Jesse Enkamp and his Ninja Master video is a problem
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- this video is a response to Jesse Enkamp's video on the martial arts of the ninja and how his video is actually doing damage to the ninjutsu community. #jesseenkamp #ninja #ninjato
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I agree with just about everything you said as usual. However, I believe it's possible that shinobi might have used a specific set of martial art techniques for shinobi missions. I've mentioned this to you before by the way. For example, instead of using a lot a jujutsu techniques when encountering an opponent during a mission, they'd focus more on striking techniques. Because, trying to submit somebody with a grappling technique could potentially eat up a lot more time. I'm not saying it would of required an entire martial art custom made for shinobi, but they might of just taken the striking techniques that all the samurai learned, & really perfected them to a higher level. Maybe there was some iron body training involved. I'm also convinced in spite of the lack of historical evidence, that the ninjato was used by shinobi. I don't see somebody just designing that sword from an armchair. The design of that sword seems to me, like it would have been gradually developed in the field. But a weapon like the ninjato, would of definitely required a set of kenjutsu techniques, that were specific to that sword. Having said all that, maybe certain martial art techniques exclusive to the shinobi, were never written down in "ninja manuals", because martial arts isn't ninjutsu. I always appreciate your work Antony. You're gentleman & true scholar.
I love that book. It was my first when I learned about you in 2020.
Just ordered 🖒 kindle version wouldnt go through, not sure why mate.
That's the point bro the play on words he says it look at the way dr. Kacem Zoughari's talks and moves when he moves
Fantasy ninjutsu worked well in ages when internet doesent exists...
People like mystery and martial arts, less people like research.
Hehe
Kacem Zoughari has definitely done his research.
This comment is immensely underrated
Pay no attention to what the critics say. A statue has never been erected in honor of a critic.
Jean Sibelius
exactly my conclusion: Shinobi were primarily spies and their art is evasion and infiltration. Their combat style is whatever they had learned and considered as working good, probably a mix from arts that later became known as Jiu-Jitsu, Kung-Fu, Karate, Aikido, Iaido, Kenjutsu, and Archery/throwing weapons... basically their selection of MMA.
Man, how wild would a sitdown be with Anthony and Kacem🤓
Do eet!
Kacem would be in good health,Antony, probably still sick😢ahhh
I don't think Antony would do it.
Lol, id love to see that
I don't know if I read one of your books, but the information you shared is consistent with the imformation I've gathered about the reality of what Ninja were.
That being said, I did enjoy Jessie Enkamps video for what it was, and the final remark the "ninja master" told him about meeting multiple martial artists from different styles on different continents was probably the most ninja thing he said in the whole video.
I think that when people use the term "ninja" in any context, they are by default no longer talking about historical shinobi. Therefore they can be free to do their modern taijutsu inspired self defense techniques along with all of the fanciful weapons that may or may not be loosely based on historical shinobi practices. Because the true historical shinobi are a very esoteric and chronologically restricted group that are simply not well understood. Whereas the ninja lore from the several centuries following is quite frankly a much richer and exciting subject matter with a lot more substance when it comes to what modern people want to know about and invest their time into.
The fact that Anthony, was part of THAT translation of the Bansenshukai, is reason enough to NEVER buy it.
And as far as his understanding of ninjutsu goes, he's utterly clueless. Not ninjas, ninja.
Ok... 1) uh? What are ya talking about?
2) you mean Xinobi? Commonly called shinobi.
What exactly is your claim bud
I really appreciated this video and was just wondering if you can elaborate on which modern martial art today would be the equivalent of what the samurai trained in and also what the ninja would have trained in if needing to use hand to hand combat. Thank you so much for your research and your books are great.
Kejutsu, Aikido. Probably as close as your likely to get.
I went and watched his video. Here's my review. He should have put a disclaimer up like ' This is movie theater ninja training '. They were all over the place as far getting any points across. I gleaned no useful information from that video. There's a saying, People who BS are attracted to other people who BS. That's why he has many more views.
I wouldn't say useless. Though Jesse Encamps samurai video was better I think. It's clear the curator he spoke to was of a takamatsu den, as I am, and it showcased Kukishinden Ryu quite well. (For reference I only pay attention to Takagi Yoshin Ryu, Shinden Fudo Ryu, Kukishinden Ryu, Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu. I disregard the "ninja" Ryu of Takamatsu Den due to the fact the clear evidence these 5 are the only historical schools and are samurai. )
Will say you really gotta deep dive and be careful even with these. Modern Shinden Fudo Ryu so far was the only one I haven't had any problems with flowery crap.
My thinking is this: I’m an MMA guy. My base style is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Maeda came to Brazil in the 1900’s, taught Carlos, Helio, etc, they innovated it, it spread. It’s an undeniably effective martial art. Is it less valid for having been innovated and spread in the 1920’s? If there is martial or espionage efficacy in the modern takes, then that stands on its own merit. Myth and deception are, after all, what espionage is about.
We thank you for Bansenshukai 😊
Kacem is only a doctor in Japanese language, neither in medicine, nor in sports, nor in martial arts
Regardless of what it was or what it was called, I have a tremendous amount of difficulty believing that Shinobi didn't have their own curriculum of combat training separate from how "pure Bushi" would have trained.
The kind of fighting skills you would need to face an enemy soldier on the battlefield and the kind you would need for quickly neutralizing someone when trying to appear like a normal person in enemy territory I would imagine to be very different.
I think it's more that nearly every school of martial art has techniques for sentry killing, ambush attacking, etc. as part of their tradition, and whatever school of martial arts someone operating as a ninja trained in, they would just use those methods.
I am not an expert in Japanese martial arts, but I have seen many many examples of techniques for subduing people, escaping from pursuers, and silently taking down unaware targets in what you call "pure Bushi" schools. Beyond that, there are plays for the same sorts of things in many of the medieval European sources I study, and there are just as many in modern day military combatives.
