10 Things I've learned running a print farm
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My (new) Industrial Print Farm - • I Tried Building an In...
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00:00 Introduction
00:25 1. Not Passive
00:53 2. Energy
02:02 3. Air Quality
03:27 4. Prepare to Grow
04:14 5. Standardize
06:59 6. Maintenance
08:30 7. Production Planning
09:20 8. Print Job Management
10:34 9. Packaging & Fulfillment
11:28 10. Future Technology
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so expensive
lets say i have a oppotunity for a grant and decide i want to get into 3d printing and i also would have the chance to get contract jobs in different filed like petroleum , offices , water supply contracts what printers industrial level should i go for ,..... ive made a plan but i want to see if anything you suggest comes up with what ive planned already
I'm a farmer, I barely know how to use the internet on my phone and I still rock a laptop for my utube watching but I just want you to know that I really enjoy watching your videos. You have the ability to make it all interesting.
It's not much but it's honest work
Hey, I got a solution for your SD card problem. What you can do is. Use an SD card virtualization. You plug in a "sd card" which is just a data connector and then you can connect it via wifi to your local drive system. Then you do not have the problem anymore. Just move the file to the local folder to which every sd card transmitter is connected and start printing :). The only thing what you need is to power the SD card to wifi connector via USB.
I have a print farm with 18 creality printers. I can't agree more with you about the fact that good maintenance is one of the key. I have been running the business for almost 2 years now and no major issues with the printers. As a low budget guy I can say you don't need high entry 3d printers to start your business.. it's all about commitment, planning and most of all love what you do. And thank you for your tips
So fascinating. I didn't have 3D printers to test the air quality on my video and went off some research publications. Glad to see 40 of them are not having a huge impact in a contained room. That's encouraging.
I immediately thought of your video, Suman.
I'd imagine the numbers would be different if he used other types of filaments or even lower quality filaments. Nevertheless, the numbers are encouraging.
@@matthysloedolff yea that’s my thought process as well. Maybe good ol American made filament warrants the price of admission due to purity. It could also be the printer itself applying an appropriate amount of heat instead of blasting it too far out, resulting in emissions of compounds that are happy to flee at higher temps. Given the study used 5 types of printer, each with 5 filament types, I do think it’s a good idea to take those findings and other similar studies at heart and use protective measures anyway.
@@WoodcraftBySuman PPE is my middle name. It would be interesting to see what temperature threshold results in significant VOC emissions and if the concentrations of emissions are linearly related to temperature.
Has the study also looked at a resin printer by any chance? I imagine that would be off the scale.
I think it depends on filament because some of the PLA I have smell like pure chemicals similar to ABS so yeah def not safe for every day exposure especially in the same room one sleeps. A purifier and ventilation helps alot
I work for a very large semiconductor company and we do maintenance on our tools, scheduled Monthly. Bi Monthly, even Mini PM you have to determine where the maintenance schedule for your equipment. Your schedule may differ. Keeping a well supplied stores of spare parts is Key even if you are buying on an annual basis. Instead of having a tool down for weeks "Waiting Part" have spare and install it then reorder the part for when the next tool needs it. You will find your production increases while your down time drops. Don't wait for the tool to fail before you act. Proactive is better then Reactive. Good Luck
I found your channel when I first bought my P1S. Since It was my first 3D printer and to be honest I'm grateful for the issues I've had because it's taught me a lot about the printer...but I've replaced the hot end 3 times in a few months and had to figure out some weird z homing issue and realign the heat bed. However when the thing is printing at top notch it's amazing. I'll likely do more of them when I grow my fleet.
I was looking for someone to print my prototype. Got multiple quotes. Ended up being more than the cost of my ender 5+. Instead, learned 3D printing, now I have decided to start a farm myself. The margins are really good if you have capabilities to print multiple materials and understand the marketing aspect behind it. I recently bought a couple bambu printers so your journey was inspirational man.
I can see myself going from 2 printers to 5, then more in the future as well. Here's to dreaming big!
