Ninja Skills and Ninjutsu (ft. Antony Cummins) | Ninja Myths
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- A video on what old ninjutsu manuals said ninja skills and ninjutsu, with a special guest… Antony Cummins!
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Linfamy I will definitely go to Cummins' CZcams Channel.
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I liked you better before you turned into a British guy...
Saint Alphonse hahaha... you don't like my transition?
@@Linfamy it's still a good vid, but not quite what I was looking for. Cant wait to see what you have for next week
Has anyone seen "Kagemusha (1980)?"
I think it shows the best portrayal of Shinobi in any Japanese film.
They look and act like common peddlers and travelling merchants.
So that explains why they're on the road and why they travelling from city to city, castle to castle.
I guess modern day Shinobi would be driving UPS vans.
Great movie!
So ninjas are supposed to look and act like an idiot... seems like Naruto is more historically accurate than I first thought
A bit late but no my man, Naruto's wasn't an act.
Too much Ninja Hattori and Naruto references
Happy Thanksgiving!! Hope you had a good time with friends and family =)
Incidentally NINJA exists.
You can become NINJA, too.
However, it's, NINJA of the secret language of financial institutions.
No Income, No Job, no Asset. Abbreviated N.I.N.J.A.
Hah, those ninjas are not as cool
@@Linfamy
Yeah. Really, it is not cool.
@@Linfamy ninja are badass
Interesting way to apply the language to history. There is no doubt there were people who excelled at combat and stealth who engaged in spy/espionage type operations during those periods. Nonetheless, I'm still in the camp that ninjitsu is of a more modern concept. Mind you, all of my wisdom is from three days of binging these videos.
Funny how I'm halfway through this thing and the Kunoichi has yet to be mentioned, when she's also the easiest to explain & reveal the tactics of. I mean Leonardo DiCaprio tells you all about them in Gangs of New York. "It takes a lot of sand to be a Turtle Dove."
I still think these early Edo period sources are questionable. Maybe more credible than later Edo sources but still.
Tokugawa Ieyasu had an incentive to put out propaganda. Hyping up secret warfare as this romanticized thing made sense.
Your guest does use a definition for Ninja that could credibly be said to exist, but it's definitely not the standard popular definition you used in the other videos. I just don't find the claims about "Shinobi families" and "way of the Ninja" to be credible.
I do want to know more about these Samurai and how extensive their "training" in secret warfare was.
It was not propaganda, it was written by a guy who actually lived through the war not written by him, it's not particularly a ninja manual really just a military manual with sections that focus on Espionage/ stealth work, it would not even be publish until long after his death.
We do have sources talking about ninja Pre edo period like with Hattori Hanzo just not Pacific manuals, well there was no such thing as Shinobi family just Samurai families with being Shinobi skills as it was a job title, I'm not the biggest fan of guy but he does go out of his way to mention that at least.
@@eagle162 Did those samurai family with shinobi skills openly present themselves as shinobi to other samurai and society?
When you're remaking your Naruto oc and trying to expand your knowledge lol
great video, Thanks to Antony and Linfamy to both of you and your hard work!
Glad you like it! :)
Loved the guest discussion
Nice! Very informative thank you for this opportunity Lord Lin.
Haha thanks
I know for a fact that ninjas really did attack people in the dark with knives and shuriken, and they really did wear the same black costumes as stagehands at kabuki shows. My evidence is that it's so much cooler than if they were just spies, sleeper agents, and saboteurs like the historical documents say. There's no way someone would misrepresent that stuff just to sell books.
You having to be joking
@@whateverwhatever4476- I think he actually is... 😂
So many cool things about ninjas and Naruto choose to go "DBZ + wizards" route.
Modern Ninja images are made in the USA. That is an Americanized ninja. It first appeared in 007 films in the 1970s, and was known in the West under American influence. Japanese ninjas are different and there are few materials. At the time, there were Shinobi movies in Japan, but they are completely different from American ninjas and are a kind of fantasy image. A great success in the United States, the American Ninja was re-exported to Japan, and often appeared in games and movies.
