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The va sounds like she’s mad that the college was too poor to pay va. She really is making people feel less sympathy for va. The creator had no malicious intent
This is why I hate English dub of anime/manhua series.
You can bet your ass I will not watch "SOLO leveling", english dubbed, because i already know the english VA's will ruin it.
it will be either japanese or korean for me.
VA should have some desperation to keep their job, that is how you get real emotion in acting, not because you got paid 10K for that line.
in japan this is very visible, for every line you do not want to say, there are 1000 people in the line who can and will be replacing you.
Plenty of VA's do work for free.
What more do you expect from that Grey Delisle scumbag? 😒
@@darknessblades
What kind of demented shit did I just read?
@@Her_Imperious_Condescensionloser shit 😂😂😂
By blacklisting people from getting VA you just perpetuate the need to use AI since you're not allowing them to hire them. Great move, top notch, absolutely phenomenal, truly a 9000 IQ move.
I thought the same thing. “Shit, now I can’t hire ANY voice actors. Guess I gotta AI the entire next video now.”
This is my thoughts as a a writer looking to get off the ground, I have 2 options to dodge the toxicity of a lot of people here by:
1. Commissioning Japanese artists to draw/voice for my work
2. Commissioning AI to do the work instead
Yes. I was thinking it would be something of a power move for that college student to go on and do videos professionally and use AI exclusively for voices. Just don't use an AI copy of one specific VA. If the AI can copy a specific person, it should be able to 'remix' a voice by combining a few or tweaking one. Really, human voice actors are all copying past talent to some degree themselves, or what they present would be so alien no one could relate to it.
Like when Taxi drivers boycotted Uber/Lyft by refusing to perform Taxi duties. "What're you gunna do if there's no Taxi service, huh?!" Call an Uber/Lyft 🤷
darn, ya beat me to it
Can you imagine seeing yourself as this kid? Just an aspiring artist being proud of this project you did by yourself; only able to hire a single voice actor for 10$, and suddenly you get back-lashed by the people you admired in that industry and berate you for creating a dedicated animation? That would instantly crush my heart.
Fr imagine doing a fanart of some actor in a movie and they try to cancel you because you didn't pay them for their face or didn't hire them to pose for you
Nah. He just proved to everyone that voice actors aren't needed anymore. I think it's great and should he.
You're saying 23 year old kid as if they're not allowed to vote at 23.
@@margaretjames3878 you think a 23 year old knows everything? You expect too much from gen z, they had to grow up because of everything the world gave them
@@margaretjames3878 I personally consider anyone under 25 a kid, because their brain is not fully developed yet.
Thing is that Grey didn't even originate Daphne's voice. The voice sounded more like Heather North than Grey. Sooo she forgets that she's a replacement not the "original" Daphne.
That's what burns me up the most. Like sweetie, you don't OWN Daphne.
@@drawingdragon Is she mad that he used AI to recreate her voice or is she mad that he didn't hire another VA to do the voice for Daphne. Like the animator admitted that he spent like $10 to hire a VA to voice shaggy, so why didn't he do the same for the rest of the cast? Too broke?
@CozierConch the other characters have a specific type of voice that can't be done in an impression. It's why Fred hasn't changed in decades
@@CozierConch
If you read the description of the video- yes the animator is a broke college student and didn't had the money to hire others to commission the work. Otherwise why else would he pay just $10 for a Shaggy voice?
1) that is clearly Grey’s voice. You can tell the difference from the original versus gray he even admitted to using a sample of her voice for aI.
2) he used her voice with out her consent. That’s her JOB. A lot of va’s are on contracts to the point they can’t even do lines outside of the stupid.
3) you don’t need to stop trying to justify the fact that he stole grays voice. The work is good, but he stole her voice.
I’m beyond sick of the phrase “on the right side of history.” It’s a disturbing mindset these activist types have. Do they know that all megalomaniacs, dictators, and psychopaths throughout history said similar things about themselves?
No matter what side of history you're on, you'll always find people with skeletons in their closets.
If you convince yourself you're in the moral right, there's no limit to what depravity you can do!
@@SwordfighterRedworld history in a nutshell
"Right side of history" = The Winner
All they are saying is "we will crush those who appose us" in a self-righteous way
Which side is history even on? I thought it was generally neutral.
I think the worst part is that the tweet that started it all, tagged Mindy Kaling as the voice of Velma. She did not voice velma, she voiced a charcter that dressed like Velma but otherwise was Mindy Kaling.
Exactly
“Tagged as Mindy Kahling” must be the worst disgrace to a character
@@dylanbuchanan6511 on god
NotMyVelma
I also hate how people on twitter are trying to grand stand by saying 'oh he could have just asked some VA's to do it for free. There's people out there who would." Not only is it wrong to go into a project expecting people do things for free, it would come off as rude. Not to mention, they they ever think that this kid just didn't know that? I sure as hell didn't know there's apparently a community of mystery VA's out there waiting and willing to do shit like this for free. But those same people commenting this didn't even bother pointing him in the right direction of the so called 'free VA's'
@@margaretjames3878I thought Craigslist was just for drug dealers and scam artists? Why try to work with sketchy weirdos with unknown mic quality when AI can just give me a voice?
I guess we just didn’t know but it’s still considerable to show where to find them instead of bashing. We just have the mindset where we pay VAs for their time and effort. Understandable there are VAs that prefer to get paid instead of doing it for free/volunteering.
@@margaretjames3878 But it’s bad to pay creators in “exposure,” this is something the internet has hammered into our heads. And now that’s supposed to be good to do? Make up your minds.
The myth of the VA who will work for free because they're a fan
Ah yes, let’s blacklist an animator for using ai voices, thus forcing him to only use ai voices from now on. Truly the height of human intelligence.
The glue waits for nobody
Natural stupidity
"Banning someone from a store they stole goods from forces them to steal more goods!"
@@AveryHyenaThat is a horrid comparison, comparing the use of AI to stealing is a huge leap of logic go on tell me how would he pay every VA or should he go begging random people to do voicelines for him for free or maybe make every character mute
@@kingsuperbobboy So I can use your real life likeness and ai-generated voice for free in my project, right?
Also yes, you should pay people for their work. A radical idea in 2023.
Being canceled by Hollywood is a badge of honor
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yeah that letteraly a platinum trophy in real life
That's why I respect people like George Lucas. Weather you liked it hard some of his films, you at least gotta admire his hatred for Hollywood and refusal to work with them.
Hero Hei inspires me.. My parents said if i get 40K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
@@namantherockstar Begone spambot
I've been really upset with the response from other VAs. The things that have been said to the animator are truely disgusting and i dont think VAs realise that when they attack people like this, it not only reflects badly on them, but the community as a whole.
It's kinda of a sad truth that most of the VAs are bigger POS than the Hollywood actors.
Why would professionals care about mindless fans thing. We're just a paycheck to them. Or an obstacle when we don't give them money because they deemed to grace us with voice thing a fictional character
@@shaekelley6500 The amount of people in this very video thread and in the anime community who think voice actors are our friends are so sad and funny. Its like giving me vibes like twitch watchers and developing attachment to streamers in a unhealthy manner. They are never are friends and I just like their work from time to time, They don't mean much to me as a person. Like come on guys these are the people who hate and despise you based on superficial things like politics and the like.
