Lyricist Reacts to Sabaton History - Firestorm - This was rough!
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- čas přidán 10. 11. 2022
- Welcome to JustTenMoreMinutes aka JTMM aka The Freakin 10!This was a hard video to go through after it was corrupted and see the images again. I may make some people angry with my comments, but when you learn about something like this it can trigger emotions. I am passionate about people being kind to another and it sickens me to see people killed senselessly no matter what side of the argument. Hope ya'll stick with me after this lol.
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I really appreciate your Sabaton reactions and the discussions here in the comments!
Here are some songs from Sabaton that are "lighter", less depressing or more uplifting:
Primo Victoria
The Last Battle
Swedish Pagans
The Art Of War
The Last Stand
The Ballad Of Bull
Panzerkampf
Light In The Black
Aces In Excile
Saboteurs
Resist And Bite
82nd All The Way
Race To The Sea
I so agree with you. First of all...they practiced for months to get the mix and amount of bombs to get the desired effect. Then they obliterated a whole city. If I remember correctly it wasn't just one city. Makes it hard to talk about heroic bombers, and that statement comply on both sides, both Allies and Germans.
Is mankind evolving? We used to have to look our enemy in the eye in order to the pull the trigger, nowadays it's easy to sit comfortably safe and unleash the wrath.
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Well if we don't remember history, if we let our governments erase or edit our history, it will repeat itself. Take a look at Europe today or in USA.
Yeah and being from the US where these wars were fought on foreign shores minus Pearl Harbor, it is hard to grasp the magnitude of these cities being wiped out. To see these images, specifically, the aerial shots and seeing so much devistation makes it difficult to say yay good job. I can get the strategy as someone mentioned in a previous post but heroic I just can't swallow that pill. As to your last sentence, I couldn't agree more. To see the few get the headlines over the many who just want a better tomorrow is causing us to wipe out history. We are doomed to repeat it down the road. How long? No clue but at this rate I truly believe it will be sooner than later.
Rise of evil is great song with dark lyrics
Hi, first time commenting on your reactions aldo I've been watching all off the Sabaton videos.
But then again Mia is already in every comment section :)
Just to add some info: Indy has a channel WW2 in real time in youtube. On that channel they have a miniseries entitled War against Humanity where Spartacus goes into detail about the war crimes of all nations in the conflict.
You might want to check out.
Be warned that the content is quite heavy.
Hug from Portugal
Hugs back my friend and there is always room for more comments. Yeah I may check it out after a week or so. It is heavily on my mind at the moment and need a break from it.
There are always room for more people in the community. Nice to meat you, and I'm looking forward to see your comments in the future.
@@miafranlund6982 Just kidding Mia. But I always say you must be the biggest Sabaton fan on CZcams. I see your comments in every reaction I come across
@@nunogarces1628 I don't know about being to biggest, but I have been a fan for a decade. Their Carolus Rex stills echo in my apartment from time to time and the new album has been played to death.🤣
Maybe steer clear of 'The Final Solution' for a little while 😉. It's a great song but obviously super super dark history. For more heroic tracks try The Last Battle, 82nd All The Way, Sabotaurs, The Ballad Of Bull, The Lost Batallion and White Death.
Keep away from inmate 4859 too
@@agpv1975 yes, good call.
I think is good to know that bad and awful decisions was made on both sides even if the knowledge is difficult to carry.
Yes agreed after I recorded this I had to reflect that this wasn't yesterday. This was decades ago and while mistakes have been made humanity has made strides
I understand the fury u hade because in war only the ppl suffers
I 100% agree with you. Yes, Germany bombed civilians, yes they were also using terrorbombing tactics with devices like the V-1 and V-2. But because someone smacks you in the face, doesn't mean you can stab him.
Hamburg and Dresden are the most famous examples of allied terrorbombing against civilians, but there are so many more. Cologne, Bonn, Aachen, Essen, Leipzig, Bremen, and so many more.
Düren is most likely the craziest example. On November 16th, 1944, a force of 474 british bombers took off with Düren in their sight. In a span of 21 minutes they dropped 5.477 bombs, and 148.980 incendiary bombs with a total weight of 2.751 tons, causing a firestorm. 3126 out of 22.000 people who still remained in the city at that time, died. God knows how many were injured.
97% of the entire city was leveled (there are pictures online, look it up).
As a comparison: Around 60% of Hiroshima were completely destroyed when Little Boy detonated. When Fat Man fell on Nagasaki, 22% were completely destroyed.
See all of those things are just unnecessary. I get strategies but just no! Ty for sharing this my friend!
Dresden was not against civilians. Did civilians get injured and or killed? Yes. Did they bomb Dresden for no reason? No. Dresden was had a lot of railroads and hundreds of german soldiers were going through Dresden every day. Also Dresden got bombed Amy times before they should’ve expected it.
