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"MAPPA is using AI" 😱
*MAPPA employees who haven’t slept or seen their families in months:* am i a joke to you? 🗿
where is her claims coming from? what proof does she have? shes not even an animator herself. smfh.
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw her sources and proof come from the same place as most tiktok information: "trust me bro"
turned into "software OR ai" so fast
lol no obviously it's not hand-animated.. how is this worse than manga?
Mappa proabably believes in equality, and this woman believes in QUALITY.
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlwshe probably thinks, "Oh, this frame is different from the manga, it must be made by AI!", Or something like that, and adding the "speaking to an animator" bullshit to top it all.
Technically if we wanna be the best kind of correct. Software stabilizers (which most artists use) and modern denoisers (which every 3d artist uses) are both forms of ai. But that's like complaining about Hero gaming with RTX or DLSS/FSR which both use AI to denoise raytracing artifacts for RT and upscale graphics. Either way, it's not image generation.
I think by looking at her face, the platform she uses, and her false statements, we can bet she'll blame misogyny, instead of her own flaws, for how people treat her.
At this point that's just step one of the recovery process for these types of people
She has the soulless eyes
She has the soulless eyes
"Kowalski, analyze her argument"
"She uses Tiktok sir, no need for further analysis"
She'll also find a way to shove white washing and white supremacy in there as well. I'm sure of it
Can people stop accusing people without evidence
Its because anti-defamation law isn't enforced into their society.
It's just women.
@@nushia7192if anti-decimation laws won’t be enforced, I would settle for bringing back the mother-loving duel.
on twitter? no way, not possible, but most wish they would
@@nushia7192if it was, it would be shut up or pay up because twitter people can't keep their mouth shut
She mixed up the term AI and CGI. Mappa uses cell shaded CGI models to do their shows. It helps with certain characters more. Like Caiman in Dorohedoro. You don't have to keep track of his head spikes. But the animation can look a bit weird. Especially depending on costume changes with characters. The models can be noticeably different. Noi for example has proportion issues in shots every now and again and in certain outfits. Like her dress outfit. Her arms and legs are very wide. But her nude model has her arms and legs proportioned correctly. Muscles don't flex in the series. Because they aren't rigged to have a muscle system to simulate. But a regular animated show. Would have muscles flex and tense. Watch various scenes in Dragonball VS Dorohedoro. This is not a knock on Mappa. CGI and hand animation has pros and cons.
I mean, everyone already knows that MAPPA uses CGI... The fact that she would mix AI and CGI up is all the more reason she shouldn't be 'informing' people about how JJK is being animated...
What gets me though is this isn't really news for anime. It is well known that anime like Gundam Seed used this since the early 2000s. The technology has improved since then, but there are issues with it still.
But in the end it is a tool like everything else. Like practical effects vs cgi; practical effects can look horrible when done poorly and cheaply, as well as being just as, if not more expensive than CGI.
Most anime use CG today. It's basically common place because certain tings are a pain to hand animate and you need to save time
@@strategicperson95 Most of the issues with CG in anime solely come from time. Many anime movies use CG far more effectively and blend more seemlessly than in TV shows, which often have less time per episode and less budget.
That is true. In addition, there are shows which have computer generated inbetweens from software like CACANI such as Captain Tsubasa (2018) and JOJO's. The mix up here is that it's more "computer assisted" that AI since you have to use it during the inbetween and clean up stage and then color it manually, rather than inputting two finished images with color and effects and having it poop a third one inbetween.
Take into account the fact she didn't begin the response video recognizing her mistakes. She spends the beginning of her video trying to portray her take about how she's still technically right. Again, just think about it.
women dont know how to apologize.
As many would say, women are never wrong.
starts her response with a strawman
Woman and queer are just bad combination
Accountability = Kryptonite to women
She didn't miss the thing in ghosting. She got it WRONG. Ghosting is intentionally added, so when she said "it by using AI or frame interpolation gone wrong, and is not hand-drawn", she already got the idea wrong, despite already explaining what it is for lol.
It is not hand-drawn, true, because it is an EDIT. It's not frame interpolation gone wrong or AI if it is intended AND a non-ghosted copy exists.
This is what happens when you make a report with bias and not double check facts.
Yeah, that's kinda wild. "See this ghosting? It's AI"
People using Flowframes for years: "No it's fucking not"
As much as I absolutely dislike the current state of AI and how abused it is, people like her actually make it harder to have fair debate about it. Blind accusers are just as obnoxious as AI bros.
