How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins? | How were people saved in the OT?
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- How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins? When it comes to knowing the way to salvation, how to be saved, or the difference between the old and now testament, many are confused when it comes to Old Testament Salvation. Before Jesus how were people saved? Is faith in the Old Testament based on and looking forward to Jesus when it comes to Old Testament saints? In this video, Pastor Nelson with Bible Munch answers the question, how were people saved before Jesus died for our sins?
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In the Old Testament God had people sacrifice animals, the shedding of blood, for the forgiveness of sins, God required it, so it was done. When Jesus died on the cross, his blood was shed for our sins. He was the last sacrifice needed, for He is the lamb of God.
If that was the last why we still asking for forgiveness if our sin paid for
@@santiagosaint2869 Jesus died for all, but it is up to us to repent and ask for forgiveness, and change from our old ways, to be renewed. Please try to find some time each day to read some from the New Testament.
@@santiagosaint2869 when u ask for forgiveness and believe that Christ died for you on the cross, you accept that and are born again. When you are born again, you receive a new spirit, and no longer will want to live in SIN. When were born, our spirits are dead until we're born again, once we accept Christ as our lord and savior. Then we repent and try to live like CHRIST lived
Why cannot God just forgive the people? He’s the all powerful Creator! Why does he have to kill His “son” to forgive the Creation He created?!
@@AbuZuhayr21 Proverbs 3:5-6
trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight. Its not for us to question or make sense of the LORD or how he works. We are to submit to the lord, follow his commandments, be of obedience, have faith and trust in him
The video did answer the question. Having faith in God was what saved the believers before Jesus Christ's time. Remember, the Hebrews practiced Judaism, at that time, which is a "belief in one transcendent God" who communicated directly with such chosen people as Abraham, Joseph, Moses, and the other prophets in the old testament.
Amen!!! Thank you very much for this video. All praise, glory, and honor to Almighty God and to our Lord, God, Savior, and King, Jesus Christ!!!
Faith means that you trust God is not trying to trick you, but wants a relationship with you. He did that through the cross. Proved his love for you.
Amen, hallelujah
Before the law was there was the promise that God would save us not just from slavery but from servitude to sin, the law acted as kind of a mirror to our face but God had always made the promise first. the law came down to Moses who walked by faith, just like Abraham before him. The law was never really a list of things you can't do in general it's a list of things you will do if you love the Lord and his creation.
Excellent
thank yu
Faith in
Just think about when we were children we believe in our parents that they will protect us love us and feed us ,we don't know how they will do it but we know they will do it
My parents failed me.
Welp my friend not a well explanation unless u got great parents
@@Unkn0.n even if you have terrible parents, as a little kid you will subconsciously always gravitate towards them and see them as a positive authority
Yes that's why Jesus says you must be humble like a little child, and of course human beings aren't perfect, but God says Himself that He will never fail you and in Psalms it says that God is trustworthy, in Numbers and in the New Testament it says that it is impossible for God to lie so you can definitely trust Him
@@tori_va807god didn’t lie to me.. I don’t need to explain my life but I believe when I was an atheist. You’ll get there
Very, very good comment!
Hey Brian…today is your day of Salvation!
Faith
Please someone hook me up with the name of the background music
great explanation brother
Do you realize that there were thousands of other people living around the world??
@@tealx8462 Christianity did not exist yet in other parts of the world. Before Jesus Christ's time, the Hebrews practiced Judaism, before Christianity was established.
Wow this was such an excellent explanation, thank you! I have been super blessed by your work, all! 😄
To put it in perspective. In the revelation of the Last Days. Christ will be physical again and his full acceptance will lead to final salvation in life or rejection will right there and then put one on the side of the Enemies armies in the final battle .
I generally agree with this video accept that I firmly believe OT saints all the way back to Adam and Eve knew a lot more than they are given credit. Remember too that God spoke to them in person, I believe pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus Christ. Something happened BEFORE God clothed Adam and Eve with those coats of skins from some innocent animals. Now what could that be? Oh yes, God Himself would have to have slain innocent animals, shedding their blood, and then making coats of skins for them. Although not specifically stated in the passage it is certainly implied and I don't think it is taking something out of the passage that is not there. I believe all truly saved OT saints KNEW that God Himself would one day come as their Messiah, the Anointed One Who would one day bear their sins in His own body and take the wrath of God for their transgressions upon Himself. See Isaiah 53 for starters. The concept of imputed righteousness is clearly found in Pslams 32. Job, the oldest of the OT books knew that "My Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth." The concept of Messiah being God who would bear our sins one day I believe started with Adam and Eve. Certainly nobody has ever been saved accept through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb of God, period
The original sin oh yes let's talk about that
Yes honest Abe and Isaac Newton
What about people before the resurrection who knew not Jesus is God. How would they know Christ when it was not preached to them in the OT.