The product / design has the most commanding influence on the price and how much $ the machine makes. Someone that designs custom parts will have different margins than somebody else that prints rocktopus and articulate dragons from thingieverse
@@hd-be7di Who would have known
@@Salad-818 I'm sure someone with your intelligence would have figured it out without any help
@@hd-be7di theres nothing to figure out my friend
@@Salad-818 So why did you reply then?
I appreciate your videos. I’ve been printing for 4 plus years but I am working on starting a print farm. These videos are a great reference. I have a mix of printers but I’d like to standardize. Prusas and Bamboo seem to be gold standard but may be out side my budget to start. Videos like this are swaying me one way though. Thanks!
Wow, that is some farm you've put together~! Happy to see that it's working out so well for you. I've got a Prusa MK3S and love it~! Just have to find more things to keep it busy making things for a woodworking shop. BTW, what is that you're using as a filament spool hanger? Looks like something that would work out well for my setup. Thanks Travis~!
I love the pace of your videos. They are informative, to the point, and they help to take decisions. 😊
It's amazing how many content creators struggle with that
I’m constantly mind blown at the progress of tech. When 3D printing first became a thing, home machines were astronomical on pricing. Reminds me of when I saw my first flat screen TV in 1994. It was a whopping 32”, the largest screen size TV one could buy without going to a projector, and it cost…. $25,000!!!! Today you can get a bargain brand 72” flat screen for under a grand lol.
3D printers, CNCs and laser printers/engravers are progressing so fast and becoming so accessible, it’s bananas.
Repetier is a great option for mk3s. You can fit all of your printers on 3 raspberry pis. We used this setup for years before moving on from prusa. We did air quality tests as well and found the same results.
Not sure if you tested it, but octoprint is far from a hack. Open source using standard 3D printing commands. After swapping SD cards for the past 5 years, I decided to try it and kicked myself for not doing it sooner. Might be a little tricker with a large farm but I'm sure there's a write up out there.
Seriously. Once you ditch the SD cards you'll never go back. Check out our automated print farm timelapses to see the efficiency gains when you can 3D print 24/7 without interruptions.
Thanks for the video. I'm a 6 Bambu Lab printers right now and needing more and everything you said was SOOOOO true!
I have no desire to get into this but I was curious so I watched the video. I have to say, this is a well thought out and put together video. Good luck to you.
Thanks Travis. This video couldn't have come at a better time!
The future technology is a big one. Seeing all the posts in the groups of people buying 10 printers that are quickly outdated is rough. Currently switched over to a P1S but have the intentions on building some voron tridents for size and upgradability. It all depends on if you want to tinker and would spend the time on upgrades and proper maintenance. The people that think that they can buy these machines and just click and print are in for a rude awakening.
Agreed even though I don't neccessarily think being a little behind the current hotness is such a bad thing in all cases. For us going even faster (we run Voron V0.1 and Trident and Prusa Mk3s+) wouldn't make a big difference if any at all and this is probably the case for many operations where print speed is not the production bottleneck. Totally agree on the tinkering and maintenance part... everybody told us how the Vorons weren't good printers because of the time investment in building them and tuning them ... They are incredibly stable and run amazingly well for us on a longer maintenance window and just having them has saved us so much in terms of maintenance cost it's not even funny and well worth it.
@@FNmey what do you use the .1's for isnt the print size on them for the cost not worth it. where im from you can get a decent big printer SV06 plus or SV07 plus for the same price and these two can still print pretty quickly. Also is there a reason you use Tridents over 2.4's
@@ZFGFZDGDFG They are the perfect size for a couple of out products and are throughput-machines. We don't want full plates of parts while we are in the office for these products because they are pretty difficult prints and having a whole plate fail somewhere down the road would be super annoying on a larger printer. The V0s allow us to get closer to our ideal of single piece flow, to keep our throughput high and our risk low and we can have multiple in the same space one trident or v2.4 would take up giving us even more output.
Trident has been the more reliable platform in our experience and not having to service the flying gantry is a pretty decent plus as well. They are also cheaper and faster to build.
Must not have an Anker!
I built 10 vorons and they’ve been particularly unreliable. It might be because I went with the popular LDO kits.
