Drivers were: Alan Hall (Newcastle). (Had to travel as PASS back to Newcastle). Nicholas Wilson (Doncaster). (Phoned Neil Castle to come with 67022). Neil Castle (Doncaster). (Took the failed train back to Bounds Green).
An unusual event at York well captured Trevor. Me and Allan will be at York Thursday (4 Dec) to see the A4. Hope to see you if you are there. Cheers, Jeff.
An interesting video Trevor. I witnessed almost an identical event with a class 91 about two years ago in the very same spot and that was a piece of wire just like this one. It also resulted in the train being taken out of service. I did video it but don't think I posted on CZcams. Cheers - Allan.
allan5919 Pity you didn't put in on the Tube Allan,Would have liked to have seen that.Didn't film the passengers been de- trained as a lot weren't happy....Trevor.''
I am no Leci Trevor , but think that was the wisest move to take out of Service ..just a pity it could not be repaired in situ ..good old 67 to the Rescue ...Dave
***** Thanks Dave,Apparently the bloke from East Coast told me that the bit of wire could have caused the Railway thousands of pounds had it got snagged on the overhead wires at speed.No wonder they took it out of service,Cheers.....Trevor.''
I agree, It looked like a 'dropper' wire to me. Connects the top Catenary wire to the contact wire and it could have collected it anywhere between there and Kings Cross!
Strange how they were able to remove the wire, then decided to withdraw the train. I can see why it couldn't carry on with it dangling like that, it could have caused a flashover and knocked out the power supply. In BR days they'd have just yanked it out and sent it on its way! Theses days TOCs have no reservations about making passengers change trains.
They will have more than likely dragged it to Neville Hill, and the reason they took it out of service will have been to check to see if there was any damage to the pantograph
Trevor, we owe a lot to you and guys like you who have filmed these scenes to document history. I never tire of watching your videos. I adore the class 91 and as you know my layout is based on the era when the 91's were brand new. In fact the latest Cavalex models 91 CAD renders have been released. They look amazing and will finally give me a good detailed 91 to run on my layout. Check the video out, czcams.com/video/arvKTOOjt98/video.html Cheers. Dave
This is what you get when you such a fragmented rail infrastructure, years ago a Diesel loco from York shed would have been stuck in front after the Electric was pulled off. Things like this are just not planned for, I suppose if it had been the new Hitachi trains which are diesel/electric combination wouldn't have been able to go in Diesel only mode because of the flying cable getting caught.
Danny Read Hi,Glad you liked the video of the Class 91.Dont know what they call the music but it was free in i Movie which is on my Apple Mac Computer if thats any help to you.....Trevor.''
This is indicative of the unnecessary fucking around of the privatisation era. Rather than taking the train out of service, simply drop the 91 in a siding and allow the 67 to take the train onward,but that's too simple for today's railway operators.
I don't think so, the pole used is a special insulated one, exactly for use in these situations (or so I imagine). Also notice how he rests the pole against the metal body of the loco before touching the pantograph.
Well the Westerns and Warships weren't technically... Although I do agree with you; As an American, I love how creative some of these UK designs are, like the 91's driveshaft system, the class 58 overall, the Intercity 125/class 43s (Which is something Amtrak desperately needs here!) and even the APT-P.
While I admit that America could do with better passenger trains, the railways just aren't up to the task. You'd benefit with high speed rail a lot more than relying on conventional track.
Turbostar agree, stupid VTEC does not know how to appreciate a fine-looking train. Not just fine by the looks, also fine by the designs. 140mph, high-power locomotive, refitable for tilt, one of its type serving on only one route. It's a good train in conclusion
Oh, it was them being worried about DAMAGE TO EQUIPMENT that made them take off the passengers and not just send it down the line? ROFLMAO. Why am I not surprised. It's the U.K. EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE. Peasants are cheap.
And if it had had damage to the equipment, then further down the line, the pan could've literally pulled the overheads down. Result instead of just one trainload of passengers getting delayed, the whole line is closed.
