Great comparison. As someone who has owned a TD-17 I can say without question the Simmons is worth the asking price. I paid $750 for a demo TD17 from GC. It was the base model that came with the cheaper cymbals which I couldn’t deal with. The pedal trigger was crap. I ended up buying the VH-10 hats and 15” ride. I also replaced the cheesy rack with an old Gibraltar. At the end of the day I’d spent another $500 bucks to make it ok. I also had to spend another $50 to buy a sound pack because the included sounds were garbage and difficult to adjust with the module. While the 1250 is cheap, it is nowhere near as cheesy as the Alesis kit. That said, it’s still an e kit with all the faults that e kits have. The most annoying for me is, no true crossstick ability. It is however the best low budget e kit available and the cymbals are really good.
@@pr9ve when you lay the stick on the snare and hit the rim with the stick. You hear this on a lot of slow songs. If you’re still confused by what I mean CZcams search cross stick
@@KeithronPowell I'm a drummer that uses a LOT of cross stick - rhumba's cha-cha's, ballads, etc. It is a royal PITA to have to cross your stick and play that click for 16 bars then swing the stick around to use the snare for the chorus. Can the rim be programmed to do that cross stick "click" (kinda sounds like claves). That would actually be a HUGE plus, because now I could play cross stick just by hitting the rim and NOT having to change stick position for the chorus!!!!! Your thoughts please!. Also are the Simmons cymbals dual zone or at least the ride? Thanks and great review
I just purchased the 1250 because i had the crimson II but it didn't work out the box so I thought lets try the 1250 this time.... anyway, about the wobbly rack... first of all you have to set up the rack and make exact measures on both sides down to the floor. This is tricky since after you set the drums on the rack then having to decide how the drums are adjusted to your body. This means you have to kind of make these tweaks and changes all at the same time until you get the drums setup to your liking then you make your final adjustments on the legs making sure each leg is set exactly (Front to Back) and then if everything is exact and all measurements are correct to the other legs your drums should not wobble. Mine is solid as a rock and does not wobble. One other thing i'm finding is every once in a while if Im striking the high hats and then hit the snare drum rim the high hats turn off completely whenever the snare rim is hit for that second and every time. Also i'm finding one of the crash symbols also cuts out during other hits on other drums. One other thing is, yes, the App. I don't have an iphone so this is limited in that area. I've only been playing for two weeks but I use to play over 30 years ago and then quit. I just now this month got back into it and made a couple of clips just for fun. You can see and hear the miss hits when the module cuts out or gets overloaded at certain times. Here's a couple of clips below and yes I know they are not exact drum covers but I like to add my own techniques and yes I know they are not perfect, far from it and sometimes i forget to go here or there to strike a drum but again I've only been playing for 13 days now so if you've been playing for many years now.... "Don't stop"! It's tough to go back where you left off. Sade, Paradise: czcams.com/video/nPQqVKnjvnE/video.html Funky Cold Medina: czcams.com/video/WhTnNzR4YJc/video.html
@@KeithronPowell Hey man thank you first of all. I appreciate it. I did download the software for the hihat problem but i was thinking maybe i got a bad DL. It's happened before with computer software so I think I'll try it again. Thanks again for the comp. Man it's tough getting back into it again after not drumming for so long.
Absolutely 💯 Great comparative review amigo. Previous percussionist coming back from a 20 year hiatus. I was Heavily focused on the "marching" side with a background in DCI. Self taught drumset and always played on acoustics. Electrics are wayyy out of my comfort zone and now that it's time to pass the sticks to my 7 year old, I found your review to aid in solidifying my decision. Customer service is always a huge factor for me when buying "anything" electronic. That wisdom has come with age. In other videos of yours involving the simmons you seem to have had great experience with theirs. Thanks for the info. Keep keeping that beat for us. Cheers 🍻 From TX
I wanted to give my brother the SD1250 but instead i ask what he wanted, and he wanted the Alesis one. I saw the up and down but, in the end, so long my brother is happy for what I got him. A major upgrade from his old set up.
Nice review!! Just want To let you know that the snare on the Alesis does not have 4 pickups or piezo. I think it's like their strike line witch has 4 foam cones on 1 piezo. If you have time open it, we will see!!
@@KeithronPowell I'd like to see the inside of the Alesis. I've already had to rebuild my Simmons snare because of the way the center pickup is mounted. It's been working well since the rebuild but I'd be interested in the ways the Alesis design differs.
Oh man... Wish I could have seen a video like that months ago, before I bought the Alesis Crimson II SE. HAHAHA Anyway, the second time I see a video on this channel and definitely deserved a subscription. Thanks, man!
KEY MOMENTS 2:23 - Symbols ??? Did you mean?......Cymbals !!! I've been thinking about getting the Simmons SD1250 insread of the Alesis. I do know that Simmons have been around longer than Alesis and probably the first makers of edrums. Thanks for this video, I'm going with the Simmons! 👊
Love your reviews. I am looking to replace my old ROland TD8 that I sold few yrs back. Narrowed my search to the Alesis Crimson IIse & SImmons SD1250. I've been to several GC stores, & like you said, 100% get steered to Alesis. Both sets have pros & cons. My use fior it is just a kit to play at home for fun. One thing I can't find is a review on the KAT ST300. Any plans to reivew that kit? Thanks & keep those videos coming!
Just read watched that drum and I have a few initial thoughts. For the money on esthetics I can see this set being compared to the SD1250 or the Crimson II. Less sounds… smaller pads… 1 less tom then the 1250. And the set up reminds me too much of a $500 set. Of course I haven’t played it but I think the pics of the suggestion for the module is way wrong! You can’t make any changes. The kick pad is interesting but I can’t find anything that lists the contents in the box. The one thing that I think is an immediate positive is the cymbal boom arms. I love those!!!!!
Excellent review! You definitely have me steered toward the Simmons kit. If I have one complaint, and I'm sure that I'm alone on this one, I would have preferred three 10" toms over two 8s and two 10s. I'm a beginner and the 8" toms feel very small to me. Otherwise, it seems like a steal!
I got mine for an even 2K. I picked it up from a kid it was selling it almost like new. I just had to drive and get it, and he threw in a high hat stand for free. It was a pretty much Alesis strike pro SE out of the box w HH stand for 2k even. Worth it.
