The Rise of the Crisis Actor Conspiracy Movement
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- čas přidán 11. 04. 2018
- Over the past 10 years, a growing online community of conspiracy theorists and hoaxers known as “truthers” has come to question the official narratives behind every mass shooting that is heavily covered by the media. A common thread in these theories is the government’s role in staging the tragedy with the help of mainstream news, in order to manipulate the general population. In this continuously recycled narrative, the death and destruction of the tragic event is faked, and victims and their families are “crisis actors,” who are performing a role in order to elicit sympathy that can then be used to advocate for new gun laws, or anti-terror surveillance that restricts Americans’ freedom. The commitment to these narratives has escalated to the point where victims are frequently harassed, mocked, and even threatened in retaliation for their supposed deception.
We meet some of the proponents of false flag theories, including Side Thorn, a conspiracy theorist in Texas who has been confronting survivors of the Sutherland Springs mass shooting, as well as Tony Mead, administrator of the largest Facebook community dedicated to False Flag narratives, and Wolfgang Halbig, a former school administrator who made a name for himself with the claim that no one died at the Sandy Hook shooting. We also talk to people targeted by hoax theories, like Lenny Pozner whose son Noah was killed in the Sandy Hook shooting, David Hogg, who was accused of being a “crisis actor” for his calls for gun control after the mass shooting at his high school in Parkland, Florida, and Frank Pomeroy, whose daughter was killed in the Sutherland Springs shooting.
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The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. --
Charles Bukowski
Yeah I don’t know about that now. There’s more intelligent people out there speaking their mind but the overall majority of people are fucking stupid and ignorant
George Carlin said it best
Think of how stupid the average person is,and realise half of them are stupider than that
posting this quote on fb right now, work
Another problem is how Common Sense is FAR from common nowadays.
@@johndoa4839 haha
That pastor's ability to not destroy that man is the most incredible restraint I've ever seen
As soon as he sed where is she about the dead girl I would have went to jail my heart bleeds for these families my kids Are my life
Well if he's telling the truth, he knows he's sick.
A true man of god.
facts yo ....insane
@@slowanddeliberate6893 You must have extremely poor critical thinking skills
The conundrum is they will say “they will try to make us look crazy” then proceed to act completely crazy
They then ignore the basics of grounding concepts in reality.
Which is delusional behavior.
The problem is when you give them more attention they never go away
You know your dealing with a gem when they say “citizens arrest”
A citizens arrest against an officer 😂
@@BlackGirlLovesAnime6 according to the enmulmaents clause in the constitution I have the right to arrest you!!
People get citizen arrest all messed up. It's when cops really don't have evidence, but onlookers or citizens saw the crime, they would have to put them under citizens arrest for the cops to legally detain them
Sovereign nonsense again.
Reminds me of an episode of Andy Griffith when Gomer tries to arrest the deputy Barney Fife. "Citizen's Arrest!" 🫠
Wow. If my son died and this guy came up to me... I’d be in jail for a long long long time, and I’d never apologize.
@@tiffanyclark-grove1989 where do you creatures live so I know to never go there?
@@tiffanyclark-grove1989 ‘iN yOUr SiMplE WhItEbrEAd COnsTrUcT” Jesus you guys are so unoriginal 🙄
My sister in law believes in this conspiracy theory, which just blows my mind. If the US had stricter gun laws perhaps mass shootings wouldn’t happen as frequently.
Seriously! Makes my stomach crawl!
Yea they are actors get over it
17:28 "I don't question myself" Yeah my dude that's the problem. Questioning yourself is vital for rational thinking.
Beat comment thank you
These people couldn't make it through really basic public education. They don't have the tools for self-reflection and logic, they literally just repeat the things they read on troll sites and echo chambers. They use projection constantly to hide behind their insecurities about their mental deficiencies and loser lifestyle. They don't want to listen to reason or truth, they want to live in a delusional fantasyland becasue it's the only place they feel some control over.
There is no helping these people other than removing them from society (no job, no federal security/assistance, no friends, no family). If you know anyone like this, cut them out of your life permanently.
I do one bad thing in a video game and I feel like a monster. How difficult is it to just think?
Maybe you're just trying to dodge the fact that they're dying because you won't put security guards in the schools but will security guard cocaine dens AKA clubs.
@@jennifersuzannebk5149 Uvalde
The person attacking the parents who lost their children sure turn into “snowflakes” when the police show up and arrest
They were being pretty gentle with him by any comparison and he still bitched.
Racist
@@RogerThat1637yup all they did was cuff him, very gently like u said, n big bully bad ass sure turned into a big pussy real quick.
They are also an extra special kind of clueless moron.
Update for anyone watching now: Wolfgang Halbig, 73, was arrested Monday on a charge that he was in unlawful possession of another person’s identification, according to the Lake County Sheriff's Office.
He was calling and harassing families all night and in person.
Great news!! 🇺🇸👏🏼
Was he holding a friends Id??? 73 EL .
The guy and mother arrested , fir trespassing but if you listen they and the pastor were to meet. so how is it trespassing
and that has nothing to do with the truth its just something to try and make him stop I hope he never does
God Bless Wolfgang
His mugshot is equally as hilarious. Dude has some obvious mental issues just looking at it.
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"I don't question my morality" is the literal definition of an amoral person.
Hoax
@@Kat.Evangeline Not a hoax
@@1994Godsman You lie
@@sarahkanto1883 No, I don't
@@1994Godsman We don't believe you and could care less anymore. This is nothing but gun grabbing attempts from commies,socialists and fascists
The United States is like a real life dystopian society. It's weird to see as an outsider and it used to be entertaining. Now it's just getting scary to be honest. Wish you all the best.
