Hip Turn In The Golf Swing: How Much And When
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- čas přidán 12. 04. 2018
- If some is good, then a lot must be better. That's how a lot of golfers we've talked to view the hip turn in their golf swing. And it makes sense UNTIL you start to consider the time restrictions we ALL have to deal with in our swings.
In this video, we're going to take a look at this topic in a very practical way that might make more sense to you if you could use being more open at impact. - Sport
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Great info. Thanks guys.
This is great ....I watched Tyrell Hatton win the BMW at the weekend and he had very little hip turn and even though he's not the longest hitter he was very good and straight.
Hey guys. I have a big overseeing with the driver and can't stop it. Any suggestions on how to do this. Also, if I shorten the swing, how do I then create power. I'm finding it all a bit hard to change and I really want too. Many thanks. Ian
Great information ! thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching, BB
Very interesting, finding your swing, is not trying to be somebody else, but being the best you physically can be , good video.
You're speaking golf gold there, Andrew! Thanks for watching.
I've watched the video again and tried Limited hip turn on the range and I'm sure that these guys are correct. I'm just amazed that I can't find anyone else on the Internet saying it .
How many people in the internet are measuring? 😉
My god, this was my problem for years. I only realized last year and my striking has improved 1000% since, and my handicap is plummeting.
How’d you fix it? I have that same problem
Hi - thanks for the video - please check the audio - the mic sounds like it is placed on the other side of the room
...hey guys. So would it be safe to say on the little "lesser back to get more open at impact" and to not..say.."spin out" ahead of the arms and get stuck while having some left arm depth... would perhaps be to obviously keep the right arm in front of the body of course, but moreso bring the right side definitely MORE FORWARD? ..as I've spent most of my life trying to everything from "behind" the ball..and not as much say "on top". .if that's true....I suppose now I understand why in fact they right hip stays more back while clearing?
Judging by the avatar’s smooth swing, the hand flip and the high and smooth, finish I’d say the model golfer in this video is Boom Boom Freddy! :)
Can you review sequencing? Sometimes i don't know if my hips are too ahead of my chest or shoulders ahead of my hands, etc. Knowing which moves to make first and how far between on the downswing would be great.
Yes we can... great idea👍
Nice! Great vid here. Freedom of motion yes but reversing no. Given no reverse, I don't know if over hip rotation is possible right? Certainly not free moving if it is..
Would tend to agree with you there, Rob. When done right, can't recall ever seeing over rotated hips. But see a ton of over turned hips on the reg.
In your previous video on pros vs Ams swing rotation, your Am player went from 43 degrees closed at the top to 12 degrees open at impact. Your pro player went from 39 degrees closed at the top to 42 degrees open at impact. Would have have advised the amateur to turn less in the back swing to better match the pros impact position?
Great question, EF. I don't remember the specifics of that player or even who it was, but if we are just looking at the face value hip rotation numbers and assuming he doesn't have any serious hitch keeping it from being better... yes he needs more open at impact. If his max capacity is at those 55 degrees, he would mostly benefit from having more of that on the other side of impact. Keeping in mind that the torso will be closed to the hips, the shoulders closed to the torso, and the club path right of the shoulders. That doesn't leave many playable alignments by the time you get down to the club face.
How do you square this information with a full shoulder turn. Not having very good section segmentation, the more my shoulders turn to the top it seems the deeper my trail hip gets, well past 45 degrees. Straightening the rear leg also adds to the deep turn. So how do you get a full shoulder turn but only let the rear hip go back about 30 degrees? I guess one way would be to keep more flex in the rear leg? Again, thanks.
Good question, Paul. Let's be clear... we aren't advocating a 30 deg backswing turn as the solution... just that we can't expect a max turn going back and then a modestly open body at impact if we're rotating past our ability to cover that distance in the downswing. The actual numbers will vary from player to player.
You are correct. Deeper turn from deeper hips and straighter leg will help a golfer get their shoulders more turn... now the question becomes what happens from there? Because none of those things are bad by themselves... especially if you are getting your shots to go towards your target.
