the “semi-automatic” rifle distinction.
5:55 what the Prof said is absolutely 💯. Minorities have largely been left out of the 2nd amendment game and have more often than not been characterized as criminals (stereotypes about hispanics and blacks and gang warfare with guns). While there are outliers such as the "rooftop korean" which came to the spotlight following the Rodney King riots, it was only because law enforcement largely left those minority neighborhoods to fend for themselves
Stop being gang banging criminals then 🤡
They've never been "left out". They've always had the exact same rights in that respect.
@@IloveTide1997 on paper, yeah.
@@dewilew2137 ...and in practice too. Go buy one. You're not oppressed lmao
@@IloveTide1997 but he will be profiled Eric something you'll never experience
plenty of countries have legal gun ownership and have zero mass shootings, why does America refuse to address it's mental health issues and why has it shut down Psychiatric hospitals for decades now.
They also have strict laws regarding gun ownership. You can own a gun in my country but you need to go through a series of checks and a training. We also have mental health crisis but had no school
shootings. Ever.
Guns and religion in USA. sorry but the world and especially Europe just sits backs gives a collective sigh
America created this culture of murder in schools, you have to live with it now since you will never change it. Oh well, i guess in america you need to "survive" school now. What a horrible country.
@@MVGAactual not in europe lool
@@MVGAactual Yeah dude, as a Canadian, I'm literally constantly in prison for what I say.... What a fucking take. American exceptionalism is a helluva drug!
@Yummy Spaghetti Noodles So they arrested someone trying to push for the systematic oppression of others? Sounds pretty "pro-inclusion" to me. How do you expect to have a free, inclusive, and diverse society if you're unwilling to defend it from the threat of oppression? A homophobic, religious zealot who views themselves as being above others is exactly that; a threat.
@@MVGAactual you must really love nazis and racists to be so against hate speech laws
It should never be more difficult to vote than it is to obtain a firearm....and yet somehow this is the position we find ourselves in...
That is so true, and so pathetically sad...
It isn't more difficult to vote than obtain a firearm. For a registered voter, it is easy to get a mail in ballot and send it in. You can even vote with no ID in most states, you would not be allowed to buy a gun.
@@thotslayer9914 no. Idk how to use discord lol
@@iloveyouamberappel in some states it is definitely easier to get a firearm than vote. Especially with how many voter registration bills have gone through the past few years. Due to a technicality in the law that confused even the woman registering me after a move I was able to register but not cast a vote in my state, but I'd be able to buy a gun. So yes, in WI if you haven't updated your ID from another state but have everything else in order, you would be blocked casting a vote. I was.
@@achyleftistwitch Your situation is anecdotal and does not represent the average experience. Add to that you haven't tried to purchased a gun.
There is no state where a 18 year old walking into a voting place is met with any hurdles not easily met. This is not true for gun ownership. Or if you believe this... tell me which state you are referring to.
This still... won't change anything. Sadly... this will happen again soon. And when it does... nothing will happen again. Repeat.
Non American here
If texas doesn't want to ban guns outright that's fine, but it's totally baffling to me that you can get a gun as dangerous as an AR-15 (which cops are terrified of) with NO CHECKS. That part definitely needs amended.
what makes a glock less dangerous than an AR-15
What do you mean no checks? You have to do a background check for any gun and
@@tretre92 background checks don't always prevent shootings. You can easily have a mental breakdown and start shooting people without having done a crime your whole life before
@@kuseel7493 so how would you prevent it?
@@id-br1kt Longer barrel better accuracy.
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From EU :I was wondering why does it take so long and complicated for parents to identify their kids are dead or alive with DNA Test !! Hearing what the Senator HAVE said, now I understand that the shooter aimed on the face of those poor children with AR15 till their face cant be recognise or identify. Why let teen own AR15, a war weapon without even strict background check, mental check and license. Its just like intentionally asking trouble for your states!!!!
