Hi Rob, noticed this a couple of time, think should make you aware. when you measure the current it does not provide the power because you are comparing it to the open-circuit voltage. When you short circuit it to measure the current you essentially get close to zero voltage. therefore the power is in the nano Watts or Pico Watts. The best true reading is to use a load which can give you the real power as it will match the true impedance of the motor. It is a nice concept but for the industry to take it on board with any seriousness then the size to power consumption would need to be a lot better. Good experiment but that is about all. Consider setting up a load, even a small battery or LED as you have in the past. LED give a constant voltage with variable current and is a good cheap measurement source, measure both the current and voltage at the same time. Keep it up though they are really interesting ideas.
Many electrostatic generators give constant current regardless of output voltage (as long as not sparking over and the speed remains constant). But some generators, I think this one in particular, only output full current when the output is above a certain voltage.
@@dmitrylavrov5267 The way I like to think of it is that these machines is that they will supply a current at whatever voltage is necessary to push that current through the resistance of the system as long as the required voltage is less than what it takes to for plates the start arcing between each other and effectively short out the generator internally. If you design for that, you can make your geny push out a lot of power. Simply, it means that these machines have an optimum output and everything outside of that is inneficient. What's the optimum output? -> Select your output current via your rotational speed then match the load to force the voltage.
Good job Robert, every time i watch your grass roots inventing things, thinking out of what has become a very crowded box for new ideas, men like yo created the world we know, keep up the good work.
Just sat here with my jaw dropped for I don't know how long. That is amazing. That is just totally amazing! Thank you, Sir, for sharing this with us. Unbelievable. I can't believe I stumbled upon this channel. What luck! All the best!
That's astonishing Robert! Thank you so much for sharing. What comes to mind is how thin that device is and how much thinner it can be as well as how modular it is.
@@ThinkingandTinkeringsorry to hijack the comment. A comment under my video "3D print energy: triboelectric nanogenerator TENG" directs me to your video. Our TENG field has many devices like yours and you should definitely check into our field. Please come and see my video and see whether you like it. I bet you will. (I am not sure whether I am supposed to post link in the comment)
this is very similar to a hybrid electric motor i designed a while back. works as a induction motor and a generator. perfect for recyling energy and keeping an electric vehicle on the road a lot longer.
you can stack a ton of these and use a gear assembly to increase turn speed to perhaps increase its efficiency for the space it takes up, its an awesome build, supremely simple. although another thought occurs to me, you could hook up some of these to a motorbike with option manual pedalling. manual pedal to generate power and then run the bike off of battery later.
Damn Rob.. I sat here stunned for at least 75 seconds after viewing this.. This is incredible.. with some ink and plastic you generated a currant.. my mind is a flood with half thought questions and ideas.. I can hardly form the right questions to ask.. energy is so easy to produce "carbon and motion" What is this thing we call energy? why do we struggle so to produce it with grand machines and buildings of giant proportions.. there must be much simpler ways to do this.. I wish I had it all to do over again.. I would (like you) take the road less traveled and explore the grand things we left behind us in the wake of money making.. Carry on my brother you are lighting a fire that might save us eventually.. Some of these young minds out there are sharper than we ever were.. and thy can (if they can over come the desire for money) help the world be free from so many of the things that bind us these days.. Well I am jabbering and my poor mind has a hard time putting into words the thoughts in my head.. thanks my friend.. You are a spark..
@@your_utube Oh yeah... imagine that.. That would drive some of these self righteous, know everything, young yuppie types up a wall.. But I am sure they would find something to whine about though.. good call my brother.. positive carbon.. I like that..
Conventional electrical generators are very efficent and really not the bottleneck on cheap power. Something has to make that rotational engergy that's being converted in the first place, almost always a heat engine of some kind (which need lots of fuel), though occasionally something like a wind turbine. This is a clever novelty and is potentially shows a really easy to build electrostatics demonstration though.
@@FireStormOOO_ "a heat engine ... though occasionally wind". What is wind if not the result of enormous amounts of energy derived from the power of the sun?
I've been on this study while I drive to do Mold scrubs. Something perplexing about Magnets taking electrons and it becoming something visible as well as energy!
Thanks for this. I’ve long wondered about the relationship between electrostatic electrickery and that which we work with every day; AC and DC. This is starting to fill in the gaps but would very much like to know more.
And the Hive mind kicks in again...amazing Robert....but I have been thinking about your Tesla turbine and it spun at what 35k rpm ...much higher than a drill
Hi Rob if you take a old piezo buzzer and press the surface you can get 3volt . This principle is used for small mechanical energy devices. Many thanks again.
Robert you are onto something here. I tried some ideas along the lines of printing electrostatic conduction paths some decades back. I should have pursued it a bit further. 1. With higher resolution printing, you can make this smaller and stack them (i think some other comments agree with this too) and put them in all sorts of combinations of series and parallel. 2. At a smaller size and precise balacing (which would be possible with no wires), you can try spinning this with a Tesla turbine at insanely higher speeds 3. How about reducing air drag by chucking the whole assembly into a vacuum? Great one indeed! IMAGINE THAT - LOOK MA, NO WIRES! Really interested to see where your fruitful and productive mind will take this. Plasti-carbon generator.
So.... if this were a huge span, would that increase voltage/amperage significantly? Perhaps you could have multiple rings of printed media on one disc, run in parallel, (or series) to produce much greater values. Stunning!
It would be great if you could add some links when referring to stuff, like your other video or some of the devices you mentioned. Cheers for sharing these very interesting explorations.
Even if this isn't very energy dense, if its cheap enough, one could make huge arrays and put them in the ocean. The ocean has massive amount of energy, the problem is usually that it wears everything down. But with this simple design, theres less to go wrong. See if you can make it water sealed, and if you can think of a way to adapt it to waves. I imagine an anchor, the geny, a springed pully, attached to a float (which the surface carries up and down) but someone could probably think of a better geometry/design. All the best Robert! ❤
This coupled with the Tesla turbine , I'm sure the electro statics of the vortex swirling water might also be tapped. I like the way you think Rob , keep up the good work.