I also built 10 HevORT’s and they have been extremely reliable. I think the suspended Z axis gantry design or the Voron is not great for serviceability, simplicity and reliability for a print farm. It also adds a lot of cost and complexity to the printed assembly parts, seems great for hobbyists but maybe not for a commercial setting.
Great video man, a bit of your insight into filament and the preferences/ applications that factor in on when and where to use what would be great! Have been loving your insight into printing!
I’ll be investing in one to assist jig and prototyping for my fabrication workshop :)
First video of you I've seen- that "... feeding your 3d printer a balanced meal..." line- yep, you got me. Subscribed immediately.
Thanks for the video 👍
I feel the post processing of the parts are always a small task that must eat so much time on the long run
They recorded using g10 garolyte print plates for self release of the print parts you can also automate the sequence of printer pushing part outside of the plate (the printer itself should stand tilted) . And well yeah using octoprint setup would save you a lot of time .
Have you ever looked into the 3D printer mods you can do to add a conveyor belt system to auto eject finished prints into a bin? I think there may be a few production 3D printers out there that have it, too. I can see it causing problems with bed adhesion but I think its a really cool concept and could speed up workflow tremendously.
5:37 you got me, and now i will gladly watch every second if that sponsor ad.
Push Plastic is a fantastic supplier. I got a roll a couple years ago just to try out and they almost immediately became my sole supplier. Almost every issue I might have during a print went away immediately.
Really great insights! I've also been a long time Push Plastics user - love their stuff.
"That'd be like building fine furniture with Home Depot 2x4's" .... this really drove the point home, great analogy
Wow that's some great insights! My BambuLab X1C is running fine after 2000 hours of commercial use. Sending print jobs over WiFi is a time saver for sure.
Great to hear!
@@ShopNation Yeah, given the availability and decent pricing of spare parts I'm confident to start a small print farm with those :)
Love it Shop Nation - this is the dream!
Good thing prusa just came out with official firmware update supporting remote management
Great and informative video, well presented and easy to follow! Thank you! There are other print farm channels that aren't nearly as helpful or realistic in their videos.
Kudos to a very well produced video. Yes, I agree as I sell on eBay and shipping is my bane! Shipping supplies take up so much room and because I have different size products I have to have many different size shipping supplies. I have to say also when I finally broke down and got a Rollo shipping label printer it made a massive difference in my shipping time.
Did I miss what fire suppression/extinguishing you use.
Also filament drying and storage for hydrophobic polymers (PC, Nylon, etc)
And what about using OctoPrint on each printer and OctoFarm centrally to manage all the OctoPrint servers? That's how I manage my smaller farm of 15 and its great control, efficiency reporting, print file mgt, etc
My best month on Etsy was 11k. It was a lot of work though not just popping prints off and putting them in a box and shipping. Had to clean them up and constantly check them and start the prints.
Very keen to watch your Bambu video. I have a P1S and it's superb for hobby level printing. Always wondered how it would go in a busy print farm. Those SD cards must drive you crazy!!! Wifi is the way to go
I have 25 P1Ss in my print farm and loving them. Plan on switching everything over to Bambu
On the last topic with replacing old printers, now (or last year) would be the time to do it to take advantage of bonus depreciation while you can.
Great video intro on the subject.
Really informative video. Quite a few of those points prompted some forward thinking on my end.
Would really like to hear your thoughts on the ongoing battle between the Prusa and Bambu flagship models.
It’s quite evident that Bambu is gaining traction amongst quite a few people.
Keep it up!
this is awesome! at the 5 minute mark ive noticed a high frequency sound in your video, most ppl might not notice it but it was driving me and my dog nuts lol
Thanks Travis!
I’m at 4 printers after 2 months, and I installed an extra circuit early. I got an air purifier and dehumidifier in 100aq foot. This room is was custom built in my garage with HVAC installed. I have a hard time keeping it below 40% humidity and less than 85 degrees.
Everything in this video is spot on!
Good primer video. Love the tips on shipping!
Just bought the air sensor you recommended. It’s important to remember that manufacturing requires considerations regarding health. Thanks for covering that.
Great and informative video. Thanks for sharing. Any idea on theestimated time for the DWS715 dust boot?? Anticipation is killin' me!