All you need is love… so very helpful. Funny how he is just helpless to do anything about this, but is chock-full of energy to put a stop to a range of other “problems. “ Sad, he should just admit he’d rather have school shootings than inconvenience gun owners.
It’s not a material problem it’s a person issue….
Here's an interesting fact:
*"Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.”"*
*"The display so frightened politicians-including California governor Ronald Reagan-that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions."*
*“The law was part of a wave of laws that were passed in the late 1960s regulating guns, especially to target African-Americans,” says Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms. “Including the Gun Control Act of 1968, which adopted new laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns, providing for beefed up licensing and inspections of gun dealers and restricting the importation of cheap Saturday night specials [pocket pistols] that were popular in some urban communities.”"*
*"In contrast to the NRA’s rigid opposition to gun control in today’s America, the organization fought alongside the government for stricter gun regulations in the 1960s. This was part of an effort to keep guns out of the hands of African-Americans as racial tensions in the nation grew. The NRA felt especially threatened by the Black Panthers, whose well-photographed carrying of weapons in public spaces was entirely legal in the state of California, where they were based."*
Something to think about.... #Ijs 🤷🏻♀️
Both our government & the NRA were more than willing to implement gun control when it was for racist reasons...
Oh & the NRA "adopted" (stole) the "pro-gun" stance from the Black Panthers.
The NRA started with teaching, training & assisting to establish gun laws back in the 30's. 💯
Funny how a lot of laws meant to restrict minorities, are now restricting all of us in some way or another. Almost like some kind of Universal Karma.
@@alexvldz7 we know the Black Panthers took up arms defending their communities from the likes of the KKK for example. Black Panthers were aggressively dismantled while the KKK with a long history of violence and heinous acts of brutality have been left to operate with impunity pretty much the majority of US history... open your eyes before you die.
True. if the shooter was black they'd probably call it a terrorist attack
@@alexvldz7 some things don't have to be said out loud to to see a clear correlation.
Its like imagining the swift and lethal response that probably would have happened if it had been a crowd of African Americans storming the capital instead of a crowd of entitled white folk.
In America its not hard at all to see the connection between such things and racism.
Hell, even the first big anti-abortion movements has racist roots trying to encourage white women to not abort their white babies lest the colored folk outnumber them lol
@@You-tw4zs yea idk what ur trying to explain here, there were white rallies at the time and yet when a counter culture political party and race start accumulating power the nra and the gov acts. They were not storming the capital, simply rallying
Nice to see journalism is still around
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Vice is owned by oligarch billionaires (HBO). Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and pretty much all mainstream Western mainstream media outlets are owned by millionaires who have an agenda to support the status quo. So they can do journalism but only as long as it doesn't threaten billionaires too much.
I've always wondered what they're going to blame it on this time. The school shooter bingo, is it video games this time? Is it violent parents, maybe social media? No one ever wants to talk about mental health, bullying or healthcare. It's always something to blame while the truly astounding minds think forcing religion on anyone is gonna make the world the better place. I just don't understand how dumb people can get at this point.
As some may wonder about the mind of the person this BS came from.
I've heard them place the blame on the following: Not enough police, not enough guns, not enough God, too much education about systemic racism, too much education about human rights, "cyber gaming", too many doors... The list just keeps going
It's American culture which is the lack of culture while making fun of cultures.
@@rebeccaperry-piper2733 Ah, so it's the COVID-19 restrictions that are to blame. That must be the reason for all the school shootings prior to 2020 as well!
@@cemetarygates2800 What would you do, pantera man? Force students into christianity?
Amazing work from Vice
I did not expect this video from what I’ve seen recently from Vice.
I think this nails the problem with the problem on mass shootings. By that I mean that the problem is not simply possession of firearms but is The identity individuals in the collective we call America have. The Societal values that are shaping children and specifically that are causing such apathy and pain and anger for young men. America is the only country where this happens. All of the philosophies of capitalism that have shaped our culture must be addressed and criticized because from what I have seen in the news this horrific tragedy was caused by basically a child.