Not the most compact energy source, but definitely the cheapest! Im guessing wood would work as well. If very dry, damp wood may not work as well, put as bout 100 in series, and charge a phone, it's amazing, more amazing than starting a fire with two sticks! Awesome work!
i said the same in the previous video but i don't think the brushes and paint would last very long. still something i'd like to see though, it would be pretty cool!
I thought of this too, I'd love to see a sample try even at blowing compressed air at the edge instead of just having a cordless drill at the center. There should be enough force to turn it a lot if there's no torque requirement on it.
And what are you going to use to generate that 25k rpm? Lets be realistic he's using a cordless drill which is likely somewhere between 12v to 18v to generate 2.1v. That's not a lot out for what was being put in. Don't get me wrong I'm fascinated by this contraption, but at some point reality has to kick in and in order to make this viable the input would have to be some kind of wind or wave turbine, or other naturally occurring energy source. I'm not sure your going to get that kind of input energy from these. Still it's great to see real people trying alternative forms of energy generation, and the rate at which we're going through the planets resources we need people like this, so good on him for experimenting and I wish him every success.
@@badgerint the drill is just to see what the top end output would look like. In practice, after you hook several of these together, you could hook it up to anything that turns a wheel: water, wind, a bicycle, whatever. This is just a minimal base concept device meant for testing out some ideas. You don't want to overcomplicate things at this stage, just target the unknowns being investigated. In this case the questions being asked isn't "Is the power output more powerful than the drill," it's "Does the ink have the capability to replace the metal parts", "How much greater or less will the power output be?", "How fast does the wheel need to turn in order for the device to generate just enough of a noticeable power output", "Does turning faster generate enough of a power increase to be worth the effort to maximize spin in later interactions", and possibly get a rough estimate as to how long the ink will remain intact? Is it more or less durable than metal. That's why you WANT to use a drill at this stage. You need a reliable driver so you can do the math property on the unknowns being tested at this stage The actual driver would be a separate build that needs to be developed for its own optimizations after its own unknowns have been investigated. Once that's done you can do integration tests with the two. The only thing the two need to communicate to each other is that they are working on the same dimensions. This device was built with an axle that would fit the drill. Any device using the same axle dimensions can also be used to turn this iteration of the device if need be later on. But all that is very far down the line from what has to happen at this stage. Sorry for the length of this reply. Please don't consider it a rant, rather a pleasant mind dump info overshare :)
when I read the title I was thinking it would be graphite maybe, like a pencil but carbon paint is interesting too. Got me pondering all the possible carbon materials.
In a small way your making the basis of a Whimshurst Machine which used additional storage capacitors to hold the charge. Dielectric charges of the plastic will have a big effect on the output potentials, so experimenting with the disk insulator material may reveal some improvements. Also wider carbon tracks should add more current. Making special shaped patterns to increase carbon ink track surface area, may assist with more current output. Series wired disk outputs on a single shaft to get say 12 volts should not be hard, once the current comes up to a more useful figure. As inefficient as it is for real power generation, it may have some useful purpose in micro power applications.
I been working on my own experiments all day and I kept thinking about this video and just kept thinking about it. My experiment is a plasma generator but I have done a lot of experimental work with things like Vandegraaff generators and latex works great. Instead of just using plexiglass although it looks great being transparent it is not the best dielectric for the job alone. The plexiglass is actually very negative which is great on the negative side but an opposite material is a voltage differences like glass or Teflon the latex can be a mediator see the power of the device you are showing holds it's energy in the dielectric like a film capacitor. So if the rotation wheel at the center is sandwiched between lets say glass and plastic or Teflon and plastic it will improve voltage a whole lot. Later maybe instead of the ink you can use some of your knowledge of graphene to maybe do the stripes with a single layer so that all the carbon holes are filled and discharged quickly and hold more current at a voltage you will probably want the ink only at were your brush makes contact or comes close to the stripes to discharge. Oh well I hope I can be of some help. Don't have to give up on the printing idea also because it's a great idea and the plastic can be coated with the Teflon and the wheel with the latex. Instead of one volt you may get hundreds... Current will be the biggest challenge but it can be done. Nice video!
absolute proof of Pressure Mediation .... Frequency, Bandwidth and polarity based of course... Fantastic video showing the secrets of energy kept from the masses. Imagine what the ancients had...
this is actually revolutionary if u think about it! its made of plastic so it can be 3D printed with an adapter on the 3D printer for the ink cartridge u will need a fine nozzle though
While the applications for such a low power generator are limited, I do generally find these sorts of things facinating, particularly if applied in developing countries. Microwatts aren't useful for a huge amount, but for driving small LEDs for navigating in the dark they could potentially be quite helpful and likely save a few broken ankles, particularly if you're already carting loads, such as jugs of water, which is quite common in those areas already. A two wheeled dolly with a simple and cheap string pulley could easily get a fast enough RPM to at least provide a little light even without a battery or capacitor. Of course with a decent inline capacitor one could store the energy from the trip one way and use it on the other with minimal losses, though that assumes they'd be returning at night, which is only made viable by having this light in the first place, making it something of a solution making its own problem. Though could be valuable insofar as keeping people out of the midday sun and having portions of their gathered water vapourise off while they travel.
You aren't thinking big enough. Since these things, once mass produced, will be almost literally "A dime a dozen," they can be stacked... "To the MOON, Alice!"
Without permanent magnets does not necessarily mean without magnetic field. All charges in motion generate some magnetic field. The improvement may come in designing how the charges are isolated, collected, and moved.