Can we please hear the sounds? And please use the toms a lot. When you went over the sounds for the Simmons module ( in a past video) you did not play the toms.
The 1250 sounds are actually good and usable. You can basically build your own kit by selecting different drums from preset kits and then modify them further using the onboard effects. The Simmons 1250 does not sound like a toy whereas the Alesis does. To me anyway..
I keep hearing an electronic sound on the Alesis but I haven’t been able to record it to discuss it on camera. I’ve never heard that on the simmons. I have been struggling to see if I can figure out how to use the Alesis module to modify the sounds without using the directions, like I did on the Simmons but…. 😤 The UI is not as intuitive as the Simmons and I’m seeing other issues that I will be covering in the future.
I'd add that the Simmons sounds are a lot better than the Alesis sounds. The Alesis snare sounds do a lot of machine gunning where the Simmons sound more like real drums to me and the module has a lot more usable sounds.
Bit bias towards Simons expecially when you have Simons speakers in the background. Sponsored by Simons at all? I'd like to know how both kits sound. I reckon the Alesis would sound better.
Sponsored? Nope… let’s be clear. I review what is sent for that purpose. I’ve been sent product from Alesis and Simmons for review. I don’t pay anything. I have been sent the Alesis Crimson 2, Nitro Mesh and Max. And I didn’t pay a dime. I compared them to the simmons… I think Simmons gets overlooked all because people know the Alesis name. Now, those speakers were sent as review units as well. They make great looking props in the background and I set them up. If Alesis decides to send me some monitors for review…. Or maybe Roland… I’ll do a comparison and possible set them up in the background. Will you ask if I’m sponsored by them then? What about those PRESONUS E8 monitors? Did you see those? Am I sponsored by Presonus? Oh wait, I paid for those out of pocket?Now, as it relates to sound I’ve said 1000 times, sounds are subjective and I can fool anyone by tweaking any sound to make it amazing if I want to. I think Alesis has some great sounds but I think most are over saturated and don’t sound natural but 1) I can make it work and sound great 2) there’s more to the electric drum than just the sound. I think Alesis can be better if they make some other technical upgrades. But right now, Simmons is outshining them.
The problem is that you cant buy them in Eastern Europe. Seems like only in America you can orded Simmson drums. So you can buy only Alesis here in Europe.
Hey, I live in Europe and SIMMONS has absolutely no support here ! The SD1250 is not available here! And there never was an Expansion Kit for the SD1200 ! Can you pass this on please ? O. K. , I'm asking for too much ,I know .
I have done the research and the thing is that you dont need an App for the electronic drums, or blutooth You can connect any Aux blutooth adapter on the market and it will work. If you want to edit your drums with Alesis you can always use Ezdrummer or Addictive drums, Superior Drums or whatever Plugin you like over USB. Also what you can do with Alesis modul is to import all the Ezdrummer and other samples into your module and load them later standalone like you have plugin. You dont need big screen and all that because is usable perfectly already like this for years.
I think you’ve completely missed the point most likely you own an Alesis. Let me see if I can clarify this for you. 1) never said you “needed” and app. I said they should make one because wit can make life easier. 2) I also said that you can EQ the “native” sounds. 3) if you’re switching to EZDrummer you’ve already dismissed the native sounds. I’m speaking of the native sounds and ease of use. The fact that they charge all that money for a Gameboy screen is pathetic. 4) the fact that you need to buy a Bluetooth adapter to be able to use it that way is a shame at this price point. 4) you can also download all those plugin sounds to the simmons… that means simmons can do everything and more than the Alesis. 4) using ezdrummer and all those other drums is NOT editing the sounds that brining in sounds. 5) the idea that they’ve done it this way for years means it’s fine is not cool. It is not fine. It’s time for Alesis to admit they’re behind and catch up with the Guitar Center house brand.
@@KeithronPowell if i will ever connect Tablet to my Crimson 2 SE drums that are just arrive, that would be Windows tablet with VST-s on it. Why would i buy android tablet and use module sounds when i can buy Windows tablet and connect via USB and use Steven Slate, Addictive or Superior drums plugin and always have all that on the top of the module like you have on Simmons tablet on the top. Then you can use Blutooth for the headphones or whatever and directly play music from the Windows Tablet. That is way more Advanced to the Pro level then just connect Android tablet and tweek module sounds... There is so cheap Windows Tablets on the market today with the same price like android and SSD disk inside for fast samples load in plugins.
@@DugiDevetCarabolium 😂😂😂😂 I really wish you would read watch the entire video without being angry and pay close attention to what I actually said… I’ve stated in multiple videos that I record using either DAW sounds or EZDRUMMER. My point is that if your using the…. Wait for it…. MODULE SOUNDS….. did you catch that? When using the module sounds using a tablet/app makes it easier to edit those sounds…. I never said anything about using the app on the DAW or other software… Next..: the reason you can’t use a windows table is because…. Again you missed this…. SIMMONS DOES NOT MAKE AN APP FOR ANYTHING BUT THE iPhone or iPad… so your argument against android or apple was useless. 😂😂😂 If we are going to have a discussion we need to stay on track and not introduce things that can’t be used at all…
@@KeithronPowell Heeey i am not angry :S I really like your videos and respect what you are doing. I just making the point if i will ever put any tablet in the top of the module i will never buy Ipad, apple, iphone or android to use drum module sounds, if i will spend money on the expensive iPhone or iPad i will give my money in better direction and buy Windows Tablet for the same money. No one have at home like regular device ipad or iphone tablets, that is rare case to have, so you need to buy one, so if you buying those ultra expensive devices you can buy Windows Tablet, and guess what, you can record and edit and do so much more in Cubase, Protools etc programs or just run stand alone Ezdrummer, Steven Slate for quick plug and play. Buying ipad or iphone to be just on the module shitty sounds is just insane money spend. Thats why Alesis crimson 2 SE is better buy. Now i dont need to buy tablet to play with the module sounds, i need to buy Windows Tablet. You have all feature in the tablet, blutooth and all other, so you dont need that in the module at all. So what is the better buy? Simmons + Ipad/iphone or Alesis + Windows Tablet? That is the real question. I think is simple decision.