Tell women this in America and they will call you a misogynist sexist evil man. The media doesn't care and social unrest benefits these behemoths of news-based television networks. They will continue to push all men are evil and violent and that all white men are racist. It is how they make money
Spot on…..and it will continue to happen over and over again….. :0(
Nailed it. Sociall functionality social isolation and mental health issues are at the root.
It's such a hard thing to talk to people about because everyone is emotional, but the solution is not armed guards and metal detectors, nor more background checks. It is investing in our children
True! We need to Analyze our selfs without the bias of “American Acceptionalism”. We need an unbiased look at the way we are living our lives and they way we are forcing our kids to live theirs.
The red pill crew is often at the center the dismay of young men everywhere.
Everyone wants to blame somebody else for their problems, whether it be women or Society in general
How heartbreaking, you think your kids are going to be safe in school & this happens, I don’t understand how he got into the school , people shouldn’t be able to just walk in, I can’t in my child’s school here in the U.K., thank you vice
Blame America
I feel sad. These kids not deserve this. Praying for all in Ulvade Texas.
DEVESTATION - I am truly sick over this horrific tragedy! I am furious when it is apparent a person in command absolutely failed to perform in the requirements of their position!!
I respectfully request that investigations be conducted thoroughly. Backgrounds must be reviewed to illicit past military experience, training records, and performance records of the scene commander and those 19 LEOs ordered to remain holding a safe static position outside the locked classroom’s doors. Something important may be revealed by such a study.
As a veteran US Marine SNCO, and retired police officer who served in three diverse police agencies including the NYPD’s Tactical Patrol Unit, there is no way I personally could have been capable of following what I would have perceived as such an awfully insane order to not do anything to “stop / terminate” the ongoing murders of captive helpless innocent school children behind a mere lock on a school classroom door!!!
Street cops, (not empty suits) particularly veterans from high crime urban environments, know what must be done to stop and neutralize deadly attacks. Running to engage an armed perp on a gun run job happens very often. All you think about is getting there to protect the others responding and to engage and stop / terminate the violent armed offender!
Having worked in smaller agencies one finds that the apparent potential for displays of procrastination, incompetent reasoning, cowardice and malfeasance are more problematic.
Further, those agencies are more likely to select a SRO for certain attributes which are apparently not indicative of a courageous LEO willing to challenge sudden lethal threats to students. Far too often assignment to a SRO detail was a gift to a particular MOS for the wrong reasons.
The PTSD and future chronic nightmares those at that horrific scene shall certainly sustain will be some measure of punitive consequence indeed.
start calling and treating these atrocities as TERRORISM maybe then yall get some progress on this crap instead of being the laughing stock under international spotlight
1:17 "A lotta good that did these kids over here." Couldn't say it better myself. Few, if any, Republicans are willing to risk the public relations fallout of supporting even small efforts at gun control. When the majority of Americans are in support of it, including a sizable portion of conservatives, this is ridiculous.
They’re working on a bill right now. And after they pass watered down bipartisan legislation that does nothing meaningful to stop this issue the repubelicans will tell you “see, gun laws don’t work,” after the next massacre. The Dems are f-ing up another opportunity to hammer their rivals over this issue by “extending a hand across the aisle.”
Sorry for your loss Texas family’s
They must had way better response
Time instead of waiting around.
These shootings need to stop
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If you’re a parent, please consider homeschooling. Majority of public schools have little or no way of stopping a murderer from going on a spree. I have a strong feeling that guns will never be reformed to the extent that it will make it impossible for people to attempt to do horrible things. I do wish that America can someday have hun laws to the like of Australia.
Homeschooling can curb this and highly recommend amen. Public safety is below where it's supposed to be and the government deserves their checks pulled back
@@igaraider Fml, when closing schools to stop school shootings is the easiest solution because we won't do anything else to curb this.