Interesting idea, any ideas on how you can stimulate some more amps on it? As it is static? Different plastic? Or adding rubber strips (from bicycle tyres) in between each painted surface. Maybe poles will be more isolated and the charge will be more concentrated? Very nice 🤔👍🏼
The only downside I can see is the brushes wearing away the ink. i.e making two parts that are moving, have electrical contact and not producing wear. I was trying to think of ways to avoid that but sadly I realise I'm not that smart lol. Obviously a 'frictionless' static motor just becomes a wheel once the friction is lost :P . Then again if they can be made cheap enough, they could lbe seen as disposable motors that you would replace when they wear out and then recycle them. Definitely food for thought, which is what I know this channel is about. You got me on this one :D :D
Probably a good idea to use multiple compact discs and use a compact disc motor to drive it . That should make it very easy to drive and if you paint the discs with graphene oxide you can use the laser scribe engraver to create all the pickups and conductors! 👍🏻 i wonder if the discs are over lapping each other if the effect is the same ?
I would also love to see what a stack of these would do, I tink it's awesome Sir, never seen nothing like this before try putting 10 stacks or with wind blades😊👍 make it be wind generated
Your a "business man". By that I mean, with a little effort, Will, and vision... One can establish businesses with the knowledge you share. I genuinely appreciate that you don't give one a fish... But... that you teach one to fish. The invaluability of the knowledge you share, scares me. If and when I make a product due to the knowledge you have imparted, I have already vowed to proclaim to the world "It is Robert Murray Smith to be thanked, not me".
Maybe if paint was like silicon, therefore every other painted in strokes of opposing directions (p-type paint and n-type paint) might then give an AC output. Maybe if instead of the breaker / buffer line in ink, a line in electrolite ink? You might have made a large version of what is realy happening to elements within an electronic componant- be it a battery, capacitor or any other.... Thanks for another fantastic build!!
I love conductive ink, but it’s so expensive, at least the small tube I got is. I like this design as I can see it placed in a hydro solution somewhere remote. I don’t see how the components would receive wear. Very nice passive power, even if the power density is low. 👍
You could add a few plastic discs to anything that rotates. It could be barely noticeable and produce electricity. (I hadn’t realized there was a polarity. cool!)
How about doing this in layers using a Tesla turbine configuration??? Maybe we can boost up the voltage and and amperage to do some work and use capacitors and and a few transistors and if you can bring it to the amperage of a small battery and hold that steady enough so the voltage doesn't drop to less than 1.2 volts... I am low balling it and I think it can be done to do a lot better. Great video! Love that you shared it.
15,000 of these in parallel that are also in series with another 15,000 will be enough to power one LED if the voltage and amperage dont decrease under load. Considering it takes about 1.7 volts and about 15 mA. This makes 1v at 0.0001 mA
@@dustinsmith8341 It is a prototype so the performance is not the best it can be considering 90 plus percent of it is carbon in one form or another makes it extremely interesting.
@Barskor1 Absolutely. I just wanted to put a little perspective on the current(hehe) model. If one of these could get to 1mA or maybe even 5mA, then it would be dramatically more useful, and yes I do believe there is loads of improvements that can be made to this.
This video reminded me of a Wimshurst machine someone made that was roughly a 4ft disk as the base. It produced 750-1000kv of electricity... unsure what the current draw would be, I assume not much.
Hello Sir! I’m a new subscriber and am amazed at how much you’ve done! If you were to stack this idea, would the neutralizer bar go on each alternating panel?
You can get almost a full volt by a gentle hand crank? Think about it, between this and the graphite dry cell, you can basically make a hand mill to generate 2H and 2O with. That's kind of mind blowing, even if we're talking low output.
Hey some time ago I made an electrostatic nanogerator, just with teflon plate, two sided tape, a piece of aluminum and some PCB copper plate, and it had enough power to make a LED to blink, just with 9 cm² of effective contact surface
I didn't one, I think it was a merely curious device, and then I found some papers about similar devices, but probably is worthy to make one and improve the generator
Nice..but you're using copper and magnets in any kind of motor used to turn that..maybe stack multiple discs and use wind or water to turn. Nice work to think about..glad you're bringing an ancient idea back to life so to speak.
This is awesome! Cant wait to see what you can do with this idea! I looked for this conductive ink and what I am finding more of is Platinum Carbon Ink and was wondering if it is better, worse or really just the same ink?
I would like to see you do some experimentation with a faraday disc. You could introduce a high voltage static input to the faraday disc, so the output will be high voltage AND high current generator, putting out more watts, then what is being used to rotate the machine. 🤠👍⭐⭐⭐
So how can we add the generator and the Tesla coil disc in a car where would we install it to make it work I keep getting a visual under the car where the tires would be and it also eminates a violet light 🚨 under the car and it looks like a fan under the car it may even gravitate
Could you use the same idea behind your Archimedes screw and have multiple discs that turn from water or wind, or would that disrupt the electrostatic?
Could you add multiple pancakes to the stack ? How much would generate from 2 of the same rotating on the same axel ? What is the thickness of the plastic and paint ?
how big would it have to be, or what would need to be scaled up to make a more usable voltage/amperage? Same size but multiple disks in series and then in parallel with another identical device?
instead of using neutralizers with brushing tip can we instead connect opposing plates with reed switches that will close with magnet? so that we'd get rid of brushes all together. what's the potential between two plates ready to get neutealized?
Neat project, Dr. Smith! Have you connected one of your homemade capacitors to it, charged it up, and then run your little electric motor to see how long it will run?
There are so many ways electrostatics can be adapted to produce workable voltages with currents able to power everyday devices. I am reminded that lightning itself is generated from static charges, there is a lot of power in a single bolt of lightning so static electricity devices have huge potential. Use gears, uses stackable versions, whatever, just don't lose sight of the potential.
agreed. mate also the high voltage can be used directly for lighting for example and in electrostatic motors - personally I believe electrostatics needs more research
have you heard about shadow effect generators?And try out your graphine ink for this phenomena. A differential set up by light and shadow creates a voltage (in a silicon wafer coated with gold i think it was)
Very interesting, what do you think the feasibility is of a aerogel solid state battery? you seem to be able to grasp these different ideas without disregarding any.