God also judges based on knowledge.
Hi, characters speaker mentions are all bible characters who displayed faith towards God. What about the salvation ancient Chinese, Aborigines, and people in ancient India etc.?
To him give all the prophets
witness, that through his name
whosoever believeth in him shall
receive remission of sins.
My question is, if people before Jesus were saved through faith, why did Jesus have to die for them if they could already be saved?
No one can be save before Jesus paid for our sins.
People are saved thru faith in God. Abraham generations were saved thru having faith in God.
@@Grace-up5em Nobody can be save before jesus paid for our sins. Abraham was not in heaven after death but kept temporarily in Abraham's bosom as written in the rich man and lazarus. Jesus has to go there to release the saints of the old testament after dying on the cross to bring them to heaven
@@Grace-up5em Abraham was first justified by faith (Paul), later his salvation had to be perfected by works (James). Sola fide salvation only after the cross of Golgotha, before that clearly faith plus works throughout the Old Testament and even in synoptic Gospels. Salvation without works is an exclusive revelation by Jesus to Paul, that's why it's called the mistery which was previously unknown even to the other apostles. All OT saints were kept in Abraham's bosom temporarily till Jesus shed his blood for our sins.
@@Goinghome2024I think it was Paradise not Heaven.
So, to summarize, a person alive 5,000 years ago who was born on the other side of the planet of where all the biblical events and revelations took place, would be saved by Jesus in the future if they had faith in the concept of God as it was known to them in that place and time?
Sounds right to me
Good question though. Most people at that time believed in fake gods, so that wouldn't be a good idea according to biblical standards.
There's actually a part in the prophets where God was saying that people all over the world were burning sacrifices to Him, He said He was well known in the world, I'm not sure but I think it was maybe Malachi? Or Jeremiah? I don't know, so if they had faith in God I think they were saved. Also God said to the Israelites "I set you free from Egypt but I also set free the Philistines from Crete" plus He also revealed Himself to Cyrus of Persia so maybe He was revealing Himself to others on the side
The sinless Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins of Adam and Eve, and their descendants. Abel offered the sacrifice of a lamb, and his blood gained the life of God, for it spoke, even after His death.
Some of their offsprings took matter into their hands, as there was no law stipulating punishment for sins, thus, Cain and Lamech began the mystery of iniquity, which lasted for 70×7 years Genesis 4.
That generation was wiped out Genesis 9, and the laws began with God laying some legal foundation of man to be his brothers keeper, and would answer for him.
Noah sacrificed to God after the flood and the blood of the sacrificial animal availed for whosoever would believe God.
Then, everyone turned their back on God, until God found Abraham who made himself available to God.
Thus, God provided Himself a Lamb- for a generation of Israel, as Abraham had told Issac by faith. Genesis 22:8, since God held Himself accountable for killing the first sacrificial animal, for the salvation of the lost soul of man. God became liable, to righteously judge and condemn Himself, so He got the second person of the Godhead- Jesus Christ, the image of God, that was the model for the creation of man Genesis 1:26-28 (man lost this glorious image at fall, and became as we are today Genesis 5:3).
Until God finishes dealing with iniquity, by paying for it, for loving man, so much, sin will still be evolving.
God made a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to become His model man, but the devil thwarted His every attempt, by manipulating the essence of man, and perverting his genetical makeup. Thus we have giants, werewolves, mermaids, centaurs, minotaurs, dinosaurs etc.. ( they were all wiped out- Caleb and Joshua and their descendant, king David and his men wiped out the remnants of the giant).
The devil became livid with rage, and proceeds to wipe out all children during the time that prophecy about the salvation of man would happen- Egypt- Moses; Bethlehem- Jesus Christ; and now, worldwide, when the Messiah will return to pick up and ransom members of His body, God's purchased possession, and to become God's ultimate Creation - Jesus, the Head, and regenerated man, His body, to sit at the right hand of God the Father, in heavenly places. (Lucifer used to be the closest being to the throne of God, but now, man, even flesh that he so dispise, will be higher than him, since he was cast out from heaven Luke 10:18-19, and God gave authority to and His glory to man, John 17:22; Isaiah 42:8!