@@Mrhellslayerz True. AI isn't a bad thing, but I really hate how it is used (or "trained") currently. I really do want artists to have a tool to help them, not one that will replace them.
However, I can also see it's still far from being capable of making consistent frames, so its role in animation is really not much (best use case atm is color coding, but even that is still not much), so animators are still important.
She talked to AN animator. Betting one they never animated anything. Two they are an American or western animator. Or more likely she took out a pencil, made two marks on paper, called her self an animator, and talked to a mirror. Just like most media that claim to have talked to an expert.
yeah i hate the "an animator" thing because hell, i made some trash newgrounds stuff back in the day, im i "an animator"? sure but do i have qualifications to call JJK AI? helllll no, i didnt even know about the ghosting thing in japan. just because you do something doesnt mean you have the qualifications to have an authoritative take.
To be fair, 10 years in the industry, one that's in constant change, doesn't have a lot of credit. A very vague statement since the industry has a vast amount of tools and practices at their disposal that is different from company to company as well as from artist to artist. I'd have been more impressed if it came from a veteran that has made a career, than potentially an "anonymous" animator. Smells bad, looks bad. Glad she got fact checked.
Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her
Couldn’t mappa sue her if a lot of people actually believed it was by Ai?
They will only go against people who can lower their sales and people saying that something is made by a ai is not much of a problem for japanese people.
It could hurt their pride as animators, but working for a company means you don't own what you do so...
They only can sue if it affected their income in some sort of way. This can go from reputation affecting deals to directly merchandising. Since it didn't affect that at all (as far as I know), they can't do the move unless the woman doubles down, allowing MAPPA to sue her.
What would be the point? It would cost them more money than they could get, and would just cause her to gain support from uninformed people. It'd be a case of the streizand effect or however the hell it's spelled. It's best for them to just ignore her out right.
@@silvertaken Under Japanese law you can be sued for libel/slander even if what you said/wrote was true if it damages the trust in a person/company.
@@KomboEzaliTebullsh*t it doesn’t affect them in any way; we are living on capitalism!!! Consume their products till you are bored and then wait for next product!!! Meanwhile, the animators are getting exploded at minimum wage.
"It's never hand-drawn." Ah, yes, no animator could ever overlay two frames and reduce the opacity! Dat's unpossible! What a steaming pile.
"Why the angle is different is because of budget and time"
No because it's being adapted into another medium, sometimes changes are bound to be made when that happens cuz its works better in that other medium smh
What a piece of work this woman
The only reason the angles were changed is because it's easier to follow the animation with the changes.
She kept saying ghosting was done by AI at times.
It's not.
They didn't have AI drawing tech during the time of that pokemon episode she's referring to.
CGI and Ghosting has nothing to do with AI being used or not.
These people probably don't know difference between them anyways, "It's made on a computer, that means it's AI". That's the same energy as screaming that it's CGI when they see some visual effects (which can use CGI, but they're not always CGI) in live action movies.
"iconic" manga panels.
She's never read a manga in her life
It's not a story board...I know a lot of people want certain scenes from the manga, but man...sometimes changes have to be made in animation, its not just the same paint by numbers that people think it is.
she says she did research but...if she did research she might've found that ghosting has been a thing before ai
First they came for comics.
Then they came for games.
Now they come for anime.
Stop letting them come! 😩
Gatekeeping is both morally acceptable and necessary.
Optimus Prime's latest arc.
come in me instead
@@quasogod🤨📸
@@quasogod🙄
Tell that to the animators locked in their basement. They ain't see their family in a millennium.
And still, you as a regular freaky otaku fan doesn’t give a flying crap about them (animators) Double standards eh 💁🏽♀️🤦♀️?!
Shame on you, kid
Man, getting destroyed is one thing, but getting DESTORYED is something else! What will I tell people who want to hear my tale?
What?
Lol wonder how long it'll be before it's fixed
hm detstoryed worse
Whut🤨
Been almost a year bro still hasn't fixed it
Man, is it me, or does she sound super condescending in her reaction? It's hard to listen to. She seems to be speaking in circles to stop from admitting she's WRONG.
Yeah, when I watch these types of videos I usually mute them to avoid having to listen to the person in question, but it's hard to even watch her body language.
