Introducing Form 4: Blazing Fast 3D Printer
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- Form 4 is a blazing fast masked SLA 3D printer powered by Low Force Display™ Print Engine that combines an industry-leading materials library with a reliable, accurate print engine. Learn more: bit.ly/4cWEkyu
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Turn your ideas into reality faster than ever with easy workflows, leading reliability, and stunning part quality using the Form 4 ecosystem.
Form 4’s speed is driven by Formlabs’ new Low Force Display™ Print Engine, a powerful combination of ultra-high power LEDs, collimating lenses, optical filters, and a robust liquid crystal display. Together they cure each layer of resin rapidly - regardless of part size or quantity. With tight tolerances, parts printed in every resin on Form 4 will match your design parameters, every time.
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At over five times the cost, what are the advantages of this printer over any of the other LCD based printers that have been out for over two years already? It's the same resolution, same print area, same print speed as Phrozen and Elegoo's $800 printers. Plus, it's locked into Formlabs' ecosystem and (horrible) slicer. Your cheapest resin is over 10 times the cost of most prototyping SLA resins. Whereas for other printers all the settings are openly adjustable, and available for every other printer. Chitu-Box is state of the art, provides a wonderful user experience, valuable features such as hollowing, drain holes, etc, and we can download or create settings for whatever resins we want.
The advantage is the brand and support. Formlabs is the Apple equivalent of an SLA printer. It's a real shame though because I would be willing to lock myself in to the Formlabs ecosystem if it was unambiguously superior but to your point, the much cheaper competition has a lot going for it in almost every metric.
@@paulgemperlein626Support is trash ar formlabs. We had the Form 2 and form 3 in our Company and both had a defect shortly after warranty time. In Both cases formlabs wanted to sell us a new Printer. No spareparts to repair the defect one. It is a joke
Amazing!! Can’t wait.. those full build platform prints getting done in 2 hours seems pretty awesome!
Would love more info on how fine details compare to form 3 series. This really matters for us and the nominal xy resolution has actually gotten worse 😳. 50um instead of 25um on form 3. I realize those numbers are not directly comparable because of changes in the print technology but some kind of quantitative comparison would be nice. There are brief statements on the website that fine feature performance is actually better but what that actually means and how subpixel resolution is achieved is not clear.
Agreed. Not only that but the speed demos were 100um to 160um models. The newer, higher end, resin printers out there for 25% the cost or less are running 30um at 150mm/hr nevermind 50um.
They say in the Tested review that 25um would have made print times much worse and wasn't worth it. Also seems like they said they'll sell a separate display that enables 25um so that's interesting and Tested also said they have a comparison video in the works.
The more important question is how this compares to a 450 dollar msla printer from China. The laser unit in previous generations was an actual design feature, but this thing is basically giving up and trying to play catch up.
@@paulgemperlein62625 with MSLA isn't worth it. Anti aliasing and exposure time will make a bigger difference than 25 vs 50.
Form3 XY resolution was 85um not 25um
big leagues upgrade, very nice!
Wow looks like an incredible upgrade
Aha.. Want a review unit for free????
Ong this is amazing !!!
wir durften heute schon im unserem Showroom in Köln mit dem Form 4 drucken ❤ Super schnell
Absolut peinliches Produkt. 4000 Euro für einen LCD printer? Ich fasse es nicht! Unser Form 3 steht nur rum, will 95% aller Modelle in einem Anycubic M3 Pro schneller, hübscher und zu einem Bruchteil der Kosten gedruckt werden können. Und da löst das 200 Euro Harz auch nicht einfach vat auf und läuft in den Drucker, wenn man zwei Monate nicht druckt!
They just validated all their competition
What do you mean?
Other companies have been using mSLA technology for years. Formlabs just accepted the mSLA is superior to their previous technology.
Definitely interesting that they're no longer using the laser. Hopefully no major tradeoffs
The company is a total joke and so is their high school support personnel
Would you allow the use of 3rd party resins from the beggining or are you gonna do the same that you did on the Form 3, allowing it only at the end of the product production?
Site says it supports it now
We're committed to bringing our SLA Open Platform to Form 4/B throughout this year, including: Certified materials, Print Settings Editor, and Open Material License. As the first step, we're releasing a PreForm update in late May with Form 4/B support for Print Settings Editor.
Price point for MSLA is bonkers. Also your entire material catalogue will have to be reformulated.
The entire materials catalogue from the Form 3 will be available on the Form 4 and even more materials, enabled by the new print engine. As usual however we will keep on pushing the boundaries on each material, so expect an ever growing list of materials.
@@dogichowFL I'm concerned that adapting your existing materials library to the new print engine could cause problems. I think embracing mSLA was the right choice and you obviously need to keep resin compatibility but it seems a bit shoehorned and I wonder if there will be weird quirks.
Does it have or will it have a quick release build platform? Also are the new tanks consumables regardless of resin or are there some resins where tanks last indefinitely?
Form 4 introduces the Build Platform Flex with Quick Release Technology for easy print removal, enhancing workflow efficiency. Resin Tanks are built to last and deliver consistent performance for at least 75,000 layers of printing-tank lifetime is now the same for all materials. The tank design has been updated and is no longer degraded by the components present in some of our resins. (No more tank lifetime counter like with Form 3 Tanks)
@@Formlabs very cool, thanks
Are the prints as strong as Form 3 prints? I have used formlabs prints vs display based resin printers before and anything that wasn't locally fused with a laser was significantly weaker layer by layer.