(This is too much for satan to handle, so he now knows he has limited time to exact vengeance on man, thus, this tumultuous times!).
Since Abraham, Israel went to Egypt, to pay for Abraham's sin by going into Hagar- Sarah's Egyptian slave, for 400 years ( 430, because Moses didn't coordinate with God before acting as the Messiah, so he acted 10 years prior to due time, and spent 40 years in training, and was finally tested at the burning bush, how not to act before God speaks, and to exactly as He commands, no matter how senseless Exodus 4.
Israel got out of Egypt- by the blood of the Lamb- a Lamb for a household.
But Moses forgot to ask God what to do with them, but listened to his father in law, Jethro, and brought about God's Jealousy, so He made an unscheduled appearance to Israel, for which they were not prepared. So, Israel rejected God Exodus 19, and this removed the cover they also must now each provide a sacrificial animal for each of their sins, or pay with their lives.
Thus, all who died in obedience, were kept in Abraham's bosom, from Abel, to the thief on the right side of Jesus, that believed on Him.
God had no dealings with everyone else, Deuteronomy 4:19; Ephesians 2:12, and they will be judged by their own conscience, according to their beliefs Romans 2:14-16, and that, by Jesus Christ.
Israel disobeyed God, they sinned and must finish the 70×7 term, outside of the promised land.
Daniel prayed to God to remind Him about the due time, but Israel as a nation wasn't ready.
So, God made him to shut the book, Daniel 12:4, and brought in the ultimate dispensation of grace to usher in the Kingdom of God among His beloved Israel- as their Emmanuel.
But they had gone back to Egypt as they had threatened Numbers 14; Jeremiah chapters 41-44. So, for them to be forgiven, they must cross the river once again, signifying completely dead to sin, and a new life in God through the Lamb that was coming to pay the ultimate price for sin, as at the beginning- Jesus Christ ( He was taken back to Egypt, so He can trace back the journey for Israel, crossing both the Red sea, and the river Jordan, as the Son of God, and Son of Man Abraham, delivered from bondage of judgment.
That was why God sent Jesus Christ, the express Image of the Godhead, to finish all transgressions unfortunately they rejected and killed Him. So, this ushered in the mystery that God had hidden from the foundation of the world- Jews and Gentiles becoming one in Christ Jesus John 1:12-14; Ephesians 2:14; Romans 8:16-18! Both now, by grace through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, become the sons and daughters of God, even so, by FAITH!
Anyone who misses this great salvation story, will have to pay for their sins, by themselves- going through the tribulation and resisting the angry Satan, who will demand their head!
In His righteosness, God made provisions also for this group Revelation 11:2a.
We all get to search for all these things, to confirm if it be so, or not.
The scriptures for the dispensation of grace was already shut in Luke 417-20, and it was finished on the cross John 19:30. There remains 1 week year for the mystery of iniquity to complete, even Jesus Christ said it Matthew 18:21-22! Then all iniquity will cease for all eternity. Man will be ransomed, redeemed, regenerated restored to glory, and reconciled with God!
We are about to complete the cycle of the circle- we are around Genesis 6 at this time, which will usher in the day of vengeance of our God Isaiah 61:2; 63:4; which will lead to chapter 5, during the millennium Isaiah 65, and final judgment Isaiah 66.
Then, back to the new heaven and the new earth, with man, Jesus Christ, sitting at the right hand of God, where no flesh can ever be!
And satan and his minions become a spectacle for those pilgrims that must now, go yearly to Jerusalem, and now, they can observe the sabbath of God which was completed in Christ Jesus Colossians 2. He became the Rest, or Sabbath for whosoever would believe God through Him, in this dispensation! Hebrews chapters 3 and 4!
Take a long overdue REST, IN JESUS CHRIST!
Just as important, the shedding of innocent blood was costly of the precious animal kingdom during the Old Testament.
No one knows, but the Bible and it's theology is infinitely more just than I am. If we are concerned about it, then better believe that if God exists, he solved this before ever dreaming of the universe. Perhaps believing in God and listening to your conscious was enough for them.
People were saved thru having faith in God. They believed in Judaism, which was believing in God. In the old testament, God communicated directly with Abraham, Joseph, Moses, etc. Christianity was established after Jesus Christ.