A typical tactic used to avoid addressing the issue...which is when you are wrong and don't want to admit it.
the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video. she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her, holy ...
isnt that common with those kinda ppl
Just googled it, I'm not too sure about the affects ghosting has with seizures... BUT ghosting is common practice for other reasons. It's used to help with the flow of a characters motions and helps with timing. If you look at how crazy JJK fight choreography is, it's not surprising that they'd need to do everything possible to make it flow better. Ghosting is a legit technique that has nothing to do with AI.
the seizure they're talking about is epilepsy, it's fast flashing of bright colors that causes a seizure reaction in certain individual. This is why they dim down the screen on explosion scenes in most anime now to avoid it.
It has NOTHING to do with AI or image ghosting whatsoever, that women does not know anything she's talking about. If she claims that anime studio uses software to add in between frames, then that's more believable because there are tools available decade ago for that.
The Pokemon banned episode which got many young kids seizure in japan was what pushed these laws for Japanese tv's to have ghosting on flashing light animations. most of the 90's and 2000's anime have this affect on tv broadcasts.
@@knaditya8228yeah and the Pokémon company needed a scape goat and banned porygon from the anime even though it was pikachu’s fault for thunderbolting the rocket
Every video automatically add the effect ghosting... She discovered how FPS works on a animation.
"Queer and Dank" Yeah that pretty much tells me all I need to know. "I want this to be a safe space for debate" Immediately privates/deletes any dissenting evidence or opinions. Why are these weirdos SO predictable. Every. Single. Time.
Wth what's being queer have to do with being fucking stupid
I don’t think being lgbt has anything to do with it
@@danalynch118 literally. It has nothing to do
@@ryomensdeathits a stereotype the loud minority painted
@@RichD1 what
If you're all about being an anime "freak", than getting others acceptance should be low on your priority list. I hate that Anime has become so mainstream cause yeah, there are tons of people who think it needs to be "fixed" and don't understand the differences in Japanese Culture and culture in non western countries in general.
Well no wonder Japanese are rumored to make their OWN Twitter-like platform because they don't want any Twitter culture interference.
If anything needs to be "fixed" in anime it's the hours and wages that animators are forced to work if anything
@@KakfkaLoverIt's kind of hilarious to me all of Hollywood is on strike right now, But even their low-paid people get paid decent money they just live on way to expensive place to live. And then you have people like these animators who basically have no life outside of animating. Like these people don't even get to go home and see their families most of the time. Once it would become used to privilege equal treatment looks like oppression.
@@KakfkaLover Agreed.
Yeah, western viewers who only watch anime to seem "cool" or whatever annoy me to no end cuz they don't understand that not every animated show follows the rules of western media. All these annoying girls on TikTok making claims about how "This show sexualises minors!" or "This show encourages SA!" AREN'T THE TARGET AUDIENCE. Don't watch anime if you can't stand teenage characters looking more attractive than real teens or having "spicy" moments that would never occur irl. Only watch it if you can comprehend the fact that not every country thinks like westerners.
Frame interpolation is not AI. The fact that she reads the ghosting explanation and then still insists its AI generated indicates that she has not been doing a bunch of research, nor has she been speaking to anyone who has any experience in animation
God, I love it when people spout the most wrong shit with utmost confidence. This is 200% wrong. Frame interpolation IS AI. Please check your info before confidently spreading it online.
And don't you DARE try and respond to this comment and refute that it's not AI. A simple search of "how does frame interpolation work" brings you a post by Google's AI blog, talking about how AI extrapolates information and synthesizes inbetweens.
I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt though. Maybe you're confusing Frame Interpolation with Inbetweening / Tweening?
edit : Checking your youtube channel, it seems that you do have experience in animation in Unreal and probably wider 3d software. I understand now. I forgot that in 3D software it's also called Interpolation. You're confusing the interpolation that 3D software uses vs the AI interpolation software that everyone is referring to. You are right. The frame interpolation you are referring to is not AI. But the AI frame interpolation being talked about here, which is a form of video processing, is. It was a simple mistake, but it's probably best to know that they're separate things.
@@nrishiee5231i mean, it's a program or script, it's not an ai that makes the animation by itself. It just put an opacity filter (in a VERY short and lame term). Saying it's made with ai it's just misleading.
@@KorinIta that's not how frame interpolation works?? did you even read my comment fully describing how frame interpolation works, and about google's comments on the use of AI? AI frame interpolation literally generates new frames using AI in between the existing frames. that's why it's even called AI frame interpolation.
She was wrong, but she didn't want to outright admit it. Her first video, while it wasn't trying to paint MAPPA badly for using AI, she didn't say it clearly to avoid to be taken it that way, and the last thing before the video loop didn't help as it was something bad about MAPPA's overworking practice.