You are exactly right. All military units have their own pool of techniques to draw from. And ninja would undoubtedly have drawn from other arts for techniques suited to their needs. And since it wasn't their primary focus, they likely didn't codify or document much.
I was watching most of Jesse videos and the history of karate, all looks fine until he made Steven Seagal video, then say that he's the real deal... then I started to doubt his previous content, I think he's kind of naive in some cases.
Not so sure. I think Jesse is generally very interested in martial arts knowledge. His goal is to sharpen his own karate and understand it deeper. For all his talk, Seagal actually had some good nuggets of info in his interview. The guy's knowledge of aikido/functional aikido is deep. His ego is just deeper/bigger.
Segal is a horrible man, but a good martial artist.
S.Seagal if full of S*, you wont find any video of him sparring in real time or at last simulated, he only shows a few techniques and that's it.
Msn Anthony, you say Jesse Enkamp and Kacem Zoughari (not Zaghouri as you said, which just shows you didn´t even take him seriously enough to find out how to pronounce his name correctly) has destroyed years of research by making that video. But what are you doing when you say that ninja´s had no specific hand to hand combat-system, fighting-system or whatever one may call it?
Isn´t that to lie, manipulate or twist words? Maybe that´s one reason Jesse Enkamp never contacted you? I know my friend it is this old story of yours, that ninja´s didn´t have a hand to hand combat-system, but nevertheless were capable of fighting allthough they according to historical research didn´t have an organized system for fighting. I get it.
Since you put so much emphasis on truth and that a lot of the ninjutsu-organisations of today are lying, then why don´t you yourself also tell Jesse Enkamp that you were kicked out of the Bujinkan twice? Isn´t that also part of the story and the truth? Why did you go back to the Bujinkan one time before you were kicked out the second time? Did you ask for a second chance or did they give you one because of unfair or unclear circumstances?
One thing I would like to ask you Anthony, and I would like if you would answer me honestly, is how you can be so sure of many things in historical ninjutsu, when so much in the art was done in secrecy and kept so secret, that no words were written down in documents and if they were, these documents were kept most secret maybe even destroyed to avoid revelation/detection?
When it comes to telling the truth there have been made research about how much women lie. This research says that women lie about 33% of the time. Now this number is nothing compared to how much an earlier military-man of high-rank once told how much they lie in the military. He says they lie at least 90% of the time. Isn´t that the same as to say that they lie all the time? And if that´s really true how much is this number for the rest of the world? What can really be trusted then?
Some last words before I finish this, is that I think you should be really carefull Anthony with believing that historical reasearch is the answer to everything. People may think that you´re not willing to let them discover the truth on their own and find their own truth. They may perhaps also think that you leave no room for creativity, ressourcefullness, ingenuity or any other good human quality there is. I hope that´s not the path you´re on Anthony. It may sound like rough words from me, but it´s all well meant. Good luck with whatever you´re doing. ;)
Kind of crazy that people still haven't disregarded this way of thinking.
Especially such a big channel
@@AntonyCumminsAll your claims are based on a lack of evidence, this style of argument is more fragile than a house of cards. You are just ignorant disguised as intelligent.
The martial art of Reading and that Victorian jiujitsu sound *SO* intriguing 😹!
I wish I could study either!
How do you feel about the argument that Bujinkan is more 'authentic' in Jujutsu/Taijutsu compared to others today? There's a notion that much of the traditional jiu-jitsu faded with Kano. Exploring the history of Jujutsu in a video, particularly given that today's Jujutsu is often either Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or purely self-defense, could provide valuable insights. What are your thoughts on this?"
It’s a good one. Just depends on the teacher
@@AntonyCummins Thank you, Anthony, for your insightful comment! I believe it would be fascinating to see your perspective on this topic in a video comment. Your coverage of traditional martial arts, particularly Taijutsu and Aikido, is commendable. Your point about misconceptions surrounding Aikido's battlefield roots resonates with me. I wonder if a clarification on the differences between Taijutsu and modern combat sports in teaching unarmed or armed combat could provide valuable insights. Just a thought I wanted to share. Thank you again.
From what I understand, of the amalgamation of techniques from the various ryu, there were at least two currents that were pure Ninjutsu. There is a lot of ancient knowledge which is never written down or found in academia. Kusarigama exist in other traditional ko-ryu - such as in naginata ryu.
as soon as i saw jesse's thumb, i remembered mr cummins
This is like if someone is a Firefighter and he does boxing in his spare time. That must be Firefighter style boxing!
"You heard 'im boys..."
::busts out Halligan tool::
"...FIRE HOUSE RULES!!"👨🚒
::Gutchecks random spectator and starts a hooligan riot::
"That's how we do it in BOSTON, yeh B@$t@rds!!"🤣🤣
THAT would go so well with Anthony and Enkamp burning down a village ninja style... 😂
Not sure if your familiar with Sean Askew but perhaps you should speak with him on the history of the Ninjutsu and the Bujinkan. I believe he will be putting out a new book.
Yes I’m well aware. But so far he has found zero evidence for anything g yet.
Sometimes these martial art CZcamsrs are just making videos for content and money. They don't necessarily care about the accuracy. Just having the word Ninja in the video will draw people.
Agreed
Hopefully you will feel better soon
Ninja did do martial arts though and the martial arts this guy is teaching are definitely Japanese in origin. Ninja may or may not have done something similar. They may not have proof that ninja practiced what they’re doing, but at the same time, you can’t prove that they didn’t practice these techniques or something similar.
I appreciate your books and your videos.
The idea of disproving a negative is a week know concept in history. It does not work. I’m an alien who looks like a human, prove me wrong.
All I’m saying is there’s no way of proving either way.
There are many types of knowledge that are passed down through teacher to student without documentation, not just in martial arts.