@@DugiDevetCarabolium 😂 Now I get it… you are failing to understand the purpose of the tablet. It is not to be used as a replacement for the module. When it comes to controlling the module and modifying the sounds the Simmons module is better than the Alesis and Yamaha. Now…. To make it even easier they’ve created an app. The app gives you even easier access to changing and editing sounds because your phone or tablet is larger. All of the functions that are on the module are on the app. Plus, you can do way more with the app… one example is you can pull up a song from your music library… iTunes for example… and then play that song in your AirPods or any other headset… while playing the drums at the same time…. All via Bluetooth. This means you don’t need external sound systems cables… etc., all you need is the phone or tablet. Oh, and you can use your phone to record sounds to add to the module… and you… listen the app has some really cool things it can do. Now for the point I keep making… You can’t use a tablet with Alesis at all. They don’t have Bluetooth or an app for the crimson II. You can’t add any type of tablet or phone to them as a controller. They don’t have Bluetooth capability until you spend $3000 See because you can’t get the Simmons you’re not understanding what I mean by Bluetooth connectivity or using the app. Just to clarify… the app isn’t about sounds… it’s about editing sounds first… like when people say Simmons sounds are cheap… they only prove they’re treating simmons like Alesis and Roland… simmons gives the user the ability to edit the sounds to the users liking… first on the module and second on the app. Neither of the others can do that. Then they go further with way more things the app will allow. I’d suggest you look up the app and read what it can do. As it relates to all the off module programs… those shouldn’t be part of this discussion.
@@KeithronPowell You can change sensitivity along with other settings. I never use the patches that the kits come with as they are mainly unusable anyway.
Hi Keith, thanks for your videos-good stuff! Since I'm using VST software, and only really play as a 5-piece, many of the specs that give the Simmons the edge in your comparison are of less important for what I'm using them for. So I'm wondering how you'd compare the actual playability and build quality of these two kits? The feel of the mesh heads, the triggering, cymbal zones, the kick pad, etc? Thanks again!
Great question…. I recorded my latest single using EZ-Drummer…. I tried to use the Alesis Crimson because I like the feel but went back to the Simmons SD1250 because it gave me more flexibility. It felt good and it is my primary set. Don’t get me wrong… the Alesis is an amazing drum… I just chose the simmons because it was more like an acoustic in playability.
Keith, Man I dig the videos. The info is awesome. Let’s talk more about the 1250. I’ve made a few adjustments and changes to improve my kit. Let’s get in contact and compare notes. Then, if you agree, maybe you could post some of these ideas. I appreciate ya man
2 reasons i sent my Crimson II back and got the Simmons 1. the bass drum mic is an inch above the bottom of the head. dead center on the bass drum head barely registers a sound. 2. the midi mapping on the hi-hat has Open and Closed hi-hat mapped to the same note. there is no way to change this. It's hard set in the module. terrible.
@@KeithronPowell well you can tell Simmons your review of the set had a lot to do with my purchase too, that and the 15% off President's Day sale at Musician's Friend.
Hey bro, I have a Simmons SD1200 but my module doesn't work, it's Dead. I'm live in Mexico and I can't find the original module..... the Crimson II module works on Simmons pads? I only need module to connect at Midi PC. Thanks 🙏🏻! I
Great comparison review! Very informative as always. Question: Is there a way to change the sounds with an app, just using only an iPhone, without using a laptop or computer? Sorry, I'm just new to drum programs, have mainly only played acoustic drums. Also, I know you say sounds from module are subjective, but what is your personal opinion on which module had the best built in sounds?
Let me add. The simmons app gives you mad control over the drums. The same controls you get on the module itself but on ya phone or tablet. It’s actually easier to use.
Cool, thank you! I've heard a lot about apps like garage band. Could I connect to that from module through Bluetooth just using my iPhone? Or would I need a laptop or computer with some other program to do that? Not trying to do any serious recording or anything, just would like to access more sounds to use without spending any more money.
Last Question: I'm considering the Simmons SD1250 to replace an acoustic kit as a way to get back into gigs (after 40+ years gigging). My hope is that I can just fold the kit up when the gig's done and walk away with minimal teardown, leaving all cables, etc in place and other than an amp or minor repositioning, it'd save me the time of setup/teardown with an acoustic kit. I'm always the 1st one there and last to leave, while the guitarists, horn & keyboard players just fold it up and go. Thoughts?
@@KeithronPowell Keith, I will be using this kit to gig once a week for a few hours, and then sometimes at home for practice, etc. I know you use other software to get better sounds for the 1250, but are the sounds really sub-standard? Unfortunately Guitar Center doesn't have the 1250 or it's module setup so I can test for myself. Is the Simmons module that bad, say relative to the Roland TD17KV module or the Alesis units? I can only get so much out of watching youtube vids and listening via earbuds. Thank you again for your fine reviews and yes I put in a good word at Simmons for you - hope they let you in on design upgrades.
@@SJSer I had to respond quickly earlier at work. I have another video where I cover a lot of this. I think the Simmons module is one of the best and has the best options/feature with the app over much of what’s out there
Could someone please help me solving my doubt, the hit hat of the simmos SD 1250 battery has good sensitivity, it recognizes very strong hits and very soft ones? Thanks
Hello, love the review! I’m leaning toward the SD1250. Let’s say, I get the alesis but wanted to swap the alesis cymbals for the simmons cymbals. Are they interchangeable? Is this even a thing?
Hey ive watched just about every video on the Simmons sd1250 and even bought one myself. Good sounds and has what you want out of a MODULE, but overall this kit will NOT last. The triggers are not good and if you consistently play rock music these triggers will fail on you. Exactly what i was trying to avoid with his. Ive heard Alesis to be more reliable and obviously price friendly. Bottom line: unless you are on a budget or a beginner….BUY A ROLAND. Dont waste time or money on these. Ive seen hand full of reviews saying people needed snare replacements and those replacements failed. Dont buy the SD1250 you will be returning if you’re an experienced drummer
Thanks for the great videos! I just got dropped off from UPS they nitro mesh special edition and before I open it I wanted to know if you think it is good to keep that one or get the Simmons SD 1200? I want something that feels more like an acoustic set! And that is better overall! What is your opinion? Thank you
@@KeithronPowell Thank you very much! I’m glad I haven’t opened the Nitro Mesh yet lol! I called about five guitar centers and they all said that the Alesis nitro mesh was way better than the 1200! They said the module and the sound was much better on the Alesis! I don’t know if I’m believing that! If I can get a good deal on a Simmons Monday I think I’m gonna pull the trigger!