I'd say she was very clumsy in making her video, but her response to the backlash was simply bad, no apology and no accountability for the screw up. It doesn't bode well for her.
I'm probably in the minority here, but if people are seeing this video and thinking she's paint MAPPA badly, then that's a them problem. Not everything has to be an accusation, and it's sad that people should have to clarify that they're not trying to talk shit before talking about something. Maybe just stop being defensive?
@Blakobness If you mention something that people find as a bad thing (such as using AI to create art), and then go on to mention 1 and only 1 person, group, or company, then people are going to think you are throwing shade. Which is why you NEED to clarify, especially incase your points where wrong.
@@frozenburst6463 I guess that's part of the problem, using the AI isn't a bad thing, and people really need to step off. This just comes off as Twitter Freak behavior to me.
@Blakobness Yes, I kind of agree on that as well. Ai art isn't bad as long as it is used right, and the artist still does work on it after just generating an image. But, the issue in this case is that Japanese culture is heavily focused around working hard. And if a Japanese company is being accused of something that is believed to mostly be lazy, it can greatly harm their business. I don't and wouldn't dislike them using AI art, but I do dislike people making claims that can hurt those who did nothing wrong.
@@frozenburst6463with ai being so new it's kinda a war of "all ai is coming and replacing all of us" vs "ai is gonna improve our lives accept it" with no nuance in the two sides, mostly since it's artists vs stem which don't really see eye to eye often
Making an ai show with an ai script and animation is cheap and bad, the only appeal is since it's new and we never seen something like that before
But I don't see a problem if ai can be used as a shortcut for example, an action screen on top of a train where the backgrounds are always changing and blurry anyway as long as the majority animation is done by people
I feel once ai stops becoming a "hot topic" people will actually try to talk about what ai should and shouldn't do. I once compared ai to NFTs and whenever I did people would without a doubt say NFTs where better and say it "fell off" "helps make money for artists" and ignore the major environmental stuff that was originally brought up
One of the things that seems fair to make is calling someone's work ai is an insult, basically telling them that they are on par with a robot, and unless you make it clear you know what your talking about and proof ai was actually used, you shouldn't accuse anyone of using it
She's really harping on about how 'ghosting' can never be intentional and must always be indicative of AI. Basically, she wants to be right even though her argument has been shot down, because if she's 1% right, then she can use that as proof that she's "credible".
The ghosting effect itself is really easy to create and requires no funky tools: just let the previous frame in an animation remain visible at like 50% opacity.
This effect is also known as 'trails' and has been around forever. It's not something one does accidentally or as a time-saving measure, it's something an animator chooses to include for the visual effect and how it can emphasize speed and motion.
Interpolation artifacts leave a different effect between actual frames, and are basically two source frames kinda smooshed together to create more frames between them. A lot of interpolation results in glitches and smears where the algorithm messed up, and many people find interpolated animation to be jarring, so it's not often deliberately invoked.
Modern Interpolation algorithms are getting significantly better and some animation tools are starting to use them. The important thing to keep in mind is that the animator can decide which frames get interpolated and which don't, so that way frames which benefit from interpolation (such as motion frames) gain that but frames which don't (such as scene changes) aren't changed. And the animators can also clean up those frames to fix artifacts afterwards.
If developed with the creators in mind rather than as a get rich quick scheme, we could see a day where algorithmic interpolation would be a huge boon to animation in general.
the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video. she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her, holy ...
She looks like the type of person who is only into animé for clout and not because she actually enjoys it.
A.k.a a "Tourist"
To me it sounds like she posted the video to compare the manga and anime because she thinks that she's better than the anime watchers for reading the manga
@@clumsycaden5708 as a manga reader, the scene was indeed very nice, but it couldve been better
The worst part for me from anime being mainstream now is people acting like they’re animation experts online just cause’ they watched Chainsaw Man once.
It's so fucking annoying. I got into animation and didn't make it, but it's amazing how many people will make an assumption about a topic that they don't know only to be fact checked and made liars. Always be forthcoming with what you actually know, what you heard/assumed and where your info comes from.
Wdym Chainsaw Man? There is Ai in it? Is it their project with the most Ai in it? Please tell me
@@CasanovaMista They use 3d elements. 3d elements have been in use in anime since 1998. Why there is a claim to ai in the frames given, I have no idea.