I say this as somebody who has specific anime I love dubbed. They intently bring a more political slant to their work when dubbing anime and it makes me sick.
I hope ai evolves further just to torment these people more. Erica,grey, whatever all of them deserve it.
@@keonkla Still, showing out hate against those people whom basicly a reason for your profession's existence are not really a thing a VA should do. Because yes, without fans their job weren't exists in the first place, or at least with worse payments than a street cleaner's.
Woah! You mean the people that let their D-list fame get way up their heads may not be genuinely nice???
Grey DeLisle already made herself out to be a pretty distasteful person on her Twitter, but yikes is this a new low. It’s always disappointing to learn when people of talent make fools of themselves.
yup and the voices she usually does in games and shows is stuck up bratty english chick.
Never idolize actors and never idolize your heroes.
Respect 📉📉📉
oof, celebs being actual bad people who woulda thought
I mean to play Azula you gotta know how a psycho bitch acts.
The fact that Grey jumped to conclusion without properly reading the entire letter of the creator possibly just shows that she was only concerned with the fact that she isn’t gonna make cash off of this even though it’s a passion project. I personally am not a fan of using AI for roles cuz it takes jobs away from well deserving actors but she has to understand that she just blasted someone who was working on a $10 and said that he was gonna find actual VAs to redub the short. Most actors today in Hollywood are so spoiled whenever they can’t make money off of a property they’re attached to that it’s nauseating after a while.
Whether you like or dislike AI, this is petty from the VA to try to blacklist a guy for a fan project. I know it's a hard topic but you see when people handle this situation well or not. And this isn't handled well
Hero Hei inspires me.. My parents said if i get 40K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
I don't think is petty ... they are trying to protect themselves and their work ... This project shows how easy it is to replace them, and VA's are scared
it supports why we should replace them. their attitude and entitlemtn is disgusting.
and it's not even like they're good.
I could understand if a company did this, or if this creator monetized the video, but it's a 23 year old who just wanted something for their portfolio, and the video wasn't monetized. He's young and this is the only video he used AI in from all I can tell. He's young and he's playing with AI voices. Besides, Disney is already doing much worse by trying to make Darth Vader a fully AI voice robot that they don't need to pay. Why aren't these actors setting their sights on Disney? Oh, because Disney has the money to pay them millions to literally sell them their voice, like a certain Disney villain.
@@mauricioaguilera3194they’ve protected their work for years and have put such a strangle hold on it where newcomers can’t even get jobs unless their sign the stupid contracts with unions.
To hell with ‘protecting their work’, if you harass and blacklist an aspiring creator, you don’t deserve work. Easily replace these elites with newcomers who can do just as good
Oh no, blacklisted from the industry wrought with allegations of sex crimes? He has my sympathies.
What?
@@KingBatch07 you been living under a rock for the past two decades?
@@KingBatch07He's being sarcastic, just in case you didn't catch on.
@@KingBatch07They're talking about the KickVic Incident of 2019, but I thought DeLisle was neutral.
@@bachilles3285 Funny thing about that was Vic was just an innocent Christian voice actor, yet Funimation and Roosterteeth made false allegations against him. Even the fans those voice actors tried to use as evidence against him saying they didn't like the hugs, they did like the hugs and they defended Vic. So really all Funimation had to go off of was Jamie Bulma voice actor heresay story about a jelly bean. Then later other stuff about Funimation came out, like making inappropriate adult themed mock up voice acting clips of the Dragon Ball characters including incest with Chichi and Gohan that should have went against the contract with Toei giving them the rights to dub Dragon Ball. Then the stuff came out about Rooster Teeth mistreating their employees. And I'm outta the loop for a while but I think Vic still never got his due process. Broly was good because of Vic, and Vic also did the English openings for Kai and GT. Vic was awesome, I will never forgive Funimation and Roosterteeth.
VAs complaining about AI "taking thier jobs" for a fan short has the same energy as rights holders complaining about "lost sales" for media they literally don't sell.
Rich people are good at pretending to be victims. Always have.
If it’s the industry doing it, it’s justified.
@@jarekkish5515 "DEY TERK ARR JAWBS". What they expected is this 23-year-old broke college student was just supposed to ring them up and pay them thousands of dollars for a fan animation that wasn't even that serious. Hollywood is just full of insufferable assholes who think they are morally better than us lowly poor people. It's going to really suck for them the day AI gets advanced enough that you can fine-tweak the voice to exactly what you want and nobody can tell that it's AI. I'm usually against the AI in the industry but these assholes make me want to see AI replace them. The WGA is already full of entitled A-Holes who love the smell of their own farts. Really stable move there to punch down on a kid trying to do the best he can with what he has.
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Bruh, this woman cheated on her first husband and only accidentally confessed to it so for all we know she would've never admitted it. It's always the crappiest people who bark the loudest about morality. Unfortunately, people like that don't learn things unless it's the hard way so the creator apologizing is just falsely making them feel like they had a point when in reality Delisle is just being petty/insecure.
wait,she actually did that ? wow thats SUPER shitty
@@Shinobido567 If you look up the interview it's like a sitcom situation. They were playing scrabble and her husband was like "are you cheating on me?" and she breaks down crying and confesses not understanding he was talking about the game. lol.
@@maskedbadass6802 damn,holy shit….that’s super fucked up and I sincerely hope karma hits her where it hurts
The more I learn about her 😭
I just assume that nobody in the entertainment industry is a good person in real life.
It's sad to see Grey resort to this, she is a legend in her own right but now that she has kept tweeting utter vomit she has lost my respect. I completely understand why she is upset about the use of AI but I cannot overlook the extreme reaction to someone who just wanted to make something for the sake of love for the IP.
I support her right to fight against the use of her voice in AI in the VA industry, but this does not compare to an actual TV/game production, she should apologize to the guy.
Bayonetta 2.0
Really makes me wonder what kind of mental state such a successful person could be in such that they feel it is appropriate to punch down at those just starting their careers.
Grey was never a legend, but always a scumbag.
Grey is doing this because of the strikes, examples of AI being used like this (and the support they get from the public) only hurts their cause.
Oh sweet summer child, you have no idea just how big of a POS Grey and most of the voice acting community are.
I for one, support the use of AI just to spite them. She and the rest of her fellow professional liars need to be brought down a peg.
You don't need permission to create non-commercial fan works. This has always been the case.
You don't need permission to use anyone's voice for AI anyway, as voices are not copyrighted.
@@DaShikuXI IRC, SpongeBob’s voice is copyrighted, and that’s why you never hear Tom Kenny sound similar to him in any other media he voices in.
Edit: I’m wrong.
@@Dr.Oofers He can sound like Spongebob all he wants, as the voice of Spongebob is not copyrighted.
If he made a fictional character named Spangabab and did the Spongebob voice for it, that would be allowed, especially within the context of a parody.
What he cannot do however is use specific trademark phrases Spongebob uses with that voice, as that part of the writing is copyrighted.
@@DaShikuXIThat depends, aren’t character voices copyrighted?
@@kneeofjustice9619 No, you cannot copyright a voice full stop.
People are confusing commercial rights with copyright. Copyright means you own it. Commercial use means you can use it in business. Just because you have commercial rights to something does not mean you hold the copyright.
In the case of voice acting, artists sign away their commercial rights to the recordings themselves. But they retain the rights to their voice.
Way to go, Voice Actors and Actresses.