If we took a step back, and really looked at our society; we could make steps to make it better. We're on the brink of collapse in so many ways.
Home schooling is terrible, anti social and doesnt follow a regimented education
You need to teach ur kids on the troubles of america’s past and evolution
Make it challenging yet legal and fair for law-abiding American citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment right i.e. age restrictions, testing, training, vetting, background checks. Educate our population in order to teach them to honestly respect and appreciate firearms. This gun culture we have is pathetic, cancerous, and dangerous.
Education is the biggest issue at hand here. The culture is poisoned. This kid, and I mean that, kid was 18. 18! What is America teaching their children that at such a young age their already desensitized to violence to the point where they can pull this off. Sure mental health is a factor in many cases, but that leads back to education again. If kids were taught some degree of emotional intelligence and coping skills, they might not fly off the handle and go postal soo much. I agree with your points 100%, restrict the access to the 2nd amendment completely, but there needs to be more. the culture needs to be addressed as well.
Sounds great, just make it nearly impossible for individuals who have the mental capacity to safely handle firearms, while those with a blatant disregard for the law will continue to use firearms in anyway they see fit. Thats right, restriction is the only way to solve this issue, because people will totally listen when theyre told what to do!
Why is everyone so damn concerned about defending 2A tooth and nail?!?
It’s 235 YEARS OLD!!!!
We don’t even use recipes that are 235 years old!
You REALLY need to allow our democracy to grow and progress.
We will NEVER do that marrying ourselves to such an accent and archaic document.
What an audacious mentality.
“I’ll write a document…and it will withstand thousands of years….and even if society changes, my document stays exact and society MUST follow it exactly”.
Grow up dudes.
Use your own brain.
You’re using the brain of dudes who spent hours every morning powdering their wigs.
George Washington had slaves…and he took their teeth out and used them as his own.
Let’s NOT do everything EXACTLY like they did 235 years ago….please.
@@DrTeeth609
Can person A kill person B will a beer?
Try to use some common sense, kiddos.
@@sendthis9480 Of course u can, many people get killed by a crashed bottle of beer after emptying it. Its not enough alcohol to make one drunk but enough to not longer be sober and misjudge a situation.
Try to use some common sense, kid.
I am angered and upset at the same time,how can a human being simply just get a object that has no other purpose besides killing and go on to use that object to take the lives of some other human beings,younger beings..And kill them without despite never having done any hate towards you..."faces unrecognisable" I broke down after that.
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*an object (because "object" starts with a vowel sound)
*beings, younger (put spaces after punctuation marks)
*kill them despite them never
@@alvallac2171 Thank u...😭😭🤘🤘🤘
Disturbing…Painful… words are like - keeping big stone on chest.
With parents🙏may god give them courage
_You can go to Texas & see literal kids with gun holsters just walking around at Walmart & the locals think that’s normal…it’s insane lmao_
THOSE MASS SHOOTERS WANT ATTENTION LIKE THIS , THE MEDIA ARE GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT .
THIS. But I bet Gov. Abott don't give two fs though.
As a Canadian with no dog in the gun fight, can a gun rights supporter please explain why the age to obtain these weapons can't rise to 21? Why would that be a bad idea?
because someone at 21 can be a serial killers as easily as a kid can be
@@irocc would you agree that on average a 21 yr old will be more mature than an 18 year old? They don't allow drinking till 21 in the US, so it stands to reason there is some logic to the age threshold argument.
I spit on "thoughts and prayers"
America has problems that one doesn't even think about. An 18 year old ends up NOT with Playboy magazines but with TWO ARs, a battlefield machine gun, and he chooses to use it on kids at least a decade younger than him and the police takes more than 30 minutes to "neutralize" him. What a country!!!