@@KeithronPowell I just can’t believe after calling five Guitar Center‘s they all said that the nitro mesh played in sounded better than the Simmons! This will be my first electric kit so I wanna make a good choice! They all told me if I went with the Simmons to make sure I bought the warranty!
I walk into guitar center and every drum-set is all over the place, except for the Simmons. Those toms are almost always in the same spot from week to week.
That’s because the sales guys don’t think they’re great or even good so they don’t even suggest them. They run to the major brand names first. They’re doing their clients a disservice
I’m going to have to say neither, and go with the strike pro SE series is the literal goat. These drums sound like a toy compared to this module. I’ve had this thing for about a year and I’ve had nothing but fun, and I’m still learning new things about the module. P.s. - an iRig 2 will record these to yt,IG,FB , etc .. better sound. It’s n interface for ur phone
Comparing a 2300 drum to an $1100 is 🤔…. Glad you’re enjoying it. On the other hand… check out my videos on the sound of these and any other drums. Might be enlightening.
Honestly as an experienced drummer, I went with Simmons, The Pro SE hurts hands EVEN when playing Rock music. I play metal mostly and the SD1250 NEVER hurt my hands 🙌.
@@BadEconomyOfficialhow about the issue with the smaller pad for the double bass? I’m leaning towards the 1250 as well, but I really don’t want any issues with setting up a double bass pedal. 😂
@@fanciullow2 It has 2 bolts on it as I have a double bass pedal, just get a wrench 🔧, and bolt it to the ground AS TIGHT as you can. It helps it not wobble.
@@KeithronPowell I don't either kit so you'd know better than me. However, I've seen reviews where people complain about difficulty getting a double pedal to fit right with 6" I'll delete / edit my comment if you wish since it's just hearsay and not from actual experience. Just let me know. Thanks for the videos. I'm leaning towards the DM10 MKii with double bass. nice price range and larger heads than other similar priced kits. Quieter for my home than my Export series. Some have stated this kit has trigger failure issues, but can be easily fixed with soldering gun. Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Mike
@@Kissfan96dr I haven’t had any issues since I did the firmware update. I’ve had it since prerelease. I have it in my studio as the main kit for recording music. All I’m saying is… it’s been perfect for me.
Forget both of these sets. Just go on Guitar Center, Musicians Friend, Reverb, etc and buy a used Roland kit (like the TD-9, TD-11, TD-15) in great condition for half the price of these new kits. It will last you a lot longer and the sounds that come with the Roland modules are very good especially with the sound sculpting capabilities. The Bass kick pads for these Alesis and Simmons kit have a BIG problem with malfunctioning due to wire disconnection. Neither of those kits in this video are terrible by any means but it makes no sense to pay $1000+ for either when you can buy something better for half the price. Roland is the best All-round E-Drum kit you can buy and the used sets will not rape your wallet either.
Double bass drum kick works fine on the Simmons. I'm using the DM3000 double kick pedal.
Thanks
Double here as well, PDDP502. Plenty of room for the double kick and seems to track well.
Awesome I’m going to have to mention this in another video. Thanks guys for the feedback.
Great comparison. As someone who has owned a TD-17 I can say without question the Simmons is worth the asking price. I paid $750 for a demo TD17 from GC. It was the base model that came with the cheaper cymbals which I couldn’t deal with. The pedal trigger was crap. I ended up buying the VH-10 hats and 15” ride. I also replaced the cheesy rack with an old Gibraltar. At the end of the day I’d spent another $500 bucks to make it ok. I also had to spend another $50 to buy a sound pack because the included sounds were garbage and difficult to adjust with the module.
While the 1250 is cheap, it is nowhere near as cheesy as the Alesis kit. That said, it’s still an e kit with all the faults that e kits have. The most annoying for me is, no true crossstick ability. It is however the best low budget e kit available and the cymbals are really good.
Cool
What is crossstick?
@@pr9ve when you lay the stick on the snare and hit the rim with the stick. You hear this on a lot of slow songs.
If you’re still confused by what I mean CZcams search cross stick
@@KeithronPowell I'm a drummer that uses a LOT of cross stick - rhumba's cha-cha's, ballads, etc. It is a royal PITA to have to cross your stick and play that click for 16 bars then swing the stick around to use the snare for the chorus. Can the rim be programmed to do that cross stick "click" (kinda sounds like claves). That would actually be a HUGE plus, because now I could play cross stick just by hitting the rim and NOT having to change stick position for the chorus!!!!! Your thoughts please!. Also are the Simmons cymbals dual zone or at least the ride? Thanks and great review
@@SJSer cymbals are dual zone… ride is triple zone. You can program the side/rim but if you try and play it like you play an acoustic it won’t work.
With that being said, thank you for the review sir
You’re welcome
With the alesis, you can connect midi to your computer with garage band or something like that. Great video btw!
Thanks
I just purchased the 1250 because i had the crimson II but it didn't work out the box so I thought lets try the 1250 this time.... anyway, about the wobbly rack... first of all you have to set up the rack and make exact measures on both sides down to the floor. This is tricky since after you set the drums on the rack then having to decide how the drums are adjusted to your body. This means you have to kind of make these tweaks and changes all at the same time until you get the drums setup to your liking then you make your final adjustments on the legs making sure each leg is set exactly (Front to Back) and then if everything is exact and all measurements are correct to the other legs your drums should not wobble. Mine is solid as a rock and does not wobble.
One other thing i'm finding is every once in a while if Im striking the high hats and then hit the snare drum rim the high hats turn off completely whenever the snare rim is hit for that second and every time. Also i'm finding one of the crash symbols also cuts out during other hits on other drums. One other thing is, yes, the App. I don't have an iphone so this is limited in that area.