@@Grace-up5em Right but what about those who weren't exposed to Judaism? That's what I'm referring to
Romans 2:12-16. Old testament believers were kept in Abraham's bosom in paradise, covered by the blood of bulls and goats, until Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. The blood of Jesus Christ washed away the blood of those animals, and quickened them. There was a great earthquake and they all were raised up and walked throughout the promised land. Abraham also got to physically behold and walk on the land he had previously beheld from afar - by faith! Matthew 27:51-52.
Jesus conquered death by entering into paradise (Jesus said to one of the convicts on the cross, "Today, you'll be with me in paradise") and preaching to everyone there to accept Him for salvation. No one is in heaven yet (except for Jesus) as the final judgment has yet to come. There is a distinction between paradise and heaven.
God, being just, will have also offered salvation to the ancient Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Malay, Greek, etc. It'll not just be the Jews before Jesus Christ.
Is this a real christian channel?
It has a Calvinist lean, but yes I would say it is Christian. They are very thorough with their fact checking and research which I like.
Not to say that Calvinism is in contrast with Christianity in a large part. I’m just not very knowledgeable
@@yeshuaistheking facts? What facts?
@@quaiddairloom9221 regarding biblical history and such
What about people who lived before Christ and lived in China for example. They didn't worship the God of Israel, right? Did they know they had a sin problem and needed a savior?
Here’s the real question…why does God need us to repent? What does it matter if his children do this one specific thing or not? What’s he gaining here, other than causing conflict and confusion among his people? Isn’t he all knowing? Doesn’t he already know the fate of everyone anyways? But yet it’s up to us to make the decision that will dictate whether or not we spend an eternity burning in hell?? The entire concept is completely contradicting itself and is literally impossible for all of it to be true. The best things Christians can do is stop telling people that they must be “saved” by doing this one specific thing. Instead, let’s leave out the judgement, spread love, and try and make the world a better place instead of just talking about it on Sundays, which is what Jesus would want us to do.
Right! Great rhetorical questions! More proof that this Christian doctrine is just as spurious as weapons of mass destruction hidden in bunkers lol. Best idea, become Muslim today! Accept the truth. Accept Islam.
You have to start with understand God is The Most High. He decides what is righteous and what is evil. He gives us all the choice to live sinful or to follow His Son Jesus Christ and walk in His ways. Jesus' 2 commandments for us are to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and strength and to love one another as we love ourselves. That is the law of Moses in 1 sentence. Jesus is asking that we make Him Lord of our life, allowing Him to direct our choices. He's not going to force you to make the choice. He only wants those who are willing to follow Him. You must give up your old sinful ways and choose to live in Jesus' ways.
Read the book of John in the New Testament if you can to better understand what I'm trying to say. Hope this helps 💜
@@ChrissyGotTheCoils I appreciate your response, but it doesn’t directly respond or refute any of what I said. What you said are just overused emotional phrases used to describe who God is and what his agenda is, which no one has the right to say. You believe God only wants those who choose him. But I ask again, why is that? Does he think so highly of himself that he only wants those who worship him to spend eternity with him, even if they are no better than a nonbeliever and they commit the same sins over and over. Why create human life in the first place if that is how it’s going to be? It sounds pretty narcissist to me. Every person in the world experiences good and bad to some degree. We all face temptations whether we are believers or nonbelievers. Life happens to us with or without God, so what makes being a believer of Jesus or anyone else so special to God if the people in the world go on just the same with or without him? You can live a “godly” life without any religious affiliation. But you need a special badge to get into heaven? Not buying it, and not a god I would want to be grateful for.
I hope I wasn’t too direct. But I was once in your shoes until I could no longer ignore the truth and I have never been more at peace in my life. You should research the truth about the gospels of John, Luke, Matthew, and John. It might surprise you.
It sounds like you believe but don't want to be a part. You have that choice.
Where does Native Americans and aboriginals fit into this? Would the gospel had to have been preached to them in their native tongue? (Those that have ears to listen..) what about people with learning disabilities? Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, plus the Holy Trinity is a complexe concept to believe and have faith in, if you don't understand.
God's merciful and compassionate character suggests that grace is applied to them as well (Matthew 18:14; Romans 5:18-19). In fact, Jesus called the children to Himself, actively taking a role in their well-being (Matthew 19:14). With these factors in mind, we can affirm that an infant's or mentally disabled person's inability to articulate faith in Jesus does not prevent God from saving him or her. And God, in His compassion and mercy, would draw these individuals to Himself in heaven based on the sacrifice of Christ for all sins.