My condolence to the victim families. I hope US will soon resolve this matter. U guys shouldn't let this kind of tragedy to continue happening. I have few friends from US, one of them just arrived when the mass shooting happened. We were talking about it and he told us that it happened once at his school. While we were talking, he sounded totally fine, like it was the past, it was no big deal. Suddenly a loud noise from a motorbike (we have a lot of motorbikes in our country) startled him, he almost jumped out of his seat. Honestly seeing his reaction made us feel kinda sad for him and US people. Hope this matter will stop one day.
My prayers and condolences goes out to the people who lost their love ones in this horrible incident 🙏💔
My heart goes out to these victims
The major cause is bullying, america didn’t discussed that
aaaaaaaaand nothing is going to change.
We need to make gun safety and mental health evaluation classes a mandatory for school education.
No that dumb
May tragedy inspire benevolence. 🙏🏼
In two weeks it will be repeated somewhere else in the U.S.
America believe's they are a free country but they need to realise that sometimes not having guns is a greater freedom than ever owning one for protection. Like it's simple, you don't need protection from a harm that isn't there.
If you take away guns. That infringes the right to bear arms. It was there to establish protection from big corporations and the government. If you think we should be gun free you're not thinking straight.
We are not free if we are afraid of school shooters. WE. ARE. NOT. FREE.
@@garebeast373 Why should you even have a right to bear arms and protection like your government and society is supposed to protect you guys not try to kill you! That's so backhanded, it just furthur shows how you guys really aren't free if your afraid of your own capitalist society.
@@riz.a8384 Yes, that's reality it isn't always butterflies and chocolate. It's the cost of freedom.
@@jsmithsemper4848 Yes, so what sort of freedom you discussing. Reality sets in if you think we haven't established freedom.
You NEVER want to hear a politician say "If we have a LITTLE more control"
And if what you going to
Would love to hear more from Dr. Miguel de Oliver
May god help these poor souls and to those no longer with us Rest In Peace.
You know, samurai used to have a similar mentality of wrapping their identities up along with their weapons. Maybe there needs to be a cultural rejection of violence and a more sober appreciation for the damage that violent means can initiate upon flesh and bones. Perhaps creating a culture that actually places a value on living things at every level, and with that, a respect for those under threat. Life is too fragile.
This is absolutely at the crux of the issue, well said.
America loves gun culture, violence culture, narcissism, and IDGAF attitude...all of this needs to change...it is the problem with our culture...its sick. Glorifying violence and gang culture is not ok
"The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.” - D.H. Lawrence
Schools, Churches, Work, Groceries stores, Malls, Concerts, Movie theaters, This needs to stop!! I am a gun owner to. We as American have responsibilities and that is to protect our families at all cost and to have something serious like weapons maintained. They need to be more strict laws on ages and can’t no one purchase a gun until there background is approved. But then again it is up to us even if the law changes. People can’t be selling guns to under age people and that’s the problem with America Evil will not stop unless you stop it!! . God please help us all🙏🏼
The gun nutz the claim they are responsible law abiding citizens should NEVER EVER be against mandating responsible ownership.
Mandatory Training
Mental Health Screenings.
Safes/Lock
Canada is brilliant they require a recommendation for purchasing a gun.
@@genestarwind4610 amen I love this.
@@genestarwind4610 shall not be infringed baby
*too
*as Americans
*There need to be
*and no one should be able to purchase
*their background (possessive)
*us, even if
*underage
*America. Evil
@@trex3388 "well regulated"
19 dead kids you clown.
How is it possible to buy a gun at 18, drive at 16, going to war at 18 but you have to be 21 to buy a can of beer and 25 to rent a car?
“Utter chaos” just like every other civilized country that doesn’t sell tactical military gear at its Walmarts. I appreciate that people can disagree on issues but..,
This is good journalism. Showing both sides of an argument that is inevitable after a tragedy like this. (What I don’t think was mentioned was that the Sutherland springs shooting was stopped by a civilian with a firearm)
I don’t know where I stand. But I know I’m crying
According to the FBI, less than 3% of shooters are stoped by a good guy with a gun.