Great info, thanks - Chris
I'm upgrading my MK3+ to a Mk4 I didn't realize i had to print 40 hours worth of parts to do so. Love your channel! keep the vids coming
Buy the Mk4 kit, sell the Mk3. The upgrade makes no financial sense whatsoever.
Thanks for name dropping your filament company. I checked them out today and within mins they called me and they seem like an awesome company to work with. The new metal spool holders i saw in your video where did those come from?
I got two Bambu printers and I’m extremely impressed. They just run right out the box, they are a bit pricey but what you pay for in price you save in headaches.
just a perfect video, thanks
This is an excellent video. The best advice I can give in planning for future technology is to go with open source machines where a companies business model doesnt include you buying new printers everytime an upgrade comes out. Klipper has made it easy to take old tech and make it better. My ender 3 v2 print farm is just as good as any print farm with new machines today. New hotends, motor, firmware, etc can be swapped easily on an open source machine to bring it up to todays standards without having to completely replace the printer.
Basically this. We mostly run Vorons these days and I would never go with something proprietary at this point ... just not worth the hassle.
@@FNmey I feel the same way with a Voron vs a Bambu Labs, but the power of the assembled Prusa's is that you get a box in, and it's up and running in 30min to an hour (probably even less if your experienced). But building a Voron takes time and time=money, in the case of a Voron 2.4 it's a lot of time, thus a lot of money. Building 40 Vorons would take a TON of time, it would take over half a year of fulltime building (single person) to get them all up and running. That doesn't scale very well...
@@Cergorach And that is your right … however you might be off on a few points. For one we don‘t use the v2.4 for a multitude of reasons but even if we did 1/2 a year of a person building full time would be about 1000 hrs … taking 25hrs a printer for assembly and tuning? For us that number is off by a factor of 6-8. The throughput on the Vorons is also much higher than the Prusas (we have both) and dealing with Marlin is a pain. In the end it probably is to each their own.
Great video and great channel, thanks for posting these videos :) very interesting
I have a lot of knowledge about 3D printing since I'm an avid hobbyist with 10 different printers. I feel the need to concentrate on developing a product and use my skills to make money by printing. It's an exciting opportunity for me!
Push plastic is who i use here in Arkansas. They are a good bunch of guys.
Amazing valuable information. Nice video!
Congratulations on the farms success. That is awesome. Great info. Very well thought out
I'm building a small 3D resin print farm for minis and sculptures. Thanks for the info.
Awesome video!!! I have two printers, a CR-10 and Prusa Mini, both supporting my scale RC habit. Some of my designs have gone a little viral in the scale remote control community, and I have put a good amount of thought to doing a small-scale hustle with these parts. One large thing that keeps me from taking that step is the software I design in, Fusion 360. It is free for hobbyist, but as soon as I cross that etherical plain between hobbyist and merchant, the company that makes Fusion 360 will want their pound of flesh. This might be Tip #11, Design Costs.
Bro thx 4 this mega video!
Excellent video! I've worked with quite a few print farms such as your own and the most succesful ones tend to end up adding powder based 3D printing technologies to compliment their FDM farm. Adding MJF eventually would be my advise to help handle the parts with very complex geometry.
Got any recommendation on a specific printer here?
Running 10 printers you hit every point we ran into. The high speed printers is really the next question I think for print farms. How fast ? Quality ? Maintenance all something to look at. We ran a "test" print last week on a high speed printer VS our Toyotas and it was better than expected, but the last question will be, can these handle the long haul ? Guess only time will tell.
Hi. I am really looking forward to your video about the Bambu Lab machines. I have a couple of printers going and have been considering getting the Bambu Lab machines instead the higher print speeds is what intrigues me.
You could use the warm air to run a heat pump producing warm water more efficient.