TheMusicGuard thank you. Being gaslighted daily really does make reality in America a fleeting concept. Very bizzare time to live in American and be a free thinker
Its not the country thats bad. Please do not let a handful of people out of 330 million people in the USA ruin your image of the great country
Aqualistic I think you misinterpreted what he said. I think it was a general statement about the current situation the USA is in and the direction it is going right now. Not just about those conspiracy theorists. I mean hell, the US-president itself spurts out conspiracy theories. Sure, there are quite alot of good people in the US, but there are so many horrible people and so much is going wrong. It's quite sad and I hope the USA as a nation will finally get to its senses after/while Trump. Although I got little hope for that.
Every country on this planet has a certain percentage of the population that is bat shit crazy. We are a country of 300 million people and you are judging us on the .0000001% that are the loudest, craziest, and unfortunately get the most attention from media. I would never assume anything about a western country if I saw a video online of someone insane from there. All conspiracy theorists are riding a thin line. They are sane enough to have a job and pay the bill, but they are still bat shit crazy. The UK is the size of Minnesota, but its population is extremely dense compared and most people live in suburban type areas heavily populated. WE have 50 states and the UK is only the size of a mid size state. We have a very large rural population in the states they still grow up in a rural area. We grow up respecting and owning guns for hunting. At the age of 5 my father started teaching me safety for firearms and how to clean and maintain them. He then started taking me with him when he went hunting to let me observe how to carry the firearm safely, how to climb and bring it up safely after, and then finally several months of actually how to fire the gun safely and where to point and not point. I respect everyone's right to do what they want, be with who them want and not have to worry about things in their life changing because of the views and beliefs of others. Live and let live. I personally do not care much about or own a pistol or tactical style semi auto weapons. I do think people have the right to own them though. I own a semi auto hunting rifle that will shoot just as fast as the kind in the news people want to ban. I think most people that are not gun owners do not even know this. This is why we laugh at gun laws aimed at those types of weapons. There would still be semi auto rifles the only difference would be they have a wood stock and do not look like a military weapon. Gun laws would only affect people who follow the law. This is the reason why people get so mad that own guns. Mentally ill people and psychopaths do not follow the law. Even if you banned guns outright and magically collected them all it would not change anything, but the weapon used to do mass killings. They would get in a truck and run a crowd down, build a bomb, use a knife, or any other way they could to kill someone. I used to be a lefty and somewhat lib in the Bush years, but I never understood their take on guns. That is until I finally had so many tell me their true feelings. They know gun laws will not stop mass killing. At least most of them do. Their goal is to get the ball rolling to get more and more gun laws until they are completely banned. They hate the right and they can not stand gun owners and gun culture. Also, they want to demoralize gun owners because Trump was elected now. You can not tell half the country they are going to be treated like children and have their rights taken away because of things that can not be controlled. We should be crying for better mental health care. It is none existent in our country now and every mass shooter has shown countless red flags for years before they killed anyone. The majority of the time the police were notified the person was unstable and nothing was done. IN Florida the cops were called in the kid over 40 times and he told everyone what he was going to do. Elliott Rodgers made video after video showing he was very sick and wanted to kill people. The police went to his house after being told he was dangerous and talked to him for a few mins and then left. The best example of our none existent health care system is Charlie Zelenoff. He was hundreds of videos on him on CZcams right now. He is mentally unstable and attacks people in gyms everyday. This person should be in a mental home or watched 24/7 because he could become a mass shooter. Instead he is ignored and laughed at as just some weird guy. Chicago is a very strict gun area and because of the criminals know the people that follow the law mostly don't have guns because this makes this city one of the worst. THey kill as many people or more in one year compared to every mass shooter ever in the history of our country there. If that isn't a giant red flag I dunno what is. Using kids as a token to get gun laws is very low too.
John Tate read the first 2 sentences. Agreed. Didn't read the rest though. That's what gets ratings on TV and makes the most money. That's capitalism for you.
These people are beyond help and recovery. They’ve invested too much time and energy into these delusions. It is full-blown psychosis now, and they have a really tough road ahead of them.
You don't say?
the thing with conspiracies is that no matter how much overwhelming evidence you show against them, they will find a way to deny it. it's never worth debating a conspiracy theorist.
Never.
Like a forever trumper , doesn’t matter what he does , they’ll never consider he’s a bad person or a criminal. The phone call to the Georgia governor asking him to find 11,780 more votes ? They just describe it in it most basic for and say “ so it’s illegal to make a phone call now ?”. When any sane thinking person knows it’s not the phone call itself, but the content of the call that shows election manipulation/ fraud. Stormy Daniels ? “ so it’s illegal to pay someone some money after you’ve spent an afternoon with them ?” It’s hilarious 😂
Spot on
Goes the other way too.
No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”
- William Blum
Some people just aren't happy until they've made everybody miserable.
Writer Jesse Walker actually came up with list of five different types of conspiracy theories and their rationales, its pretty interesting czcams.com/video/3s7wjy5Z99w/video.html
I believe it's part of why there's the saying "misery loves company"
@@HeadFunny appreciate the info, but this probably isn’t the place to be posting links to your “comedy” videos
When I was locked up we had a saying that misery loves company...
@@HeadFunny THIS IS NOT A LINK TO WHAT YOU HINT IT'S A LINK TO. It's like rickrolling but for your own profit, and I don't like being tricked, so I DID NOT WATCH YOUR VIDEO.
The level of delusion required to spray vitriol into the face of someone who's lost a loved one is just sickening to me
Yeah
He didn't look as if he lost a kid to me ....
@@Twopointzero00 get out more. Speak to people. Make some friends. Exercise. Eat right.
@@Twopointzero00 everyone deals with grief differently, their’s no inherent telltale difference between someone who’s lost someone and someone who hasn’t. The fact that you said this shows that your concept of loss and bereavement is most likely informed more so by media portrayals, rather than real life experience.
They still refuse to take the polygraph he must be lying
I became nauseous while watching this video and it happened almost immediately. It was so upsetting that I could not finish it.
So how do you know if it's fake or not how do you know if it's true or not how do we know these days when they can put stuff on video and say anything they want and you never know you're watching some stuff that's just made up off of computers and AI
Oh god… here’s another one^^
@@sydneyrose9185 you are too far gone. if it is on the tv it must be real , eh ?
