This Historian Was The WRONG Choice - Jessie Enkamp RESPONSE
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- On this video we are responding and reacting to the video made by popular martial arts youtuber and karate practitioner Jessie Enkamp. As always if you disagree with what they teach on the video, always be respectful.
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Martial arts have always interested me and I've practiced a few when I was younger, but I never managed to reach any particularly high level, which is why I always have respect towards people who do stick to it and reach high levels of proficiency.
When it comes to how martial arts overlap with historical combat, then I think martial training alone is not enough and a deep understanding of the historical background is necessary to fully comprehend real war technique and separate them from more modern concepts.
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30 years is not enough expertise LMFAO, what are you? Human resources?
@@dontbothertoreply9755I believe he mentioned that he had much experience in ninjitsu and not what a samurai would’ve used
FYI - jesse is one of a group of martial artists that often work together.
Sensei Seth, Hard to hurt, Kevin Lee are some others. Enjoy man, Ill see you in the comments sections.
Also FYI - most if not all of the combat techniques (not the stealth stuff) for ninjitsu comes directly from 9 of the ryu of traditional Jujitsu - HOWEVER, the teaching standards vary a lot.. Ive seen good clubs and ive seen absolute mcdojo's and the whole thing is mired by scam artsists going all the way up the chain. Some how.. I find that appropriate.
You should do a video about the amazing achievements of the Polynesians, who did embrace third gender people, to educate your more bigoted followers.
I basically agree with your argument. However: most koryu styles are from the Edo Period. While there technically were samurai in that period, they were not fighters anymore, but in name. Samurai in that period we're administrators, bean counters. Their swords were ornamental and suited for that purpose. Shortened tsuka's etc. They would hardly ever wear armour. A far cry from the samurai from Sengoku Jidai, who would fight regularly, in armour, with mainly not swords. The absence of work for samurai was the whole reason the schools were started.
Musashi did it.
So if one really wants to learn how to fight like a samurai, one should study it. The standardised and formalised Kata practising that some koryu styles do may not be suited for that per se. You need to fight a lot. Wear armour. which you do. Do physical exercise . Use the yumi. The Yari. The horse. Ju-jutsu. A fight with also a sword is something else than a sword fight.
So, this practical teacher may not be that umsuited.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on my video! :)
And now Jesse has discovered Metatron!
You have a cool channel.
As a jesse enkamp fan,I feared this day.
I thought something similar, but I trust the Metatron.
I mean Jessie is legit but he's also very friendly and open to people who might not necessarily be experts they claim they are
@@DMSBrian24What you mean Steven Segal isn't a one man army?
@@jaredgilmore3102 rumours say so... But it's definitely bs, right?
Jessy y su hermano fueron muy respetuoso con el gran maestro Segal experto en todo. Hacer un video con el fue una jugada muy arriesgada, al final uno lo ve solo para ver las mentiras que va a decir el maestro, japo-mongo-ruso-nativo americano.
Jesse Enkamp is a real good youtuber. If you want to see more historical inclined video, he made a real good one on the french influence on karate and another one, extraordinary, on the chineese origin of karate.
I'll check them out!
Yes his trip to China was rather epic!
My kenjutsu sensei SPECIFICALLY taught me NOT to lean forward and to be careful not to lower my head, so... the opposite of this guy.
Was that a mechanical positioning thing or just hammering home not to expose the most critical thing in your body to the opponent?
Same with naginata.
Many different Koryu out there do different things.
No you should not "lower" the head like Jessie did the last time (the first time was a bit better). The neck should be in a straight line with the back but the weight of the head/helmet - or rather the whole body - is still used in the chop like Kacem said (in this particular style; Kukishin ryu). More of a poor execution then anything else, creating a unfortunante missunderstanding.
Karate, commonly have much more upright stance, hence the comment about the head leaning forward. It might have been better to say that the back leg, the spine and the neck should all be in a straight line, whith the front leg bent; making the body (and head) lean forward - but everyone has perfect hindsight. Many weaponbased styles all over the world (not just japanese) do use this principle as it gives advantage in reach, power and endurance.
The same principle can be seen in old style of japanese running (often depicting in manga and looks kind of funny funny) when you use the gravity to your advantage (the running technique almost make you constantly "fall" forward towards the ground but the step forward redirect the fall forward instead - sound wierd and is kind of hard to explain in text) which conserves energy but do not maximize speed (hence not used in modern competative running).
@@danorris5235 You'd lose focus as your eyes should be fixated on your opponent and yes, you'd be exposing your most 'critical' body part.
Metatron is my favourite italian samurai ❤
mama mia!
He is italian? Doesn't look italian
@@michelangelodealberti310 14:18
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@@michelangelodealberti310He is Sicilian
As a subscriber of Metatron and Jesse Enkamp, I never dreamed that I would actually see a video with both of them.