Especially with the ninja, I’d imagine there’s a tiny fraction that’s documented and and most of history passed down orally. I’m not saying what he’s teaching is what the ninja did or not did, I’m just saying that there doesn’t have to be a scroll or documentation of something to make it authentic. I understand where you’re coming from though.
you miss the point. the point is that essentially there were no martial arts specific to the profession, and that, as you suggest, a ninja used whatever style he knew from his personal family style, or the basic style he learned while serving in the war as ashigaru, etc.
ninja did martial arts, but just because any martial art in the region COULD have been used by ninja, doesn't mean it was and even if it was, it wouldn't make it a specialized martial art for the job, like for a modern example, The US Marines all learn the same combat program, back in WWII it was called LINE, now it's called MCMAP, and you could literally refer to these as "Marine Corps-Jutsu" and "Shin Marine Corps-Justu" if you wanted to, they basically already do(MCMAP, "Marine Corps Martial Arts Program"). by contrast, anyone can take a couple hour course and get certified as a security guard, just because a security guard took 3 years of Tae Kwon Do before getting his Guard Card, we don't consider Tae Kwon Do to be "Guard-Jutsu". at that point we're ascribing the same level of meaning as "Google-Fu", IE basically none.
Ninjutsu as a term is improperly applied, there is no ninja martial art, and "Ninjutsu" would refer to the collection of various skills needed for espionage and sabotage work. generic joint locks, swordwork, and hand to hand combat is one PART of what is ninjutsu is, but equally making bombs is one PART of it, as is making poison, and navigation, and herbalism, etc etc.
in essence "All berries are fruits, but not all fruits are berries" and continuing to try and call a pineapple a berry is counterproductive to the entire topic of discussion and serves as a dead weight hindering understanding.
@@AntonyCummins You consider yourself a respected historian and don't know the foundations of classical philosophy?!
It is you who has to prove YOUR statement and not someone else, the burden of proof is yours! You are committing the “argument ad ignorantiam” fallacy. the absence of evidence proves nothing.
Can you categorically state that the druids didn't know about x or y just because there aren't enough records???
Can you categorically state that Africa has no history just because there are not enough records???
ALL of your “certainties” are based on the absolute absence of evidence and not on actual evidence, and you think this is “science”, ridiculous.
@@padgiep1918🎯
Something to seriously consider: Hatsumi was trained in Asayama Ichiden ryu taijutsu...and that ryuha ironically enough may actually be connected to shinobi, in the sense that it is said to have been a ryuha favored by the doshin, many of whom were shinobi trained as well. Kukishinden heiho also has shinobi no ho in its teachings.
It's ironic just because certain ryuha of the Bujinkan actually may have had genuine connections with shinobi...and they aren't the ryuha that most people think of! 😂
That’s far far too much of a stretch.
@@AntonyCummins Also, "hitting someone with a frying pan" DOES indeed mean that you were "cooking".
(Not literally, of course, "cooking" is Gen Z slang for when someone is doing an action skillfully, in the context of fighting, "beating someone else up to a level of ass whooping that nobody has ever seen".
@@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 literally as well, if he was indeed cooking when attacked the pan would definitely leave 1st degree burns as you dragged it across the attacker's face.
Cooking in all senses of the word, Master Chef status, honorary Le Cordon Bleu certification(or at least Waffle House certification lol).
Interesting about the kuji kiri. The head priest from Tendai Shu in UK uses exactly the same hand gestures/mudra during practicing 🙏🙏
Great video sir! I know this aint about fame or the money and I like that youre extremely passionate about shinobi, samurai, japanese medieval history, etc… but I’d say making reaction videos like this and exposing content creators (or not necessarily them but their works that misinform) and exposing serious myths that destroy years of research in creative ways could really make you a hit and attract those "ninja fans" aka those who only know them on a surface level "casuals". Take a look at guys like greg doucette and see how they do it, with your credibility, arguments, evidences, and overall passion for this and in bringing out information, I’m sure you’ve got what it takes to do it and attract a larger audience. Wish the best for your career sir and as always thank you for the information.
In addition to that, it really does suck for guys like you to not get attention considering the fact that you guys study this for years. But, I guess thats how it works and through the video you just dissected, we know that people are more attracted to “content” than actual data that would enlighten them of the most detailed and sometimes even “boring” aspects of the lives that they intend to know of. But hey, on the brighter side as I have said its not about what this benefits you as this might lead to wider audiences (which would lead to actual progress in this field), this would actually lead to connections and funding that would help you strengthen the field, while at the same time possible arguments and clarifications that would even make you reflect could be made as a result of attracting serious learners of this field, thereby strengthening your field of research. Again, wish you the best of luck! I’m a huge fan of yours! I hope you know how much historians like you are impacting the world especially with how we perceive things! You guys inspire me to do better and to chase my dream of becoming one especially since the legacy that youre leaving behind is inspiring! I'll always have people to look up to and youre one of them.
Thank you very much.
Exactly! It could be something like "Japanese history researcher reacts to fake Ninjutsu"
I watched the video. I felt like there was somethings that were glossed over.
Somethings that were played down.
I like Jessie, it will be nice for him to meet you
I Completly understand you....nowdays people will never reseach for something like this.
But if we even show real ninjutsu to them it will be not interesting for them bc its seems to be not usefull in modern world.. i cant say bujinkan isnt effictive but in my country there is a lot of bujinkan Turnomments
And ppl think ninjas throw shuriken and wear black or they were fighters blahblahblah...
Btw we need more like you or japanese ninja content creators keep it up🎉
At the 14:40 mark when talking about the kusarigama and its connection to ninja you say “it was probably made up by Yumio Nawa in the 50’s and 60’s”. What’s your source for this? I’ve read all of his books in their native Japanese language, own several of his unpublished personal research papers and that comment isn’t in any of them. In fact it’s directly the polar opposite of what’s clearly documented in his published writings. Yumio Nawa was an extremely accomplished and well respected author and historian. His research and contributions to better understanding a complex and often misunderstood history remain unmatched and among other topics, he often attempted to clear up the many myths surrounding ninja.