@conspiracycorner2334 oh boy just shut the hell up.....
How can that horrible woman stand there and deface a banner that was put there to proclaim love and support, and her husband stand there cussing out a victim that lost his own daughter and half his congregation and call him vile names? 💔😢
Those people are not human! At least that awful facebook page one of the other cruel monsters was bragging about has been removed. How do those kind of monsters live with themselves?
There's a difference between being a reasonable skeptic and being an offensive menace.
Bingo! Same difference between having an open mind...and having such an open mind that your brain falls out and gets lost.
Mr. & Mrs Smith Purely by chance, I happened to be at the Twin Towers site late at night/early in the morning before the 9/11 attacks. All of the activity that would have been necessitated by the conspiracy theory scenarios was simply not there. It was absolutely silent, dark, peaceful...and totally, utterly deserted. No workmen, no vans, no nothing.
The only reason I can think of for why anyone would or could claim that there must have been workers there preparing, is that it usually WAS so deserted there at night that there’s only a very few people who can truthfully say what they saw, and any possible security footage proving that I or anyone else was there was destroyed along with everything else.
But maybe the most striking thing for me is the cruelty. Even if I were 97% sure that some horrific tragedy was a hoax, the mere knowledge that there was still even a 3% chance that my “speaking the truth” would mean I was deliberately causing such cruel anguish and agony to victims and survivors...I don’t think I could go through with it. Heck, even if the ratio was 99%:1%, I would still shy away. (Not to mention, of course, that if I DID ever find myself absolutely convinced that I was seeing “evidence” of some unspeakably huge, expensive, nefarious, insidious, conspiracy, while the vast majority of the public and anyone who had anything to do with the subject claims I’m nuts for thinking it exists...one of my very first instincts would probably be to get myself a full psychiatric and neurological evaluation, in case I might actually be crazy! The hubris and chutzpah of one person, or a few people, with no actual connection to an event or subject matter, insisting that only THEY have the smarts and ability to discern what nobody else has suspected? I can’t wrap my head around it.)
Mr. & Mrs Smith Exactly! That gets to me, as well: I mean, I like to think of myself as intelligent, reasonably perceptive and decently educated. But, in spite of (or maybe, because of) that, if I ever found myself thinking that literally every expert and scholar and professional in a given field was wrong, and I somehow managed to be the only one to see The Truth...well, then I’d probably figure that I had missed something important and go back to the drawing board or just defer to those others. For this reason, I think that “crank magnetism” (the willingness to believe multiple, complex and even contradictory conspiracy theories) almost by necessity requires a pathological level of malignant narcissism, in addition to the more obvious delusional and psychotic tendencies.
I totally agree that there’s a big step between knowing a truth, or “The Truth,” and wanting to share that knowledge, whistleblower-style, with elected officials, the media, etc. in an effort to enact positive change or seek justice...and deciding that only you have been blessed with this special knowledge, which is so unimaginably important that the fate of the very world rests upon you convincing humanity that you’re right, and therefore no possible evidence could ever sway you from absolute devotion to that Truth, or even lead you to question aspects of it or reevaluate it if new evidence should appear. The former might even be noble, depending on the circumstance...but the latter is the definition of dangerously fanatical zealotry. And if history has shown us anything, it’s that zealots value their “truth” above any and everything; above kindness, compassion, common decency, and humanity. Zealots live in a narcissistic solipsism, in which all that matters is them: their truth, their beliefs, their feelings and emotions, their lives...nobody else matters to them, since in their reality we’re all just basically person-shaped cardboard cutouts, to be grouped by them into categories such as, “gullible sheeple,” “evil elites,” “sleeper agents,” “useful idiots,” “crisis actors,” “fake victims,” etc. They don’t feel any need to treat other humans humanely, because in essence they don’t see anyone else besides themselves (and sometimes other conspiracy nuts) as truly being “real.”
Eric Bowman I have no doubt whatsoever that there are conspiracy theories based in fact. But I also have no doubt that plenty of them are misinformation, disinformation and/or the products of disordered minds. The problem is telling the difference while it still matters.
@Mr. & Mrs Smith Even more impossible .. is getting criminals to start checking gun licenses and doing background checks before they will sell their illegal guns. Insanity is believing that they will.
I cannot believe this dude can stand in front of a father who's daughter is dead and tell him he's lying. So sickening
Why should he believe him?
@@FuzzyWalrus123 why would he like about something like that?
Yeah well that guy did nothing. Says alot.
@@ariandyluna3835 why do people lie about anything? Because they want to. So can you answer the question or not?
@@FuzzyWalrus123 Are you really going to show your daughter's death certificate and a lot of sensitive data to a megalomaniac who stalks you and is clearly out of his mind?
"Theres no evidence"
Then, they ignore all the evidence...
perfect example of how the too much internet can mess you up
"i'm in fb groups with likeminded people" okay so it's totally credible then
He may as well have said he chooses an echo chamber.
@@thethrowawaythatstayed7055
Exactly what I was thinking.
But than again, the same can be said of most people who are online these days.
Almost everyone is in an echo chamber, and they only look at the evidence that reinforces their confirmation bias.
Trans looking dude was totally credible 🤘😝🤘
Insane
Lol “fb groups groups with likeminded people” aka the woodworks that these insects come crawling out of
This is one of the most frustrating things that Ive seen in a long time.
Who has the time to cuss out a grieving parent....
just wait until you read the comments
It's infuriating to think these idiots could sink so low.
It's much more vast and deeper than that... They think trump was anointed by God and is fighting demons...
You're frustrated by this but not lockdowns or forced vaccines? The gov loves people like you
Just when you think you have seen the worst of people ... Words fail me.
"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”
- William Blum
Not true
@@GeorgeWashington283 very true
@morganophelia5963 proof please....
“This child has no legacy” “nobody cares about this kid”. Oh I wish he would try me.