Indeed.And,during the eighties, the ninja appeared also sometimes in non japanese asian movies.Like "the ninja trap"(1981)
Maybe for your next colab it would be interesting if you and your guest will discuss the topic with each other? I can imagine the logistics might be tricky, but as someone earlier suggested both having an avatar on screen might do the trick.
Thanks! Will take that under advisement =)
I like the devils advocate /lack of knowledge Red and Blue do to each other 😉
Oh boy I enjoyed this video
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Great video! I hope both of you had a great Thanksgiving
Thanks! My extended family is about to have a huge feast tonight :D
Great job!
Thanks!
Did kunoichi infiltrate in the same fashion, or did they stick mainly to disguise?
Thx
Although Antony is very communicative, I'm still unconvinced.
What we seem to have here is "sappers and miners" plus spies.
Not secret societies of highly trained mercenary commandos sworn to secrecy who transmit their secret know-how to insiders of the family group developing different schools of stealth in time.
Just run-out-the-mill stuff that every self-respecting warring state of Europe has had since the Middle Ages.
Don't misunderstand me, I do love ninja literature and anime, but I still think that those who wrote about them in the XVII century were writing loosely-based-on-reality fiction. Since the times of Genji Monogatari the Japanese have shown their love for idealised narratives.
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Great great Job!
Thanks!
Not sure if questions are still being answered but do you have any thoughts on Masaaki Hatsumi and his book, ninjitsu history and tradition?
To this day. There is not a single person who has proven a ninja lineage. All are very suspect.
Oniwabanshu spies are also shinobi right?please make a video about them!
Do you have some info about hatori hanzo ?
Aw man, but what about that ninja guy that spoke at TED x Jinichi Kawakami?
Got a link?
I mean, TEDx are notorious at this point, so this should be entertaining viewing.
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I'm confused? This contradicts your other Ninja videos and the other authors so who should we believe?
The topic is still widely debated
There is no correct answer
So it's up to you to decide what you want to believe
It's kind of a nuanced point, and it depends on how you define Ninja. I wrote a few paragraphs about it in the description box of the Did Ninjas Exist? video, if you want to read it.
This guy sound like he has an agenda, honestly. “This guy would have no reason to make this stuff up” is one of the worst excuses to use.
@@gustavoquintella3127 There have been quite a lot of people who have called out Mr Cummins for propagating inaccurate information: www.way-of-the-samurai.com/Antony-Cummins.html
what worries me most is he is teaching sword techniques though he has no formal training. which is dangerous.
what did the shinobi wear during missions
What was the biggest military or political upset that hinged on the use of a ninja or ninjas?
The most famous is Ieyasu's escape through Iga, allowing the future Shogun to get home. If this did not happen, then all of Japanese history may have changed. but, it does not say ninja! It says people from Iga helped him. So it assumes they are ninja. But they were samurai families famous for ninja.
Aside from his book, which I'm looking to buy, are the books/manuals/volumes transcribed to English available in book form?
Yes, he actually translated the 3 ninjutsu manuals...
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I must note that the ninjutsu texts should be read with a grain of salt because they were written in the Edo Period, and their authors may have been influenced by the biases and popular culture of their time.
yes. Please type in Antony Cummins on Amazon or go to my website www.natori.co.uk
Wow🤩
I'm glad this video was made. I do like learning more about this stuff.
Sounds like "the nightingale floor"
It’s like I’m listening to Jon Snow talk about ninja. Awesome
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Reminds me more of that ceazy bolton dude that skinned people, no offense of course but if were going game of thrones yeah Ramsey Bolton...pretty sure thats his name.
Katon! Go kayu no jutsu!
Ninjas loved fire, m'man. Especially the ninja in Iga, because castle sieging was a favorite tactic used by all the samurai and foot soldiers of Iga. It's probably because of this is how they got good at ninjutsu.
Sage mode pls
i was half expecting him to say "this book is all based on naruto"
I didn't get the differences between the local thieves,ashigaru and samurai?
Does he mean the samurai had more shinobi knowledge than ashigaru?Was a samurai allowed to do openly a shinobi job and tell people his family trained in the art of ninja? Or was it only undercover?
Varys is a Sage or a Sannin...