Although a whole load of issues unique to steam traction could have happened instead and we could sit here saying 'Never would have happned with electric'
coconut_ pie umm no. you are wrong. the class 43 is an Intercity 125. AKA the HST. a class 91 with a full rake of MK4s and a DVT on the back is the Intercity 225
coconut_ pie but what Jack said was that he prefers HSTs compared to 225s. and i made the joke that they are HSTs because THEY ARE HSTs (High Speed Trains). but i know what he means because when someone says "HST" we all think of the 43 and a rake of MK3s
Never did like these cheapo push-pull things. As a former driver on the Southern I often wondered what happened if the DVT hit something and derailed. Or if the loco dropped its guts and died. This 91 and coaches are even painted silver, like flying dustbins !
Yes that was one thing I didn't like about the Class 370 ATP-P with both power cars in the middle, meaning the front car would be too light in the event of a collision which is not that unlikely since the track wasn't a dedicated high speed one without level crossings.
They should do like NY and implement a 3rd rail system and eliminate that complex pantagraph rubbish. And have the 3rd rail with a flangeless wheel to pick up the current instead of a shoe for high velocity travel.
+Bassotronics 3rd rail only allow up to a certain voltage and therefore only give a certain amount of power. Definitely not enough for high speed trains like this one. NY subway has 625V DC whereas here there are 25'000V AC.
It's nothing like being in the right place at the right time! Great video!
MNRR M8
Drivers were:
Alan Hall (Newcastle). (Had to travel as PASS back to Newcastle).
Nicholas Wilson (Doncaster). (Phoned Neil Castle to come with 67022).
Neil Castle (Doncaster). (Took the failed train back to Bounds Green).
An unusual event at York well captured Trevor. Me and Allan will be at York Thursday (4 Dec) to see the A4. Hope to see you if you are there. Cheers, Jeff.
bobnweaver Thanks Jeff,Hope to get to see the A4 but not sure where yet but if at the Station will look out for you.Thanks for commenting...Trevor.''
What's the A4 a piece of paper lol only joking matey but is the A4
Looks like a dropper from the OHLE. Saw something similar wrapped around the pantograph of a Class 321 a few years ago.
Aaaand the Diesel saves the situation! Very nice catch! Love that EMD sound! BIG LIKE from Romania!
Titus ;)
19Railfan95 cheers....Trevor.''
Very interesting Trevor..an unusual occurence . Best be safe than sorry....nice to see the 67 pull it away.....Steve.
An interesting video Trevor. I witnessed almost an identical event with a class 91 about two years ago in the very same spot and that was a piece of wire just like this one. It also resulted in the train being taken out of service. I did video it but don't think I posted on CZcams. Cheers - Allan.
allan5919 Pity you didn't put in on the Tube Allan,Would have liked to have seen that.Didn't film the passengers been de- trained as a lot weren't happy....Trevor.''
looks like a dropper wire from the OHLE that has come adrift and got snagged by the pantograph.
I am no Leci Trevor , but think that was the wisest move to take out of Service ..just a pity it could not be repaired in situ ..good old 67 to the Rescue ...Dave
***** Thanks Dave,Apparently the bloke from East Coast told me that the bit of wire could have caused the Railway thousands of pounds had it got snagged on the overhead wires at speed.No wonder they took it out of service,Cheers.....Trevor.''
Trevor Ledgeway Not a good thing to happen , like he said could have caused a lot of damage
Great catch, great vid. Not often you see these things. Nightmare for the passengers!
MG06ZT Thanks....Trevor.'''
Nice one Trevor, oh, that bloke with the pole, better him than me LoL. Nice footage Trevor.
***** Cheers Alan,A bit dodgy i thought at the time but as you saw no trouble and did it just like that.Hope all is well...Trevor.''
hello @@TrevorLedgewaywhat was the noise on the class 91 when the driver looks at the wire and it sounds like a compressor
Great video.
looks like one of the overhead support wires the ones that go in between the support and main wire
I agree, It looked like a 'dropper' wire to me. Connects the top Catenary wire to the contact wire and it could have collected it anywhere between there and Kings Cross!
delticsarebest Cheers...'''