I mean it's kinda true tho if you really think about it. Not taking his side just being realistic
It is true nobody cares except the family. It's a flash in the pan like he said. That happened years ago and people die everyday that's the point. I don't even matter when I die just another person dead. That's the point he's making not in a way where I am saying your kid doesn't matter just the overall bug picture.
Ok keyboard warrior 🙄🤣
@@crybabygbc1026 and poor “cry baby”. Shouldn’t have taken so many pills. He’s just another dead person though. Oh well
@@YoMama9021 you are correct he's just another dead person. But he actually left behind a legacy via music so can't really compare in that respect. If I die nobody will remember me so that's just the way it goes. Don't get all in your feelings
How do we know that ALL this people in this doc aren't payed actors. I'm staring to think I'm a paid actor lol
you're fired!
@@TheHomeloanking David Hogg isn't an actor
@@1994Godsman bahahaha
RETARDED CRISIS ACTORS ARE PUT INTO THE STORY BY DESIGN!
Do you understand?
There are literally dozens of unreal examples, starting with laughing Robbie Parker, of retarded crisis actors inserted into the story ON PURPOSE, so that people like me, who can actually _see_ the fraud of this world, chase it around for years and years.
It’s pissed on breadcrumbs for us to chase around.
Ya dig?
You can tell all these people are paid actors.
Guy saying his conspiracy thoughts are obsessive, and take away his ability to be a good parent -- he is so close to the point and juuuuust can't see it
the point is once you see it you cannot unsee it ever again
it's not possible to walk away from the truth
He's not smart enough to realize that he has a choice.....he's not a hero and serves no good earthly purpose. Choosing to neglect his family for this insane "cause" is really missing the mark.
As someone who grew up with a mentally unstable parent. These hoax people bring back memories of the chaos.
If my daughter was lost in something as horrible as a mass shooting and some wack job yelled at me that I’m lying I don’t think I would have the ability to not completely end that person. Props to that pastor for remaining cool, although he’s a pastor so probably would be a bigger surprise if he wasn’t cool about it.
Props yes??? And I ask if you wouldn’t you also feel and externally subconsciously express your emotions and feelings with tears or turning red, the basic reactions a human experiences. That pure lack of emotion at the very end seems so far from what I have experienced in the trauma I have endured….military trauma doesn’t even begin to look like this so what is going on with these people?
I think it’s a sign he’s a good pastor and good person. He knows not to match his energy because then they’re both just yelling.
Exactly these people are so insensitive it’s disgusting
"I don't think I would have the ability to not completely end that person."
I understand where you're coming from. ironically, that's the same mindset that drives shootings... unchecked rage at having something we can't live without taken away (self respect, peace - not being bullied daily at school and behind closed doors at home, the ability to shine vs being a doormat the loser you're expected to be...or a daughter).
❤️🩹 🫂
@@rossmcdoogle7443 indeed?🤔
The guy that got arrested was allowed to run his mouth but as soon as his wife did he told her to calm down and be quiet lol
And your point?...
The Dark Portal her point is he’s a Douche bag
@@Markos581973 creepy
That’s exactly what I thought 💭??
“Hey, tone. It. Down.”
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
I hate when men try to control there gf or spouce they are human beings with free will they will do as they please just respect there decions
That dude calling the victims and starting arguments with them. He needs to be mule kicked back into place.
Exactly!
🤖Hello. Harlen. Good. To. See. You. Again.🤖
@@enwhy7810
Stephanie Gavin: "Hey Sage and Abigail, I was looking at CZcams and I came across this video! Check it out!"
(As Stephanie shows Sage and Abigail the video of Roku Kun's Boris and Doris Anderson getting embarrassed and humiliated, they laugh at it together)
Abigail: "Hey, that's Roku Kun's Boris and Doris Anderson throwing a fit!"
Sage: "I know! They deserve that for abusing their son!"
Abigail: "I agree Sage! This video is so funny!"
What a waste of an American citizenship 😢😢
As a father of a deceased 2 year old, I hold on to my son Cooper by saying, “I can’t raise him, but I can raise his legacy.” So to hear that Facebook conspiracy theorist say that kid has no legacy, nobody cares about him, and his death was just a flash in the pan? Well, that makes me want to paint his face all over town.
Condolences for your loss.
So sorry Mike, as a grandparent to a 2 year that breaks my heart even thinking about it. 💔
I agree that comment was disgusting... He has abandoned his own children to harass grieving parents. 🤮
Im so sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss my friend 🙏🏼
"I don't question my morality. I've always been a good person." There's the problem.
It's so funny cause then he goes on to admit on neglecting his own child......
It is a good and healthy thing to stop what you are doing and seriously ask
"Are we the baddies?"
Trippy Hippy Crew facts
concordat everyone should understand that this helps people and society evolve
also very un-christian like too.
Wait a second... the photo of a sandy hook child somehow ended up in a memorial for pakistan victims years later??
Yeah I don't quite understand how that could happen.
@@dianedeck "I don't understand, therefore it MUST be a conspiracy" - literally ever conspiracy theorist ever. It's time for evolution to weaken human pattern recognition. It's a menace to society.
@@bdarecords_ these people are flakes I know but tell me how that childs picture wound up there as one of the ones in Pakistan? There is something wrong if my childs picture shows up on the other side of the world as a slaughtered victim. Open your eyes stop following the media propaganda. Think for yourself.
Yeah, cause grieving Arab mothers stand in solidarity with Connecticut CIA/FBI stooges! Hint: They don't.
Ummm Pakistani people are not Arabs.
Thank you for this video. I have been trying to figure out what makes these people act the way they do. I did have it figured out that they only listen to news that tells them all of these crazy things. I have also known that there were some people who were mentally ill but this showed me that most of these people are mentally ill.
If you notice, they don’t have a single piece of evidence. Their entire stance is based on “I haven’t seen it so it must not be true.”
And then when someone offers to show them evidence, they come to a conclusion as to why it’s fabricated.