Are you perhaps confusing Nawa Sensei with the sometimes flawed and fantastical offerings of Heishichiro Okuse?
Finally, isn’t this exactly the type of baseless misinformation you claim to want to clear up when it comes to the modern understanding of all things ninja? Now there are 7k+ viewers that may incorrectly think your off the cuff comment is fact. You’ve ironically contributed to the very problem this video attempts to address.
Please don’t misconstrue my comments as coming from a typical “hater”. I generally agree with many of the things you have to say and I own several of your books. I ask you to consider me as another resource, not another enemy.
It’s because Nawa was obsessed with ninja and chain weapons. So I’m pinning him as the major contributor to this. Unless it’s a comic adaption before him.
I don't know how people miss it. Lets just take a school. A school includes types of techniques like sword techniques, spear, naginata, archery, forecasting, etc. They might also include techniques of spying. each of these groups of techniques would be called a "jutsu".
I have nothing personal against Jesse because i've never met him and don't know him, but i've always found his channel to be almost aimed at teenagers with a pop culture kind of vibe. The sort of thing that you'd see on kids TV, that wouldn't go into much depth. But i suppose with the ever increasing lack of attention spans, and the click bait culture of views, it will only harm the future and culture of misinformation in historical martial arts.
The Demolition Ranch/ Kentucky Ballistics of martial arts. In a world of exploding fruit be a 9hole Reviews if you can't be S2Underground.
Jessie is enthusiastic and has somewhat of a cult following with it seems casuals, observers and non-practitioners, but he is by no means a serious researcher by any means.
Him being oblivious to where current day research stands shows either ignorance or just plain laziness, all it takes is maybe 5 minutes searching on google.
Do I think he cares? No, I don't. The majority of stuff is presented in a click-bait fashion just to get likes.
I know a friend of mine introduced him to some legit practitioners of Southern Chinese styles, which showed the roots of Okinawan Karate, but the product he presented was either missing information or he had told some porkys.
Maybe you should have Kacem Zoughari on one of your videos. I'd love to hear something like that.
That was tried years ago
@@AntonyCummins Try again.
Wow! Only come across your channel today mate from another channel, i watched nerds vid on release. I beleived it and thought his movements were odd for japaneese as im a kudoka/karateka! watched a few of your shogana vids mate, your book is now on my phone!! Excellent work dude 🖒🖒🖒🖒
Yes have a watch of the man who killed the ninja 🥷
@@AntonyCummins ive just seen it and the follow up 🖒 Very interesting 🖒
Ive always veiwed ninjas as silly if im honest, i defo fancy myself as an Andy Mcnab tho so ill be reading up on your site and on fb 👊🖒
My dear friend. Realize that it is not the opinion of many that matters, but the opinion of the experts (Socrates).. Kacem is a nice guy and knows what he teaches. Moreover, it seems at some point in the video that it reveals some loopholes. as I have written in your previous video and as an old man of the Special Forces I will tell you that those for which he is reputed to teach ninjutsu belong to the category of military - espionage objects. Well, in order to learn them, someone should join the army or a secret service to experience them. As far as the technique is concerned, it certainly belongs to some older martial arts (takamatsu) integrated into a whole. We said the techniques are there, it depends on who practices them and how. as for Bujinkan, it's a nice way to make the wheel (of money) roll.
I feel sad for you. Being humble would be a good start. Believe it or not, it's not because you (and your friends) never had access to some "sources" that things doesn't exists.... But it's your choice. Enjoy your path and keep your ideas and beliefs as it as as there are areas and informations that doesn't need to be shared anyways.
I was listening to the audible Bansenshukai - volume 10 open disguise. The part near the end of that volume which speaks about how to observe the movements and mood of an enemy camp.
That part was amazing! The observational skill of a Shinobi no mono was incredible!
I don't understand why people would want a 20th century fantasy over a medieval reality.
Thanks for getting it
its on audible lol I didn't know I love me some audiobooks
Don't get me wrong I have the actual books too but as I get older its easier on the eyes to listen.
Just something I was thinking while listening to your video: I get that there is no evidence of what I am about to say and it's not in any historical source (it's just my mind wandering), but wouldn't it be possible that people who did shinobi stuff would know that they could end up needing to fight in some situations regular field soldiers wouldn't, and could train appropriately? Like a field soldier wouldn't need to learn (as much) how to kill someone without being noticed, how to fight with anything they can find (like a fry pan ^^'), fighting someone when you're still half on the wall/fence you were just climbing, etc. I think there would be room for specific fighting situations that would make sense for spies and saboteurs and such to train in, that other soldiers wouldn't want to waste time on.
Samurai also do regular raids which would bit them in the same position. Also all fighting was done with swords in the scrolls.
@@AntonyCummins Thanks for your insight (on this remark, and in general).
You're not wrong, shinobi trained samurai and ashigaru would certainly be expected to know how to fight. The thing is that they would have trained just like other samurai. There IS documentation of certain people with some ties to shinobi having specific fighting ryuha. For example, Denrinbo Benkei was a master of Taisha ryu...he was also the head of Sagara shinobi, and he was also a yamabushi. You also had one of the 200 Iga mono that served with Hattori Hanzo, a Tsuge Kiyohiro, he had his own school of gunnery. Also related to the 200 Iga mono was a man named Hirayama Gyozo, who was an Iga mono that served as a guard before becoming a martial arts instructor, he founded his own sword school.
These weren't martial arts within ninjutsu though...these were established martial arts that ALL bushi trained in... including bushi who were trained as shinobi.
I have not seen the original video yet. But based on the title and the thumbnail, I had a feeling you would probably have something to say about it.