I think for what you have in building it...it is really great. Stacking these on a single axle would be awesome multiplied current! Will the results differ if wooden disk are made? I have wood but not the plastic you have.
I am not sure about wood mate it becomes conductive at HV I source a lot of my plastic sheet from scrap I find laying about tbh - might be worth just collecting some
Morning Dr Rob. Once again another winner, who'd have thought it, bit's of spinning plastic and carbon ink, I am before a supreme being Watching your films makes me think about Mr Tesla in the 1900's and all the amazing high-voltage, high-frequency stuff he did in his labs, he destroyed his New York one after cutting experiments with metal girders and high voltage. He moved to Colorado Springs to study the conductive nature of low pressure and built the largest ever Tesla Coil, 15 m in diameter which did strange things all around like artificial lightning up to 135 feet long. Sparks sprang from waterline taps when touched, lightbulbs within 100 feet glowed, sparks jumping between peoples feet and the ground when they walked along the pavement. He also destroyed the dynamo's in a power house 6 miles away due to the high frequency currents which set up in them. It would be pretty cool if you could perhaps try to make one out of found stuff, after viewing many of your different topics I've become a bit of a disciple and frequently worship at Roberts temple of tinkering. I haven't yet got into the inner sanctum (special video's), that's only for the anointed ones (frequent viewers) and would probably fail the many 'Kung Fu' type trials that one must do to enter the brother/sisterhood. In actual fact you'll probably find that you have quite a female following, have you an algorithm for those statistics? I enjoy listening to talks with regional accents and like your voice but for the first time there was one bit of dialect challenge for me, I had to go back and listen about 3 times, ''painted with a paint'' (2:48). All the best Rob, many thanks and should you ever have any questions about lime putty mortars, cob or straw bale building, feel free to ask.
@@ThinkingandTinkering, I didn't know there was one, so thanks for the heads up Rob. The thing about Tesla is he did experiments with particle weapons, a rail-gun and something that partially destroyed his NY lab. At one time there was a love interest so it'll be interesting what they cover in the film. The FBI got all his paperwork so there's no telling what they found and kept. . Incidentally it's funny hearing all the background sounds and I reckon you could probably get a bit of revenue from Yodel for the free ad space they got when you made the chimney spinning generator the driver left his van in shot. Also, could you please give me a contact # for the firm that sells those things as one of them would be much needed.
I have also think this disk Fitting in Tesla Turbine but then I relished more RPM generated lot of hit and this plastic material can't safer at that hit what is your opinion pl trying on Tesla Turbine Thanks
With if you do something like a spiral shape painted lines, maybe fibonacci, something that will allow all of them to have a longer track on the disk as possible and compact well together (symmetrical). Your pickups on the outer edge and the naturalization bar only contact the most center of the disk, would that make a difference?
Out of curiosity, is there any good place or book to read up on the principle and operation of this kind of thing? I ask because google has failed me, and punching in 'Dirod' or 'Dia', 'Die', or any other variations defaults to 'Droid', and Electrostatic Generator searches mostly brings up Van De Graaffs and Wimshursts machines. I know the basic principles here, but I want more relating to this specific operation. Any help would be appreciated.
I Just loving it! But i have two q:s how many grams of metal is need to make a hugh diffrens! And how in Earth do we make it brushless! Please check this Color: falu red color!
What if there is another disk on the opposide side of that plastic stand? And if you did your vertical 1kw generator wit this style, rather than magnets. How many layers it needs?
I wonder if one could put this together as a bladed design to allow for a wind-ed generator? do you think you'd have problems with the airfoil design in keeping appropriate contact with the brushes? Would carbon brushes work the same? Soooo many great ideas! Yet again you amaze me RMS! Thanks!
BRAVO Robert!! Clear, logical, critical thinking is so refreshing to see. Well done!
Hi Rob, noticed this a couple of time, think should make you aware. when you measure the current it does not provide the power because you are comparing it to the open-circuit voltage. When you short circuit it to measure the current you essentially get close to zero voltage. therefore the power is in the nano Watts or Pico Watts. The best true reading is to use a load which can give you the real power as it will match the true impedance of the motor.
It is a nice concept but for the industry to take it on board with any seriousness then the size to power consumption would need to be a lot better. Good experiment but that is about all.
Consider setting up a load, even a small battery or LED as you have in the past. LED give a constant voltage with variable current and is a good cheap measurement source, measure both the current and voltage at the same time.
Keep it up though they are really interesting ideas.
cheers mate
Many electrostatic generators give constant current regardless of output voltage (as long as not sparking over and the speed remains constant). But some generators, I think this one in particular, only output full current when the output is above a certain voltage.
@@dmitrylavrov5267 The way I like to think of it is that these machines is that they will supply a current at whatever voltage is necessary to push that current through the resistance of the system as long as the required voltage is less than what it takes to for plates the start arcing between each other and effectively short out the generator internally.
If you design for that, you can make your geny push out a lot of power.
Simply, it means that these machines have an optimum output and everything outside of that is inneficient.
What's the optimum output? -> Select your output current via your rotational speed then match the load to force the voltage.
Good job Robert, every time i watch your grass roots inventing things, thinking out of what has become a very crowded box for new ideas, men like yo created the world we know, keep up the good work.
Just sat here with my jaw dropped for I don't know how long. That is amazing. That is just totally amazing!
Thank you, Sir, for sharing this with us. Unbelievable.
I can't believe I stumbled upon this channel.
What luck! All the best!
Glad you enjoyed it! and thank you mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering - Well, if my jaw hitting the floor and staying there is enjoyment? Then indeed, Sir. Lol. It was. Amazing. Cheers!
That's astonishing Robert! Thank you so much for sharing. What comes to mind is how thin that device is and how much thinner it can be as well as how modular it is.