You've officially got yourselves blacklisted.
Instead of everyone sending death threats and blacklisting a young and poor indie content creator, how about someone give this dude a job in the animation industry. The dude ain't evil, he just really loves Scooby Doo and wanted to make his passion project a reality and earn no money from this. People acting like he commited the biggest sin of all sins and now he deserves the death penalty and I personally think the animation was great and only wished it was longer cause that's how well done the animator has done.
Why would they want to work in the industry? It sucks asshole. From my perspective someone should fund whatever movie they want to make, no force him into a thankless industry lol
I can understand why people would be hostile to AI. But this is just childish harassing a guy who admitted he only used AI due to his deadline for the video!
snd he had no money. it's just made for fun
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Plus it’s just a fan project
He's has circumstances financially and animation is not easy. The situation is nuisance.
Their solution too is to stop the guy from hiring VAs... when the perceived problem was them using AI instead of VAs? The dumb irony is astounding.
When this happened to Erica Lindbeck she specifically told people not the harass the guy who made an Ai cover using her voice. And now Grey wants to blacklist the kid??? For shame
Thats a big ooof
Didn’t Erica only say it AFTER getting called out for being passive about it? Erica didn’t act until people already mass harassed the video and reported it.
Erica is just as bad
@@paranoialp6426Erica didn’t try to blacklist or ask for anyone to harass them. She was just uncomfortable with the subject. Sure she could of done more to make sure the creator wasn’t harmed, but her intent wasn’t to attack them...
Unlike this situation here.
@@hiddenflare6169exactly. Besides the worst she did was ask to report the video which although I think is reactionary is nothing compared to what Grey is threatening
@@hiddenflare6169 okay, that much I’ll give. Grey is outright trying to ensure someone can’t work just because she’s unhappy.
Erica could’ve been more professional about it but I can respect she at least had better intent
I feel bad for the person that made the animation. They are really talented and don't deserve the backlash just because of ai voices
It's a small fan project with little to no budget, not a cash grab from a massive studio. Personally the idea of forcing up-and-comers to abide to standards Hollywood should be following is ridiculous especially if they're working with less resources
It sets a precedent. If VA's don't go after small fan projects using their voice then they literally have no say against a big studio who will do the same. A big studio will point at a situation where the VA's didn't get upset at people using AI to recreate their voice and use it as ammunition to fund an entire large production using AI to with that VA's voice. Not sure if she would have got so mad if the animator hire some people off of tiktok or Fiverr or something of the like.
@CozierConch I can see how it could, but at the same time big studios have the money and connections needed to hire those vas, this is a project done (mostly) by one person who didn't have that money and wanted to make something they enjoyed making. In all honesty there's a good chance those big execs who'd want to use Ai wouldn't have even known this video existed if it wasn't for that backlash
This could have been a wholesome story of VA, offering to do the voices for free so he didn’t have to use AI. But now we have this.
Yeah that would have been super nice. Unfortunately some just wanted to punch down it seems.
expecting people to work for free is insane
@@ZeldaGuy12345 Bro, did you watch the animation?? The voice lines that were made with AI were totally tame like anything from the actual scooby doo cartoon.
Your comparison here is reaching into non-existence. Take your meds.
@@ZeldaGuy12345no, you're right. we would not be happy with that completely different made up scenario you're attempting to use as a comparison.
@@ZeldaGuy12345🤡
This is exactly why people stopped caring as much for actors/actresses and other celebrities. They always try to relate to us and fail. They tried to relate by 2020, saying how it sucks to be at home during the pandemic, but their houses are like mansions filled with things that keep them busy unlike the people who are poor. Then try to protest for more money but forget they are more well off than most of not all of middle class.
But they always show their true colors, like attacking a broke college student for not hiring real actors for his animation he made as a nonprofit… like if you want real actors, actors, pay the guy the money it takes. I’m sure you’ll be fine with that small dent in your fortune…
Not to mention that a VA earns 200K dollars on AVERAGE in a year. They definitelly do not need to protest for more money.
A dollar for a hired role shouldnt be upsetting because we have rent, bills and foods & drinks which are expensive on top of making projects but they dont have to worry about that, I can get free is too much but a dollar is well than enough, if not that then atleast 5 or 10, they have so much money and having a dent would not be scary for them.
@@artistanthony1007 These greedy lazy VA's don't deserve the crumbs off my floor, let alone a whole ass dollar.
@tovarishcheleonora8542 I disagree. You have to understand those figures are probably only for successful VAs. There's a whole underside of the big name/successful voice actors that are people who struggle to find roles and get proper compensation for it. A good example of this is Sean chiplock who voiced revali in botw only was paid at most 3000$ for his role in botw. Which seems like a lot but considering how long the game was in development thats only marginally more than your average minimum wage worker makes in a single month.
There absolutely is reason to be protesting... even if some of the people protesting are absolutely going to be fine if they keep making what they are earning.
@@mercury5003 Wow. That's a lot of words for "i do not know what average means". lol
I think Clownfish said it best. The only reason they're making a stink out of it is because the video blew up. It was a small fan made video that was never meant to rake in views.
Also, Delisle isn't the first to play Daphne and technically isn't even the last (screw you, Velma), so it's funny how she specifically is going aggro on this.
Grey DeLise is not a clown, she is the entire circus.
"you should give up on your dream of being a professional animator because I cannot leech off of your success at this exact moment in time" - Grey Delisle
Honestly, the guy behind this animation shouldn't even be getting hate to begin with.
If it was Warner Bros, Disney, or Paramount, sure, but this is like one guy working on a very, VERY, small budget.
We can't all spend thousands of dollars on personal projects now can we?
THIS EXACTLY
@@ZeldaGuy12345 oh boi time to use ai voices regardless
@@ZeldaGuy12345 Who cares, AI exists for a reason.
So it's okay to steal someone's voice if you're poor? Is it also okay for poor people to murder?
@@ZeldaGuy12345should we pay the ai machines that make our cars?
She might want to focus on the real threat to her work, Hollywood and entertainment companies using AI, rather than some fan film made out of passion with no intention to run her out of the job.
Because fighting big guys is hard, and bullying little guys is far easier. And keep reminding that these slacktivists never fight to change anything, they always just want problems, not solutions. And right now, "AI" is just a free target to point as problem.
Yeah. If she wants to whine like a baby about that, she should have immediately quit being a voice actor if she dislikes AI use in the entertainment industry. The creator of the animation used AI voices in his project like a design process as part of his project, more likely to compensate his lack of financial money to hire real VAs (or maybe it is unnecessary) since this is just a fan project he made for fun, not to prove his skill since he never said that. Does Greg herself thought deeper about this?
I'm glad that regardless of people's views on AI, most people seem to be on the animators side. Personally I agree to an extent AI is theft, especially as a digital illustrator I am horrified by AI's pervasive reach into the industry even in smaller fan communities, I've always had trouble making money from art. However, this.. is honestly ridiculous. This is the same exact argument against piracy. "They're losing money!" they never were going to get that money to begin with.
God, Grey and Jay aint exactly giving the writers strike a good name by pulling this bullshit. It’s understandable that they’re worried about being replaced by AI, but to bully this poor guy who has practically NO impact on their careers or the strike WHATSOEVER and make him feel forced to go back and redo voices out of fear of being blacklisted from the industry forever is BEYOND too far. Shame on both of them, especially Grey, for even alluding to the idea in the first place.