LCD based SLA produces much more flexible prints vs laser-based printers (with the same resin). But there should not be any strength issues. If you're having layer strength issues, it suggests you were not giving each layer enough energy to cure fully.
You can check all the technical datasheets for the new Form 4 exclusive materials. The new grey V5 is as good as the Form 3+ grey pro was before and much better than the grey V4.
Yes. Our resins have the same mechanical properties (including strength) when printed on Form 3 or Form 4 printers. To make sure part properties are the same, we tune and validate print settings for every material and layer height available on Form 4/B. You can see mechanical properties for our resins by clicking any material on formlabs.com/materials/.
Price pointis still wild, but I guess not for certain industries.
I’ll take one, the amount of miniatures I could make with that would be amazing 😁😁
Why not a projector instead ? Even 100k layers on a lcd isn’t a thing, also you’d use way less power with a dlp projector in it, I have a small size dlp one and it is amazing, you guys should consider as it’s a big brand, a well made projector printer would be amazing!!!
There's no projector in the world that can output that amount of optical power at that resolution and price.
@@gizmoguyar there’s 4K dlp projectors that can do it, and no need that much power anyway, otherwise the other brands wouldn’t exist … :)
@@ipodfernando I've spent most of my career in 3D printer research. The only 4K DLP mirror array that I'm aware of in this price range is only rated for < 1 Watt objective power. This is almost four times that. Additionally I can basically guarantee you that the "4K" DLP projectors that you have seen (maybe used) are pseudo 4K. They are a 2k mirror array that shifts half a pixel to interlace two images. This is super detrimental to 3D printing quality and resolution. If you know of any 405 nm true 4K DLP projectors capable of 4 Watts off-lens optical power, I'd certainly love to hear about it. I'm only aware of two, and they retail for $12,000 and $16,000 respectively.
Resin for JEWELRY? wax 40 works better here? Or is there some resin for casting with a better impression?
Castable Wax and Castable Wax 40 resin are available for Form 4 printers. Compared to Form 3, you should see much better (sharper) fine features when printing these resins on Form 4.
Is this a Form 2?
It's the grandchild of the Form 4, some of the same genes, but like humans greatly evolved generation to generation.
1:18 is that MLA in a printer?
Impressive! But what we really want to know is: do you still have the mini game? \(°u°)/
😄We don't have the mini game on Form 4 today. But we might add something in the future!
@@kylemcnulty7123 Nice! (*u*)/
There was a mini-game??!
Yes indeed! I'm using the 3+ and by tapping randomly on the titles of the menu I discovered it, totaly unexpectedly. I don't remember the combinaition though (-. -').
@@6Dirt6 Start from the home menu and double tap the 4 menu icons top to bottom
$4500 is outrageous.
Для американцев это дешёво, чем остальным странам. Так что не плач.
@noorik8778 it's outrageous because it's compering more with $1000 printers.
been a while. 😮
Hope the wait was worth it! :)
I'm kind of curious about why the price of 1L clear resin for the Form 4 is $100 while the price of 1L of clear resin for the Form 3 is 50% higher at $150. It feels really weird and almost seems to be a way of trying to force organizations to the Form 4 due to the reduced run cost which isn't exactly customer centric.
Our new general purpose resins, such as Clear v5, have been reformulated to be optimized for the new Low Force Display print engine that powers the Form 4. During reformulation we were also able to cut costs and pass the savings on to our customers.
wait, so you mean you don't want the new resins to get cheaper? 😅
@@Chaosghoulless that and more I’m not understanding what makes the resin for the Form 4 that much cheaper than the resin for the Form 3. Sure there’s changes in the manufacturing process but the process can’t be that different that those changes in manufacturing can’t be used on the resin for the Form 3. Like, given how much cheaper the new process supposedly is, Formlabs would be stupid not to utilize it even if they didn’t lower prices, which gets back to my original point of it not being a customer centric move.
Hopefully Formlabs can touch on any actual technical reasons why tomorrow in their webinar.
@@cassie_mmk Do you know how expensive it is to re tool for a product you're already producing?
Also don't forget that the cartridges are *vastly* more complex for Form 3 than they are for Form 4. Look at the resin pumping system: If you buy the 5L Jugs, you're already getting almost the same price of the V5 resins. If one doesn't like the 1L cartridge price, just get the 5L ones
@@Chaosghoul the 5L jugs are $134/L, that is hardly getting almost the same price as the V5 resins. Yes, the V4 cartridges are more complicated than the V5 ones. Even then, they're still injection molded, and I'd have a hard time believing the cost per unit of the cartridges is $5, let alone $50 of the cost of the V4 resin.
Though you do bring up a good point about retooling production lines, but something still seems off here because I imagine Formlabs expects to sell resin for the Form 3 for several more years. If that's the case, then they'd be financially stupid to not retool their production lines for the V4 to not get the cost savings and pocket the difference. Though that wouldn't be very customer centric either.
Basically, to quote Corey Doctorow, the price difference in resin seems to be a form of "enshittification" to force Form 3 users and businesses onto the Form 4 platform. I am happy to eat my words if Formlabs is able to give a good explanation here.
Hey, let's sell you this nice printer that you can get from Anycubic at 1500 bucks for 4500 bucks. As added bonus we'll throw in overpriced supplies!
its just a matter of time until anycubic, elegoo or any other company will add the 1-2 featues the form4 has... besides these features it has nothing special compared to other printers... way overpriced imo
What are the 1-2 features you're referring to?
@@paulgemperlein626 heated vat... also the thing wich moves left to right on the vat... other than that theres not much i see..