You bet mate
@@ThinkingandTinkeringsorry to hijack the comment. A comment under my video "3D print energy: triboelectric nanogenerator TENG" directs me to your video. Our TENG field has many devices like yours and you should definitely check into our field. Please come and see my video and see whether you like it. I bet you will. (I am not sure whether I am supposed to post link in the comment)
this is very similar to a hybrid electric motor i designed a while back. works as a induction motor and a generator. perfect for recyling energy and keeping an electric vehicle on the road a lot longer.
you can stack a ton of these and use a gear assembly to increase turn speed to perhaps increase its efficiency for the space it takes up, its an awesome build, supremely simple.
although another thought occurs to me, you could hook up some of these to a motorbike with option manual pedalling. manual pedal to generate power and then run the bike off of battery later.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the world. You truly are a enlightened human being.
Wow, thank you mate
Loved it, thank you Robert for an awesome demonstration.
Glad you enjoyed it
I am just amazed that this works. Very nicely done Robert. VF
cheers mate
Damn Rob.. I sat here stunned for at least 75 seconds after viewing this.. This is incredible.. with some ink and plastic you generated a currant.. my mind is a flood with half thought questions and ideas.. I can hardly form the right questions to ask.. energy is so easy to produce "carbon and motion" What is this thing we call energy? why do we struggle so to produce it with grand machines and buildings of giant proportions.. there must be much simpler ways to do this.. I wish I had it all to do over again.. I would (like you) take the road less traveled and explore the grand things we left behind us in the wake of money making.. Carry on my brother you are lighting a fire that might save us eventually.. Some of these young minds out there are sharper than we ever were.. and thy can (if they can over come the desire for money) help the world be free from so many of the things that bind us these days.. Well I am jabbering and my poor mind has a hard time putting into words the thoughts in my head.. thanks my friend.. You are a spark..
It will not be zero carbon, but POSITIVE carbon for a change, heh?
@@your_utube Oh yeah... imagine that.. That would drive some of these self righteous, know everything, young yuppie types up a wall.. But I am sure they would find something to whine about though.. good call my brother.. positive carbon.. I like that..
Conventional electrical generators are very efficent and really not the bottleneck on cheap power. Something has to make that rotational engergy that's being converted in the first place, almost always a heat engine of some kind (which need lots of fuel), though occasionally something like a wind turbine.
This is a clever novelty and is potentially shows a really easy to build electrostatics demonstration though.
@@FireStormOOO_ i can easily imagine a solar panel driving a 12 volt motor to run this thing.
@@FireStormOOO_ "a heat engine ... though occasionally wind". What is wind if not the result of enormous amounts of energy derived from the power of the sun?
Love you're videos and the enthusiasm. Can't wait to see where this one goes!!
cheers mate
So many ideas from this. Thanks Robert!
I've been on this study while I drive to do Mold scrubs. Something perplexing about Magnets taking electrons and it becoming something visible as well as energy!
Thanks for this. I’ve long wondered about the relationship between electrostatic electrickery and that which we work with every day; AC and DC.
This is starting to fill in the gaps but would very much like to know more.
Awesome... Only problem is heat from friction and also ware. Silicone spray my help... There needs to be more channels like this one.👍
And the Hive mind kicks in again...amazing Robert....but I have been thinking about your Tesla turbine and it spun at what 35k rpm ...much higher than a drill
ElectroBoom needs to see this.
Thank you for sharing Mr. Smith.
Hi Rob if you take a old piezo buzzer and press the surface you can get 3volt . This principle is used for small mechanical energy devices. Many thanks again.
cheers mate
Robert you are onto something here. I tried some ideas along the lines of printing electrostatic conduction paths some decades back. I should have pursued it a bit further.
1. With higher resolution printing, you can make this smaller and stack them (i think some other comments agree with this too) and put them in all sorts of combinations of series and parallel.
2. At a smaller size and precise balacing (which would be possible with no wires), you can try spinning this with a Tesla turbine at insanely higher speeds
3. How about reducing air drag by chucking the whole assembly into a vacuum?
Great one indeed! IMAGINE THAT - LOOK MA, NO WIRES!
Really interested to see where your fruitful and productive mind will take this. Plasti-carbon generator.
I think it is interesting for sure mate
Another, super interesting set up, Rob.
So.... if this were a huge span, would that increase voltage/amperage significantly? Perhaps you could have multiple rings of printed media on one disc, run in parallel, (or series) to produce much greater values. Stunning!
You just subverted the lens effect@!!!$%^%##
AWESOME !!@# This opens up so many possibilities.
Just as I took my break from work. Perfect!
I know right, and the length of his videos are perfect for a quick coffee break.
lol awesome mate
It would be great if you could add some links when referring to stuff, like your other video or some of the devices you mentioned. Cheers for sharing these very interesting explorations.
Even if this isn't very energy dense, if its cheap enough, one could make huge arrays and put them in the ocean. The ocean has massive amount of energy, the problem is usually that it wears everything down. But with this simple design, theres less to go wrong. See if you can make it water sealed, and if you can think of a way to adapt it to waves. I imagine an anchor, the geny, a springed pully, attached to a float (which the surface carries up and down) but someone could probably think of a better geometry/design.
All the best Robert! ❤
This coupled with the Tesla turbine , I'm sure the electro statics of the vortex swirling water might also be tapped. I like the way you think Rob , keep up the good work.
Not the most compact energy source, but definitely the cheapest! Im guessing wood would work as well. If very dry, damp wood may not work as well, put as bout 100 in series, and charge a phone, it's amazing, more amazing than starting a fire with two sticks! Awesome work!
probably not mate - wood is actually quite conductive at high voltage
Now if you'd take these disks, mount them as tesla trubine. And i wonder what it would do at 25k rpm :D wonderfull
i said the same in the previous video but i don't think the brushes and paint would last very long. still something i'd like to see though, it would be pretty cool!
I thought of this too, I'd love to see a sample try even at blowing compressed air at the edge instead of just having a cordless drill at the center. There should be enough force to turn it a lot if there's no torque requirement on it.
I dont know but the structural integrity of the disk may become an issue.