👋 guys, I have a moderate lack of flexibility issue with the upper body going back which leads me to have poor hand depth at top of backswing. I have coaches telling me that I need that increased hip rotation (currently at around 50-60*) going back to help get the hand depth that I’m lacking a the top. I tend to push the hands and club out toward the ball to start the transition, and those same coaches are telling me that’s the lack of hand depth causing that. Would decreasing the hip rotation like you advocate here actually decrease my hand depth even more? If not, how do I get more hand depth with a decreased proper hip turn of closer to 45* like y’all mention? Thanks 🙏
Good question, I’d like to know the answer to this also.
is that why guys like Rahm and Holmes hit the ball so far with a "short" backswing? Their hips are more open on the downswing? I guess I have to ask but DJ has a very long backswing and his hips are wide open at impact. Is that because he is an athletic freak?
No, seriously , that is totally me on the backswing to the top; something to ponder. Cheers, boys, two out of three martini olives for this video.
Cheers🍸
It seems if I feel a little lag in transition my timing is a lot better. Feels like it gives me that extra split second to get that couple of degrees more rotation to get that ever elusive shaft lean.
Love it!
Rotational degrees for backswing-shoulders,hips,knees for driver and irons. Thanks
Driver - Sh89, Hp35, Kn22
Iron - Sh78, Hp33, Kn23
Does that help?
Awesome! So we want the hips to be more open then thay have bin closed? Does that matter or is it more of geting like atleast 20° or what that number is.
Btw your mice is closed @ impact -20°, still love you videos thou.
Younger fitter guys with have the numbers basically the same on both sides... 30-30, 40-40, etc. That's not gonna be possible for everyone. I'd say yes to both... If you can get more open than closed, that would be good. Or get to at least 20 open. Keeping in mind that everything above it is going to be incrementally more closed.
Athletic Motion Golf thanks!
I’ve found in my swing that I’m really not turning at all in my backswing with my hips. It doesn’t click to me where I should start turning my hips in the backswing
Think about turning your shoulders to 90 degrees on the right plane and don’t worry about your hips turning back. Your hips will be roughly half your shoulder turn. Shoulder turn governs the hips.
Top teachers in the world are saying turn more in the backswing with hips etc, I guess I will try this way then
Tell mike there is something wrong with his club. There is a weird black dot in the sweet spot. Must be wrong cause mine don't have that....
We digitally enhance all sweet spots, lol
I hear quite nothing about the „when“ in the downswing concerning the „rotation under“, what you mentioned shortly in another Video.
Can you be more specific by what you mean with "rotation under"?
Athletic Motion Golf Video How to stop slicing at 5:00“ Hands underneath the turn“
I'm with you now... Getting the hands under the turn is referring to the shoulder turn, not the hip turn. Does that help at all?
Absolutely, thanks for clearing that out. But what I mean is, how is the relationship between the movement of the arms and the hips? Ok, by weight shift the arms starting downwards, but how much down are the arms, when the hips start to turn? Is there a point, where the arms are behind the right hip in the downswing? Like skipping a stone. Or do the hips lead the arms through the turn in front of the body ? A bit complicated, hope you understand what I mean. Maybe it is worth a separate video.
Would like to see more of the avatar’s swing with the degrees showing!
Agreed. They've gotten away from that. I'd also like to see actual video of the golfers making the wrong moves. In this case, the 60 degree hip turner in the backswing. As mentioned already, they need new microphones.
I'd like to know who they are That will be key. Not one swing is the same
What would you like to see more of from that swing, John? Rotational degrees?
We just got a comment saying we must think amateur golfers are dumb because we only show what they do wrong... and you're asking to see videos of what they do wrong, lol.
One of the reasons we like the gears avatar over the videos of golfers making the "wrong move" is for the simple reason that no one gets ridiculed or harassed. That's happened in the past, unfortunately. We do have loads more of the swing evaluations we'll be posting from swings that folks have sent in.
Yes, they are not the same which is why we don't have a model and don't say who they are. We choose swings to show who represent what most do. We look for the commonalities and show those. There are multiple elements of the swing that all or very nearly all good golfers do... that's of interest and valuable to our day-to-day teaching and that's what we'll make videos on. The outliers are interesting, but they we don't see them helping that many golfers.
too much echo in the audio. Hard to understand what's being said particularly when both are talking at once....