They’re all delusional grasping for a need to feel important and this is the only thing they have. The ability to be absolute trash.
Someone needs to present the evidence and then sue this dude when he refuses pay $100k. An open offer like that is legally enforceable.
@@rileybeemusic they're extremely sick people is what it is.
Where is the evidence?
Sort of like Flat Earthers!
by these people’s logic how do you know that anything is real?
How do I know penises are real? For all we know, men could be reptilian SHAPE-SHIFTERS.......
good question
We are not witnessing the death of truth. We are witnessing the death of trust.
This comment doesn’t exist
I mean I know the whole world is a simulation but they take it to a whole other level. lol
There's nothing scarier than dealing with a person that believes their own lies
"His [dead] child has no legacy. Nobody cares about this kid!"
Also him: "I'm a good person."
This is gonna be a South Park episode
The US right now IS a South Park episode. This was actually a problem that the South Park creators had last year. How do you satirize Trump and the general state of the right? Because you really can't. They're already satire of themselves and completely and utterly ridiculous.
The guy and his wife will certainly be character 😂
jackskellingtonsora Both Matt and Trey are republicans.
Ehhhhhhh i'd say libertarian
Stratosfear the God They're definitely libertarians. They're very on the fence about most things. To the point where both sides believed that they won from South Park episodes. Of course they don't like Trump though. Because he's an insane lying idiot.
Can we all agree that if this dude ever gets killed in a shooting then we’ll all say that his life and death in particular was a false flag?
"2 suspects have been arrested, 1 suspect has been arrested. There was 1 suspect that took his own life, forget about the video footage that was taken of us arresting the suspect and walking him out of the woods" THATS why everyone thinks it's a hoax because it is. Kids might've lost their lives but it wasn't the kid they said it was. It was the US government hired shooters. If it even happened in the first place
I love the sentiment. But nah...we don't sink to that level. That's what seperates us.
@@prisonmike4971 be funny if his fellow conspiracy loons think he's a crisis actor
no
Frank definitely should declare it a false flag.
This side thorn dude might actually be the most unhinged human being I've ever seen.
R.i.p to the victims.
The blacked out guy mentioned 25 percent of people are easily convinced of things especially if its told to them by someone they respect. I think that number is much higher because people blindly follow all sorts of crap especially if they hear it on the news or if it makes them fit in or feel accepted.
I don’t like People. I really don’t.
You're a people
Though not as extreme as his generalization of all of humanity your generation of an entire generation is also pretty dumb.
Howard Ackerman It wasn't a generalization of an entire generation. It was directed towards the 'Social Age' Generation. The most prescribed 'medicine' in the USA are antidepressants. Why?
Also his generalization of humanity is completely acceptable. It's completely possible that he hates all of humanity.
Michael Breaux If that was directed at me I can assure you I am not a leftist.
Daniel Dwan I have a feeling that your comment is a reflection of yourself. You try and infer that much about someone from 7 words? Who hurt you matey?
I can’t imagine losing a child and people screaming in my face that I’m a liar
I can’t either but I also can’t imagine people lying about a entire shooting and covering up massive details and that defiantly happened with hook . Some of the details just don’t match up . Every other shooting does ..
@@Kwildcat13 I feel so bad for your family that they have to be related to you. But hopefully they’ve all disowned you by now
@@Kwildcat13 don’t listen to them they gotta go learn gematria. They be the ones that think they know it all tho
That guy deserves a royal clock to his face for yelling at the pastor
Exactly !!! HE didn't lose anyone, that's why he was smirking
That guy needs to be in a padded cell.
The couple at the end looks like the type of people you would see in a Grand Theft Auto "Strangers and Freaks" mission.
He is like a one man Westboro Baptist Church.
madmaniaq
I thought the same too
Ohhh... you're so SPOT ON.
I was watching and thinking whom does this man reminds me of... And here's my answer. Maybe all of us, should let the internet a little behind.. it's beginning to let a lot of crazy people to be fixed on even more crazy things.
Im prob going to hell for laughing at this 😂😂😂
I needed that laugh after watching this sad film & reading the disrespectful nutter' s comments . Thank you 🤣
Imagine your son is killed. And then this guy comes over to you and calls you a liar and says your son never existed. I could not stay cool. He would have a problem. Physical.
@coy kehoe Your point being what? Its ok for school shootings to happen as long as the stats don't exceed that of the communist regime?
@coy kehoe Imagine a guy that calls himself coy kehoe and starts ranting on school shootings , gun control issues and doritos while he is answering on a comment made about a total different subject.
Imagine the meds he should be taken....
@coy kehoe I do not think in terms of political phrases. People that do that are trapped in their thinking process. Its a bit like liking your own comment after you pressed that enter button. Sounds familiar coy?
@coy kehoe Still stuck i see.....
I will explain why your thinking is off...not that you might listen but well....perhaps you will surprise me. And its a very easy sentence and explanation to make. Here it is....Lets make it two sentences...
You choose an narcissistic man born with a golden spoon up his arse as your hero president because the old politics has been a huge disappointment for you.
That is how idiots and dangerous people get to power.
@coy kehoe As i thought. You resort to insult. The easy way out is it not? I understand how your mind works. That at itself is an insult you will not understand.
Have a nice life.
I cannot comprehend how people spread lies like this to others. This is so disgusting and I get chills watching this. It’s awful. No one ever deserves to be treated like this who have lost someone to an awful event. I can’t even imagine how the victims loved ones feel. I just can’t. Of course no one wants to believe that many children passed away!!!! But IT HAPPENED. IT NEEFS TO STOP.
FALSE FLAGS DUDE
I think it's the same reason why other absurd conspiracies are propagated too. I think it gives them a sense of superiority by knowing some secret that others don't, it makes them important and relevant. This is no more absurd than flat earthers, it's just far more damaging and vile to the people involved.
Welcome to the internet the doom of earth, LIGHTING UP THE MIND OF THE PSCIZOPHRENIC, partitioning...