Meanwhile, Europe barely ever has a shooter anywhere.
Other developed countries don't need a "good civilian" to stop a mass shooter because there are none in the first place.
@@cancerino666 but they got stabbers
"Guns are no longer an instrument of utility...they've fully graduated or transformed into a symbol of identity."
As a non-gun owner, I've never looked it that way.
I knew vice couldn't wait for this one...
What kind of power does an AR-15 have? That liberal ass question is making me nauseous.
Message to GOP and NRA: How do we determine who is a "bad guy" from a "good guy" with a gun? Maybe better background checks and stronger licensing requirements no less stringent than being allowed to drive a car?
We already have that
Seems legit but it wont work. Even if they cant legally buy a gun they can always get it illegally.
100% agree, in Italy it takes 2 years to get a gun license for explame.
Then what?
Knives and rocks?
I didn't even take a drivers test, I handed them a waiver and got it immediately. Also there are probably 600M+ guns in this country. So your plan to stop people from getting guns won't work because the volume is too large, to out of control. If someone wants to get a gun, they will. If somone wants to kill someone they will. How do you stop a crazy guy who hasn't been pinged by agency yet? People will slip through. There are no solutions, only tradeoffs.
I honestly can’t believe you can be old enough to by an assault rifle but not cigarettes or beer. That’s fucking ridiculous. And NO BACKGROUND CHECK! We need background checks just to rent an apartment.
And nothing will change
Fear sells guns it's all about profit imagine the sale that shop had that sold this man two guns 1,200 rounds small business can't lose profit and gun sales $$$$$✌🏽😢
I like this type of vice
Totes.
Me too they are unbiased
These survivors should speak out and BE THE VOICE!!!
TEXAS SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FIRST THEN EACH ONE OF THOSE COWARD COPS!!!!!
_After 9/11 U.S be like: "We need to fight this globally"_
_And after losing almost a million people dead by stupid gun laws, The same U.S becomes blind,_ *Shame*
personalized nukes that have a bible and a flag on them for everyone. Oh how safe we would be
If every loon in America didn’t have easy access to semi automatic rifles…..this wouldn’t have happened.
You can market it as: individual-scale mutually assured destruction
Exactly what type of chaos does taking away guns forever would cause ? Am I wrong for thinking this argument is absurd ?
What people are shooting each other? Give em more guns
I hate the journalists smirk, like the poor woman should take a complete 180 over gun policies after surviving a shootout. What she hinted is actually the most reasonable solution: more control.
Yeah. But it sounds like she was in denial. What she said was literally more legislation on gun ownership but she was opposing the change to 2nd amendment. It was a bit awkward
@@andredingstertsao Bruh its literally like you didn't listen to what she said. She said that any crazy person shouldn't get access to guns. But since taking them all away is quite literally impossible if the right people have them its ok.
*"We don't need guns, just call the police." That statement is unbelievably dumb. If that's the case, you don't need a fire extinguisher, call the fire department.*
This was so sad
I live in Odessa, Tx were a man drove around shooting killing people I was at work here the pops of the gun. I didn't know he just killed a mail woman and took her truck he came so close to our work with each pop getting louder. It's beyond terrifying we didn't know if he would stop or drive on. He obtained his AR through 3rd person he shouldn't have been able too he shouldn't have been near a gun. But he got it and drove around shooting killing and injuring people. Now a lot of us here have PTSD when driving cause you don't know anymore. You don't know if someone carrying is gonna kill you, your child, your siblings, mother or father. The gun laws are so lax here anyone can get a gun it's as easy as 1 2 3.