War is War, but Dresden with no military targets there, or Hirosihma and Nagasaki. Some targets are only to low morale of the country. Thats sad....
And Harris in RAF its called "Bomber" or "Butcher" Harris, with that nickname you get the point... A really tough topic in this song.
100% I really struggled with this video moreso having to watch it a second time. Well said my friend!!!
BTW I don´t remeber exctly but either Hiroshima or Nagasaki (or maybe even both) was prime military target for it was home to major Japanese shipyard (that build among other Yamato and Musashi). It is Just that with Nuke you got area denial effect that meant even if shipyard itself was not destroyed it coud not be used anymore.
Dresden was a viable target
The war was almost over and it was a refuge center, why kill so many civilians at this point? We are supposed to be the "good guys" in that war.@@prussia4428
5:04 In immortal word of MD B. J. Pierce (M*A*S*H 4077): War is war. Hell is hell. And of the two war is worse for in hell only the guilty suffer.
Geveva convention and rules of war are upheld by threat reprisal for if other side disregards rules of war your side is free to return the favor. And argument can be made that some geneva convention clauses actualy create more suffering for civilians during war. (For example if city is under siege besieger must allow food conwoys to pass into city. But if anyone thinks that army under siege would go hungry and left all this food to civilians is so naive that I have some exelent property to sell them (just dont ask where and what).)
Agree to all of this!!
I don't think the Hamburg firebombing was intended to be better than the Germans it was a literal tit for tat attack. It doesn't make it right obviously but I don't think the commanders really cared at that point (yes I think the attacks where horrific and unnecessary but that's through a modern lense I like to think if I was there at the time I'd feel the same!)
Here comes a long and somewhat controversial view of this subject matter, but I hope that it provides more information about how these methods could be turned to:
The topic of firebombing and the use of nuclear weapons is a difficult topic to approach due to the many issues, experiences, and beliefs involved. Each event is horrific, and my initial desire is to condemn them all, but studying WWII makes me understand why people like Harris went the route that they did.
War is a terrible thing, but it can ultimately be boiled down to a numbers game. How can you use and lose the least amount of resources and soldiers while inflicting the most damage? Attacking military targets is obviously the most direct approach, but it is also the costliest. The loses on the eastern front showed why alternative methods of winning the war needed to be explored. Neither Germany nor Japan would surrender without massive casualties on all side.
In Germany, the first alternative would be weapons factories. The bombing of the V2 rockets facilities are one example. The issue was that the scientists and most of the workers survived and the program continued within weeks in a now unknown location. Next was factories deemed important to the war effort. Ball bearings were high on the list of vital parts which led to these factories being bombed. Germany made up for this deficit by importing the needed parts from neutral countries such as Sweden and Switzerland and stockpiling resources for periods when factories were out of commission. They also began working out of mines using slave labour. These facilities could not be destroyed due to their distance underground.
It seemed that the final option was to turn to bombing civilians as, ultimately, no ruling party can survive having the people turn against them. The Nazi party had done everything it could to shield the public from aspects of the war that did not serve the image they wanted to portray and those aspects that could not be hidden were altered to better serve the narrative they wanted the public to see. The German people were proud, and they were not going to give in unless they saw the horrifying truth of the war. Events like the bombing of Dresden were horrific, but for many of the people making the decisions there seemed little alternative if they didn’t want to lose even more soldiers than the already massive number that died in WWII.
Japan suffered even greater attacks, but the situation was very similar. If anything, the Japanese people were less likely to give in to any form of regular warfare. Obviously not everyone is the same and, but much of Japan’s history has involved the idea of death before dishonour. There were those who believed in this ideal, those who had no choice, and those who had been lied to but battles such as those on Saipan and Iwo Jima showed that most of the Japanese military would fight to the death and that many civilians would kill themselves before being ‘captured’ for fear of what might be done to them by US soldiers.
With all of that in mind, it is somewhat understandable why the US military made the decisions that it did. It was quite possible that most of the Japanese population and millions of US soldiers would die if something drastic was not done to show Japan the futility of continuing the war.
While it upsets me greatly to see the loss of life and damage caused by firebombing and nuclear weapons, I don’t really see any alternative that would have reduced the suffering and casualties of WWII. We need to do more to prevent the world from reaching that point as once a war as vicious and ideologically driven as WWII was begins, escalation and atrocities are unavoidable.
What angers me the most was the treatment of those under Arthur Harris’ command. If you want to blame and punish him for his actions, then I can understand doing so. He ordered his men to do terrible things, but to only honour the 55 thousand men who died flying on those bombing runs in 2012 because you don’t want to face what they did is far more shameful than anything that they were ordered to do during the war.
Yeah and that is t he double edge sword right. I don't think that your view is that controversial based on how you described it. It makes sense. Your last sentence was perfectly put! I appreciate the time you took to fill in some of the gaps!