I've only been playing for two weeks but I use to play over 30 years ago and then quit. I just now this month got back into it and made a couple of clips just for fun.
You can see and hear the miss hits when the module cuts out or gets overloaded at certain times.
Here's a couple of clips below and yes I know they are not exact drum covers but I like to add my own techniques and yes I know they are not perfect, far from it and sometimes i forget to go here or there to strike a drum but again I've only been playing for 13 days now so if you've been playing for many years now.... "Don't stop"! It's tough to go back where you left off.
Sade, Paradise: czcams.com/video/nPQqVKnjvnE/video.html
Funky Cold Medina: czcams.com/video/WhTnNzR4YJc/video.html
Awesome! Hey download the firmware update from the simmons website. I’ve found that usually fixes issues. www.Simmonsdrums.net
@@KeithronPowell Hey man thank you first of all. I appreciate it. I did download the software for the hihat problem but i was thinking maybe i got a bad DL. It's happened before with computer software so I think I'll try it again. Thanks again for the comp. Man it's tough getting back into it again after not drumming for so long.
Absolutely 💯
Great comparative review amigo. Previous percussionist coming back from a 20 year hiatus. I was Heavily focused on the "marching" side with a background in DCI. Self taught drumset and always played on acoustics. Electrics are wayyy out of my comfort zone and now that it's time to pass the sticks to my 7 year old, I found your review to aid in solidifying my decision. Customer service is always a huge factor for me when buying "anything" electronic. That wisdom has come with age. In other videos of yours involving the simmons you seem to have had great experience with theirs. Thanks for the info. Keep keeping that beat for us. Cheers 🍻
From TX
Thanks and I hope you enjoy the like I do. Played acoustic for years. Had the original Roland electric and gave them away. So Simmons has my respect.
Great comparison man, It's really appreciated :)
You’re welcome
I wanted to give my brother the SD1250 but instead i ask what he wanted, and he wanted the Alesis one. I saw the up and down but, in the end, so long my brother is happy for what I got him. A major upgrade from his old set up.
As long as he’s happy
Thanks for the review. Happy New Year. And Happy drumming!
Thanks and you’re welcome
@@KeithronPowell 😃 👍
Nice review!! Just want To let you know that the snare on the Alesis does not have 4 pickups or piezo. I think it's like their strike line witch has 4 foam cones on 1 piezo. If you have time open it, we will see!!
👍🏽Thanks that was the plan for an upcoming video. I haven’t had time to record it with Santa and all. 😂
@@KeithronPowell I'd like to see the inside of the Alesis. I've already had to rebuild my Simmons snare because of the way the center pickup is mounted. It's been working well since the rebuild but I'd be interested in the ways the Alesis design differs.
@@thomasraven did yoy get spikes in the sound Everytime you hit it in certain spots?
@@thomasraven What was the issue with your snare, and how did you fix it? Thanks.
Oh man... Wish I could have seen a video like that months ago, before I bought the Alesis Crimson II SE. HAHAHA
Anyway, the second time I see a video on this channel and definitely deserved a subscription.
Thanks, man!
Thanks bro…. I’ve got some more coming that might be cool.
KEY MOMENTS
2:23 - Symbols ???
Did you mean?......Cymbals !!!
I've been thinking about getting the Simmons SD1250 insread of the Alesis. I do know that Simmons have been around longer than Alesis and probably the first makers of edrums.
Thanks for this video, I'm going with the Simmons! 👊
Yeah… make a video and make mistakes. Thing is you don’t wanna take the video down and mess with views… so yeah.
Great review! All the best for you.
Thanks
Love your reviews. I am looking to replace my old ROland TD8 that I sold few yrs back. Narrowed my search to the Alesis Crimson IIse & SImmons SD1250. I've been to several GC stores, & like you said, 100% get steered to Alesis. Both sets have pros & cons. My use fior it is just a kit to play at home for fun. One thing I can't find is a review on the KAT ST300. Any plans to reivew that kit? Thanks & keep those videos coming!
Just read watched that drum and I have a few initial thoughts. For the money on esthetics I can see this set being compared to the SD1250 or the Crimson II. Less sounds… smaller pads… 1 less tom then the 1250. And the set up reminds me too much of a $500 set. Of course I haven’t played it but I think the pics of the suggestion for the module is way wrong! You can’t make any changes. The kick pad is interesting but I can’t find anything that lists the contents in the box. The one thing that I think is an immediate positive is the cymbal boom arms. I love those!!!!!
Excellent review! You definitely have me steered toward the Simmons kit. If I have one complaint, and I'm sure that I'm alone on this one, I would have preferred three 10" toms over two 8s and two 10s. I'm a beginner and the 8" toms feel very small to me. Otherwise, it seems like a steal!
I’ve been playing for years and I feel the exact same way. It’s not bad on my acoustic set to have the one 8 but multiple 🤷🏽♂️
Do not buy this kit they are not reliable
Thank you, great in-depth review
I like the option on the Simmons to have it set, 3 up and 1 down. Plus the App Simmons offer which does make adjusting the sound a lot easier.
👍🏽
Do these things sound like a toy compared to the strike pro SE Alesis. Headed for about a year now and it’s absolutely amazing.
I got mine for an even 2K. I picked it up from a kid it was selling it almost like new. I just had to drive and get it, and he threw in a high hat stand for free. It was a pretty much Alesis strike pro SE out of the box w HH stand for 2k even. Worth it.
Can we please hear the sounds? And please use the toms a lot. When you went over the sounds for the Simmons module ( in a past video) you did not play the toms.
That’s another video…. It’s coming.
The 1250 sounds are actually good and usable. You can basically build your own kit by selecting different drums from preset kits and then modify them further using the onboard effects. The Simmons 1250 does not sound like a toy whereas the Alesis does. To me anyway..
I keep hearing an electronic sound on the Alesis but I haven’t been able to record it to discuss it on camera. I’ve never heard that on the simmons. I have been struggling to see if I can figure out how to use the Alesis module to modify the sounds without using the directions, like I did on the Simmons but…. 😤
The UI is not as intuitive as the Simmons and I’m seeing other issues that I will be covering in the future.