It shouldn't be that easy. I don't understand the need for high capacity assaults' riffles. I don't understand why a handgun isn't enough why do you need so many guns why so many that can spray bullets with ease. I'll never understand that need and greed over human life. I was lucky I heard the shots recognized them and took cover. The man down the street from us wasn't he was shot dead outside his home. We shouldn't have to count ourselves lucky for surviving we shouldn't have to feel like we need to survive like it's war. No way in all hell should a child have to carry such a heavy feeling every time their dropped off at school. You shouldn't have to think "Is this the last goodbye" when seeing your loved one off. It shouldn't be the reality here in the U.S. But, half our politicians believe money is bigger and better than human life and guns have more rights than a women. It's an assbackwards way of thinking and you just get angrier over time not sadder.
I still don't get why do most Americans still believe that extending the access to guns is a good solution
Its not about guns. Its about the state of society that makes people do bad things. The person behind the gun is the problem not the gun.
Criminals will find a way even if they cannot legally purchase.
They're in denial until it happens to one of their own loved ones. Stubborn country, will only continue to get worse
@@lordfezerellii Ya but most Criminals wont go on a shooting spree and kill innocent people, only the psycos do that. Here in my Country they don't allow people to buy guns and as long as I know there hasn't been a killing spree like in the US.
@@MVGAactual You conveniently left out the “well regulated militia” part. As always.
@@MVGAactual and that right is trumped by a child's right to life.
There is really in all reality no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy an assault rifle, they should be limited to shotguns or 22lr,and or they can't buy ammo a parent or guardian would have to purchase that for them there's simple solutions that can be done
18 yo is a grown adult, tf you mean parents?
@@lillemy5062 18 year old wants assault weapons? Lucky for them, they're in the perfect age bracket to join the military. They can play with all the guns they'd like then.
@@saintlex32 that's the primary reason they'll never raise the age for gun ownership as it would promote questions about raising the age to enter military service. The last thing they want is less people, predominantly of a lower socioeconomic status, joining the military.
@@Briggsian I don't buy that. Exceptions can be made for 18 year old ACTIVE military personnel. I wish it were just the age requirement that was the problem though. Unfortunately, there's more that needs to change.
@Mind Blown I’m not sure if you’re trying to clown me or something, but that’s not even close to what I said.
If you take guns away completely there would be complete utter chaos? Is the rest of the world that has no guns in the streets in utter chaos?
What we need is change not just prayers and condolences to the poor victims and parents. We need change!
Oh you mean revolution....
You’d think with school shootings officially being “a thing” for the first generation in human history, that along with changing gun laws, people would start talking about how to teach their kids to be compassionate towards one another, and not bully, and make fun of someone who’s different, or less fortunate, or whatever. Because isn’t THAT also the case for like everyone of these sad events? Compassion breeds compassion- hate breeds hate. Changing gun laws is a convenient attempt to fix a thing that is FAR more complex, and that runs deep throughout society. I’m talking about the dismal levels of compassion and empathy that people have for one another. Put a gun in the hands of a compassionate and empathetic child - is he/she/they going to shoot someone with it? Never. Put a poor, neglected, fuckin weird child in a school full of compassionate and empathetic kids, is that kid ever going to WANT to shoot the kids that treated him like a human being?Never. Guns don’t kill all by themselves. More gun control would be the perfect solution if the gun was rolling over to the school all by itself and discharging into students. HATE is what kills. Hate is what pulls the trigger. And if one hateful kid wants do THAT, you don’t think they can’t find a gun illegally, if you won’t sell him one with a permit? Fix the state of compassion and empathy in people & our kids, and you will never need to speak of gun control again, and you will never need to hear of another school tragedy again. Mark me.
Well said. It's not all about guns, it's about the level of safety as well if a bad situation happens. There should be police asap with some kind of button like the one banks have. As well as security guards on duty with radio walkie talkies. Simple things like that make a difference.
Why do people always say “ I’m not talking about taking peoples guns away”? I’M talking about taking peoples guns away! No need for a military weapon, hand gun is the best you can get and life sentence for altering it.
I agree. No need for anyone, especially an 18 year old, to be able to purchase an AR-15
Come and take it yourself then, don't send anyone else to die for you.