Said the person who is jabbed 6 times.
Sometimes when someone is giving an interview, they are asked to repeat or rephrase something for the sake of flow. Alex Jones is a damn clown. Im glad he got sued!
Imagine losing your son or a relative in one of these attacks, just to have someone come up and tell you that you are lying and making it all up. That must be distressing as hell.
Tobberz imagine being brainwashed to the point you think your child is dead af, but really it isn’t even your child. It’s really not hard to put something like this on. And honestly I don’t believe this shit one bit.
shut up. its not real
perry kilauano yea your right nothing bad happens ever...
Yea, I mean how in a country with over 300 million legal guns, and millions of Illegal guns, can a mass shooting happen. Beyond.
perry kilauano it's time for humans to die off lol
That preacher has balls. I've never seen more self control in my life.
Maybe they're all actors!? I'm just saying. Actors or no actors, I believe the events took place, the media is another story.
Yeah right!!! Lol. You cant get more of an unrealistic situation than that. They are incredibly unrealistic. Problem you have is a lot of disinformation idiots called "truthers" like that granny twit to discredit the truth with silly junk. The only emotion you will ever see from people are from the ones who weren't there.
Balls? You have none hun!
Yes he has so much self control, I don't think I'd be able to stay calm if I was him in that situation. Families and victims must be protected from these people. They have to live with grief every day, and now have to deal with this too, just awful
Or he can't be righteously indignant because he knows the guy is right and he is a traitor. Think the other way too. Now the truthers approach needs some fine tuning I will admit that.
Oddly enough, Tony was my first sponsor when I entered the AA rooms in Fort Lauderdale when I first tried to get sober a couple of years ago. Wild to see him in this. I learned a lot from him, namely what a good sponsor is supposed to be, which is why he wasn't mine for very long. Guy is shady.
I have never understood why people even try and debate or argue with crazy. I teach my kids a very simple lesson. The moment you spot crazy you need two things: 1 - Your eyes to spot the direction of crazy 2 - Your feet to move you in the opposite direction of crazy.
That pastor is the most patient man I have ever seen.
He has the patience of a saint.
Or a very rich one
@@SpiritualJew1 are you one of these harassers?
Yeah,think about that?
because hes paid to be. very very paid
"Your suffering isn't real, because if it was it would scare me." -These awful people.
That's what I was thinking.
These people can't handle the reality of such heinous atrocities, so they create these delusional beliefs as a coping mechanism. Unfortunately, their insane way of coping causes more suffering to the victim's families.
They are cowards that have insecurities about their lack of understanding and control of reality.
@@evolicious
Nailed it, and in a much more succinct manner than I did.
Blissful ignorance, they'd rather live in a world where kids arent being murdered monthly than one where they are.
Clearly a hoax.No proof of bullet
holes.The leftist didn't have an answer. ??
Funny they made a bullet hole in his house.
Just one. ?? But no holes in the church, 🤔🤔🤔🤔 No bodies,no death certs.And let's not forget David Hogshit. The worst crisis actor ever.I don't care for Alex Jones,but I'm always reminded on Dragnet, "Just the facts please" 🥺😉
There’s a special place in hell for people harassing grieving parents who mourn the loss of their children.
My 17 year old daughter passed away in December of 2021. Let anyone stand in my face and say “what daughter? You don’t have a daughter” will get a personal escort to her graveside where I will begin digging with my own hands to get her back, bc I wish all the time it isn’t true. This kind of confrontation would push me over the edge.
My respect to the pastor for being able to endure it.
how did she pass
I think it would push any parent over the edge or in tears or some type of emotion. I do think it's odd I didn't see that out of him. Not saying it's fake but that was strange to me
@Beckysinlondon God bless you. I'm so sorry for your loss. 😢
@@drewmoore365exactly. The guy showed no emotion....almost as if he didn't have a daughter that died
@wgsuperstar7730 yea he had more of a guilty/oh sh!+ I got caught look
holy shit that pastor has incredible patience and self-restraint
He's a Man of God.
Socrates said a good man can never be harmed because goodness is reward in and of itself, and a bad man is always being harmed because evil is it’s own punishment. I think this pastor understands that.
Horrible and disgusting he’s probably just used to it by now
The gospel he preaches suggets otherwise .
Gerg C Yeah, that pastor is just WOW, he's so collected and calm and even trying to speak normally with him. I think I'm a rather calm person. But if someone told me a loved family member didn't die and I was lying about them ever having existed and all the rest this guy said... I don't think I could keep myself from completely losing my shit. Meanwhile this grieving father isn't even shaking and just fidgeting with his hands a bit. I would be either shaking like crazy trying to not attack him or would have completely snapped.
My jaw literally dropped when that man said “no one cares about this kid” when referencing a child that died during the Sandy Hook massacre
I know. Absolutely terrible. I care, I always have. Thank the lord that page got taken down and I’m not sure where’s he’s at currently but I just hope he realizes how much hurt he’s causing in not only others lives- but his as well.
@@sofiamoreno9178 people like that rarely come to terms with the damage they do. Nor do they ever care!
@@sofiamoreno9178 I care too
@Clyde Wellington LMAOOOOO sure. Learn more about not basing your “facts” off of what you can’t see. And NEVER judge someone off of the media
@Clyde Wellington Ok Nutcase
Had that been one of my loved ones he wouldn’t have been running that mouth for very long!
Why is that guy shadowed out with his full name, job title and pictures of his son? 😂😂😂
Because they couldn't get the original crisis actor. He's a stand in
what would personally hurt the most wasn’t the fact that people would tell me my loved one didn’t die but that they didn’t exist..
That nimrod who interrupted the Super Bowl XLVIII press conference to spew 9/11 twoofer bullshit tried to do just that to Victoria Soto's sister.
I would fight all of them. I don't like to hurt anyone.. but these guys would make me so happy to punch them in the face.
“I don’t question myself”: that’s the problem.
He's a part of the cult that support Chump.