Replace all the insufferable, deviants with AI. I won't miss them, probably neither will anybody else.
if this is how there gonna behave then maybe them being replaced with al isn't the worst idea
This is why am staying neutral on the strike. While I believe what they are doing is for a good cause I am fully aware that it's bring the worst out of people and are bullying people like this guy they believe they are superior to everyone else considering Grey brought up blacklisting.
It's a damn shame tbh
They honestly made a lot of people go against the strike.
Grey DeLisle is upset that some small independent animator can't pay her thousands of dollars. She has zero sympathy from me.
That disappoints me. I looked up to her like the other VAs and she turned out to be like that.
i’ve been in the same room as Grey DeLisle where she was ripping on an 8-year-old kid for asking an innocent question; and she thought she would demonstrate her feminism on his question of a cartoon for boys. There’s a long list of shit she does and it includes the reasons why she’s been divorced 3 times
I'm now curious for what was the question and what was her demonstration. 👀
Same I'm curious to know the question
On January 6 2021, Grey actually blocked one of her fans from Facebook for no reason. She was later forced to apologize. Grey is a unique anti-Trumpist, as she has been able to freak out the day Trump resigned.
What was it?
"for boys" *XD* that right there's a red flag indicating someone doesn't know G for General animation's universal and regardless of gender/age/race and whatnot
I honestly feel bad for this dude. They’ve been shoved into a no win scenario due to no fault of his own. I really doubt he wanted his shorts to get this kind of publicity (a launching point of argument on the topic of ai) rather than just discussing the art itself. I really hope they’ve got a future in the animation industry. They seem talented, and I would hate to see all of that get thrown out over something so far beyond their control.
I mean he's got a ton of exposure and a horde of rabid twitter/youtube commenters at his back him. If he's just selling his animation skills then he just got a ton of exposure. The fact that he used AI voices is irrelevant to a company looking to hire an animator, since the company will decide how the voice acting will be done, not him.
Honestly he is kind of in a win-win situation if you look at it from another angle. A ton of exposure for his work, and being blacklisted by VA's doesn't mean shit if you work at a studio, or better yet, he's got an legitimate excuse to use AI voices now. Not to mention there is TikTok and Fiverr VA's doing work for cheap and don't care about a Hollywood elite VA's blacklist.
theres no way a professional has just done something like that
Hero Hei inspires me.. My parents said if i get 40K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
Don’t bother with the bot above everyone. This guy has been around for years, and gathered more subscribers and views than he deserves.
Yup it's happened unfortunately.
Being a professional has nothing to do with being a mature, reasonable, or good person.
its simple they are not professionals they CLAIM to be professionals but most of them only have one voice talent to their name.
The fact she’s trying to blacklist him because he created something that was simply just for fun is so disheartening. I know AI isn’t accepted by many many people, but the guy clearly meant no harm when creating it, he was very try to the source material, it’s not like the AI was saying anything crude or other stuff, they were in character. Like straight out of a classic Scooby Doo cartoon.
But to have a VA stoop this low is just demeaning, the guy was having fun creating that and now he’s getting blacklisted because of it.
People will have to accept AI soon enough. Dude just showed the entire world how useless voice actors really are. I mean, why pay cry babies thousands when you can just AI and get all the voices? Better get used to AI.
@@edmondgreen7970that isn’t a good thing my man. It’s just a cheaper lower quality alternative to actually good content, which just makes movies worse overall
@@edmondgreen7970Yes because this woman certainly speaks for all voice actors around the world.
@@Dotical the other va responses certainly speak for themselves with the rest of the vitriolic responses, good point.
@@ToaHurlak52 Okay yeah sorry, I should’ve pointed out also that the other people agreeing with her doesn’t mean we should punish all VA’s as a whole. Their will always be stupid people in every group, but that doesn’t mean we should punish the group as a whole. Eagan made something incredible, he didn’t have the money to hire a full group of VA’s, so using AI in that situation is reasonable, being a million dollar company who can definitely afford professional voice actors would not. Sorry I made it seem like Grey was the only one spouting nonsense. Have a good day.
This situation has single handedly changed my view on Ai quite a bit. Disgusting that instead of trying to justify why it would be better to get real VA's whenever possible to have better more natural and realistic emotion they literally resort to the extreme of blacklisting you over a passion project.
There's no reason to VAs at all. They need to learn to code.
Also they just got angry and freaked out without knowing the context of the situation. The creator outright didn’t have any money for VA’s, the only humans he could get to be voicing the project was himself and someone for Shaggy, it’s not as if he chose AI over actual VA’s and he is even looking for VA’s to dub over the animation now that it’s gotten so popular.
AI isn't even a bad thing either, I've seen lots of cool things from it. Artists are overreacting
Al is a tool just photoshop and blender. People fear mongered over too.
@@matowakanArtist who agrees with you 100%. I'm actually getting downright sick of seeing those "No AI" posts all over DA and Artstation. I'm of the belief that the entire anti-ai thing is a psyop to get people to demand more regulation and control over the internet.
I'm so disappointed with Grey Delisle. She was the student of my favorite VA, Mary Kay Bergman and Mary Kay did all the female roles in South Park and did the VO of the revamp of Snow White which caused her harassment and to be bullied horrifically.
Grey is being a huge bully right now on an Indie artist and I am sure Mary Kay would be so disappointed.
That's just messed up to the core! He was just a 23-year-old new to animation, and he created such a good fanmade project (even though I have never watched it), only for the Daphne VA to blacklist him amongst the VA community. I hope that 23-year-old gets his justice.
I hope this "blacklist him!!!" woman will get a big backfire from her idea and loose every possible future work.
Yeah lets blacklist the guy who used some AI from hiring actual VAs instead! That'll teach em for using AI! - Hater of AI
he's 23, he knew exactly what he was doing. He knew what the VA and a lot of artists thought towards AI in general, and took the risk.
@@yabai7652I doubt that
@@yabai7652 nice assumption, but it's possible that people don't pay attention to what's going on with the VA industry and what opinions they hold because they aren't a part of it. The guy's 23 and new to what he's doing. Why in the ever loving hell would he be concerned with what the VA industry thinks of certain things?
Everyone of these people that say "the right side of history" just need to vanish forever.
Don't know about "vanish forever," since I'm weird like that, but someone saying they're on "the right side of history " is a MASSIVE red flag.
At least you know where to stand if you had any doubts.
Of course someone like you would say that.
*_YOU ARE CLEARLY NOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY_*
-Someone from Twi..X probably.
That "the right side of history" is more like "be on my side of money hunger or you are the Devil himself! Reeeeeeeee!!".
"Right side of history" is a more pretentious and judgemental way of saying "My way or the highway". At least in the second, you know the person isn't trying to claim the moral highground - they're deadset in their views and won't budge. "Right side of history" is "I've already decided on this issue and I won't budge. Also, I'm better than you."
When i saw this a few days ago i KNEW this was going to happen. The quality this guy produced on his own is too high! It's really a badge of honour to get this amount of hate, if he had done a mediocre job with his project no one would bat an eye.
If someone tells you to be on the quote “right side of history,” that’s an immediate red flag.
the irony of VAs blacklisting an animator for using AI for a personal project is that said animator will only have the option to use AI in future projects. bundy_chu points it out perfectly
Poor guy. He had no idea what the VA community was like. Great job with the first impression, Grey.