Imagine being an exploited animator, you haven't seen your family in weeks and you haven't slept for days just to have some woman on tik tok call your hard work ai generated.
THEN BLAST THIS WAHMEN OFF DA PLANET
she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her.
Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her
Finally its being said when anime went mainstream I thought it would be a good thing but then I started seeing people trying to push their ideas and agendas onto anime and even villainized the word otaku and called everyone a weeb or weebo and when existing fans said they were anime otaku's they would get harassed and insulted by these new fans who just discovered anime
Even changing long standing terms like loli and traps to fit their definition then outright villainizing those terms...
@@ChaosMind10531 exactly hell I miss those days sure there was still drama but it was usually over petty things like what anime was your favourite or if you liked the normally unlikable character back then we didn't send death threats to the creators just because we didn't like that a character wasn't trans or because our ship wasn't canon
@@ChaosMind10531 wait, could you give me example? i literally can't think anything besides what already it is
@@alkahfi8500 what example are you looking for???
@@ChaosMind10531 the her definition, about loli and traps
that is called frame interpolation, its meant Vs do it by default to make moving image looks smother, if they call that AI might as well call your calculator a AI computer.
What frustrates me about these cases is that there always seems to be someone who lacks knowledge about the subject at hand (in this case, animation and working in animation studios) yet speaks without presenting evidence or proof, they may offer a half-baked “reason” that has been proven wrong many times, but they can still ruin something and their followers will always say "Yeah, you're right". And on the other hand, why people even go to such a great length to refute their claims with a hard evidence without even checking these kind of people's credibility or whether they have proven anything or not?
It's like going to a mechanic for your car and educating him about the engine, imagine spending 4 to 5 years to become a mechanic and an entitled person without even having any knowledge about your field trys to dictate to you what is right or wrong.
She also deleted comments in her video because "people were being nasty and name calling" and she wanted the comments to be safe place for debate. I'd bet all those "nasty" comments were probably just people calling her out for spreading misinformation and not addressing the things people were really actually calling her out for
nah you can already see the effect in this youtube comment, if you go to newest, there is also a bunch of incels spaming "women"
@@leeperkillz5397only thing I saw through newest is you replying through almost every comment criticizing her
@@fatgamingman3872 ? I wasnt criticizing her I was highlighting how ignorant people are, her argument was for the most part solid, if u didnt get what I said read it again " the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video. she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. Bro theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her, holy ..."
@@leeperkillz5397summary?
I just find it crazy how some people are upset over 2 panels getting changed, like jesus christ just enjoy the anime
Not once did I hear her say that she was wrong about the information she gave from her previous video, meaning she's not taking the L but saying "okay so I found out what this thing is so let me explain it to you".
On a side note about anime being mainstream, it's not that its now more accepted that people have a problem with, it's that the new audience are saying "I have a problem with this, this needs to change because I don't like this thing I'm watching and can not turn off". The simple answer is to ignore what they say and move on, too bad their echo chambers are getting harder to ignore.
Isn't about time that whenever a random person mentions "AI" it automatically dismisses their whole argument out of hand?
bro thats exactly what an ai would say
:O
That one there was a violation
"People didn't like that I spread misinformation about a beloved studio, so here is my response. Firstly, my sources are "trust me bro, I'm an expert" and some random person that is in no way connected with the studio in question and may or may not have never made any animations in their life. Secondly, I saw the comments about the "ghosting" thing, read all the information, and outright deny it; so here is the same thing I said in my factually wrong video just in a different way. Lastly, the comments are open for a debate, but if you so much as hint that I'm wrong or go against my views I will block you and remove your comments so only the stuff I agree with can be seen so everyone thinks I'm right."
bet the animator in question drew 2 stickmen and called themselves one
But ... There are already tools in animation software that helps with interpolate frames without AI or at least not current times AI, it's a common thing... Although not necessary for animation.
It's called smear or blur frames, right? I feel like this is it.
yeah, or “in-between” frames. VERY useful and not at all noticable If done correctly. I’d recommend looking into all the terms so that when you watch your next anime/animated show you can spot all of these techniques and truly appreciate and understand the level of depth the animators truly put into the craft :)
@@thatwaffleguy4958 Smear frames and interpolation are not the same thing, software can do interpolation for you, smear frames are drawn by hand to exagerate movement.
both are form of in-betweens
@@MKMush You actually understand animation. As an animator myself, you have my respect.
Remember when anime was niche?