Someone Who is imperfect flesh can’t become Spirit unless someone who is perfect Spirit and perfect flesh takes their place. Like a swap. So when Jesus came down he switched your position back to Alive in Spirit and took your place as flesh when he died. But because Jesus is Spirit, The flesh died, but the Spirit continued be alive. So now both of you are Spirit. Jesus died in the flesh in your place, if you believe He did that for you and change your mind about God who did it not to trick you but because He loves you and you run to him and thank Him (repent means relationship with God) then you’re saved.
So you're saying that all my anchestors from thousand years ago (norse pagans) I'm Norwegian, all went to hell? They prayed to many Gods and never talked to or heard about any prophets.
Well, the Bible says in the new testament that people had cloak of their sin (meaning they were not guilty of sin) because they haven't heard the word of God but now that Christ came they don't have an excuse to sin, basically what I'm saying is that if there are people who never hear about Yahweh in their entire life maybe God will judge them differently as they didn't have the opportunity to get to know God this also applies to Babies who dont grow up to have awareness that God is real
@@theperson4yearsago565 So when king Olaf put the norwegians to the sword in the name of christianity, those who died fighting him and protecting their fathers fate, went to hell? King Olaf was sainted, so the church is on his side.
@@boraxkid8789 ion know
@@baniadn Thats a more satisfying answer
Repentance has always been the only way of salvation. That proves your faith. Ezekiel 18.
No one died for your sins. If so that person would still be dead. Thats the price.
If you believe what he is saying, they are selling ocean front properties in Kansas City
Did not answer the question
All must be baptized to enter heaven. Even Christ, a sinless man, understood this and was baptized.
Why do you assume that sin is a moral infraction, rather than how Scripture describes it - as the measure of our fallenness… the extent to which we fail to reflect the glory of God in whose image we were created?
If your understanding of ‘sin’ as a moral infraction were correct (and you’re not), then you would have to admit that Jesus were guilty of having committed and act of sin when he healed the blind man on the Sabbath (4th Commandment ) in John 9… Yet, Jesus was without sin (2Cor 5:21), only because he and the Father are one (Jhn 10:30) - as God incarnate, Christ is the perfect image bearer of the Father
Biblically therefore, sin is not a moral condition, rather, it is an ontological reality
And by implication, why do you assume that the Law is a moral imperative rather than how Scripture explains it - as God revealing something of himself to His own? The Law is neither a capricious nor is it an arbitrary set of rules as Euthyphro suggested - rather, it reveals something of the person of God to His own (Psm 145:17/Psm 119:182, Psm 31:5/Psm 119:142, Psm 25:8/Rom 7:12, Gen 21:33/Psm 111:7,8, 1Pet 1:16/Rom 7:12, 1Jhn 4:8/Rom 13:10, Mat 5:48/Psm 19:7, Jhn 4:24/Rom 7:14, Deut 32:4/Rom 7:12, 1Jhn 1:5/Prv 6:23…)
“I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which the person who obeys them will live” - Ezekiel 20:11
Scholars tell us that the Law was given to Moses around 1446 BC, some 4,500 years AFTER God spoke everything into existence by the power of His word and well after sin first came into the world with the fall of Lucifer… Sin therefore was in the world looooong before the Law was given to Moses!
The Law (as the measure of our fallenness) therefore does not CONVICT us for the things we do - rather, it EXPOSES us for what we are - SINNERS (Gal 3:24)!
So, we are not sinners because we sin - rather, because we are sinners, we sin - BIIIIIIIG DIFFERENCE!!!
What you are preaching, is nothing less than ‘bootstrap salvation’ which intends to subordinate the sovereignty of God to the ‘sovereignty of man’ - you deny the fact that salvation is entirely an act of God’s sovereign of grace, not because of anything we do (or do not do) lest we have cause to boast and so, deny God His glory - Rom 9:16!
But the human race keeps winning what's that called
People went out from Jerusalem in the ancient days and commanded people to repent from their wicked ways and turn to God. A good example of this is Jonah
They believed of the coming Lamb of God so all that died believing went to the bosom of our father Abraham and then when our Christ died the first resurrection happened for the rocks split and they came out of the graves and went up into the sky with Jesus our Christ King of the jews 👑 and we when he returns. Selah Shalom ✌️
Brother, I hate to spoil your day but the altar call was an American invention, along with the entire notion of being “saved.” The altar call first appeared in the massive tent revivals of the Great Awakening in the 1800s and were used to provide an emotional response or catharsis as the ancient Greeks called it. It allowed for audience participation and really helped open up wallets for those preachers to collect massive offerings . Still works today, look at the mega churches. It’s an Evangelical concept that nobody else uses because it’s a blatant scam.