As someone who's dabbling in casual voice acting, I also had no ide what the VA community could be like.
Voice actors are just like actors, you can’t trust them because their whole job is a lie. Also they are usually rich and stuck up. No doubt they do a good job tho. Azula is the only thing on the tip of my tongue i can show an example of for her great voice acting, and that’s great. And the whole social thing, at least for people who use the internet talking space too much, is to start arguments. Hell sometimes I’m tempted to start an argument in reply sections. That’s what the internet does to you. Anyways the social thing yeah they have a new agenda in celebrity land. Whether it be new world order or poison the peoples mind is a whole idk from me. But the agenda is there for sure. And her, as the celebrity falls into that. But you can understand her frustration with the AI thing. That is most understandable. And hey it’s her choice to blacklist a random guy. This whole situation is a “I’m worried about something so I’m gonna do something about it despite it probably not being a big deal BUT it could be!” At least that’s how I see it. What was your comment about again?
@@markymar Lying and acting are two very different things.
Lying is when one person knows they're being dishonest, and the other does not. It's done for the liar's personal gain.
Acting is when everyone knows that the performance is an act, with no true attempt to decieve the audience. Everyone knowingly goes on with the act to be entertained.
Not like he needs them. Not like anyone needs them anymore.
From everything I've heard, Grey DsLisle is just not a likeable person at all. Her having an asshole knee-jerk reaction and then not backing down seems just in-line.
The dude made a great animation, and even if I’m a bit iffy about the AI voices, I can understand why he did it. I can also understand why VAs wouldn’t like it. But that doesn’t mean you should blacklist the dude, especially when he’s willing to fix it.
This guy is getting WAY too much hate. He shouldn’t be blacklisted it was a harmless fan project.
while I agree with the fact that he shouldn't be blacklisted, i find it quite disrespectful to use someone's voice without asking first. Like i'd understand if the voice actor doesn't want to voice a character without getting paid, but to use their voice without permission kind of feels wrong (if you get what i mean). Like I wouldn't want to wake up tmrw and see that my voice was used to make some kind of content without informing me, even if its the best piece of media out there, id still like to be advised. Maybe this is just a me thing, but i feel like both sides are in the wrong.
@@chibispartanch.2380 If someone is financially profiting off of using someone else's voice then I agree with you.
@@PeterGriffin11 I understand your point, but for me it’s just the whole privacy aspect of the AI stuff. It’s just with AI rapidly going I’m starting to get a bit scared of what our societal limits on them are. An example of this is the whole deepfake corn stuff that happened not long ago. Like at what point does simulating someone with AI become a violation of privacy? If their voice is ok, then what about their face? Of course there’s also context and all, but it’s just this whole thing of simulating people’s likeness with AI without them knowing that just doesn’t sit right with me, even if there’s no monetary gain. It’s mostly the whole letting out to the public as well. If you’re sitting at home and using a AI voice changer to have fun sounding like someone I have no issue, but it’s when you post it online that it gets into kind of a weird spot. Yet again maybe it’s just a me thing and I’m making too much of a big deal with it. Maybe it’s just because I’m an aspiring VA and the whole “AIs are going to steal our jobs” thing is getting to my head.
@chibispartanch.2380 I get what you mean, but no VA is going to give you the rights to use their voice. He likely should have used other voices.
@@chibispartanch.2380so you need to ask and plead for each and every VA when you do a video game record/stream?
Do you also need to plead for a right at a music band for such option as a listening their vocal at yours party with friends or for a family video archive edits?
Do you really want to live in the world where instead of the fair-use laws you would need to ask not even a company or other entity that owns IP, but each and every damn person which worked under a product, be it game, cartoon, song, etc?
Well, that VA's reaction prety much now justifies him using AI for VA, since no one would want to work with someone like her LOL.
The strike is literally to support underpaid writers...
He IS an underpaid writer.
Besides, AI is a great tool and will almost always have some imperfections. (Such as terrible memory or pitching issues.)
Plus it's difficult to create new voices or new ideas with AI, so voice actors and writers will still have a job.
Exactly! Most VAs are failed actors (Tara Strong, Wil Wheaton, Mark Hamill) who have the easiest job on the planet. As their failed "Performance matters" shows they are scared because they have no talent and being replaced.
@@deadpoolguy283 Wait Mark Hamill? Love that guy, pro hobby ai or not. Old Markie, one of my favorite guys.
He got SUPERcast as Luke skywalker. He could never use his face again, incredible joker, incredible voice actor. If anything, he got stuck for being too talented. The Star sydrome, Daniel Radcliff's Harry Potter vs Emma Watson Hermonie and Belle (Beauty and the beast/Stardom).
Can admit i am pro hobby ai but always been a fan of Hamill though understandably would understand him being worried about not letting a voice replace him. We love it for our personal circumstances.
But you would understand anyone worried about your boss putting down a robot to replace you too, right?
Then again, i would be sympathic to anyone who disowned anyone who, due to a fan, began to attack them though. I wouldn't be surprised if someone i previously loved the day before turned out to be terrible with the whole debate clouding their eyes.
I neutrally loved Vizviepop a small bit (watched their projects from the start, went meh on helluva, loved Husk). But then they had some very derogatory remarks about the scooby doo creator, very hypocritical and they stayed insulting and dismissing when they made it.
I can see the fear over being replaced and to be frank, even as pro hobby im not here to dismiss it. I wish they'd focus on the people who'd actually hurt that stuff, the corps looking to starve them on whim for spite. Not their fucking fans or hobbyists, for pete's sake. A "EXTREMIST" hobbyist will have fun.
A "moderate" corporation like hollywood will starve them on the streets, cut off the trees for water, intentionally state they want to see them starve, and refuse to feed people over 1% of income so they can run a ferarri on dollar store wheels. Screw them, not the fans.
Contrary to VAs it's not life or death we want from the people we looked up to, maybe misplaced fears in admiration in misplaced fears of being replaced. They should be lobbying for corporates to have legal protection/compensation rights.
Like artists must be paid for ai voices or opt in, but like used for sick days, cannot be used to replace, and completely opt out, with the labor rights union also being given oversight next to OSHA to make sure worker conditions aren't uncivil or exploitative and punishable as osha is. Instead of shitting over small timers all day!
I remember when a VA cried about not being paid enough despite being paid quite well.
All because they’re not able to find enough jobs like everybody else.
It’s not like companies can make games starting their character every month.
Edit: It’s the lack of jobs not pay though underpaid VA’s do exist.
Don't vilify all voice actors for the bad behavior of only one of them.
And yeah some voice actors really do get underpaid. I think one actor who dubs anime only got like $600 for 12 episodes of a show. That doesn't even cover a month of rent in some places. Let alone groceries. So unless they got multiple roles like that a month which isn't always the case. They just can't afford to live without also getting a part time job which would cut down their availability to record even more.
@@ghoulchan7525 Depends heavily on the performer. Union VA's get better pay and more frequent work, plus residuals. More famous ones like Grey command substantially more; she's a very wealthy woman. Anime bit actors tend to be the worst paid.
@@Mortablunt my point was just. not all VA's are paid equally. a lot of them aren't rich.
but yeah.
@@ghoulchan7525 sorry that wasn’t the opinion I wanted to get across.
Just saying the VA’s are only complaining because lack of jobs not lack of pay.