Those were the days.
same could be said for gaming for abit
Music, knowing how to read and write, basic knowledge were all considered niche before…
Ghosting in animation is a technique used to demonstrate motion or the path of motion. It involves creating semi-transparent or 'ghost' images of an object or character at various stages of their movement. These images appear on the screen in rapid succession, creating a sense of smooth, continuous action.
Ghosting can be very useful in animating complex actions because it allows the animator to see the trajectory and rhythm of the action. It helps to make the motion more fluid and believable by providing a visual reference of where the object or character has been and where it is going.
In traditional hand-drawn animation, ghosting was sometimes accomplished by drawing lightly in pencil before finalizing the artwork. In modern digital animation, many software applications have built-in tools to create a ghosting effect.
Guys please be nice to her, this is her first ever anime😂
lol, "content creators" will do anything for views, even making up their sources. Unless her source is actually working in the western cartoon scene, then they really shouldn't be commenting on Japanese anime.
Then basically deflects her errors by going off tangent
Said it a lot of times in a lot of platforms, but this hate towards the A.I. it's insane. It became the new 'isn't black enough' that many used as an excuse to harass artists while believing themselves on the 'moral' side, because going against them means you are a 'bad' person. And one thing I hate even more, is all these 'experts' talking out of their ass. I've argued with many people who were like, "I've seen dozens of them and I can recognize AI arte at a glance, bruh." ruining artists' reputations because nobody cares whether it's true or not, but they know that just associating with them could paint them in a bad light and dump them.
calling their work ai is a huge insult
Or a compliment if you look at it differently
@@bestboi2945it will never be a compliment. AI is always ugly or missing very important anatomy. As an animator myself I would be furious if someone told me my animation is AI. It never has and never will be a compliment. End of story.
@@bestboi2945Being told that YOU didn’t create something - that you had to rely on an AI to make it - will NEVER be a compliment.
@@m1ntyuu I think he meant a compliment towards the company for having such an advanced A.I, if AI could draw like this I'd honestly be impressed.
she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her. also theres no way, I searched up AI interpellation 1 search, and its been used since 2021 and looks reliable enough to be used by big companies, theres no way people are this ignorant, I never even agreed or disagreed with her
I bet the animator she spoke to was just her emailing herself under a fake email address.
As a content creator, if someone accused me of using AI for my writing, I'd be pretty pissed.
In other words... she doesn't know what AI is. That's all
??, yes its plausible AI can be used for this, you dont know what AI is at all
Is "I spoke to an animator" the new "my uncle works for nintendo"? lol
Seeing how much AI has taken over, im scared of seeing an anime completely drawn by A.I.
@@kuriokudayo Bingo, AI tools are really opening the door to single or very small creative teams being able to make competitively deep, detailed, and most importantly, unchanged artistic intent in their stories without needing to seek out a large publisher or animation studio.
I'd love to see what a creator can do when they're not shackled to a huge studio making demands, or by virtue their countries broadcast/print laws restricting them via the publisher.
Imagine your favorite anime or manga, but without being restricted in any way to the creative team by laws, culture, broadcast rules, or worst of all "Localization" if you had to consume it dubbed.
@@kuriokudayonot really because filler use to fill the story gap between the manga and the anime,if the anime almost catch on manga,anime studio usually use filler eps or just stop,so i dont think ai realy have use except mangaka drawing or writing story using ai if they want.
@@kuriokudesuabsolutely not. Nothing in AI is original. It’s all stolen from other people’s ideas. Too many human artists have already been fired because AI can do it faster and I’m tired of people defending it. Let human beings be creative. Not some robot that takes other people’s work and mashes it with other work and calls it original.
Thing is that most anime are made in the exact same way as they were back in the 80s and 90s. Most animators still work on pen and paper, not even a drawing tablet. She's really trying to get away from what she said in the original video. CG is not AI and it has been used in 2D animation since the 80s and really gained prominence in the 2000s. Anime and western studios studios do not use AI to generate fake frames.
Plus the way Japanese and western animation for TV are done in entirely different styles. Most modern western TV shows use a cheaper and worse form of 2D animation than Japanese studios. You cannot talk to one animator in the western animation industry and expect all the same thing to apply to Japanese animation studios. Anime is still very much hand drawn while most western cartoons are partially animation tweened, although not all. You need to know much more about the animation process
I'm a 2D and 3D professional animator, what I can add to this conversation is, it depends what sources she's getting and what Animator she talked to. Is this animator worked before in an Japanese Animation studio or not?