Please improve the sound, the room has no sound buffering
It feels like these elements are joined to the swing methodology you're presenting. How you have developed a loading concept, transition, and now impact are all interwoven. There are a TON of elite , extremely powerful, ball strikers that are 45 degree, or more, open with there hips at impact. They present a bent right elbow with little face rotation before, during and after impact. This nets in a near zero path and options with the face. Their hands disappearing low and left into the body. I do have one ask: ***** You guys need a swing model, show your pro or pic a pro. Make two videos. One using DTL analysis, and one Face On. Lets put some your 3d work into 2d views for a visual perspective we can create at home. You guys rock, thank you!
Thanks, Jballoregon, and you're exactly right... all these elements are tightly interwoven. They have to be, right? The swing is just too short time-wise for them not to be. The idea of a model is something that we have purposely avoided. For everyone one guy who would fit the model, there'd be 9 who didn't. What we're most interested in when working with a player is to get the shape of their swing good (on plane) and get their body moving dynamically. Those are our cornerstones and they leave a fair amount of room for how it would look given the player doing the swinging.
Most golfers have something they do really well inside that 1 second... their cape. We never want to cut off Superman's cape, lol.
Yes, the avatar is worth a thousand words....that left screen.
The left knee swing out from the top looks to be the key to opening that left hip up....comment?
Definitely a part of it
Bubba Watson is plenty turned with hips on backswing, so are many of the past greats.
Give yourselves time in the transition folks.
Thomas Davico true, but again that’s why they’re on tour and that’s why they are the greats. Common average golfers that play maybe 2-3 times a month are not going to achieve that lol
Shame about the acoustics.
You need microphones.
... or some way to make is sound like you aren't inside a tin can.
How does bubba do it!?
Can you be more specific?
Athletic Motion Golf cover so many degrees of hip turn from start to impact
How many degrees does he cover?
Athletic Motion Golf looks like a lot more than 50° with the driver, I’d guess closer to around 90° coverage total?
That's probably a pretty good guess. He moves everything faster than our Champions Tour player example, and most players for that matter.
Hey, Hogan got it all, please comment.
Not sure I follow, Alexander... can you elaborate on what you mean?
Hogan had a huge hip turn on the backswing, and was way open thru impact, certainly not minimal
and his swing was fast, helped by his vicious pivot.
Okay. Those are all great things and we see them quite often with PGA Tour players... they move faster and can cover more ground. Is the assumption that we don't like those things?
I can’t help but feel like you guys are often annoyed with amateur golfers and their common swing faults. You could have explained having less open hips in the backswing allows you to open up at impact in about 10 seconds. Instead the whole video was about how dumb amateurs are and how they do it wrong. The objective stuff is good info, but I start to question wether or not you guys enjoy what you do or if you’re just getting sick of amateurs not getting it right. Perhaps supplement the information with a drill so we don’t just feel stupid. Please take this as constructive criticism. I do plan on remaining subscribed and only wish for your videos to improve over time.
It's very hard to take that as constructive criticism with you yelling at us in your avatar😆
We love what we do, period. Why would the four of us who teach full time and travel all over for tour events get together and decide to spend our "after hours" time making free videos for people who annoy us? With that logic, it sounds like we're the ones being called dumb.
Every day, we see way more poor concepts keeping golfers from improving than a lack of drills. We're fortunate to have access to information and players that aren't readily accessible to golfers. We want to share, for free, as much of that as we can. The "what" and the "when" is massively important. Those are key to the success of our in-person lessons and it's what we wanted to bring to this channel.
You said, You could have explained having less open hips in the backswing allows you to open up at impact in about 10 seconds.
I agree, I have seen a couple of vides from these two and I don't like them. However I think I have find this very useful. But as you said, it could have been a lot quicker and cleaner, and better sound. One of the old guys, Hogan, Hagen, Sneed, said " most golfers would benefit from a shorter backswing and longer follow through" -
I’ve found in my swing that I’m really not turning at all in my backswing with my hips. It doesn’t click to me where I should start turning my hips in the backswing
Are they turned at the top?
Athletic Motion Golf only slightly. I turn them coming through but really at the top it looks like I haven’t moved them at all
They gradually start turning right from the start of the takeaway.