That is why in Poland we have 2 phantographs on each loco, in that case we would just lower first and raise second.
Still needs to be put out of service and checked ASAP.
И в России также, 2 пантографа
Aren't the 2 pantographs usually for different power supplies ? e.g. one is for AC and one for DC ?
Whats that clanging sound 0:47 always hear them on the 91s
That's the spirax valve.
Strange how they were able to remove the wire, then decided to withdraw the train.
I can see why it couldn't carry on with it dangling like that, it could have caused a flashover and knocked out the power supply. In BR days they'd have just yanked it out and sent it on its way! Theses days TOCs have no reservations about making passengers change trains.
They will have more than likely dragged it to Neville Hill, and the reason they took it out of service will have been to check to see if there was any damage to the pantograph
Bounds Green moire like.
Looks like a loose dropper wrapped round the pan.
A damaged pan can bring the overheads down quite easily, I have seen it happen.
Trevor, we owe a lot to you and guys like you who have filmed these scenes to document history. I never tire of watching your videos. I adore the class 91 and as you know my layout is based on the era when the 91's were brand new. In fact the latest Cavalex models 91 CAD renders have been released. They look amazing and will finally give me a good detailed 91 to run on my layout. Check the video out, czcams.com/video/arvKTOOjt98/video.html Cheers. Dave
I Will have a look Dave and thanks for you nice comment.........Cheers....Trevor.''
Enjoyed the video Dave and the Cavalex Modes really do look good.Looking forward to seeing them running on your layout......Regards Trevor,''
only 188 miles of OLE to check to find where it came from
The railway of this country.
antman09ful1 I Agree with that Mike.''
This is what you get when you such a fragmented rail infrastructure, years ago a Diesel loco from York shed would have been stuck in front after the Electric was pulled off. Things like this are just not planned for, I suppose if it had been the new Hitachi trains which are diesel/electric combination wouldn't have been able to go in Diesel only mode because of the flying cable getting caught.
Eh. VTEC won't have 800's. They'll have electric-only 801's.
whats the music? nice vid!
Danny Read Hi,Glad you liked the video of the Class 91.Dont know what they call the music but it was free in i Movie which is on my Apple Mac Computer if thats any help to you.....Trevor.''
czcams.com/video/yqI-WsTilFk/video.html
This is why the uk railway is in a mess. Roger Senior aka Train Doctor would of had that back in service... Look his book in amazon. a must read
No, he wouldn't. They suspected damage to the pantograph. That needs depot attention.
Pant🇴graph.
What happened to the train?
Read the beginning disclaimer.
Its almost like the 91 did it deliberately for a day off
This is indicative of the unnecessary fucking around of the privatisation era. Rather than taking the train out of service, simply drop the 91 in a siding and allow the 67 to take the train onward,but that's too simple for today's railway operators.
Would the power of been off during this?
I don't think so, the pole used is a special insulated one, exactly for use in these situations (or so I imagine). Also notice how he rests the pole against the metal body of the loco before touching the pantograph.
About to be replaced with more nasty rubbish, Hitachi rubbish.
Edward Pearce hahahaha😂 not like that good old made in the U.K. Stuff eh?..... Oh hang on they are made in the U.K. 😟
But they need to be *designed* in the UK
Well the Westerns and Warships weren't technically...
Although I do agree with you; As an American, I love how creative some of these UK designs are, like the 91's driveshaft system, the class 58 overall, the Intercity 125/class 43s (Which is something Amtrak desperately needs here!) and even the APT-P.
While I admit that America could do with better passenger trains, the railways just aren't up to the task. You'd benefit with high speed rail a lot more than relying on conventional track.
Turbostar agree, stupid VTEC does not know how to appreciate a fine-looking train. Not just fine by the looks, also fine by the designs. 140mph, high-power locomotive, refitable for tilt, one of its type serving on only one route. It's a good train in conclusion
Oops that’s not good. Has the pantograph been damaged.