Haha I try not to
The true about the "problem" of the BUJUTSU or "martial arts" of the "Ninja" is simple: The shinobi no mono know and use the bujutsu or fight techniques of his family or his town or city; the majority of this guys was military or Bushis, maybe bushis of low caste or Ashigaru... his martial arts or Bujutsu are NOT DIFFERENCE of the "samurais" out of his village, the ryu and ryuhas are similar....in my experience the unique difference is this: THE BUJUTSU OF KÖKA AND IGA is so old, which is not sporty nor can it be used today, because it is to kill or cause mortal damage to the enemy...one example of this is the calluses of the knuckles and joints of the fingers of the hands to cut the skin of the enemy's face.
It's quite funny how you are so eager to advertise your work, and confirm to the audience that you've been a pioneer on "ninja research" every few minutes. You seem quite biased on disproving an academic's research, because that's exactly what you 're doing here. There is no historical scientific method followed here. What is your academic research credentials again? Shame Mr Cummins.
I wonder the following (and I'd like to hear your opinion on this): I guess there's little doubt that the team at Mie Univ. (around prof. Yamada) is doing solid and well grounded research of the history (and cultural aspects) of "ninjutsu", but at the same time, they're somehow subject of some sort of pressures to preserve certain image of the ninja... It seems they're aware of those aspect to be "historically incorrect", but keep playing the game (perhaps in order to keep some sponsorships, tourism attractions etc.) anyway... Now, Kacem Zoughari is a solid scholar with decent background (ability to speak Japanese, read old Japanese materials etc. ... See his dissertation etc.). Is it possible that he simply enjoys the martial art (for his personal reasons) and keeps calling it "ninja martial art" simply to "play the game" in simmilar manner as the Japanese "ninjutsu researchers" do? (This all is just an idea, but still...)
In both cases both are wrong for doing it.
@@AntonyCummins Well, that's an ethical judgement to a non-ethical question 🙂. My point is rather the following: Does Kacem Zoughari believe he's practicing "historical ninjutsu"? That's simmilar to the question of Hatsumi believing Takamatsu or just elaborating the "ninja game" (for whatever reasons)... Only after responding that comes the ethical discussion - Is it right or wrong?
Honestly, in broader context of academic environment (in Japan and elsewhere), I have doubts whether e.g. judging prof. Yamada for presenting valuable academic stuff in black ninja outfit is easy to dismiss as just "wrong"... But that's for a different discussion. Thanks anyway.
Is it “wrong” to scam trusting people for decades out of money over a lie? Is it “wrong” to corner the market and misrepresent an art and culture that was born out of warfare? What good is Zoughari having a PhD and speaking Japanese if he is just going to knowingly misrepresent these things? Or if he is claiming to be ignorant of the facts Antony has presented, what rock has he been under, and how does he have the nerve to publish books and make videos? What good is a Phd or a rank if you don’t have the intellectual integrity to address demonstrable truth? Real martial arts are essentially based on morality. Why don’t you go ask Zoughari these questions? Antony has disproven Hatsumi, (to his face) Zoughari, and the rest of the false representations of these arts. I wish Zougahi would accept a challenge with a discussion, not even a debate, but a discussion with Antony about this subject. But no, all words. And as far as martial arts ability, who knows what they are until Hatsumi and/or Zoughari actually demonstrates them in real combat? Until then, they are just posers, with no credibility.
I posted a comment on jesse's karate nerd channel about if he had seen this video. it got deleted
Seems he is deleting them all
Great video, what’s your thoughts on Nindo?
Kawakami has some great research but adds some non-historical things
@@AntonyCummins I’m assuming some of the things added were taijutsu or weapons related?
So what was taijitsu then. I always thought that was there combat and was the same as traditional jiu-jitsu. Could you please elaborate. Cheers.
Taijustu is just jujutsu
Ishizuka and Hatsumi say Taijutsu is Ninjutsu.
Let's be clear from the ninja organizations, Taijutsu is Ninjutsu to quote both Hatsumi and Ishizuka, also other schools use the name Taijutsu when referring to a martial arts, example. Asayama Ichiden ryu Taijutsu
@@dwainbryan6037 they also use terms like Yawara but make no mistake with no sugar coating there are numerous examples where Taijutsu refers to martial arts and unarmed combat
@@dwainbryan6037 The point I am making is that the term Taijutsu always has to do with some kind of martial arts and not just a way of moving, furthermore as relates to this discussion the Takamatsu ninja arts call their ryu- ha Taijutsu part of Ninjutsu.
Hi, One question: gyokko & koto ryu are real ko ryu school (or do you advice any video that explains that)? Many thanks. Bye
I think they are the ninja schools. I think they are fake.
@@AntonyCummins thanks a lot
Question
1. What are your own personal qualifications to be an authority on Japanese history?
2. What are your personal qualifications and training that make you an authority on Japanese martial arts?
3. You say that the Kusarigama was not used for fighting or no recorded of it but didn't Musashi fight a gentleman who had one and loose?
4. Didn't you go on record awhile backand say that the straight square tsuba so call ninja sword did not exist or no recorded of it but then later you said you found it?
5. Didn't you call Takamatsu a liar? Hatsumi a fraud? But ask SKH to write a forward to you book?
I'm not trying to be a jerk the term ninja is used as an umbrella term so what one clan might do another may not.
So by saying that there is no ninja martial art are you not doing what you accuse others of doing playing with word.
Example
You say ninja had no fighting hand to hand style
Togakure ryu used Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu as their basis for theirs but do you not think they might adapt it to fit what they are doing(specialize).
Like kenjutsu do you think they might have specialized waza for what they are doing?
I am not trying to be a jerk I just question how you are representing and your motive.
These questions have been answered countless times
@Samurai and Ninja History with Antony Cummins Really? So you are just blowing it off.
Ok I thought I would try I have to say I'm a little disappointed because you don't seem to mind saying over and over that ninjutsu is not a martial art but you don't want to repeat any answers to my questions above.
@@AntonyCummins
You 're a clown for replying to @oshiro1970's questions like this.
Must be rough living life with no backbone.