"Jesus died for our sins"? This is the mentality of sinners who think they can continue to sin and get away with it, which is irrational and pathetically ludicrous. No prophet or messenger ever preached or hinted at such as a belief. It makes no sense at all from any kind of perspective. This idea was concocted by sinners for sinners and was inspired by the devil because it inspires evil, which is evident in almost all Christians today since they believe they will not pay for their sins, which is laughable. No rational human being will ever buy this devilish belief. They have only preoccupied themselves with false hope.
How To Be Simply Saved
1. The bad News. We are sinners. (Romans 3:23.)
We deserve to be punished in hell for our sins.
2. The Good News. Jesus Christ who is God's Son died
on the cross for all of your sins. He was buried & rose
again to give you eternal life in heaven as a free gift. (1
Corinthians 15:3-4. Romans 6:23.)
3. How am I saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be
saved. (Acts 16:31.)
4. Once saved, always saved.
Jesus said in John 6:47. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He
that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Do you believe that you are saved by grace and promised
heaven because Jesus died for you?
Yes_No_
No one before this false claim believed this. If this was so important for our salvation then all the Prophets should have reported this.
Now factor in the following if we were to take what you said is true.
Jesus being god died for a sacrifice.
Who was this sacrifice to? If God then he is just sacrificing himself to himself and if it was Satan then what type of God is so week that he has to bow down to Satan.
He being God and all knew he was coming back in three days. So is this really a sacrifice ?No it's not. It's like a video game when you know you have two lives.
Also a real sacrifice would have been that He died permanently and never to come back even in his second coming.
God of Abraham is a merciful God and can forgive just like he forgave the people of Nineveh.
Islam is the religion of the Prophets and the only religion that upholds the true faith of Jesus and the only logical bridge between Judism and Christianty.
What happened after Jesus gave his life? The world is exactly the same and probably worse off. After the Christian church was formed, virtually every war involving Christians had a religious origin. The 30 Years War (1618) waged Catholic Christians against Protestant Christians and was the bloodiest war in history until WWII. The Christians in that war fought to determine who interpreted the Bible correctly. 8 million people died, and >50% of all Germans. You could even say, "Because of Jesus, people sinned even more."
The only way for ANY person to be saved is thru repentance. Ezekiel 18. You can't do anything else to be saved.
Not through works of righteousness that we have done but through his mercy that he saves us! Titus 3:5
If you think that you are saving yourself through repentance you’re not saved have fun time in hell trying to figure out where you went wrong following an Old Testament prophet in the New Testament age!
@@turkwelsch Yeah because *nobody* went to heaven before 33 A.D. right? Yeah NO👎
@@BeReal918 Correct, they went to Paradise / Abrahams Bosom. Luke 16:22 / 23
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
These people were collected and moved into heaven after the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
We rely on everything except for god. All he wants ur our faith in him… and I guess u could say then are Muslims saved?? Probably not because there idea of what god is isn’t really GOD….. so we need faith in god…. But the correct one… which is Jesus Christ…. Which it says if we truly seek him we will find him. So we must internally have faith and the REAL GOD
@@rockyp32 Psalms 146:3. Ezekiel 18. the 1st commandment is clear. You need to read the OT. You are deceived by Rome and her false mystery religion.
now we can see how the word repentance was buried in Christianity. as if there were people who repented and God refuse to forgive them, or are they saying that God almighty don't forgive sin.😂
this ignorance is heavy. 😂
the verse repent and turn away from your sins and wicked ways and i will forgive you,... and your sins will not be remember anymore.
this verse of the Bible is not satisfy to the Christians. only till an innocent person is killed and his blood was used to atone for the wicked....., that's is what sounds good to the Christians😂.
the obstacle the chrsitians build for themselves was like..... i want to pray to God,? " no '' pray to jesus.
i want to do God's words.... laws and commandments? ,' no '' Jesus have ended it all .😂
i want to repent so God can forgive me?...'' no'' go and get the blood of Jesus to was your sins.😂
i want to do or abide by the rules, laws or will of Jesus?..'