Japanese animation studios have their own style, tools and techniques to do animation, yes most times we animators we will be given tools to improve our speed and max profit for the studio.
A lot of people tend to blame VFX artists 3D Animators and 2D Animators for some animation decisions but you have to take in consideration, we do not have a saying most of the time in regards to tools and pipelines. Studios will do what it must to maximize profit and speed to deliver their projects, yes, we Animators get hired to do animation. The people in charge is mostly for Animation Supervisors or Animation Directors, these are the people that have more of a voice in the matter of how to approach things in the studio.
Now, I don't work in a Japanese studio so I don't have much of an idea how things are done there, I know they are using more often now 2D Digital animation (Flash or Toon Boom or TVPaint) whatever software they use that can provide easy ways to speed up your animation. she mentioned that MAPPA did use CG for their backgrounds to save time, its true like I said, studios will do whatever it takes to facilitate and improve the speed of the Animation that is the most grindy of all.
So did they use A.I.? It is possible, I can't say if they did or didn't, we animators are not very happy about it, you can voice your discontent about it but at the end is the producers and clients in the studio that decide, we Animators don't get paid to choose our tools, we get paid to do the animation, that's the reality, its up to mostly to the Animation Directors and Supervisors.
So they could have used A.I. or not, who's to say? Who knows what benefits will bring A.I. or ruin us artists. Its up to the people to support us by not buying or paying for A.I. made products at the end.
I believe Mappa has experimented with frame interpolation in a very select few frames
Those poor mappa employees, being called AI
Her bio was already a red flag.
Again, should’ve went after Steiner for not conducting his counter attack
When someone says "I spoke with an animator" (or any other professional) without providing any detail on his expertise, you know it's BS from the start.
Oh, also, funny thing is, my friend typed in Japanese, Silvpokki, about how she was an animator who worked for Mappa, and had been paid, through the entire episode, less than a couple dollars.
The thing is, people actually believed her, and her tweet ended up collecting 10s of thousands of likes. 😭
"after doing lot of research" yea right.
If this is AI then I’m incline to say we should welcome the AI overlords in anime to alleviate the stress on animators. If it isn’t, screw her
A tik toker
No wonder
Also a woman
No wonder
Bad mix tbh
I'm angry because she's invalidating the countless hours the animators spent on these scenes by saying it was made by AI.
she literally acknowledged their talent and hardwork and said it wasnt used as frequently, she said it was a small part of it, everything you saying is an extended projection of whats not even there, just blantant bias because the internet doesnt agree with her.
Mappa = cool graphics but also crunch.
Change my mind.
You can see the ghosting specially on One Punch Man season 2, if you compare the scenes with the blueray and the television scenes. It is a requirement for epileptics in Japan and I believe the infamous Polygon episode of Pokemon is to blame.
She's right about the fact that a lot of studios may be using ai in between some frames or something to fill in the blanks to help the workload but there's no confirmation of such things happening when it comes to MAPPA at least as far as I know.
Shes holding on technicality to excuse herself and muddying the issue with tangents.
mappa doesnt use ai to animate however to smoothen out some scenes they run low fps clips through ai to meet a quality standard, its something they rarely do though
I didn't know Ai chan left her career of idol singer and started working in Animation industry, props to her! ❤
Instead of talking about AI, she talked about episodes of Pokemon causing seizures. She didn't even answer the question but diverted and deflected. She'd make a good politician.
if mappa used ai, their animation quality will literally worsen. i mean, this is mappa we're talking about. the amount of disrespect to all overworked, underpaid animators by claiming that they're hard work was created by ai.
"i have friends in mappa" = " my dad works for nintendo "
same vybes
The reduction of strobe effect, also originates from the pokemon episode: Computer warrior porygon
Fun Fact: Everything "AI generated" is fake. Everything.
So my girlfriend…….
@@thematiasmadness7010We're sorry we had to break it to you like this...
If it's an imitation claiming to be the real version, sure. Used in any other context, you're not using the word correctly. Fake in any other context would imply it doesn't exist. If you can see it, and you aren't hallucinating, it's real.
@@edgehead2695 it all make so much sense now
That's not what that word means...
Yeah, she left me way to confused to take her words seriously, let alone how she addressed the situation she put herself into.
the point or "evidence" people brought up never disproved the use of Ai lol it just showed that onion skins or ghosting is used to decrease epilepsy, they never proved if the ghosting was done by animators or not, they just proved that is wasnt to safe time. Literally no one here is able to comprehend that the evidence wasnt even an evidence, it just added more extension to her theory, she was specific with her argument and made sure to elaborate on some important side note, so people dont mistake her intentions, seeing as she as a huge following so that to some extent matters, this commentary just had awful bias and didnt even try to make understandable connections, s- video.