@@AntonyCumminsAll your claims are based on a lack of evidence, this style of argument is more fragile than a house of cards. You are just ignorant disguised as intelligent.
@@AntonyCumminsWhat are your qualifications to categorically assert a “certainty” NOT of the evidence, but of the total absence of it?!
I bet you never answered that question.
The way I see it, is simple. If the person says he or she is a ninja, or practices ninja technique, that person is not really a ninja. Unless under torture or duress of course. It's like if a person walks around saying, "I'm a CIA spy," or "I was trained as a Massad and I currently am part of that organization," or, "I'm a spy for the Russian gov't." LOL. If the person was any of those things, no one in their right mind would admit it publicly...unless under duress of course. That's why when an American is arrested in Russia for espionage and the guy says he's not a CIA spy, the Russian gov't laughs. It's certainly possible he's not a spy, BUT...he'd be stupid to admit that he is because even the CIA would take him out if he did.
To me a ninja of the medieval period was nothing more than an elite spy. And maybe not even elite. It was a person who was good at collecting information in secret. Like spies of today, probably not all of them even knew how to throw a punch. Some of them did, for sure, as they wanted to get out of messy situations. But many, I believe based on my own intuition (and not based on fact), were simply lookouts. I did see a documentary once, I think on PBS, that said that many were guards of Samurai castles. They were landscapers and building contractors who did work around the property, but they did that as a cover for their actual purpose to be guards. The same tools they used to pull out weeds, cut grass, etc., they'd use at a moment's notice against intruders.
In any case, I'd like to counter Antony's comment that ninjas didn't use sickles as weapons. Just as he said a cook can use a pan as a weapon, I don't think you can say that spies of the period did not use sickles as weapons. If that's what a yard worker or grounds keeper doing landscaping had in his hand at the time - maybe he's cutting grass - why wouldn't he use it? Believe me, I've used one to cut tall, desert grass that's very tough, and even a dull sickle blade is very effective at hacking through that grass. If I were attacked by someone, or even a pitbull, or a bear, and I had that in my hand at the time, I'd be a very effective killing machine even against someone or something 10 times stronger than me. I think ninjas used whatever was at their disposal. Was it their weapon of choice? Probably not, as they were spies, not commandoes. Would they pick up a rake or a shovel to fend off an unarmed attacker? Hell yeah.
Antony san, thank you for always educational videos. Do you have plans to come to Japan ?
Yes later in the year
Does taijutsu have a documented history?
It always appears to mean fighting
yes its called ninjutsu.
@@AntonyCummins Nothing specific to a set of techniques, kata, etc?
I would disagree with a Ninja martial arts. I believe the took what they wanted from various martial arts a sort of MMA style with what works trained others in it so sort adapting it to what works. I don't know if you call it a set martial arts but I think that is part of it.
Of course any martial arts claiming to teach the way of the Ninja and not teach running away because they are not fighters they are a mix of scouts/recon; spies; saboteurs; and yes assassin if they can get away with it mainly to disorganized the enemy but not the main thing just targets of opportunities.
Have you ever done research on Modern Ninjitsu school here in America? and if so where can i see or here about it
Join Natori Ryu hub facebook
@AntonyCummins seems to be several. Anyone specific?
Takamatsu sounds like Steven Seagal. Made it to 4th kuy and that was hard work! I was in the BBD in the mid 90s. I credit that period with my interest in tying knots. At the time I also did wing chun because I had to know how to attack.
Yeah there are people obsessed with getting this right and one of the things I'm obsessed with is the movement of the Shinobi now this translates to a lot of things all I can say is it's effective asf😮😅
Is it because of that need to "create" the ninja hand to hand combat style that some people (was it Bryan McCarthy ?) re-branded "Ninjutsu" (as an alleged martial art) into "Ninpo Taijutsu" ?
I’ve never heard that before
@@AntonyCummins You've never heard of what, Ninpo Taijutsu ? If I'm not mistaken, it means "Taijutsu based on the "nin" philosophy/spirit", which would seem like a convenient way to avoid the fallacy of "a typical Ninja combat system" you described in your video, while keeping the "Nin" part (for marketing purpose, or for more philosophical reason, I don't know).
Brian McCarthy is a Fake, a Phony, and a liar. ….. deceives his students
It's how you think, not how you fight.
Antony is talking calculus and most ppl use algebra 1 in the historical manner
I hope Jesse will answer you (and I hope we'll be able to see the result of it).
Or can you make a series of videos containing real samurai martial arts that Shinobi would’ve partaking in?
Thank you for your videos. Hope you feel better soon. Natori Ryu #196
The bujinkan is the 9 traditions IDK if you could call them budo, martial arts it's an attitude it's a feeling you're trying to create a feeling of anything else that's a non aggressive manner of thinking and movement bruh
The truth can be far less exciting, far less "sexy" than the hyped up fiction. Prolly very few people interested or excited for the truth just because it's the truth. That is unfortunate.
That's the point bro the play on words he says it look at the way dr. Kacem Zoughari's talks and moves when he moves
Hi folks! Please watch Jesse's video yourself. There's absolutely NONE of this guys complaint's in it. He seems to INTERPRET it this way as a platform to highlight his own INTERPRETATION of the history he's studied. He could've taken this video a number of different ways, but his take is the one that suits him to promote his book. Probably a great book,. But the best history students NEVER just accept the conclusions of biased historians. And the the best historians don't get up in arms that their interpretation of history wasn't accepted by others who have also studied history. 0:10
Mr. Cummins is probably the last person to be consulted in the field of japanese history or studies, because he does not even have any academic credentials in this area. He employs for good reason a team of native speakers. Otherwise japanese sources would be completely unaccessible to his personal interpretations.
The big point why his Videos are more famous than yours is, that he actually cares to have a script, do some cutting and have good equipment.
You could reach so much more people if your Videos would just be less rambling and more appealing to the watcher.
I like the informations I can get out of them but it is a pain in the bum to filter them.