And what are you going to use to generate that 25k rpm? Lets be realistic he's using a cordless drill which is likely somewhere between 12v to 18v to generate 2.1v. That's not a lot out for what was being put in. Don't get me wrong I'm fascinated by this contraption, but at some point reality has to kick in and in order to make this viable the input would have to be some kind of wind or wave turbine, or other naturally occurring energy source. I'm not sure your going to get that kind of input energy from these. Still it's great to see real people trying alternative forms of energy generation, and the rate at which we're going through the planets resources we need people like this, so good on him for experimenting and I wish him every success.
@@badgerint the drill is just to see what the top end output would look like. In practice, after you hook several of these together, you could hook it up to anything that turns a wheel: water, wind, a bicycle, whatever.
This is just a minimal base concept device meant for testing out some ideas. You don't want to overcomplicate things at this stage, just target the unknowns being investigated. In this case the questions being asked isn't "Is the power output more powerful than the drill," it's "Does the ink have the capability to replace the metal parts", "How much greater or less will the power output be?", "How fast does the wheel need to turn in order for the device to generate just enough of a noticeable power output", "Does turning faster generate enough of a power increase to be worth the effort to maximize spin in later interactions", and possibly get a rough estimate as to how long the ink will remain intact? Is it more or less durable than metal.
That's why you WANT to use a drill at this stage. You need a reliable driver so you can do the math property on the unknowns being tested at this stage The actual driver would be a separate build that needs to be developed for its own optimizations after its own unknowns have been investigated. Once that's done you can do integration tests with the two. The only thing the two need to communicate to each other is that they are working on the same dimensions. This device was built with an axle that would fit the drill. Any device using the same axle dimensions can also be used to turn this iteration of the device if need be later on. But all that is very far down the line from what has to happen at this stage.
Sorry for the length of this reply. Please don't consider it a rant, rather a pleasant mind dump info overshare :)
Very interesting! Appreciate your time, and effort for this share! Respect!
when I read the title I was thinking it would be graphite maybe, like a pencil but carbon paint is interesting too. Got me pondering all the possible carbon materials.
similar thoughts myself
then onto graphene and sub micron gaping
Hi, You can attach a Leyden condenser for retaining charge an perhaps increment voltage. Very pretty machine.
what a nice dude, thx for sharing, greets from germany.
It's very interesting to remember that the inventions that change the world, are actually quite simple.
Seriously cool! Thanks for sharing!
In a small way your making the basis of a Whimshurst Machine which used additional storage capacitors to hold the charge.
Dielectric charges of the plastic will have a big effect on the output potentials, so experimenting with the disk insulator material may reveal some improvements. Also wider carbon tracks should add more current. Making special shaped patterns to increase carbon ink track surface area, may assist with more current output. Series wired disk outputs on a single shaft to get say 12 volts should not be hard, once the current comes up to a more useful figure.
As inefficient as it is for real power generation, it may have some useful purpose in micro power applications.
Also maybe an old music record can be used for the disk.
I been working on my own experiments all day and I kept thinking about this video and just kept thinking about it. My experiment is a plasma generator but I have done a lot of experimental work with things like Vandegraaff generators and latex works great. Instead of just using plexiglass although it looks great being transparent it is not the best dielectric for the job alone. The plexiglass is actually very negative which is great on the negative side but an opposite material is a voltage differences like glass or Teflon the latex can be a mediator see the power of the device you are showing holds it's energy in the dielectric like a film capacitor. So if the rotation wheel at the center is sandwiched between lets say glass and plastic or Teflon and plastic it will improve voltage a whole lot. Later maybe instead of the ink you can use some of your knowledge of graphene to maybe do the stripes with a single layer so that all the carbon holes are filled and discharged quickly and hold more current at a voltage you will probably want the ink only at were your brush makes contact or comes close to the stripes to discharge. Oh well I hope I can be of some help. Don't have to give up on the printing idea also because it's a great idea and the plastic can be coated with the Teflon and the wheel with the latex. Instead of one volt you may get hundreds... Current will be the biggest challenge but it can be done. Nice video!
For what it takes to build it, that's really cool!
cheers. mate
absolute proof of Pressure Mediation ....
Frequency, Bandwidth and polarity based of course...
Fantastic video showing the secrets of energy kept from the masses.
Imagine what the ancients had...
this is actually revolutionary if u think about it! its made of plastic so it can be 3D printed with an adapter on the 3D printer for the ink cartridge u will need a fine nozzle though
Looks similar to the testatika.
Good work!
While the applications for such a low power generator are limited, I do generally find these sorts of things facinating, particularly if applied in developing countries. Microwatts aren't useful for a huge amount, but for driving small LEDs for navigating in the dark they could potentially be quite helpful and likely save a few broken ankles, particularly if you're already carting loads, such as jugs of water, which is quite common in those areas already.
A two wheeled dolly with a simple and cheap string pulley could easily get a fast enough RPM to at least provide a little light even without a battery or capacitor. Of course with a decent inline capacitor one could store the energy from the trip one way and use it on the other with minimal losses, though that assumes they'd be returning at night, which is only made viable by having this light in the first place, making it something of a solution making its own problem. Though could be valuable insofar as keeping people out of the midday sun and having portions of their gathered water vapourise off while they travel.
You aren't thinking big enough. Since these things, once mass produced, will be almost literally "A dime a dozen," they can be stacked...
"To the MOON, Alice!"