No it wasn't but it was taken out of service.
@@TrevorLedgeway They obviously thought it might have been. Something like that could've worn or broken part of the carbon contacts on the pan.
67022 hellfire loco!
I didn't realise there was such a thing as a 'hellfire 67'.
It is not a hell loco
I enjoyed the complete lack of visible smoke 😁
iiiiiih...
Oh, it was them being worried about DAMAGE TO EQUIPMENT that made them take off the passengers and not just send it down the line? ROFLMAO. Why am I not surprised. It's the U.K. EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE. Peasants are cheap.
Safety.
And if it had had damage to the equipment, then further down the line, the pan could've literally pulled the overheads down. Result instead of just one trainload of passengers getting delayed, the whole line is closed.
That would never have happened with stream traction.
"Stream traction" - what's that?
@@TheMusicalElitist Steam traction means trains at their best.
Although a whole load of issues unique to steam traction could have happened instead and we could sit here saying 'Never would have happned with electric'
A Job well done it, looked like a fibre glass pole. Good job is was dry day
Why not just lower the pantograph and drag it?
because it woulnt be able to maintain its timings and hold everything else up
Andrew James I think that was a joke
This is why I prefer HSTs
+Jack Fewster To be honest....so do i.'''
but it is an HST... (i know what you really mean haha)
coconut_ pie umm no. you are wrong. the class 43 is an Intercity 125. AKA the HST. a class 91 with a full rake of MK4s and a DVT on the back is the Intercity 225
coconut_ pie but what Jack said was that he prefers HSTs compared to 225s. and i made the joke that they are HSTs because THEY ARE HSTs (High Speed Trains). but i know what he means because when someone says "HST" we all think of the 43 and a rake of MK3s
this loco was heavily customised by the Almighty.
Go back to steam I say, you can't have wires tangled round the pantograph on a steam train because they don't have pantographs. Simple really.
TOC's today care about effeciency, the thing steamies weren't known to be good at.
Diesels: *Are we a Joke to you?*
Like saying we should go back to cooking food on an open fire because fires cant break down like ovens and microwaves
@@rabd9881 What's wrong with that, food tastes great cooked on open fires.
@@paulrussell3049 not exactly practical like the modern ways of cooking
would have been more sensible to stick a 67 on & just continue the service
+TrainLine 66 the 67 has more than enough guts to continue the service, once finished just take the 91 off & use skip for the time being
+TrainLine 66 it's cheaper just to take the loco out of service rather than the whole set
+TrainLine 66 92's are limited to 90mph & 110mph for the 90's
Never did like these cheapo push-pull things. As a former driver on the Southern I often wondered what happened if the DVT hit something and derailed. Or if the loco dropped its guts and died. This 91 and coaches are even painted silver, like flying dustbins !
If you want to know when the DVT or DBSO hits something search for the 1984 Polmont train crash and 2001 Selby train crash.
We need 2 locos. 1 is not enough. *drunk noises*
very funny. southern has absolutely nothing to rival these proper trains
Yes that was one thing I didn't like about the Class 370 ATP-P with both power cars in the middle, meaning the front car would be too light in the event of a collision which is not that unlikely since the track wasn't a dedicated high speed one without level crossings.
Platform a bit low
RingLordSonic the train is too high
*their
They should do like NY and implement a 3rd rail system and eliminate that complex pantagraph rubbish.
And have the 3rd rail with a flangeless wheel to pick up the current instead of a shoe for high velocity travel.
+Bassotronics 3rd rail only allow up to a certain voltage and therefore only give a certain amount of power. Definitely not enough for high speed trains like this one. NY subway has 625V DC whereas here there are 25'000V AC.
+Pietro Halle all high speed trains in the UK use overhead provides more power which in turn more speed
Josh S Yeah! That's what I'm saying.
3rd rail in Southeast
No High Speed 3rd Rail though.