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you should have made a character for anthony
Does Japan have a modern intelligence agency?
Sure, it's called the Public Security Intelligence Agency.
@@Linfamy The PSI Agency? Is their leader named Mob? xD
@Mikeztarp yet another reference goes over my head =P
yes
@@Linfamy manga/anime モブサイコ100 I guess
I already know who Antony is, and I've spoken to him a few times before in the past when his Historical Ninjutsu Research Team was starting up. I have my own disagreements with him, but I will definitely suggest anyone watching this video to buy his books.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, Linfamy!
Having a huge feast with the extended family this evening :D
@@Linfamy Don't get so full that you get the itis and forget to make a new video!
I will crawl to my computer to make new videos, through rain, sun, or snow.
Hi Nick. Hope you are well.
@@AntonyCummins Hi, Antony, I am well. I hope everything is well with you as well.
Hey Linfamy!!
Heyyyy
What the take on 刀心道 (To Shin Do)
oh boy
Do you think the popular image of a ninja will ever change inside and outside Japan? Most movies I see even the black/white ones had ninjas clad in black and such.
That black body suit is iconic, but I think we do see signs of it changing. For example, Naruto ninjas.
I am trying my best to change that.
@@Linfamy that's not an improvement hahaha
@@AntonyCummins let's spread the knowledge!
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The best video I've seen on ninja so far
nice to see you again
So, depending on the walk of life they're hired from, Shinobi have different jobs, right?
Do the Kabuki warrior's
The Japanese word for ninja roughly translate into the word resistance in chinese. Meaning it could have been a resistance movement.
Have a taste of my jitsu!
Oiroke no jitsu!
A secret message came to me that say that Antony send some ninjas here to spy your videos and channel moves ...
I knew it, was always suspicious of him...
japan: sees art of war chapter. ctrl c, ctrl v
No wonder why ghost of tsushima is coming out soon this year! Not only the Mongol Invasion was expanding but it was noted from the 13th century Japan had shogun in power and somehow they have samurai x ninja game in open world of tsushima!
Gotta say that game looks beautiful
my question would be what people thought of ninja in contemporary contexts
Can the Kisho Ninja hide in open field?
Can you explain what you mean?
@@AntonyCummins Total War: Shogun 2 reference
Can one ninja be dark and light
What about smoke bombs?
Mr Cummins is considered in the Martial Art circles as a bit of a nobody, a wannabeaboo, a salesman for his books/online martial arts academy.
Great research from Antony Cummins and Linfamy....I still would like to hear more history of Daisk Nishina (Togakure) and Hattori Hanzos exploits for the Shogun. 👍🤔
well done this is what i was taught
Basically, a ninja is a specialist scout and/or a spy and/or a SF soldier that every advanced culture have in their army. The Chinese obviously have such specialist, the Art of War devoted a few chapters on them. Other armies and advanced nation states have them as well. Nothing special really.
ok, i c whatcha mean now
Ah.. my family is Ninja. 😂😂😂
ninja board. ask a question and it kicks your ass for such impudence!
So which side Gabimaru’s father in law falls under?
How was your day
Just woke up so it's been pretty good :D
well you can just look at what happened in the last century or so with spec ops soldier. in first world war we start to get snipers and on second SAS units, paratroopers, marine raiders, jungle warriors and other kind of specialized troops, then they develop even further in the cold war, espionage and counter espionage is added to their skills list, anti terrorism is formed, then we have the new era when pop culture carves out concepts such as Tier one operatives, bad ass bearded super skilled warriors who ride the mountains and deserts of middle east on small helicopters or high above in the stratosphere, swoop down on their enemies in the dead of the night, kill them all in absolute silence and vanish into the deserts wind... so what does that make of them, don't they exist, they all did, they are just mythed up... because propaganda works that way, same happened to ninja. when you take a big ass army out there to fight you better be damn sure you're gonna win fairly solid, or even a Pyrrhic victory will cost you, that prepared winning part is done by rather unorthodox ways. so you can considered common practice for a winning Daimio to have this special operation section running as a constant part of his retinue... when you have an organization you will have attrition in it so you will need to constantly recruit new promising candidates, and so you need standardized recruitment and training processes, then you will eventually win, but then you can win a throne by a bayonet but you won't be sitting on top of one made of them. to consolidate your power you will need soft power, propaganda, then you will start to boast your capabilities to the level that many will find it hard to achieve or outright impossible to contest... and then you will have it, a ninja, or a Tier one operative, they are all the same answer to the same needs...