Words of wisdom
pssssst..... www.bitchute.com/video/AOAXAhR3002w/
PlasmaBurns Get some help before you hurt somebody.
Wisdom!
From Switzerland 🇨🇭 here.
What is going on in Amerika 🇺🇸
What is wrong with the world 🌎
Everyone is getting fooled at this point.
Take a step back folks. A real step back. Have a beer 🍺 , chill
I do not trust anybody who says: "I don't question my own morality. I've always been a good person."
“IM GONNA HAVE THOSE BODIES DUG UP!” Lmaooo bro relax....
I don't see that happening, I've never looked into it but imma assume theres a regulation in place so you can't just go around digging people up.
@@sm00gzbear Isn't that considered grave robbing?
@@nielsssg Pretty much. It can be done under a court order, but I'm pretty sure any judge will look at him and go "are you fucking kidding me? get out."
this is literally what i was thinking when i heard that like woah, chill
"Relax" is an understatement. "Seek medical attention" is more appropriate. This guy is properly delusional and needs help.
"One, I don't think you have *five* dollars."
oOOH THAT CLAPBACK
🤣
So sad that these families have to go through this. May all the victims rest in peace.
Isn't the narrative always that "this is a false flag to take our guns away" yet it keeps happening and no one's guns have been taken away. I don't get the logic.
If this guy told me he was going to dig up my kids grave, I would tell him to start digging his.
Yes give in to the temptation murder him put their bloods on your hands
How many people have to see the body? You could claim any witness was just another crisis actor.
You got me fuck up. I would never let anyone speak about my dead daughter like that. It would be a fucking fist fight instantly.
That's pretty selfish to have him dig two graves and you do none
How that guy didn't instantly throw hands when he told him you have no proof your daughter died I have no idea that's more self control than I would have had.
love how the truther is saying the pastor is attacking him while he is harassing him .... uh... that's not how this works...
The new world order pastor
Literally did the same thing with the cops. 🥴 What a dick.
A "Karen" move
I just came to this video from reading comments on a woman having a panic attack, a lot of people kept asking where her tears were and that she was fakingit. These deniers are the saddest people that we live among.
Prove Newtown is an actual town. I don’t mean a location, I mean an ACTUAL town and not a stage. The wiki doesn’t prove it and it clearly has mannequins on the sidewalk in the picture, which doesn’t help your argument, just saying maybe they should have called it NUKE-town...🤫
(Ya know? Cuz a the mannequins?)
Yes, they are sad, lonely and desperate. Fortunately, there are only a small handful of them left. They were laughed at and dismissed for a short while...until they were just dismissed and ignored altogether. Pay them no mind, they're of no consequence to anyone.
@@mickeywicked478 You hate Dora, Caillou, and Little Bill!
🤖HELLO. HARLEN. GOOD. TO. SEE. YOU. AGAIN.🤖
No proof newtown is even an actual town. Shutty and everyone ky
Totally happened! Totally Happened! Don't sue me for $900m but that kid was acting sus af. Of course he's not an actor and it's all real don't sue me bruh!
I like how they pointed out the guy doing an interview was wearing an earpiece, it’s like… yeah how else are they supposed to hear the person who’s in a studio in New York questioning them? Do you think there’s some magical thing in front of the camera that lets them hear and see the interviewer?
should have given them the ear piece so they could hear what was coming through lol
how about the fact he was in like 30 different interviews
@@BigDirtDawg Occam's razor. The news stations use the same earpiece.
So they sent him the ear piece in the mail and the camera and microphone so they could interview him outside, i see that makes sense ... seriously if your going to track him down outside why can't the interviewer just ask him questions.
They have SoundBeamers. An audio technology from Noveto System, an Israeli company, which beams audio directly into the Listener's skull.
I'm a very open minded person who loves to question things. I'm sure there are conspiracy theories that have some truth to them but now days some people seem to go overboard. Like to them almost everything is a conspiracy. Facts no longer matter. Its about believing what they WANT to believe.
This can be said about everything. They're oblivious to the truth and don't want to admit it.
It’s almost impossible to convince someone of something they don’t want to believe
Prometheus Jay And they're all Trump Supporters.
That's the power of the internet, people who think these things would never be able to reach each other if the internet didn't exist. And these ideas wouldn't be spread.
You're totally right. It's a mix of dogmatism and cognitive dissonance
The great selling point of conspiracy is, the stories are infinitely malleable!
As someone who has spent a lot of time learning about conspiracy theorists, silence may seem like it fuels them, talking to them fuels them more. NEVER talk to conspiracy theorists.
I beg to differ. At least with the ones that deny SH anyways. Quickest way to shut them up is to ask them to explain their theory. How the crimes, LE response, scene and criminal investigation were faked. It’s like instant silence. Besides the memes they got their ridiculously debunkable talking points from, they know zilch about the case. Try it sometime.
Imagine being so lacking in personal identity and purpose that you make it your job to go out and slander people suffering from loss.
people don't want to accept our reality, so they try to narrate their own version to minimize tragedy.
The fact that these psychos won’t even let these families try to move on and process their grief is disgusting
While I don’t believe in the “crisis actor” stuff…
It’s crazy to me that people wouldn’t think the government would do terrible things in the name of their agenda.
The whole issue with the theory that this is all to take away guns is that the government has nuclear weapons, tanks, giant bombs. The idea that a gun, even an AR-15, can fight government tyranny is ridiculous.
@@annawalsh1904 Government has only one purpose. To control. Sometimes they kill, other times they enslave. Either way has always bordered on inevitability.
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I feel so bad for that pastor dude, he was just keeping his cool
that was incredible to see his level of patience , I highly doubt id be able to compose myself like that if I had lost a child.
His composure was commendable for sure.
Kind of easy to do when nothing really happened. Duh.
Gurantee they paid him off to just laugh it off. He knows wtf happened
@@clippertonislander1478 your right my friend
For all the things I've seen on Vice over the years the poor pastor being attacked might be the most disturbing and hard to watch.