'' no !" don't do nothing, just have faith and believe.😂
can i ever see Jesus then？ ''what for''?
he's dead but will be back just wait in the church.😂
Yeah, none of this sounds made up.
Lol so people who came before Jesus weren't Christians (As this religion didn't exist back then), they didn't worship Jesus (Obviously) and yet Christians believe that their religion is correct. And to even make it worse, Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity nor did he ever say that he was God, or told people worship him, yet Christians are doing it.
They believed in Judaism before Jesus Christ's time.
Definition
Judaism
1: a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions
@@Grace-up5em So people were Jewish before Jesus came? This means even Adam was Jewish as well? But what about those who were sinners? They will go to hell in this case because according to your belief Jesus didn't die for their sins, so in this case to them? God is merciful and fair, isn't it?
@@ziyogeclips2998 before Jesus Jews were saved by faith and works of the law, none of them went to heaven before the crucifixion of Jesus, all were placed in Abraham's bosom (Luke). Pagans without the law were judged according to the natural law od God written in their heart (Paul, Romans). Islam is a counterfeit religion invented by Muhammad's mentor Waraq Ibn Nawfal who was a Christian heretic, a follower of the Nestorian sect - that's why the Qur'an calls Christians an-Nasara. Stop asking stupid questions with the aim to spread the false religion of the desert pedophile.
The Bible says" For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."John 3:16&17).
Bible says
" Jesus answered " I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
( John 14:6).
Bible
Also John chapter 1 verses
1-18 .
@@biolaadedokun9687 Brother the Bible has tons of "Son of Gods" Adam was son of God, Musa, Abrahim, David and so on. They were all Sons of God, but that doesn't mean they're Gods? If an elder man calls someone "Hey son, could you please help me" does this make him his actual son? Son of gods means someone who is following the right path of what God has instructed, so by this term, the prophets were sons of gods, including their followers, this is the language of the Bible.
Bible says
" Jesus answered " I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
I agree with this verse, by that time Jesus Christ (pbuh) was the way for truth, and people back then could only get closer to almight god by following Jesus Christ, so what's the issue here? Any prophet at their time was the truth and life, right now Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is the truth and life, we can get closer to almighty god by following the last prophet which also Jesus Christ has spoken about in the bible.
John 16:12 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. [13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." Even Quran has the same verse that Jesus Christ peace be upon him said, and he was referring to Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him. Jesus Christ was a prophet sent by God, similar to all other prophets. If you read Quran "The last Revelation of Books" things will make sense to you, but you're following the teaching of the church, and you should find the right path before it's too late.
Bible contradiction on death of Jesus
How many times Jesus died ONCE OR TWICE?
Explicit verses that Jesus died once
Roman 6:10
English Standard Version
For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
Then Hebrew verses 7:26-
For such a high priest indeed was fitting for us, holy, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and having become higher than the heavens
Hebrews 7:27
Berean Literal Bible
who has no need every day, as the first high priests, to offer up sacrifices for the own sins, then for those of the people; for He did this ONCE FOR ALL , having offered up Himself.
Hebrews verse 10:14
Berean Literal Bible
For by one offering, He has perfected for all time those being sanctified
1 peters 3:18
New Revised Standard Version
For Christ also suffered for sins ONCE for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,
But in revelation
13:18
English Standard Version
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain (killed)
This verse is explicitly saying Jesus killed before the foundation of the earth its direct and explicit so how many did Jesus die
some one might say you reading from one version
If you look at the most popular version the
New King James Version
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb (Jesus) slain from the foundation of the world.
This even more clear the lamb Slain before creation of the world
So how many times did Jesus die one or twice
As from passages in Romans , Hebrews answer be once but in revelation it would be twice
Now 2
opposites to Romans and Hebrews if god inspired this did god forgot that lamb was already slain thus he died TWICE
Can god make such a mistake if on the other hand god revealed in the book of revelation
Did he forgot that lamb will be killed in the future rather opposite to
Past before foundation of earth
either way this conundrum can not be solved unless Christians denie the passages in Romans Hebrews Peters or revelation
"Slain from the foundation of the world" means that God is has always planned that Jesus would die for the sins of the world, that it was never a new idea to God, but always a part of his plan. It does not mean Jesus died twice.
@@liljade53
No it does not mean that
Definition of slain
past participle of slay. 1 transitive : to kill violently, wantonly, or in great numbers slay the enemy
transitive : to kill violently, wantonly, or in great numbers
slay the enemy
This was the appearance of a dreadful epidemic which in that age, and long before and afterward, was wont to slay its hundreds and thousands on both sides of the Atlantic.