NINJA/ SHINOBI
In my opinion, all parties involved at the time these secret operatives had their Golden Age, had the same interest in maintaining the 'Ninja/ Shinobi' myth alive.
Someone killed a high ranking official within your clan/court? Must be an enemy Ninja because who else could it be?
Using dirty tricks to achieve the upper hand in a campaign, single battle of siege? Those were the Ninjas, we Samurai don't do such dishonourable things.
And fact that Tokugawa himself gave his approval to the original book, tells me he wanted everybody else to know that he himself certainly didn't use those tricks. So the entire Ninja/ Shinobi thing may be just a disinfo campaign patronized by Tokugawa, wishing to have himself viewed in a positive light.
Is Antony a Northerner?
I have samurai in my family lineage.
/bow
@@Linfamy /bow
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What I think is fascinating is how ninja have been embraced by the world. There were other super secretive militia groups through out history but people rarely talk about them. Nearly all English speaking people have a shared mental picture of the mythical ninja. Ninja movies are popular even very old ones. Ninja even sneak into books and movies that have nothing to do with Japan at all. It makes me wonder why people have latched onto ninja so much. I doubt the interest is going to go away any time soon.
Lori yeah, the world has certainly latched on to the ninja. The boom seems to have started in the 60s. It helped that there was a ton of books and movies about ninjas back in the day. I do admit there's a coolness factor to it, with all the unique weapons and the body suit.
Good marketing, maybe. I was stunned to listen to Western men glorify "geishas" as sacred women or spiritual muses that engage in platonic relationships with their men clients.
Julien Kim 😅
James bond is the same. They have an iconic image, they are a commando and a spy, so perfect human. Its exactly like James Bond.
@@AntonyCummins , I can see the commonality. James Bond always looks cool, is mysterious and is always sneaking into places. He's a modern British ninja. lol
Show Nikki what?
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Did ninjas use the stereotypical weapons like kodachi, kunai or poison darts and knives?
No, they were samurai in essence. They did have special tools though.
Yes and no, but ask yourself this: What weapons did the peasants use in Wat Tyler's Rebellion?
The ninja use whatever weapons are available. If that just happens to be a koachi, kunai, dart, or knife, then they'll use it.
You went with Antony Cummins for authentic ninja information? 😞
no grey ninja?
hahah only in monochrome books!
I'm no expert, but shouldn't
忍術 be said ninjutsu and
忍ノ術 be said shinobi no jutsu?
first time 忍ノ術 appears I think he said ninjutsu...
now that that's out the way, I really enjoyed the video and I really liked the collaboration.
as for questions, what about the くノ一 (kunoichi), what rank did those women have? were there female samurai in disguise? were they noble woman of were they just peasent women with abilities in being sneaky?
(implied is also:did female samurai exist?)
Yep, you're right, 忍ノ術 = shinobi no jutsu
As for kunoichi... it's fascinating. The Bansenshukai mentions "kunoichi jutsu," meaning "technique using a female." An example of kunoichi jutsu would be putting a female maid in the service of a lord to spy on him. So kunoichi meant "female," it did not mean "female ninja" at all.
The "female ninja" definition seems to be a modern invention. In the 50s, an author redefined kunoichi to mean "female ninja" and it stuck =)
@@Linfamy Oh, I see, there goes another misconception XD
and well it makes sense
くノ一 make up 女 not 忍女/忍ノ女 afterall
(I just realized 忍女 would be pronounced ninjo using onyomi XD)
All phonetic markers (furigana) from pre 1868 no mater if the particle "no" is there or not show it said as shinobi no.... something. Shinobi no jutsu, shinobi no mono, shinobi no tsuemono etc. There is not a single one found yet that has it as ninja, or ninjutsu. this seems to have come about in the 1910s.