“Right side of history” it always comes off so pretentious. Especially in this context of rich privileged people complaining they don’t get paid enough to live in one of the most expensive cities ever in the history of humanity… while being the same people that laughed at normal people losing their jobs and simply telling them to learn to code.
Well, it is pretentious. That's for sure.
Any one who uses "the right side of history" , I'm sure they didn't read or understand a history book.
Sounds like a line of a cult leader, maybe I should use that for my cult leader character.
And the funnier is that VAs are getting about 200K dollars on Average every single year. So i guess they not really have to cry about money if they know how to use it.
@@ZnamTwojaMama101 And if that character need a voice then it will be very funny if you make Grey to say that line. 🤣
Lol 😁😁😁 "It was my first time working with voice actors..." *_AND_* probably his last time.
After all this, this guy is probably just replace all these toxic VA's with more Ai
Sadly from the apology tweets in the video.... he will feed those actors in the future with more jobs.....
Thing is, there's lots of fans who wouldn't mind doing voice acting. If voice actors want to be negative, it'd be possible to go to an anime convention and recruit a whole mob of new talent.
Aleks Le, who voices Luke in the new game Street Fighter 6, agrees to voice in just about every fan project out there for little to no money. It keeps his name out there and ingratiates himself with the community in hopes that his good will is paid back later with more big contracts. Gianni Matragrano and Luke Correcia have similar business models. If other voice actors do this, we wouldn't need AI and everyone would be in better spots creatively and financially.
This is what I think is the best stance for VAs against Ai. If you know that Ai could replace you, be willing to do the voices that you are known for, for free. They can make money later, but it will show you're humble, and not someone that people would dislike. Just trying to gatekeep everything in response to AI, unfortunately that makes the push for Ai stronger every time something like this happens. He knew they wouldn't have done it for free, so he went with the last resort. If the actors did it for free, everyone is happy. He still makes a good project, no Ai used, and the actors get some points added to their public likability.
I guess his ego isn’t as big as Grey Delisle, the woman who “voiced our childhoods.”
Aleks appeared in a Doobus Goobus video as Luke once
I'm not sure which is worse... Grey DeLisle trying to get people to blacklist & cancel a young student trying his hardest to make it for using AI in a fan project, or Tara Strong a few years back trying to get people to blacklist & cancel the new official Powerpuff Girls VAs so she and the "real" original cast can take over. Disappointment all around, nevertheless.
as much as awful the PPF reboot was i dont think the voice actresses in that show were that bad...they just needed to be in a much better show.
The new PPG does suck and not just because of the new cast. They should've just aired the PPGZ dub to have fresh PPG on TV.
Add to that, Troy Baker and the NFTs.
Tara Strong did that? Yikes.
@@Dinker27Troy doubled back on the nft project lmao he listened to criticism and didn't go through with it
The guy was too poor to hire actors so he used AI for 50 year old voices, why is this such a controversy?
Because AI.
Literally that, that’s all it is.
It involves AI and now a fuss is made.
Because, atm, "AI" is the most buzzword of 2023, the greatest evil entity that every retarded savior syndrome pos craving to use it as free token for virtue signaling.
That's the wildest part to me - my guy literally was intentionally creating short snippets with grainy audio filters to Mimic the _original_ Scooby Doo cartoon.
There was 0 job opportunity stolen from anyone
All they did was bring visibility to this project, and shines a light on the monopoly the industry has
If the VAs wanted to be a part of the animation they should want to provide their voices for passion projects. The Animation is so amazing I didn’t realize it was made in Blender but it makes sense. People get too mad when AI voices are used for smaller stuff.
I thought it was stop-motion (the thing when you make photographs with dolls and then put the photos together to make a video). At least from what we seen in Hero Hei's video from the fan work.
Legally official voice actors of some characters can't voice the same character in a fan work. It could be considered breach of contract. So even if they were willing to do it for free. They can't.
@@tovarishcheleonora8542 yeah there’s another animator whose done similar blender animation before, Worthikids, they got a few videos likely inspired by the Rankin/Bass style of stop-motion.
It’s still fucking awesome to see it, though. 3D can really bring back some of the older styles of animation lost because it’s not as time efficient to produce.
@@Pyrotrainthing Actually there is a good (but old) stop-motion series called "Kétbalkezesek" with any speaking, and it's pretty good.
Just mentioning in case if you like this stuff. ;)
With all the respect I have for Grey DeLisle, she needs to take a chill pill. Trying to get an independant artist blacklisted for using A.I. because he didn't have enough money to hire anyone and didn't know free voice actors were a thing is one of the most childish and petty thing I've ever seen. Online teens acting like freaks and ganging up on the artist like bullies are already a huge problem, but an adult woman trying to use her influence to ruin a struggling artist's career is just disgusting.
Why do you respect her? Genuine question, what has she done that's at all worthy of respect?
@@LedZedd I respect more the artist rather than the person. Grey DeLisle has been doing voice acting for the past 2 decades now and has voiced many characters like Daphne from Scooby-Doo, Mandy from The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Azula from Avatar : The Last Airbender, Monster Girl from Invincible, Masha from The Owl House, Vicky from Fairly Oddparents and many more. She's a bit of a legend in the voice acting business.
None of that means she deserves any respect, she's just another shitstain in the VA industry that we'd be better off ignoring. @@LePLusCoolDesCools
@@LePLusCoolDesCools Yeah, she's a solid voice actress, but I don't respect her non-professional side at this point. I basically separate the art from the artist at this point. Lashing out at fans is never a sign of good intentions.
@@theonewhowrotethis5681 Agreed. I do respect the artist, but this is despicable behavior regardless.
VA: upset about Creator useing AI.
Creator: wants to use VAs in future projects.
VA: wants Creator blacklisted.
Creator: does not find VAs , uses AI again.
VA : O.O how did this happen?
Intelligence isn't for everybody I guess
Likely the only reason the VA is so mad is because the project went viral and the animator of the video is actually talented enough to gain a legit following. If this was some small low quality video with only 2000 views or something, I doubt the VA would be so vicious about it. Just sad really.
I feel bad for the guy honestly, he's just a college kid trying to make his way into the animation industry, with as much effort as possible. You can't just expect him to grab VA's out of nowhere when he's clearly stated he's broke. The fact he was able to even make such a fluently good and accurate animation to what the Scooby Doo show was like back in the day is outstanding.
So why are we hammering this guy to the ground?
You work so hard on an animation with a low budget for VA's and you get backlash from a genuine actor, an actor who was in an industry that you admired for so long. I can't imagine how distressed he's feeling. She's 50 and he's 23, she really hit a new low for blacklisting him and I don't think he wants his name spread out everywhere in a negative way. I pray the best for this man and his future career.
Holy crap, Azula went full Azula. Good lord.
I understand where Ms. DeLisle is coming from, but I'm on the animators side with this.
He could have asked friends to do voices, instead of stealing someones voice
@@KingBatch07 Maybe.
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@@QTRemnant no he 100% couldve just asked friends and family to do the voices instead of AI
@@KingBatch07Like he said in the description of his video, he wanted the gang to sound as accurate to the actual show, so I can see why he wanted to use Ai. Plus, even if his friends/family agreed to voice act, they most likely won't sound near as accurate as he intended.
"I wil NEVER EVER work with this person"
Cool, looks like they didn't need you anyways.