May I suggest a collaboration between Metatron and Jesse regarding Japanese martial arts with plenty of spoken Japanese.
Absolutely. A collaboration between these two would be so nice to watch.
That would be AWESOME!
We all want it. Have been waiting for the day they would run into each other for a while. It would be, if done right, one of if not the best episode of both channels. But Id need a 3 hour podcast with them. 10 20 mins is def not enough to do justice to either of these two giants of human beings. I would even pay for such an exchange between them.
Right. Enough talking lemme' summon them. Hope they answer the call #metatronyt #KARATEbyJesse
Jesse will appear when you mention Okinawa...
Regarding the situation were one has to fight with a fan, there is a famous historical precedent : during the fourth battle of Kawanakajima, Uesugi Kenshin rushed Takeda Shingen, who had to defend himself with his signaling fan.
From the wikipedia page :
"Eventually the Uesugi forces reached the Takeda command post, and one of the most famous single combats in Japanese history ensued. Uesugi Kenshin himself burst into the headquarters, attacking Takeda Shingen who, unprepared for such an event, parried with his signalling fan as best as he could, and held Kenshin off long enough for one of his retainers, Hara Osumi-no-Kami, to spear Kenshin's mount and drive him off"
keep in mind alot of Kenshin's exploits are romanticized HEAVILY, nearly as much as Oda's.
Those 2 were so incredible as individuals that you'd think they were part of a tale instead
@@sixmillionisimpossible I wonder how romanticized his death is tho, lol
I remember the artistic representation of Takeda Shingen, he uses a slightly different kind of iron fan, it is in the gunbai style, instead of the folding fan style. Which makes more sense as an emergency defense tool.
Edit: i hasten to add that the depiction may not be historically accurate and may be stylized, or is subjected to artistic liberty.
@@86FallowcpHistorical chronicles are regularly not written for journalistic purposes, but to glorify certain characters. And in that, even someone's death may be romanticized. All the more in a culture like the Japanese at the time.
Jesse has a “glass half full” approach to most of his videos. He tends not to criticise but instead emphasises the positives. This approach can be refreshing change as a lot of martial arts you tube content is about attacking bad practice in one art to make a presenters art look better in comparison.
Yeah. I mean, his Steven Seagal video is pretty infamous. 😂 But this style is probably how he gets so many opportunities to begin with.
Yeah, it's annoying, but it is his approach.
I make a pizza today and Metatron releases a video. Did I summon him???
As long as the pizza didn't have pineapple ... ;)
That's racist. Deliciously racist...
Do tell. What kind of 🍕 was it? 😋 ;)
@@dancekeb1308 Who do you summon when the pizza has that?
@@dancekeb1308whats wrong with pineapple?
The Wakizashi wasn't upside down. What he was showing there was a movement from Niten Ichi-ryu. I don't think there's anything from ninjutsu being shown here, but there are several schools of Japanese sword fighting and he's dipping into several of them.
Hello, I hope this comes across as respectful, the majority of martial arts was shown from the bujinkan, but I am interested in your Nito ichi ryu statement? Could I please have a link to see the difference in wakizashi style?
The wakizashi is not worn with armour, and neither was a belt worn over armour for that matter. Instead the uchigatana was used which was slung down. Niten Ichi-ryū being a rōnin style incorporated suhada kempō - swordsmanship without armour. I do not recall any drawing techniques from that, but I didn’t see much . . .
I've definitely seen tanto in reverse grip, both with edge forward (better "ice pick" stabbing, i.e. the curvature of the blade follows the arc of the stab) or edge backwards (for a downward raking attack). Historically, there's a fuzzy gray area between what is considered a tanto and what is considered a wakizashi (it's only modern Japanese commerce law that separates them by length), so it isn't necessarily wrong in the video, although Jesse wasn't holding it at an effective angle in that brief moment.
@@Sean-tb2zz thank you for the answer, I'm aware that miyomoto created the school in the Edo period , where the Tokugawa shogunate had imposed laws on wear and use of katana, do you have anything that shows the uchi katana being worn blade down? I also can't find a reference to Ronin style school?
I can't find any references to suhada kempo, pre 1910? Could I have a reference to it please?
@@dovidtauber7977 Then plz note that "Ninjutsu" and "Bujinkan" are two very different things. 6 of Bujinkan's 9 schools are more traditional Bujutsu schools and only 3 are labeled Ninpo/Ninjutsu schools. Of those 3 only 1 has been widely taught outside of Japan. The word "ninpo" has been swapped for "budo" in the name Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu since around 25 years back or so.
What was shown here is most likely from Kukishin Ryu (as it is responsible for much of the armored fighting within the Bujinknan), which is a recognized koryu that exists both inside and outside Bujinkan and has several different rather old and well established branches.
As such it is absolutely wrong to label Bujinkan as Ninjutsu even thought Bujinkan includes some Ninjutsu. Just as it would be wrong to claim that Ninjutsu is Bujinkan (there are several different schools of Ninjutsu and Bujutsu schools that include Ninjutsu or Ninjutsu like methods in their curriculum).