@@chrismitchell45 I agree 100%. The Alesis sounds machine gun a lot and sound cheesy to me. The Simmons sounds like an instrument, not a toy.
Those split clamps are nice. I have to do alot of disassembly to add just 1 rack mount on my Roland.
Yeah…. I was totally shocked when I saw them. I figure no one else is doing it because they sent in a Patent on it. Smart move
I'd add that the Simmons sounds are a lot better than the Alesis sounds. The Alesis snare sounds do a lot of machine gunning where the Simmons sound more like real drums to me and the module has a lot more usable sounds.
M still going through them but I have noticed a bit of that and also triggering issues.
Bit bias towards Simons expecially when you have Simons speakers in the background. Sponsored by Simons at all? I'd like to know how both kits sound. I reckon the Alesis would sound better.
Sponsored? Nope… let’s be clear. I review what is sent for that purpose. I’ve been sent product from Alesis and Simmons for review. I don’t pay anything. I have been sent the Alesis Crimson 2, Nitro Mesh and Max. And I didn’t pay a dime. I compared them to the simmons… I think Simmons gets overlooked all because people know the Alesis name. Now, those speakers were sent as review units as well. They make great looking props in the background and I set them up. If Alesis decides to send me some monitors for review…. Or maybe Roland… I’ll do a comparison and possible set them up in the background. Will you ask if I’m sponsored by them then? What about those PRESONUS E8 monitors? Did you see those? Am I sponsored by Presonus? Oh wait, I paid for those out of pocket?Now, as it relates to sound I’ve said 1000 times, sounds are subjective and I can fool anyone by tweaking any sound to make it amazing if I want to. I think Alesis has some great sounds but I think most are over saturated and don’t sound natural but 1) I can make it work and sound great 2) there’s more to the electric drum than just the sound. I think Alesis can be better if they make some other technical upgrades. But right now, Simmons is outshining them.
Just paid $850 for the 1250 new. Pretty good stuff
Good deal
The problem is that you cant buy them in Eastern Europe. Seems like only in America you can orded Simmson drums. So you can buy only Alesis here in Europe.
Oh wow! That’s messed up.
Appreciate and grateful for the reviews.👍👍👍
On the Simmons-- could the 8 inch toms be replaced with 10 inch toms? So, all the toms will be 10 inch
It will be a tight fit…
@@KeithronPowell OK. Thank you. 👍👍✌️✌️
Hey, I live in Europe and SIMMONS has absolutely no support here ! The SD1250 is not available here! And there never was an Expansion Kit for the SD1200 ! Can you pass this on please ? O. K. , I'm asking for too much ,I know .
This is good info
I have done the research and the thing is that you dont need an App for the electronic drums, or blutooth
You can connect any Aux blutooth adapter on the market and it will work.
If you want to edit your drums with Alesis you can always use Ezdrummer or Addictive drums, Superior Drums or whatever Plugin you like over USB.
Also what you can do with Alesis modul is to import all the Ezdrummer and other samples into your module and load them later standalone like you have plugin.
You dont need big screen and all that because is usable perfectly already like this for years.
I think you’ve completely missed the point most likely you own an Alesis. Let me see if I can clarify this for you.
1) never said you “needed” and app. I said they should make one because wit can make life easier.
2) I also said that you can EQ the “native” sounds.
3) if you’re switching to EZDrummer you’ve already dismissed the native sounds. I’m speaking of the native sounds and ease of use. The fact that they charge all that money for a Gameboy screen is pathetic.
4) the fact that you need to buy a Bluetooth adapter to be able to use it that way is a shame at this price point.
4) you can also download all those plugin sounds to the simmons… that means simmons can do everything and more than the Alesis.
4) using ezdrummer and all those other drums is NOT editing the sounds that brining in sounds.
5) the idea that they’ve done it this way for years means it’s fine is not cool. It is not fine. It’s time for Alesis to admit they’re behind and catch up with the Guitar Center house brand.
@@KeithronPowell if i will ever connect Tablet to my Crimson 2 SE drums that are just arrive, that would be Windows tablet with VST-s on it.
Why would i buy android tablet and use module sounds when i can buy Windows tablet and connect via USB and use Steven Slate, Addictive or Superior drums plugin and always have all that on the top of the module like you have on Simmons tablet on the top.
Then you can use Blutooth for the headphones or whatever and directly play music from the Windows Tablet.
That is way more Advanced to the Pro level then just connect Android tablet and tweek module sounds...
There is so cheap Windows Tablets on the market today with the same price like android and SSD disk inside for fast samples load in plugins.
@@DugiDevetCarabolium 😂😂😂😂 I really wish you would read watch the entire video without being angry and pay close attention to what I actually said… I’ve stated in multiple videos that I record using either DAW sounds or EZDRUMMER.
My point is that if your using the…. Wait for it…. MODULE SOUNDS….. did you catch that? When using the module sounds using a tablet/app makes it easier to edit those sounds…. I never said anything about using the app on the DAW or other software…
Next..: the reason you can’t use a windows table is because…. Again you missed this…. SIMMONS DOES NOT MAKE AN APP FOR ANYTHING BUT THE iPhone or iPad… so your argument against android or apple was useless. 😂😂😂
If we are going to have a discussion we need to stay on track and not introduce things that can’t be used at all…
@@KeithronPowell Heeey i am not angry :S
I really like your videos and respect what you are doing.
I just making the point if i will ever put any tablet in the top of the module i will never buy Ipad, apple, iphone or android to use drum module sounds, if i will spend money on the expensive iPhone or iPad i will give my money in better direction and buy Windows Tablet for the same money.
No one have at home like regular device ipad or iphone tablets, that is rare case to have, so you need to buy one, so if you buying those ultra expensive devices you can buy Windows Tablet, and guess what, you can record and edit and do so much more in Cubase, Protools etc programs or just run stand alone Ezdrummer, Steven Slate for quick plug and play.
Buying ipad or iphone to be just on the module shitty sounds is just insane money spend.
Thats why Alesis crimson 2 SE is better buy.
Now i dont need to buy tablet to play with the module sounds, i need to buy Windows Tablet.
You have all feature in the tablet, blutooth and all other, so you dont need that in the module at all.