Without permanent magnets does not necessarily mean without magnetic field. All charges in motion generate some magnetic field. The improvement may come in designing how the charges are isolated, collected, and moved.
for sure mate thanks for the correction
Interesting idea, any ideas on how you can stimulate some more amps on it? As it is static? Different plastic? Or adding rubber strips (from bicycle tyres) in between each painted surface. Maybe poles will be more isolated and the charge will be more concentrated? Very nice 🤔👍🏼
The only downside I can see is the brushes wearing away the ink. i.e making two parts that are moving, have electrical contact and not producing wear. I was trying to think of ways to avoid that but sadly I realise I'm not that smart lol. Obviously a 'frictionless' static motor just becomes a wheel once the friction is lost :P . Then again if they can be made cheap enough, they could lbe seen as disposable motors that you would replace when they wear out and then recycle them. Definitely food for thought, which is what I know this channel is about. You got me on this one :D :D
Probably a good idea to use multiple compact discs and use a compact disc motor to drive it . That should make it very easy to drive and if you paint the discs with graphene oxide you can use the laser scribe engraver to create all the pickups and conductors! 👍🏻 i wonder if the discs are over lapping each other if the effect is the same ?
nice ideas mate and certainly worth checking out
I would also love to see what a stack of these would do, I tink it's awesome Sir, never seen nothing like this before try putting 10 stacks or with wind blades😊👍 make it be wind generated
Absolutely fabulous Mister Smith! :) Looks like you can flip the "power bird" with your right hand. LOL Hope you heal up fast!
lol - here's hoping mate - lol
really fascinating! thanks a lot for sharing!
cheers mate
Your a "business man".
By that I mean, with a little effort, Will, and vision... One can establish businesses with the knowledge you share.
I genuinely appreciate that you don't give one a fish... But... that you teach one to fish.
The invaluability of the knowledge you share, scares me.
If and when I make a product due to the knowledge you have imparted, I have already vowed to proclaim to the world "It is Robert Murray Smith to be thanked, not me".
that is an awesome thing to say mate - cheers
You're a business man is how to spell that
C-motive is developing electrostatic motors. The transfer medium matters. You need a higher dielectric strength to get more power
Maybe if paint was like silicon, therefore every other painted in strokes of opposing directions (p-type paint and n-type paint) might then give an AC output.
Maybe if instead of the breaker / buffer line in ink, a line in electrolite ink?
You might have made a large version of what is realy happening to elements within an electronic componant- be it a battery, capacitor or any other....
Thanks for another fantastic build!!
I love conductive ink, but it’s so expensive, at least the small tube I got is. I like this design as I can see it placed in a hydro solution somewhere remote. I don’t see how the components would receive wear. Very nice passive power, even if the power density is low. 👍
check out his videos on making carbon and making your own conductive carbon ink,
You could add a few plastic discs to anything that rotates. It could be barely noticeable and produce electricity.
(I hadn’t realized there was a polarity. cool!)
How about doing this in layers using a Tesla turbine configuration??? Maybe we can boost up the voltage and and amperage to do some work and use capacitors and and a few transistors and if you can bring it to the amperage of a small battery and hold that steady enough so the voltage doesn't drop to less than 1.2 volts... I am low balling it and I think it can be done to do a lot better. Great video! Love that you shared it.
Future efforts stacking disks and output in series and parallel? This is very very good Robert!
@drop stix ... Into a battery or supercaps made out of the ink :)
15,000 of these in parallel that are also in series with another 15,000 will be enough to power one LED if the voltage and amperage dont decrease under load. Considering it takes about 1.7 volts and about 15 mA. This makes 1v at 0.0001 mA
@@dustinsmith8341 It is a prototype so the performance is not the best it can be considering 90 plus percent of it is carbon in one form or another makes it extremely interesting.
I am going to look at the number and thickness of the lines mate
@Barskor1 Absolutely. I just wanted to put a little perspective on the current(hehe) model. If one of these could get to 1mA or maybe even 5mA, then it would be dramatically more useful, and yes I do believe there is loads of improvements that can be made to this.
Brilliant as always Mr. Murray-Smith!
cheers mate
This video reminded me of a Wimshurst machine someone made that was roughly a 4ft disk as the base. It produced 750-1000kv of electricity... unsure what the current draw would be, I assume not much.
Hello Sir!
I’m a new subscriber and am amazed at how much you’ve done!
If you were to stack this idea, would the neutralizer bar go on each alternating panel?
You can get almost a full volt by a gentle hand crank? Think about it, between this and the graphite dry cell, you can basically make a hand mill to generate 2H and 2O with. That's kind of mind blowing, even if we're talking low output.
Hey some time ago I made an electrostatic nanogerator, just with teflon plate, two sided tape, a piece of aluminum and some PCB copper plate, and it had enough power to make a LED to blink, just with 9 cm² of effective contact surface
that is awesome - did you do a paper? if so what's the DOI?
I didn't one, I think it was a merely curious device, and then I found some papers about similar devices, but probably is worthy to make one and improve the generator
To also have a faster RPM a compact disk may be good which may up the voltage.
This is exciting! Awesome idea!
cheers mate
A utron is something that you may find interesting in a contrarotatation brush type pick up between two discs,info related to antigravity device!:)
cheers mate
Nice..but you're using copper and magnets in any kind of motor used to turn that..maybe stack multiple discs and use wind or water to turn. Nice work to think about..glad you're bringing an ancient idea back to life so to speak.
You are an inspiration 👍
Wow, thank you
Would you get more by halving the line thickness and doubling the number of lines ?
This is awesome! Cant wait to see what you can do with this idea! I looked for this conductive ink and what I am finding more of is Platinum Carbon Ink and was wondering if it is better, worse or really just the same ink?
we sell it mate and there is no platinum in it - here is the link secure.workingink.co.uk/product-category/working-ink-ink/
I would like to see you do some experimentation with a faraday disc. You could introduce a high voltage static input to the faraday disc, so the output will be high voltage AND high current generator, putting out more watts, then what is being used to rotate the machine. 🤠👍⭐⭐⭐
A machine called the Merthna is made in Switzerland 🇨🇭 and used in the snowy mountains 🏔 where the atmosphere is dry from frozen water 💧
So how can we add the generator and the Tesla coil disc in a car where would we install it to make it work I keep getting a visual under the car where the tires would be and it also eminates a violet light 🚨 under the car and it looks like a fan under the car it may even gravitate
Could you use the same idea behind your Archimedes screw and have multiple discs that turn from water or wind, or would that disrupt the electrostatic?
wow fascinating! Do you have a video on how you made your ink?
you are a genius, really.