- Nathaniel Hawthorne
broadly : to strike down : KILL
slay a dragon
"It's a lot easier to slay a vampire with a stake in the heart than it is to slay some of our demons that are in our heads."
- Rachel T. Hill
plus bible makes it clear Jesus is not god
Jhon 17:3
this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Here Jesus is saying that the Father is the only true God. Jesus is not God and Amen to that.
This verse no Christian can answer they jump to another verse but not the verse Jhon 17:3 as it’s a explicit verse
The other verses brought up are quoted from Paul's writings but I can care less about what Paul has to say. I want to see what Jesus said from his own lips.
Anyways John 17:4 which talks about God giving Jesus glory that Jesus had with him before the world began proves nothing. First of all God has given glory to people before...
Psalm 3:3
But you are a shield around me, O LORD; you bestow glory on me and lift [ Or LORD , / my Glorious One, who lifts ] up my head.
Psalm 8:5
You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [ Or than God ] and crowned him with glory and honor.
His guy will argue back that God gave Jesus HIS OWN GLORY, which he can give no other. So this proves Jesus is God. However, we see that Jesus gave this glory that was given to him from God to the disciples...
John 17:22
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
So does that make the disciples God as well?
As for the preexistence issue well all of us preexisted in God's knowledge. The God loved Jesus before creating him and therefore this is the glory that Jesus had with God...
John 17:24
Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
by quoting John 17:5 to prove Jesus' deity. As a matter of fact, just read two verses before it we see that Jesus is not God...
Here Jesus is saying that the Father is the only true God. Jesus is not God and Amen to that.
This such a problem that st Augustine Christian theologian and church father 354-AD TO 430 Ad
Changed the words to
“And this he adds
IS eternal life that tho may know you the only true god and Jesus Christ whom you sent
The proper order if the words
THAT they may know you And Jesus whom you have sent as the THE ONLY TRUE GOD
That’s the common answer Christian give either quote I gave answer to both possible answers about giving glory
# 1 Jhon 7:4 (before creation )
talks about God giving Jesus glory that Jesus had with him before the world began proves nothing. First of all God has given glory to people before..
And I gave examples of this
2#
And d if you say Jesus pbuh had been given glory after creation then
John 17:22 (after creation )
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
So does that make the disciples God as well?
3#
The other verses brought up are quoted from Paul's writings but I can care less about what Paul has to say. I want to see what Jesus said from his own lips.
4# John 17:3
this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Here Jesus is saying that the Father is the only true God. Jesus is not God and Amen to that.
Jhon 17:3 as it’s a explicit verse
5# this such a problem that the church fathers like Augustine changed the words
“And this he adds IS
“IS eternal life that tho may know you the only true god and Jesus Christ whom you sent
The proper order of the words is
THAT they may know you And Jesus whom you have sent as the THE ONLY TRUE GOD
Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
The McCarter study bible clearly says
Jesus pbuh did not known not that he hide the knowledge
@@shahidhussain9176 Oh boy..you got the meaning wrong..
All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain-- Rev.13:8
It is NOT Jesus Christ who was slain from the foundation of the world..It was the people who worships the beast and those people's names were not written in the Book of Life FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD..
Lord Jesus Christ died ONLY ONCE and He was resurrected and this was nearly 2000 years ago..
Have a great day..
@@entity5678
I got it wrong lol 😂🙈 no my dear friend you just don’t like the answer
@@shahidhussain9176 I clearly showed you the verse too..may be you have the problem understanding the different styles of English and that's why you have to read different versions, then you will grasp.
The phrase you used slain from the foundation of the world doesn't make sense for any fluent english speaker..
Ex: Those two girls didn't come to school FROM the day of school's renovation..MAKES SENSE
Those two girls died FROM the day of school's renovation..DOESN'T MAKE SENSE..
So the correct usage is: Those two girls died ON the day of school's renovation
Just the usual contradictions again no wonder i left the church so much happier now....
1 Peter 4:6 For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.
1 peter 3 says that the Goodnews was preached to the spirits in prison the ones that died in the flood. So, if people tell you no one gets a 2nd chance don't believe it. Christ preached to those who have died so they could all receive him. He died for the sins of the whole world not just for those who serve him now.
What about people who lived before Christ and lived in China for example. They didn't worship the God of Israel, right? Did they know they had a sin problem and needed a savior?