You have arrived at a ratio of out of service printers to operational printers that is fairly constant. At that point is it worth have x spare printers to swap out when one goes down to keep your 40 constant? Then you work on the broken ones as needed. Or, potentially is the power of an unused printer to strong and you’d end up putting all 44? In service and be right back to where you are? Maybe you already have spares and I missed it.
seriously, if you print one object over and over again, think about modifying the gcode in a way that the printer knocks the object carefully of the plate, and restarts, or get some raspberry pi and use octoprint, you can connect 4 printers to one pi
I definitely would like to have multiple machines at some point; not sure if I'll go to the point you are, but who knows, I've determined to base it off demand so we'll see. Definitely lots of good tips here either way though, things I'll try to keep in mind as I go
Thanks Travis
Have you checked out the Qidi models? Specifically the Tech X-Plus 3. It is only $700, looks fast, has a xy gantry and a heated chamber...A lot of youtubers seem to like it...I thinking about making it be my first 3D printer.
Sounds great, the only thing I would personally change is… using a dedicated high end computer as Klipper server where every printer is connected to.
I saw you have a lot of leftover filament in the spools, do you merge all those together? If you have any industrial oriented solution to that, please make a video about it. Stacking filament leftovers has become a nightmare for me, and I am too lazy to solder it into single spools.
Just to dispel some misconceptions:
1:24 All of it. Litteraly all of the power turns into heat(eventually). So does all of the electricity consumed by any other appliance. Except for maybe tiny bit of power when cooking goes into breaking complex carbohydrates.
1:38 No, the don't. The power consumption isn't everything. How much heat is escaping the printers is more important. During heatup, the heatbed is cold(er) = less heat energy gets transvered into the surrounding air. The extra power during heatup goes into heating up the heatbed, not surrounding air.
Best cut to sponsor on CZcams. 😂
9:22 if your printers have an ethernet port, use that, or if you have USB you could try usb to ethernet adapter, or you could probably get raspberry pies and use octoprint and connect it to a lan network. or put klipper on raspberry pie and create a local LAN file sharing server. These are just ideas man i dont know if it would work but maybe it can help you!
The white stuff is antimony trioxide, not caprolactam. Wikipedia has plenty of mention of this compound in PETG, whereas no mention of caprolactam can be found whatsoever.
Well thank god Wikipedia knows!
I love the 3D Printing Videos
"sit back, Pre-heat your nozzles..." hahahaha Genius!
One of the best things I added to my printers is a controller (octoprint) so I can upload jobs instead of copying to a SD card. Adding a tiny bit of automation could improve productivity in a print farm, especially a large print farm. Not really sure why you consider it a hack.
Mk4 has Connect and wifi. Perfect for farm. Queues, telemetry, cameras…
Hello, very good video! I see that they use 1 UPS for every 3 printers, how many watts are they? Greetings from Uruguay
I have a suggestion to save you down time on maintanence and repairs, convert you x carriage over to mount to a wham bam mutant v2 system. when one goes down you pop the lever remove that carriage and instantly pop the new one on. then you have a machine that is dedicated on the side to use to do hot end repair and swaps and calibrations on the wham bam mutant v2 plate once you have it fixed just put it away so its ready to swap out as a nother one needs swapped out. i hope this makes sense, i have 2 printers now that i have converted to wham bam and its so nice being able to swap it over to another plate that has a hot end ready to go or even if I want to swap over to a different nozzle size for some reason. just saying if you did this you would never have a printer down again and it would also be away to do your maintanence routine. you could obviously lubricate and what not your machines as usual but then just refresh the carriage with a new hotend and move to the next alot quicker. let me know if you need me to explain better. no i do not have an affiliation with the wham bam company I just enjoyed this video and information you provided and saw a way to possibly help you improve you work flow.
There was a youtube channel testing air pollution from 3d printing and his conclusion was that 3D printing mostly produces PM1.0 sized particulate and not much of the larger sizes (PM2.5 and PM10). It sounds like PM1.0 is not good for you but it's not apparent that you're exposed to it (no smell, etc).
Just got the bambu lab P1S and I've very interested in your findings regarding their reliability. I work as a manufacturing engineer so the lean manufacturing concepts make sense when it comes to print farms. I only have 4 printers right now but still struggling to find the niche product I can design.
We seem to be somewhat of an outlier in that regard but we've had nothing but trouble with both of our bambu test printers and parts availability was a huge issue back then. Hope they have fixed that by now... In the end we went back to what we knew (since out Vorons are already plenty fast and produce amazing prints)
Most products you can sell revolve usually about hobbies and a problem it can solve for people (who have that hobbies). So try more stuff
All the printers this guy is using are basically toys. Just like the bambu printers.