So what is the better buy?
Simmons + Ipad/iphone
or
Alesis + Windows Tablet?
That is the real question.
I think is simple decision.
@@DugiDevetCarabolium 😂
Now I get it… you are failing to understand the purpose of the tablet. It is not to be used as a replacement for the module. When it comes to controlling the module and modifying the sounds the Simmons module is better than the Alesis and Yamaha. Now…. To make it even easier they’ve created an app. The app gives you even easier access to changing and editing sounds because your phone or tablet is larger.
All of the functions that are on the module are on the app. Plus, you can do way more with the app… one example is you can pull up a song from your music library… iTunes for example… and then play that song in your AirPods or any other headset… while playing the drums at the same time…. All via Bluetooth. This means you don’t need external sound systems cables… etc., all you need is the phone or tablet. Oh, and you can use your phone to record sounds to add to the module… and you… listen the app has some really cool things it can do.
Now for the point I keep making…
You can’t use a tablet with Alesis at all. They don’t have Bluetooth or an app for the crimson II. You can’t add any type of tablet or phone to them as a controller. They don’t have Bluetooth capability until you spend $3000
See because you can’t get the Simmons you’re not understanding what I mean by Bluetooth connectivity or using the app.
Just to clarify… the app isn’t about sounds… it’s about editing sounds first… like when people say Simmons sounds are cheap… they only prove they’re treating simmons like Alesis and Roland… simmons gives the user the ability to edit the sounds to the users liking… first on the module and second on the app. Neither of the others can do that. Then they go further with way more things the app will allow.
I’d suggest you look up the app and read what it can do. As it relates to all the off module programs… those shouldn’t be part of this discussion.
Was you choking on the word choke intentional? That was pretty funny.
😂 no I just choked .
Does the Simmons cymbal trigger all the way around? Alot of Roland cymbals only trigger on the front half of the cymbal.
All the way around
@@KeithronPowell You can change sensitivity along with other settings. I never use the patches that the kits come with as they are mainly unusable anyway.
Hi Keith, thanks for your videos-good stuff!
Since I'm using VST software, and only really play as a 5-piece, many of the specs that give the Simmons the edge in your comparison are of less important for what I'm using them for. So I'm wondering how you'd compare the actual playability and build quality of these two kits? The feel of the mesh heads, the triggering, cymbal zones, the kick pad, etc?
Thanks again!
Great question…. I recorded my latest single using EZ-Drummer…. I tried to use the Alesis Crimson because I like the feel but went back to the Simmons SD1250 because it gave me more flexibility. It felt good and it is my primary set. Don’t get me wrong… the Alesis is an amazing drum… I just chose the simmons because it was more like an acoustic in playability.
I really don't like the click noise from the symbols and the stick.
Put on headphones
Setting mine up now 😊
Well, how is it?
Keith,
Man I dig the videos. The info is awesome. Let’s talk more about the 1250. I’ve made a few adjustments and changes to improve my kit. Let’s get in contact and compare notes. Then, if you agree, maybe you could post some of these ideas. I appreciate ya man
Sounds good…
Would you say the Simmons is better for triggering midi? Thats really all im looking for i got the ugritone vsts (sick btw)
I think they’re all great for it. For me it comes down to the feel and the ability to forget it’s electric.
2 reasons i sent my Crimson II back and got the Simmons 1. the bass drum mic is an inch above the bottom of the head. dead center on the bass drum head barely registers a sound. 2. the midi mapping on the hi-hat has Open and Closed hi-hat mapped to the same note. there is no way to change this. It's hard set in the module. terrible.
Wow…. I thought I noticed that but I just kept going back to the simmons. So…
@@KeithronPowell well you can tell Simmons your review of the set had a lot to do with my purchase too, that and the 15% off President's Day sale at Musician's Friend.
@@burntusa 😂😂😂 that 15% is strong.
Hey bro, I have a Simmons SD1200 but my module doesn't work, it's Dead. I'm live in Mexico and I can't find the original module..... the Crimson II module works on Simmons pads? I only need module to connect at Midi PC. Thanks 🙏🏻! I
Should work no problem.
Great comparison review! Very informative as always. Question: Is there a way to change the sounds with an app, just using only an iPhone, without using a laptop or computer? Sorry, I'm just new to drum programs, have mainly only played acoustic drums. Also, I know you say sounds from module are subjective, but what is your personal opinion on which module had the best built in sounds?
Honestly… I’m gonna spend more time with the Alesis but… so far they are equal.. why? Because if I EQ anything I make it sound better. 🤷🏽♂️
Let me add. The simmons app gives you mad control over the drums. The same controls you get on the module itself but on ya phone or tablet. It’s actually easier to use.
Cool, thank you! I've heard a lot about apps like garage band. Could I connect to that from module through Bluetooth just using my iPhone? Or would I need a laptop or computer with some other program to do that? Not trying to do any serious recording or anything, just would like to access more sounds to use without spending any more money.
@@heelfan66 you can use the Simmons app to control the drums…. You can also Bluetooth it in to GarageBand to access those sounds also.
Last Question: I'm considering the Simmons SD1250 to replace an acoustic kit as a way to get back into gigs (after 40+ years gigging). My hope is that I can just fold the kit up when the gig's done and walk away with minimal teardown, leaving all cables, etc in place and other than an amp or minor repositioning, it'd save me the time of setup/teardown with an acoustic kit. I'm always the 1st one there and last to leave, while the guitarists, horn & keyboard players just fold it up and go. Thoughts?
Yes it would be perfect for that and yes you can program the rim
@@KeithronPowell Keith, I will be using this kit to gig once a week for a few hours, and then sometimes at home for practice, etc. I know you use other software to get better sounds for the 1250, but are the sounds really sub-standard? Unfortunately Guitar Center doesn't have the 1250 or it's module setup so I can test for myself. Is the Simmons module that bad, say relative to the Roland TD17KV module or the Alesis units? I can only get so much out of watching youtube vids and listening via earbuds. Thank you again for your fine reviews and yes I put in a good word at Simmons for you - hope they let you in on design upgrades.
@@SJSer actually the sounds are great. I use other sounds when I’m recording because it’s easier.