I used to do that and it made no difference. Also I have been doing this over a decade and I’ve tried many styles. In addition to this I stated that I’m on a build project and time is limited.
what marvelous expert advice from a known CZcams expert!
I send my opinion about that....but Jesse not have to much knowledge about "ninjutsu"
Interesting, as always.
Do you own a snoring dog?
He always snores
its nickname is Snorlax
John Wick used a book to kill one of His enemies...so...book-jutsu exist?
I can't understand in this day and age with the wide variety of information at our fingertips people can't put out quality correct content. If he knew it was wrong or questionable he shouldn't have put it out in the world or do his own research first before he did.
Infact. it is just enough to call it Bujutsu / Taijutsu
100,000 - 1, because I knew they didn't have a dedicated ninja martial art, mostly because of you and your channel. Keep up the knowledge spreading!
Thank you so much
Many thanks, many still think that Bujinkan and co is not real Ninjutsu, they should sit down with you and listen. Thank you.👍
It's funny I told you years ago that you should do a podcast interviewing other people like Jesse. This whole thing could have been avoided with a simple Skype video....
I wrote a comment under Jesses' video and put in your account. It was a friendly critic because I like Jesse, too. Sadly my comment was deleted. Great that you noticed and respond to it.
That’s not a good sign
It was probably because he discovered that you've never opened a Japanese history book in your life, but you believe in a CZcamsr's pseudoscience. He didn't want to waste time.

@@jjjoao1 You mean Jesses' pseudoscience in this case? 🤡
So, you say in this video that the kama wasn't actually used in fighting. Asayama Ichiden Ryu uses the kusari gama.
Perhaps you can tell us where Kacem Zoughari specifically says to forget all the medieval evidence, or did he really say the Bansenshukai is not the authoritative text that you believe it to be, according to several researchers (not just him)? You know, the book that you didn't actually research but hawk constantly? Also, where has Kacem Zoughari ever said that the ninja fought differently from the samurai? If anything he consistently talks about classical Japanese martial arts as a whole and their movement. I think you are inventing a premise out of thin air.
I am curious, what combative ryu-ha was Hattori Masanari associated with, since the shinobi didn't have their own arts. His lineage is pretty well known, what OTHER ryu ha did he use for combatives? Since the ninja used samurai martial arts, as you have claimed, what arts were they? He was known as a highly skilled swordsman and others in his family have been recognized for their martial prowess. His father was a known ninja. What combative arts did they use? How about Fuma Kotara or any other historical ninja? These are known historical figures. What other ryu ha did they use? Did they use their own family arts? I am dying for you to complete the circle of your claims. Certainly there is some reference of their linkage to a legitimate school of combat. This isn't just a gotcha, there is a point to this question if you are smart enough.
Similarly, I will ask again, what arts has Kacem Zoughari and by association Hatsumi poached? You claim, essentially, that it is a hodge podge of other arts cobbled together in recent decades. You would cement your argument if you could just show that. I mean, you are researching Japanese kenjutsu and fighting arts so heavily, and trying to charge people for your "teaching." Certainly an expert of your caliber could answer these questions?
I eagerly await your response.
I’ve answered these questions a mission times.
@@AntonyCummins I assume you mean million. Great please point me to those answers. It seems you could just write the ryu-ha name or say we don't really know.
@@samiibrahim5356 All interesting...however it's not my main point. Anthony is a salesman, he puts out low quality research, skims the surface of things and puts it out as academic research.
The depth of things he misunderstands is only eclipsed by his desperate need for recognition without serious effort.
@@samiibrahim5356 Here's the thing, Anthony spends a lot of time going after others instead of just presenting (hawking) "his work." He makes a lot of claims about others, but when asked simple questions like, "what martial arts someone has cobbled together," he has no answers. When you spend your career trying to trash others in a sad and desperate desire for relevance, you look kind of pathetic. I don't have to publish other people's work as my own on a public platform to make these observations.
It's like a fanboi with a crazy fixation on someone. You make lots of claims
@@samiibrahim5356 The point is that criticism cuts both ways. Those individuals choose not to engage in the public sphere on these subjects but are approachable personally and are meeting with people regularly, once the video with Jessie Enkamp and others.
This is the point for Anthony. He is angry that someone is getting attention and he is not.
The claims about the ryu-ha of the Bujinkan one way or the other are what they are. Anthony leading folks on about what he does and doesn't know is certainly not an above board endeavor.
I will say this. Go to one of Kacem's seminars and use courtesy to ask questions and experience things. It is certainly more honest than what Anthony does.
Bro maybe that comic book movement is based on that not based on comic book movement
Jessie may have figured it out early on in his filming and, like a ninja, went along with the gig so as to ; 1) not insult the master and 2) a video for his channel.
I hope Jesse Enkamp will contact you and be able to make a video on the historical as you described
I do not think he will
I knew the Bujinkan were headed in the wrong direction 20 years ago.
Omoshiroi desu yo! BTW, have you read the Illustrated Ninja Handbook by Remigiusz Borda / Marian Winiecki...I'm not sure you'd be agreeing with that one either lol..and subbed!
Yea I actually skipped Jesse's ninja video cuz I watch your channel. We are the 1 percent
We deffo are
Here is why a Ninja martial art would not be the same as a Samurai martial art. A Ninja will find themselves in situations where they cannot use techniques that Samurai train in.
For example- a Ninja is disguised as a monk, doesn't have weapons on them, but has to either defend himself if he's spotted by a sentry, silently dispatch a sentry, or eliminate a target, all without weapons. Samurai did not train for those scenarios because a Samurai that wasn't a Ninja wouldn't expect to find themselves in that situation.
Another example- most Koryu schools teach Kiai, shouting with a technique. A Ninja would never use that, and probably wouldn't waste their time training in that because time is limited, because if you shout you blow your cover.