@@padel24x7 It's been like that. I design things for my personal needs and find out others need it. I like to CAD so designing unique models is nice.
@@FNmey The parts issues look to be mostly solved now, theres a ton of spares on their shop now, at least on the UK one. Theres also been a lot of 3rd party parts showing up on aliexpress recently, I think its got to the point where theres now enough customers using them for 3rd parties to justify making parts for it.
I've had family members suggest I start selling stuff, but I'm not sure I'd really want to, I don't really have the space and I really don't have the time either. That said, there are print services out there so maybe I could use one of them rather than run my own farm.
Great video!! good production, well organized, straight to the point, detailed explanation but at the same not too long for each part. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ad a little long tho
It would be nice if you talked more about the profit, might I know how much could we make a month?
I suggest looking to outsource the packaging. I think Amazon and UPS offer that. If you do the numbers and it is cheaper than hiring an employee I would go with that.
I also figured it may even be cost effective to outsource the entire operation to a farm house like slant 3D and just collect a royalty check. Like I would rather take 30% and just do the design rather than 40% and do all the work myself. You never get 100% because of all the costs, investment and risk.
@8:18 Wow. You're working on the F35? That's awesome! 😁
😂
So which filament brands do you recommend ?
Man when you get some Klipper machines in there and use the built in web interface you're going to save so much time over sneakernet.
Being able to upload a new print file and being able to re-print files from the web interface is great.
No raspberry pi. Just plug machine into lan or (with newer machines) use the built in WiFi connection. Each machine gets an IP address, you can even assign them in order of the room layout if you set static ip for each machine.
Subbed to see that Bambu Lab video 👍
Why not use OctoFarm to manage and record the printer files, filament and get advance notice of completion?
Throw out the Prusa and get Bambu...speed and power consumption are much more effective, you can calculate it yourself, take the power consumption and the number of parts printed in a time and you won't look bad.
Oh how I hated dealing with duplicating and with SD cards. Went so far as to build a duplicator myself because I had time but not money :D by now we run everything with either octoprint (for our few leftover marlin machines) or a custom implementation ontop of Moonraker (for our klipper machines). As a DevOps engineer I am terrible about scope creep but this was really worth it, especially since we can now start integrating our farm into our business management software.
have you ever used the sonic pad/anything similar for a print farm and if not is there a reason not to?
@@ZFGFZDGDFG We generally don't use any of those as we have our own Klipperinterface and I am a DevOps engineer by trade so setting up systems and maintaining them isn't scary or difficult for me. They aren't bad probably but generally quite expensive and not really that great in out specific context.
It's definitely worth it to run this way. The scalability of SD cards is so low with this amount of 3d printers 😂
Many of the new features are useless if they are not reliable. Something to note about CAD type machines. The dumber computer wise, the less upsets the machines seem to have. Using SD cards is a great idea towards this. The only real upgrade for Prusa style printers is making them faster reliably and lowering the first layer headaches.
Instead of the aircon and the purifier I'd run one or two greenhouse fans. These need a hole in the wall or the window, but they energy efficient, cheap, and fairly quiet, but most importantly they can replace all the air (and any breathable contaminants within, and most of the heat generated by the machines) in less than a minute. Look for the ones that look a bit like an airplane turbine.
You got me, good plug.
Can you do an update video on what you have learned about maintenance. Frequency and what you use?
I use anycubic or creality. it depends on if im just needing a big fast printer or a cheaper more relieable printer.
Out of curiosity: have you considered putting the printers in enclosures? Should make them more reliable, and help with heating / cooling / VOCs issues. Prusa sells an enclosure for the mk3 but they also have a free design.
Former reliability engineer? This video makes much more sense. I'm a product engineer. I feel your pain.
I would have thought that using something like Octoprint to manage your printers would have been much better than printing off SD card.
It would have. This guy is a beginner who pretends to be an expert. :D
Is that a UPS along side your printers at 11:25 or are you driving 3 printers from 1 pc?