@@SJSer I had to respond quickly earlier at work. I have another video where I cover a lot of this. I think the Simmons module is one of the best and has the best options/feature with the app over much of what’s out there
@@KeithronPowell Thanks Man, you're the best
Which one to buy ? alesis dm10 mkii pro kit or alesis crimson ii se ?
🤷🏽♂️ Never played the DM10. I’d consider budget and what you get.
Could someone please help me solving my doubt, the hit hat of the simmos SD 1250 battery has good sensitivity, it recognizes very strong hits and very soft ones?
Thanks
Yes it does… you can change the sensitive to your liking
Sooo, this simmons vs a used Roland TD17?
I don’t have access to a Roland TD17. Vs wouldn’t be fair until I have one to review.
Hello, love the review! I’m leaning toward the SD1250. Let’s say, I get the alesis but wanted to swap the alesis cymbals for the simmons cymbals. Are they interchangeable? Is this even a thing?
Yes they’ll work. Now, depending on the set up the triple zone may not work on the Ride. Just depends on the Alesis cymbal
I was able to use the Crimson 2 with the Melodics app. Does anyone know if the Simmons 1250 will work with Melodics? Thanks
All software will work with any drum.
Hey bro! Please make a review for Lemon ts630..thanks in advance🙏🙏🙏
I had to look that one up because I’d never heard of it. If I can get my hands one I will.
Hey ive watched just about every video on the Simmons sd1250 and even bought one myself. Good sounds and has what you want out of a MODULE, but overall this kit will NOT last. The triggers are not good and if you consistently play rock music these triggers will fail on you. Exactly what i was trying to avoid with his. Ive heard Alesis to be more reliable and obviously price friendly. Bottom line: unless you are on a budget or a beginner….BUY A ROLAND. Dont waste time or money on these. Ive seen hand full of reviews saying people needed snare replacements and those replacements failed. Dont buy the SD1250 you will be returning if you’re an experienced drummer
Thabks for your response
Thanks for the great videos! I just got dropped off from UPS they nitro mesh special edition and before I open it I wanted to know if you think it is good to keep that one or get the Simmons SD 1200? I want something that feels more like an acoustic set! And that is better overall! What is your opinion? Thank you
I’m all simmons! I think it’s a better kit.
@@KeithronPowell Thank you very much! I’m glad I haven’t opened the Nitro Mesh yet lol! I called about five guitar centers and they all said that the Alesis nitro mesh was way better than the 1200! They said the module and the sound was much better on the Alesis! I don’t know if I’m believing that! If I can get a good deal on a Simmons Monday I think I’m gonna pull the trigger!
I would also like to know if the Simmons 1200 is good with double base? Thank you!
Also hate to ask another question but what is the difference between the SD 1200 and the SD 1250?
@@KeithronPowell I just can’t believe after calling five Guitar Center‘s they all said that the nitro mesh played in sounded better than the Simmons! This will be my first electric kit so I wanna make a good choice! They all told me if I went with the Simmons to make sure I bought the warranty!
I walk into guitar center and every drum-set is all over the place, except for the Simmons. Those toms are almost always in the same spot from week to week.
That’s because the sales guys don’t think they’re great or even good so they don’t even suggest them. They run to the major brand names first. They’re doing their clients a disservice
@@KeithronPowell it's weird becuase it's their brand. I just ordered one for 880$ including tax and shipped partly thanks to your review.
@@StephenDanielAddeo I said the same thing.
The rack can be stabilized for less than $20 bucks
So far it’s just been easy to make sure everything is tightened properly
I’m going to have to say neither, and go with the strike pro SE series is the literal goat. These drums sound like a toy compared to this module. I’ve had this thing for about a year and I’ve had nothing but fun, and I’m still learning new things about the module. P.s. - an iRig 2 will record these to yt,IG,FB , etc .. better sound. It’s n interface for ur phone
Comparing a 2300 drum to an $1100 is 🤔…. Glad you’re enjoying it. On the other hand… check out my videos on the sound of these and any other drums. Might be enlightening.
If sounds are the concern you're best off running either of these through Steven Slate Drums via midi.
Honestly as an experienced drummer, I went with Simmons, The Pro SE hurts hands EVEN when playing Rock music. I play metal mostly and the SD1250 NEVER hurt my hands 🙌.
@@BadEconomyOfficialhow about the issue with the smaller pad for the double bass? I’m leaning towards the 1250 as well, but I really don’t want any issues with setting up a double bass pedal. 😂
@@fanciullow2 It has 2 bolts on it as I have a double bass pedal, just get a wrench 🔧, and bolt it to the ground AS TIGHT as you can. It helps it not wobble.
so basically, only buy the Alesis if you want a double bass.
No… they both allow for double bass.
@@KeithronPowell I don't either kit so you'd know better than me.
However, I've seen reviews where people complain about difficulty getting a double pedal to fit right with 6"
I'll delete / edit my comment if you wish since it's just hearsay and not from actual experience. Just let me know.
Thanks for the videos. I'm leaning towards the DM10 MKii with double bass. nice price range and larger heads than other similar priced kits.
Quieter for my home than my Export series.
Some have stated this kit has trigger failure issues, but can be easily fixed with soldering gun. Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Mike
@@Kissfan96dr I haven’t had any issues since I did the firmware update. I’ve had it since prerelease. I have it in my studio as the main kit for recording music. All I’m saying is… it’s been perfect for me.
@@KeithronPowell Thank you Keith! Much appreciated!
Forget both of these sets. Just go on Guitar Center, Musicians Friend, Reverb, etc and buy a used Roland kit (like the TD-9, TD-11, TD-15) in great condition for half the price of these new kits. It will last you a lot longer and the sounds that come with the Roland modules are very good especially with the sound sculpting capabilities. The Bass kick pads for these Alesis and Simmons kit have a BIG problem with malfunctioning due to wire disconnection. Neither of those kits in this video are terrible by any means but it makes no sense to pay $1000+ for either when you can buy something better for half the price. Roland is the best All-round E-Drum kit you can buy and the used sets will not rape your wallet either.
Imma have to get some Roland drums in for review
@@KeithronPowell 👍that would be awesome and I guarantee you won’t be disappointed.