@@AntonyCummins
Yes, but I put them in anyway to differentiate between the readings (that's probably why it's in katakana rather then the usual hiragana for particles)1
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Shinobi can be of any social level...bandits, low level samurai, mid level samurai, high level samurai.
What do you mean?
If we're going to semantics, what if the definition of ninja is a person who practice ninjutsu? If ninjutsu really exist, does that make ninja exist?
If flying reindeer exist, does that prove santa does? Study reputable sources, or write it off and watch movies like this cummings fraud.
ah yes, a book about how to wreck havoc like a pro
sign me the fuck up
I asked for help nobody would help. Instead I was humiliated treated worse than some people dogs and now they get to kill me
Bob slinging "candy" on the corner sounds shady as fuck.
I'd report Bob
nice change but still think it mainly enriched lore, a good spy isn't seen so I think it"s like the CIA giving a masterclass to terrorists, oh wait so it was true after all :-)
Almost nothing this guest says is correct. They were an almost completely mundane group, with zero martial skill related to that particular job.They were hired because of their skills or experience - there was no martial tradition specific to the ninja. This guest speaker is an incompetent, prejudiced source who knows more about ninja turtles than historic ninja. Luckily, there are a few solid sources today in english. Check out Metatrons' Ninja vids for more details and english language research materials.
This is probably what the assassin order wants you to think
Good point =P
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Batman is a ninja what you think about it ☺️
1 part CIA, 1 part Navy SEAL, 1 part hobo, all ninja
They come from konoha!
Antony, we all know now that ninjutsu isn't a martial art, nor did the shinobi have a special hand-to-hand fighting style. My question is: Is it possible that the fighting style Mr Hatsumi is teaching is actually an old hand-to-hand style from feudal japan? And the person who made it was a ninja, but made up his own martial art too, and that is what survived into the bujinkan? And do you know what scrolls Hatsumi possesses?
Thank you for your work! I own the Bansenshukai and will probably soon get the Shinobi Hiden too! Have a nice day!
Hanzo Hattori hope u don't mind me answering ur question at least till Antony Cummins answers himself or confirms my answer.
There is simply no evidence regarding Mr Hatsumi's style goes back to a shinobi. The ninjutsu part of Bujinkan is Togakure ryu, as u likely know. Some of its techniques, like using metsubushi, are ninjutsu regardless wether or not they are direct techniques from a historical shinobi style, but yes they are ninjutsu in terms of the concept. However, the shuriken part to be used as a ninja weapon is not evident. It is most likely a modern-day invention. The doton, mokuton, yoko aruki, etc., are probably based on chinese classical spying, as i've understood from Antony and i hope that i'm not mistaken. For the hand to hand combat, shinobi didn't have specific form of combat, they simply have used what was available in their time, such as Kumiuchi, Yawara, Jujutsu, although the term Jujutsu is likely invented later in the edo period. The ninpo taijutsu has never been recorded in historical manuals be them ninja or samurai manuals. The kicks and punches in the Bujinkan schools are likely from karate which is Okinawan and came to Japan later. Not to mention that traditional japanese Taijutsu has an extremely small number of punches and kicks since the techniques are meant to be in a battle field while wearing an armor.
Hopefully that answers ur question.
Best regards bro
When we went to Hakon Japan we got served food by ninjaas ke
Did they rappel from the ceiling?
@@Linfamy no but they summoned heavy rain that made the hot food better lol
Tbh I have already red and watch a lot of videos of Antony Cummins and metatron. So for the most part I have most of my questions answered
how to be a ninja
If a thief agrees to be commissioned as a samurai, do you have to wear the black mask uniform?
Unfortunately that black mask uniform is a total fabrication :p
There is no black mask image for warring states ninja. Please what list 25 ninja episode.
Actually the color black stands out in the dark night, so usually they wore navy/indigo or dark reddish brown like persimmon shibu.
Actually the color black stands out in the dark night, so usually they wore navy/indigo or dark reddish brown like persimmon shibu.
And being recruited as shinobi is different from being a Samurai (it's not necessarily hereditary, as its skills take time to learn it might very well be).