@@leeperkillz5397 buddy ghosting has been around way before ai drawing tools
"Mappa uses AI"
The animators after sleeping in the studio for a whole month: I'm starting to wish it was
Counter-point to the anime going mainstream bit: If anime _hadn't_ gone mainstream, we would not be getting as many shows as we are now, possibly including many now iconic and well loved ones. We wouldn't see dedicated anime streaming services and the genre as a whole would be more difficult to access outside of Japan.
I'm not saying it's all been good, but those are some things to consider.
Haha, Karma doing overtime.
She should delete her account after this deadhead take.
Even if it was, why would it matter? Its a tool. This is like trying to call out anime for switching to photoshop for creating their anime from paper.
Most animators still work on paper. Also Photo shop is not an animation tool at all
@@crestofhonor2349 It was. I missed the Photoshop version before CS, when it still had built-in frame animation workflow editing. 😢
@@r99azm80 Most animation studios use software like Toon Boom, Adobe Animate, OpenToonz, or even Blender. Photo shop isn't a common way to animate for a studio
I'm a manga reader and an anime watcher, and I can say that she doesn't speak for us manga readers, and we simply understand that the manga and the anime adaptations are going to have differences
There's a game called reverse 1999, when the game trailer come out, so many people thinks it using ai stable diffusion, but those people just think stable diffusion owns the style, it's oil painting style,
even with this small clip of her on 1.5x, i still felt like i wasted my time listening to her.
People think they know about animation.
She clearly knows as much about animation as she knows about properly cutting bangs
the funniest thing is that the ghosting effect can be achieved VERY easily by hand, yet she insists that it is AI, probably because she doesn't know what one can do with the layers feature.
How can someone go frame by frame to find this when no one else noticed
Accountability doesn't exist anymore.
When the essay requires 500 words and you're stuck at 300
I'm not an animator, or designer so I can't really compare apples to oranges here. But I can compare fruits to fruits, in the sense that these kinds of baseless discrediting happens in the writing industry too. Working in an industry that relies heavily on creative, professional and skillful writing for copy, literature and whatnot, I was so defeated after spending hours upon hours of research, rewrites, crafting narratives, adding nuances and weight to each word in creative cadences, only to have the final literature be questioned by a client or colleague, if the work was written by AI.
Can you imagine the audacity. A person who trained and practiced years to create something in a certain way, incorporating their creative identity into something, just for their effort to be so easily dismissed. Pfft. Sucks dick honestly.
At least she isn't playing a ukulele. Otherwise yes, she's obscuring her response by being overly verbose.
She is still calling ghosting A.I
That was a randomly chosen argument
SERIOUSLY!
XD
reading that quip on ghosting...I see that episode of pokemon REALLY did make a difference than I thought. (as in it did more than just "lets avoid using bright lights' and went further into stopping other possible causes)
She gonna play a ukelele next?
I think her biggest problem is that she herself has no idea what is it AI and what you can do with it. As well as not a single idea of how animated shows are made.
The anime animation is SO good that they thought it was ai
That "ghosting" is simply cross disolve transition but on frame by frame lvl...... This has been available since like forever XD
I quit being a weeb and a gamer.
WHAT
You found a cure?
TEACH ME YOUR SECRETS!!!!
WHAAAAT
*sees profile picture
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem
Isnt there interpolation too as well? Its mainly used to bump up the fps of an animation but can look weird on frame inspection.
Its crazy how people are accusing stuff without proof💀
Even if mappa did use some ai, it would be used as an animation tool, not to do all the animation so its not that bad. Plus mappa could train the ai on everything they have animated in the past and so it would be ethical too since they arent stealing any art.
Can we stop this “ethnically” nonsense? It’s give these anti-ai people some sort of power, when in reality nobody should listen them in the first place.
Referencing is not stealing lmao
Ai doesn't 'steal' art anyways, so it should not be much of an issue.
@@first__last i know just thought id add it since a lot of people are so sensitive about that
8:00 Bro, she still said AI 💀
I've seen digital artists get accused by using AI as well.
Ghosting is a result of the double exposure on frames bleeding into the next, due to the animation rates and playback rates being slightly different, just get any animated show from the last 60 years and play it... you'll see the exact same ghosting effect!