Also, if you respect Kacem as a Martial Artist, that means you are inadvertently admitting that the Martial Arts he teaches are real. Frankly speaking, Martial Arts cannot be real unless they were battle tested. You cannot, under any circumstances, invent a martial art that is effective, that wasn't the result of real battlefield or fighting experience. So if you are saying that Kacem is a legitimate martial artist, you are admitting that the martial art he teaches was either A. Created from the battlefield or B. Created from real world fighting experience. Otherwise it would not be legitimate or effective. You cannot make up an effective martial art from thin air. It has to come from somewhere, and for it to be effective, it has to come from someone with real fighting experience.
so how many modern martial arts are used in active combat? MMA?
@@beepboop204 You are asking the wrong question, you have to ask: where, by who, and for what purpose were those martial arts created. For example, ask yourself who created Krav Maga, what was his experience, and what is the experience level of the highest level practitioners who continue to teach and train in it.
But to answer your question, the combat of today is different from medieval combat- Marines are not training with broadswords because it is a useless skill to have for modern combat. Marines do train heavily in BJJ, or use elements from BJJ in their MCMAP training because a lot of combat does wind up on the ground.
@@dwl3006 so what evidence are we to have? how do you have primary sources? its just pure speculation. how often do Marines use BJJ in combat? "lots of combat does wind up on the ground" so how much combat in Ukraine is on the ground? please provide me some primary sources
why is not BJJ the dominant martial art in the UFC? how come UFC fighters dont train in USMC BJJ?
@@beepboop204
-BJJ used to be the dominant martial art in the UFC, and still is to a large extent
-There is no difference between USMC BJJ and "regular" BJJ that I am aware of. USMC Take BJJ techniques and incorporate it into their larger more comprehensive program of fighting skills.
-Most of the fighting in Ukraine is artillery and drone strikes. Hand to hand combat in modern warfare is exceedingly rare.
-There is a dearth of primary sources because nobody bothers to translate most of them. For example, Karl Friday's book "Legacies of the Sword" isn't a translation of the Kashima Shin Ryu documents, it's simply his own treatise on Kashima Shin Ryu theory. Well, why did he decide not to translate the original document? Unfortunately, it seems that people who have the ability to translate, choose not to translate the materials you are asking about.
What is the point you are trying to make? Very little of what you said has anything to do with the point I made, and most of the points you are making me bring up have nothing to do with the point I made either.
Interesting how someone who personally does not read or speak Japanese, does not hold a degree in japanese studies or history lectures the public about things he obviously has no clue about. Regardless of any of the claims of the Bujinkan, which I honestly do not really care about, I think it is very presumptuous of Mr. Cummins to profess expertise in a field, he never really qualified himself in.
Mmmm a Bujinkan supporter if I ever heard one
@@AntonyCummins Oh far from that, not necessarily a Bujinkan supporter but Koryu supporter in general (which by the way is Dr. Zougharis specialty). I also commented on one of your strange Kenjutsu videos. As someone else already pointed out, I find it rather bemusing that you make assumptions about living traditions such as Yagyu Shinkage Ryu when you yourself are not a part of it.
This is so true
True story: I once defended myself while I was drunk, with techniques from bujinkan, shotokan, kickboxing and mma. So I just invented Drunken-Metalhead-do, and this is how all metalheads fight. I will pass it down to any paying students, if they know the intro to Raining Blood by heart (the tempo of all katas).
Oooh the Iron Maiden School of Boozing-Kan - consider me your first student! But first I will Run to the Hilllllls!!!
after every punch in a a fight DRUNKIN metalheadS yell !!!!!!!!!!!!SLAYER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boozing kan 🤣🤣 stupid
Why believe the truth when the lie is more entertaining? 😂
Thank you for covering this video hopefully more people will be informed of the true shinobi.
Entendí que quieres promover tu libro. Bien por ti.
Well said, Antony! It's sad that some people want to claim a piece of Japanese culture (i.e. ninjutsu) without caring enough to learn how 1400-1600's Japanese society (i.e.bushi) lived. Hmm...isn't this what is called cultural appropriation?
Cultural appropriation is just a made up term used to separate people and turn them against each other. I'd say he's just Culturally misinformed and has fallen for the trap of the fantastically ninja trope.
Excellent video. I feel like the "ninja master" from the video would probably feel too insecure to admit this. Very skilled martial artist, but also seemed to be quite keen to demonstrate his superiority which was a little bit cringe to watch. Hopefully one day Rokas would be willing to interview you at some point (he seems more critical of Bujenkan). I enjoy Jesse's content, but yeah it's not especially academic.
Get me in touch with them
Rokas is even more cringe than Jessie to be honest, what with his darth veda larping and some of the comments he makes, regarding where he thinks he is at in terms of development.
Antony, I discovered your works when you and Yoshie Minami published "The True Path of the Ninja" in 2011. I believe you are "the lantern of truth" in this field because you back up your claims with historical evidence. In this day and age of social media, it is a rare occurrence. Many people will believe anything. I enjoy your books and videos, and continue to shine that light, sir.
That’s great thank you.
Oof, was waiting for this.
Good job🔥
Is Steven K. Hayes a real ninja master?
No, he is not. But he is good at many things.
@@AntonyCummins Steven K Hayes was one of my idols growing up. I had a lot of his books and videos.
12:00 Wolfgang Ettig book you mean
That’s the one
Dean is going to have a stroke if he watches this vid. 🤣
I wondered when you would bite. LOL
I was I’ll lol
@@AntonyCummins I watched the video, thinking how wrong it was.
1. Ninja Master for start.
2. Calling it Ninjutsu, even the Bujinkan moved away from that. The Taijutsu is a blanket term as is Jujutsu.
3. Get Jesse to go and see Dennis Bartram.
Ex Ninja community. Started in 2000, my Instructor left the Buj around 2005.
From Budo Taijutsu, Taijutsu now I just call it Jujutsu. Spelt correctly unlike the Americans.
Victorian Jujutsu aka Barijutsu.