If that's the worst you've seen, then you probably haven't watched the Liberian cannibal warlord documentary for Vice. Now that's fucked up. If you get a chance you should really go watch it, it's amazing!
i feel you man, we can relate on another level. also that's why i think this hits so much maybe even more than the warlords. like this shit could happen to us. But i aint going to Liberia be sure.
fast cash, you are mental!
A respectable man of God does not use violence to prove a point. He didn't need to get belligerent because it's obvious that he knows the truth of what happened. Versus the maniac who screaming and threatening and harassing said Pastor. We know who the real liar is. Like a little kid being called out on their bullshit, he gets angry and starts screaming & throwing a tantrum fit.
@fast cash well said man couldn't have said it better myself. If someone killed my daughter and then accused me of lying about it for money. He wouldn't have walked away bc I would've shot him.
We are a victim of our environment and our perceptions. My heart goes out to these parents and surviving students. You guys are heroes.
The way to avoid anger with these people is to just not take them seriously and not care what they believe. I wouldn’t even engage with these people because I owe them nothing and don’t care if they think I’m lying.
Props to frank for keeping his cool and not beating the shit out of him.
They use that against him now. Saying that if he was real he would have ripped his head of. Being the bigger man doesn't exist in their logic.
@joe A new Associated Press-GfK poll shows that 77 percent of American adults believe angels are real. So that would make him a demon if you are within that 77 percent.
If any of my children were killed by a wack job, then this circus erupted, i would lose my shit.
I would dig up the grave myself and force them to watch.
Still had the DHS check uncashed in the office---
@@theofulk5636 you have no proof that there was any DHS check
In the 1990s I thought the internet would bring the world together and usher in a new era of human consciousness. It is just one of the many things I have been wrong about in my life. I also thought a reality show con man would never be president. Wrong again.
Yeah me too , social media is destroying community cohesion like never before , everybody hates everybody else & the mentally ill have a place where they can get together in herds & swap bullcrap . Never known a poison chalice quite like it really . My elderly parents are literally aghast at what's happening & what people are choosing to believe .
Just shows how messed up people really are.
Yep me to. I though the internet and social media would bring society together. Sharing of cultures, ideas, and thoughts....but nope. Its a cesspool of hatred and bile. The internet comes with to much responsibility for a species like us.
Usher
Peace up, A-Town down
Yeah! Okay (Usher, Usher, Usher)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
And yet here you all are, hating 🤷🏼♀️
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Saying "I don't wanna be another number" repetitively during a school school does seem like a weird thing to say. More than likely it rly happened but to me that girl was hamming up that talking point for the camera.
Does no one else find it weird the guy who was working on his car was able to identify the exact level of body armor the shooter was wearing?
no, some people are in to stuff like that....maybe he's ex-military or knows ex-military.
Not at all
"we go to confirm what we already know to be true" this is the basis of confirmation bais.
Bias is spelled bias.
@@krismitchell5496 thank you so much for your help I'm sure this guy just doesn't know how to spell and it's not that he misspelled it because he's typing on a cell phone you are doing the world a great service keep up the amazing work
@@Van420Dal Have you read my other comments?
@@krismitchell5496 I'm guessing you're quite the spell checker
Exactly
"I have the right to perform a citizens arrest on any cop that touches me!" What in the hell is this guy smoking that he thinks that he can arrest cops?
So, you're saying that cops can't be arrested? They're somehow above the law and get a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card when they're sworn in as cops?
@@YourLittleDeath Read my comment again...
@@Brando56894 That doesn't answer my question; at all.
@@YourLittleDeath I never said that cops can't be arrested, I'm just expressing audacity that this random dude thinks that he can peform a "citizen's arrest" on a cop. You clearly didn't get that though....
@@Brando56894 What this clown thinks or says he can do is arrest a cop pre-emptively if he thinks they've about to arrest or detain him or arrest them back as a retaliatory measure if they have. Anyone can arrest anyone. They just want to be sure of what they're doing because they could open themselves up to a whole lot of litigation. Someone can arrest a cop if they see them doing something wrong; the cop being off-duty would be the most typical scenario where that would happen. On-duty could invite a whole lot of trouble. Better in that situation to try and record what the cop is doing and forward the footage it to the appropriate agency.
How hard is it to research: grave sites, death certificates, talk to families etc
I feel like people dont understand that it was never actually a question of "did it happen, did people die?" It all happened, people really died. The question has always truthfully been, was it staged?
The psychos in this video are literally saying it didn’t happen, that people didn’t die.
18:22 when they approached the church to write on the sign he tells his wife “tone it down this time” within seconds he gets into a heated match with the pastor himself. Lmao
ROBERT USSERY (nutjob #1) likes to exert what little control/power on JODI MANN (nutjob #2).
They want to hide behind their moniker so it's important their real names are public.
White privilege at its finest. If Side Thorn was black he would have been gunned down by the police.
Was thinking the same thing.
He told her to calm down so that when the cops come he looks like the crazy outspoken one n she won't get arrested but we see that didn't work out
Joe Om Actually he said, "Tone it down". Not tone it down 'this time'. Regardless of his actions as a "hoax" believer" or not, that's a misquote.
"You're a demon Frank" this man is a cartoon character
Trevor Reynafarje -that man may have been an actor placed to deliberately portray truthers as nuts (like how controlled opposition Alex Jones acts outrageous seemingly on purpose). God forbid a truther comes across as calm, reasonable, logical, and fair. The MSM would hate that. So they always go out of their way to clown the conspiracy researcher archetype so the general public is programmed to automatically not take such people seriously.
If you're not onto the mind games the media and government play on us, that means you're inadvertently letting them manipulate your thoughts.
A Sinner Found another one. Get some help.
Lmao
A Sinner don’t you have anything better to do
Trevor Reynafarje yeahh he's trying so hard to be Jesse Ventura 😂 😂
Intelligent humans are a rarity, in this day and age.