I was looking through the quotes to Jay's tweet and there were some people saying he should've gotten VAs that will do it for free but work and free only go together when there's another form of personal gain(for example internships can help getting similar jobs at other companies due to experience obtained from said internship). Anybody that even mentioned free VAs as an option didn't even provide any links to some free VAs to help. Even Jay said there were free VAs that would help but when Jay was told that he should get some of his friends alongside him and do it for free as an apology for bashing the creator of the animation Jay responded basically saying he couldn't do it.
This whole situation to me basically boils down to if your not lining a VAs pockets with thousands of dollars your a bad person for being creative.
And that's why they deserved to replaced by AI.
We’re one step closer to Twitter getting annoyed that twitch streamers use a text to speak to read out donations instead of employing someone to read them out for you.
I noticed that every time a voice actor goes on a tirade its always on someone poor instead on some bigger company.
Because bigger companies aren't stealing their voice just their money
@@eddieboston6540 To be fair, it's not stealing their voices. At least not on legal term. Because you can get legal ownership for your voice.
I still have no sympathy for her after attacking Vic over a harmless joke about Broly take down COVID from 3 years ago.
The dude barely had enough money for one voice actor.(Really just a Shaggy impersonator. Not that they didn't get the job done.) He is not taking jobs away by using A.I. If anything he pulled enough money together to consciously create a voice acting gig that wasn't there before. It was his only option in his singular individual budget range and it is a fan project. It is like getting mad at some one for making fanart by using Photoshop to paint a scene. Who has been nothing but honest about that fact and just wanted to make the image for just the love of the fandom.
I am confused on what they are mad about.
Remember, we're talking about a VA who is KickVic and defended DC Douglas. This should come as no surprise to anyone.
What did DC do? All I remember is him being pretentious
@@enthiegavoir5955 talked about walking into a woman’s restroom
What about DC Douglas?
@@TheOfficialPYTC and groping a woman nonconsenually
She was kickvic?
Definitely scum.
I have to wonder if she would've been just as angry if the guy had collaborated with cheap/amateur VAs who could convincingly pull off the characters' voices. If yes, then that would bring the _real_ issue out into the sunlight: Money, money, money. These people fancy themselves the gatekeepers of these characters, and if you want to utilize those characters in any way, you gotta hire the legacy VAs and pay their ludicrously exorbitant rates. I guess it's like pro baseball: Gotta be a rich b**ch to even play. Which, if that _is_ the standard that Grey is fighting for, is an extremely poor look and very anti-artistic expression to boot.
Their solution too is to stop the guy from hiring VAs... when the perceived problem was them using AI instead of VAs? Which would just force them to use AI. The dumb irony is absolutely astounding, I hope they get replaced by their own words.
You've heard of tara strong? a while back she showed her true colors with how she tried so hard to destroy the new powerpuff girls because they didn't Cast her And the original crew as the voices. She did everything in her power to destroy the career of those voice actors to try to take over and all it did was make her look like A shitty person.
Yeah unsure about that. The animator said he hired somebody to do the Shaggy voice lines for like $10 so not sure why he didn't hire some cheap/amateur VA to do the rest? Enough time to work for how many countless hours on the animation but not enough to time work 1 shift at a fast food restaurant?
I kinda understand were VA's are coming from though. AI is literally replacing your entire jobs field and people are cheering happily as everything you worked so hard for gets destroyed. Sucks they went out and targeted a small time indie creator but at the same time if a big corporation sees that a small time indie animator can get away with creating an short film using AI to create the voice of an established voice actor, then whats to stop them from creating a full scale production using AI for the entire cast? Not to mention people using AI voices to create explicit, slanderous or even straight up criminal content. The law is gonna have to catch up real fast to draw some lines, for better or for worse.
That would be pretty shitty. I mean, she realizes she’s not the only person in history to officially voice Daphne, right? By her logic, Heather North should be mad at her.
This is the reason why people aren’t at all concerned about VAs concerns on AI, at this point these VAs aren’t being professional or even act like damn adults and actually look at the studios and companies who could do damage to they’re paychecks. But no- they chose to the do the easiest and most cowardly thing by targeting small creators and fans because “we’re on the right side of history” even though they’re just making they’re own demise by creating grudges against everyone.
Now I have more reason to never support the such a movement because the only people it looks I’ll be protecting is rich twitter users who wish to just boost they’re own ego.
And AI voices are only concern for those actors who do just as good or even worse quality of work as an AI could in current times.
While I'm not making an excuse for this actress imagine if a I use your voice to say something you normally wouldn't say
@@animezilla4486 That's a different question. Because as far as i know, the fan episode did not make any of the voices to say something that could damage the name or reputation.
Got it, so your opinion is easily swayed by anecdotes and you're heavily susceptible to psyops. I'd recommend forming your opinion based on cause and effect rather than "who is mean and who isn't"
Delisle's reaction is EXACTLY why I can't wait for AI to replace the english VA community.
At least Trey and Matt don't mind fan projects.
Well this just opened up a legal can of worms. If Actors can sue AI generated voices, then how can someone determine if the AI pulls a voice actors that sounds incredibly like that actor? How close to the original does it need to be to lock on to a lawsuit? How can it be proven that the algorithm selected that exact voice actor and not mixed two or three others?
You would need highly detailed digital voiceprints of every VA, which would then need to be compared with an AI voice, and only if they are equal would you have a case. In other words you'd never have a case.
@@DaShikuXI Voice is impossible to prove much less copyright due to one simple fact. Impressions.
Imagine "Me Too" BS movement but this time it's against AI and witch hunting every one they want to accuse.
even if you could somehow prevent people from sampling your voice for the purpose of replication you would simply have to find someone who can roughly approximate the voice and fill in the blanks from there
The AI programs can't make the voice models themselves. Someone needs to input someone elses voice to make the voice model.
Aka the guys making the AI voice models know what they are doing.
I'll make sure to catalog that voice actor in my do not hire list for when I eventually start making my own animations
As an amateur artist myself it's really disgusting how nasty creative types can be when it comes to stuff like AI. Someone wanted to bring his vision to life and an AI generator allowed him to lend a greater degree of authenticity to his project and instead of taking the high route and just ignoring something that has no effect on their careers these people dogpile on some rando for being resourceful. These people aren't in this for creative integrity, they're in it for money and clout.
This. I'm also working on a passion project and this type of shit makes me want to use more AI out of spite, not less.
This is yet another black eye for actors, actresses, and VAs.
Which really sucks, because most VA's are actually pretty awesome. Damnit, I adore working with VA's, Grey was on my dream list to have on a project someday, after this, I'm not sure I want to deal with her in any real capacity, and going through her Twitter absolutely did not help.
Bih, that looks way better than the last official Scooby movie lmao
More like the last official Scooby show, since 2020 Scoob is still decent, I think you are referring to Velma, but your point still stand
@@curious5887He's refering to the last 2D Scooby Doo movie where they canonically confirmed Velma likes women.
If she really thinks she's gonna get away with it and succeed, she has no idea what will come.
Doxx the doxxer. Cancels out the doxx
Why did he need to apologize again? because Salty VA got pressed by a fan project that will do better than they ever will?
also like a comment on twitter said. They literally give a lot of reason for animator to use AI for voices. you dont have to deal with toxic VA
Because he literally stole from them. He's right to apologize. He doesn't deserve to get blacklist for a fuckup, though, especially since he's directly apologized for it.