Could you add multiple pancakes to the stack ? How much would generate from 2 of the same rotating on the same axel ? What is the thickness of the plastic and paint ?
how big would it have to be, or what would need to be scaled up to make a more usable voltage/amperage? Same size but multiple disks in series and then in parallel with another identical device?
instead of using neutralizers with brushing tip can we instead connect opposing plates with reed switches that will close with magnet? so that we'd get rid of brushes all together. what's the potential between two plates ready to get neutealized?
truly amazing. this is what the future was supposed to be like.
What do you think of the new efficient dc motors SynRm Tesla is using to replace the old.
Neat project, Dr. Smith! Have you connected one of your homemade capacitors to it, charged it up, and then run your little electric motor to see how long it will run?
I should do exactly that mate
There are so many ways electrostatics can be adapted to produce workable voltages with currents able to power everyday devices.
I am reminded that lightning itself is generated from static charges, there is a lot of power in a single bolt of lightning so static electricity devices have huge potential.
Use gears, uses stackable versions, whatever, just don't lose sight of the potential.
agreed. mate also the high voltage can be used directly for lighting for example and in electrostatic motors - personally I believe electrostatics needs more research
@@ThinkingandTinkering yes I agree wholeheartedly. Too little research has been done in a field that has so much potential.
have you heard about shadow effect generators?And try out your graphine ink for this phenomena. A differential set up by light and shadow creates a voltage (in a silicon wafer coated with gold i think it was)
Very interesting, what do you think the feasibility is of a aerogel solid state battery? you seem to be able to grasp these different ideas without disregarding any.
Now make a whole stack of them! Very cool idea..
for sure
Wonder if you made that a larger diameter like ten foot if it would get more out of it.
I think for what you have in building it...it is really great. Stacking these on a single axle would be awesome multiplied current!
Will the results differ if wooden disk are made? I have wood but not the plastic you have.
I am not sure about wood mate it becomes conductive at HV I source a lot of my plastic sheet from scrap I find laying about tbh - might be worth just collecting some
Morning Dr Rob. Once again another winner, who'd have thought it, bit's of spinning plastic and carbon ink, I am before a supreme being
Watching your films makes me think about Mr Tesla in the 1900's and all the amazing high-voltage, high-frequency stuff he did in his labs, he destroyed his New York one after cutting experiments with metal girders and high voltage.
He moved to Colorado Springs to study the conductive nature of low pressure and built the largest ever Tesla Coil, 15 m in diameter which did strange things all around like artificial lightning up to 135 feet long.
Sparks sprang from waterline taps when touched, lightbulbs within 100 feet glowed, sparks jumping between peoples feet and the ground when they walked along the pavement.
He also destroyed the dynamo's in a power house 6 miles away due to the high frequency currents which set up in them.
It would be pretty cool if you could perhaps try to make one out of found stuff, after viewing many of your different topics I've become a bit of a disciple and frequently worship at Roberts temple of tinkering. I haven't yet got into the inner sanctum (special video's), that's only for the anointed ones (frequent viewers) and would probably fail the many 'Kung Fu' type trials that one must do to enter the brother/sisterhood.
In actual fact you'll probably find that you have quite a female following, have you an algorithm for those statistics?
I enjoy listening to talks with regional accents and like your voice but for the first time there was one bit of dialect challenge for me, I had to go back and listen about 3 times, ''painted with a paint'' (2:48).
All the best Rob, many thanks and should you ever have any questions about lime putty mortars, cob or straw bale building, feel free to ask.
awesome mate I will do and I hope to get round to seeing the new Tesla film sometime - it's supposed to be quite good
@@ThinkingandTinkering, I didn't know there was one, so thanks for the heads up Rob. The thing about Tesla is he did experiments with particle weapons, a rail-gun and something that partially destroyed his NY lab. At one time there was a love interest so it'll be interesting what they cover in the film.
The FBI got all his paperwork so there's no telling what they found and kept. . Incidentally it's funny hearing all the background sounds and I reckon you could probably get a bit of revenue from Yodel for the free ad space they got when you made the chimney spinning generator the driver left his van in shot.
Also, could you please give me a contact # for the firm that sells those things as one of them would be much needed.
I have also think this disk Fitting in Tesla Turbine but then I relished more RPM generated lot of hit and this plastic material can't safer at that hit what is your opinion pl trying on Tesla Turbine Thanks
With if you do something like a spiral shape painted lines, maybe fibonacci, something that will allow all of them to have a longer track on the disk as possible and compact well together (symmetrical). Your pickups on the outer edge and the naturalization bar only contact the most center of the disk, would that make a difference?
Out of curiosity, is there any good place or book to read up on the principle and operation of this kind of thing? I ask because google has failed me, and punching in 'Dirod' or 'Dia', 'Die', or any other variations defaults to 'Droid', and Electrostatic Generator searches mostly brings up Van De Graaffs and Wimshursts machines. I know the basic principles here, but I want more relating to this specific operation. Any help would be appreciated.
by layering these will it increase the volts, amps or both.
Nice..... so in a wind mill you cant overspin or under just multiply and charge super capacitor
I would really like to see the rose wind generator attached to this and see if it will get a good reading!
I Just loving it! But i have two q:s how many grams of metal is need to make a hugh diffrens! And how in Earth do we make it brushless! Please check this Color: falu red color!
Hello. Now to scale that to run pumps for hydro battery and ultimately produce 20kva peak output... 7kw continuous.
Please an update on this battery would be much appreciated!
What if there is another disk on the opposide side of that plastic stand?
And if you did your vertical 1kw generator wit this style, rather than magnets. How many layers it needs?
I wonder if one could put this together as a bladed design to allow for a wind-ed generator? do you think you'd have problems with the airfoil design in keeping appropriate contact with the brushes? Would carbon brushes work the same? Soooo many great ideas! Yet again you amaze me RMS! Thanks!
maybe - there would be a fair deal of 'bounce' but to be honest it wouldn't take much to build then you wouldn't be guessing - you'd know