@@BloodrealmX nope he didnt steal from them. and he doesnt need to apologize for nothing.
As he said he was not able to afford for hire VAs so i think that her reaction and comment was a bit exaggerated, she could offered to acting on this episode instead.
Hollywood doesnt make good episodes anymore like that and most of VAs are just a puppets of wokeness, very shameful childish reaction.
Respect to this men for made an great Scooby Doo episode!
she was never going to offer
that's why she went ham in a small youtuber..
@@acutelilmint8035 for that reason this Scooby Doo episode will just increase more great respecteful fan made projects, hollywood just destroyed himself again w
She couldn't even VA as Daphne in the animation film even if she wanted to, they'd get sued to the floor
@@glitchydood1558 Only if they say exact lines from the original show.
He did hire a VA to do shaggy though, granted it only cost him like $10. Rewarding somebody for using AI to recreate your voice seem like it would just incentives other to use AI as well. Ever other fan animator would just use AI in hopes they can get her to do it for free rather than hiring any other VA, amateur or otherwise. Not to mention offering to do it for free instantly deletes any bargaining she has for any company job offer. "You VA'd for free, for this guy, VA for dirt cheap for us or else we'll just use AI."
It's really about setting precedent. If VA's don't get mad at people using AI then what case do they have when a large corporation does the same. Sucks they went after some small time animator and either way it's a lose-lose.
Don't harass the guy, people see that as VA's giving consent to use AI recreations of their voice, effectively putting them out of a job.
Harass the guy, turn people away from the "Big Hollywood" VA's and push them to use AI instead, effectively putting them out of a job.
I'd love to see the 44-46th prez's get mad like this that their voices were used in gaming video parodies on YT. "He's using my voice to play FNAF, not a joke people!"
Like honestly.
This. This is the exact thing I was looking for.
This is why I am even more inclined to see what AI can do considering how unreasonable and unfortunately, incapable of understanding, people are being. The man was transparent and this moron willingly accepted the role KNOWING this beforehand. Like shit, if they don't want want to work with him for whatever reason, fine. Be an adult and look else where if you wanna get paid more or whatever. No need to be extra about it. As if they have no other opportunities in the voice acting industry considering the tech that we have. The bloody entitlement of people these days.
VAs need to get with the times: their days are over.
Honestly, I'm really glad I left the voice acting scene when I did. This is why people are gaining less respect of us. Especially from the VA giant, Grey DeLisle herself, this is just pathetic.
Grey Delisle was one of my dream VA's to work with someday. Now I'm hoping to avoid her. Please, God, don't let Tara Strong, Rebecca Shoichett, Kate Higgins, or Tara Platt turn out to also be turdwaffles!
@@Mortablunt Too late for Tara sadly.
@@bananarama1425 Stong has a bizarre veganism thing going on, but she did BTFO a Trumpler KKKultist, so she's cool.
@@bananarama1425wait, what has Tara done?
@@kinorris1709 NFTs
It's hard to even want to "stand" with the people striking with how they treat people who are struggling just to pay bills. He got no money from this project, it was all out of fun, and his own passion. So why so much hate? If anything at least if she tells all her buddies about this guy it opens up those VA spots for those who usually wouldn't get work, or are overlooked.
Or are blacklisted due to their beliefs while wretches like her keep getting work.
It's why I want both sides of the strike to burn. They're all jerks and need reality checks that just cause they get a lot of money doesn't mean they're important or even tolerable
Remember, these people don't strike for rights, they're striking for *their* rights. Everybody else can be enslaved for all they care.
“I’ll blacklist him from VA’s so that he can continue to use AI because he now cannot get VA’s”
The only thoughts going through my head with this is this guy creates fan animation uses AI generated voices and then gets blacklisted by the entire VA community making him have to rely on AI generated voices in the future. Talk about cutting your nose off just to spite your face😂
i feel so bad for him, the animation was so great and the voice acting that wasnt done by AI was so goof and felt right, its a shame that someone got mad at him
Something funny I notice while briefly skimming chats and posts?
Some (not all, but a good few) voice actors who're bitching about AI voices, defend AI images, telling artists to stop whining.
And some (again, not all, but a good few) Artists who're bitching about AI images, defend AI voices, are telling voice actors to stop whining.
That's actually really funny.
The funny thing is: 23 year old makes fan project with a lot of time and passion. Uses AI to save costs but wants a real VA to support them - the VA yells at him so its full AI 🤣
GZ, you played yourself
I'm honestly suprised DeLisle has done this as she seemed like a down to earth person originally.
I think the only way Grey can save face on this is to rescind the comment about blacklisting, apologies and offer to re dub Daphne for free for this creator but I can't see that happening given her attitude on this subject.
This. As much as I would love to see that, it's sad she would stoop this low for herself considering I grew up on a lot of her vocal performances...
And now finding out her recent name change through her 3 divorces pretty much paint a nasty picture...
I'm sick of finding out controversies from these people these past few months, first the Completionist and now Grey...
@@IAmInfinitus208 especially after she herself got called out for buy a piece of AI art of someone for an exorbitant amount relative to the quality of work.
Grey DeLisle Has stood a new low, She's becoming like Azula, but in real life.
As a broke college student, I’d use AI for voices for the meantime since I can’t afford real VA.
I watched the fanfilm yesterday and it's some of the best work I've seen in a very long time. I don't see what he did was any different than going through any of the VAs other work and sampling audio from that.
Update: A few hours after this video, Grey Delislie has returned to twitter, this time however she has absolutely been infected by the deviantart anti ai squad and the fact that there's no processing is almost comical. She's copy pasting anti ai artist rants even though she's a blatant voice actor, admitting she didn't read or see the original video, (much less read what's being thrown at her if she's saying that her voice work is deviantart anti ai art... FOR VOICE acting.), and she's also still having her fanbase of like.. 20 people she hasn't blocked still attack. She's trying to get her warner brothers lawyers to "sue" people who disagree with her. It's absolutely a clown show.
Initially even on opposing sides, i still felt like i wanted to be at least somewhat sympathic. She was a voice i grew up with and many others, vicky, Mandy (Grim Adventures), Azula, etc. However every passing moment she shows herself heavily isolated or manipulated by angles of hate, has yet to apologize, and instead doubled down on hating the creator and insisting that they are a "thief", even though they were a non profit creator who created out of limits, with mass support and millions rounding out to watch them.
Votes of supports reached 7500 for the short, seeing it as mistargeted and legitimately talented. Meanwhile Gray deslsle is having her fans rage that her name was spelled "Greg", (OF ALL THINGS", isolating her further, and basically isolating her to 20 people who agree with her and blocking everyone who criticizes her. She's a good voice actor. But not a good person. Meanwhile through all of this by comparison.
Tara strong, voicer of Timmy Turner and also va counterpart, has been voicing her support for pet shelters and animal rights while Grey Delisle has been boycotting a small creator.
Not all voice actors are seemingly awful and i hope everyone has a warm spot in their heart for fuzzy animals. But things are coming out. True or not, people are alleging on twitter that Gray Delislie is twitter rumored to have ruined her first marriage by cheating on her first husband? Twitter gossip is the source and could be completely bunk, but is she really the good person we all assumed she'd be?
The AI wars has begun. I’m on the side of AI, the side of progress!