So yes, much of what was shown here was most likely from Bujinkan (as Kacem Zoughari is a very high ranking practitioner that that have trained since 1987 and are are personal student of Hatsumi Sensei), but not Ninjutsu.
Do note that Jesse is a competent fighter. His brother is a MMA fighter in Bellator, and Jesse is in the corner! But Jesse is also always extremly polite. No matter who he trains with in his videos he shows a positive view. Like he realy tries to find their point of view.
The dude did two days with Steven Segal and was all praise. That shows a deeper level of politness than I could ever manage 😅
The Steven Seagal video surprised me 😂
Only thing that shows is he's prone to accepting bs
@@GothPaoki segal is a legit aikido master, one of the first westerners to teach in japan. Your thoughts on aikido asside. He was a legit guy in aikido.
Steven Seagal will probably put you down.
@@N3onDr1v3 ofc there's the problem aikido itself is as legit as seagull is an actor...
I’d recommend looking at Let’s Ask Seki Sensei’s videos. He is the 22nd Headmaster of a Kabudo style called Asayama-Iciden-Ryu which dates back to the Sengoku Period. I remember seeing some techniques of him taking the enemy’s sword. But I’m pretty sure they had some context to them.
Oh, and also, he did make a video on your HEMA vs Kenjutsu video. Perhaps you can react to some of the criticisms he had for you? (Would be funny to see it the other way around 😂)
Also, about the Samurai using a fan to defend himself in a camp. There is the story of Uesugi Kenshin attacking Takeda Shingen at the Fourth Battle of Kawanakajima, and Shingen had to defend himself with his Gunbai Fan. But then again that’s if you believe the story, I personally do cause it’s epic.
I would love to see them start interacting more with each other's content, maybe make a live together (possibly remotely) talking about their Historical Martial Arts experience.
Tekada was the man. Yes it definitely happened
@@computron808 Id also give some credit to Kenshin. Considering he had the balls to charge straight into the enemy camp and try and kill his rival, IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE.
@@TheGhost-fk4eo most definitely. Takeda and Kenshin,will always be known as honorable warriors. Just about equally matched on the battlefield.
It’s funny how they had such a respect for each other, something that’s a foreign concept in modern times. I guess with good reason,depending on the enemy,especially when we’re talking terrorists like isis.
@@computron808 eh, at that point in their wars they probably hated each other, I believe it was after this battle that they began to respect each other, or it may have been after the 5th Battle. What really solidified it though, was after Hojo Ujiyasu embargoed the Takeda by not trading salt with them, Kenshin opened up trade, despite the two still being at “war” (though they werent really fighting, they ere just in a state of war). You wont see commanders doing this stuff nowadays cause if they did they’d immediately get shot. Also, you dont want your men respecting the enemy, cause then they would hesitate, and its a lot harder to convince people to fight an enemy if they respect them. So people will dehumanise the enemy, which has been done for thousands of years, but especially nowadays through propaganda.
I practiced ninjutsu a long time ago for almost 5 years and even though I don't recognize the specific techniques shown here, your assumption that "all of this hiding" seems like ninjutsu is spot on. I practiced many types of martial arts in my life and in my experience, those who have trained for years in one style are often bullish about the benefits of that particular style and unwilling to concede that other styles may have any real merits. When this guy got his museum gig, he should have broadened his practical skills before claiming expertise in this way.
What's the story about ninjustsu? I don't really know much about them but I always assumed most of it must be modern where they've guessed what techniques and tricks they used.
Because wouldn't it be almost impossible to find the secrets of ancient secret espionage and spying techniques?
And I don't mean that in a bad way, it sounds really cool.
Edit: I totally agree with your point about the museum guy should have expanded his knowledge and not remained hyper-focused and bullish on his personal favourite.
@@Wintermute909It’s more or less completely made up bullshit.
You know, the kind of “martial art” where you can be considered a “master” despite never having had a real fight.
Ahhhhhh watching naruto and doing funny runs and hand signs does not mean you practice ninjitsu.
Is like someone saying had modern warfare combat experience by just playing call of duty lol.
But anyways cool story bro!!! XD
@@Wintermute909There is no evidence of any distinctly Shinobi martial arts besides the addiction of subterfuge and guerilla warfare techniques, which are generally oriented around tricks for invading places or fleeing, not for combat or assassination per se. Most of what we know about ninja scrolls are more along the lines of applying Sun Tsu's _Art of War_ than martial arts in the conventional sense.
@@Wintermute909 You're right that it's supposed to be secret knowledge and it supposedly was for a long time until they started to practice more openly about a century ago. Nobody really knows if any genuinely ancient techniques really made it all the way through to present day.
The Ninjutsu style I practiced was called Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and it included 9 different schools. In my humble opinion, it's similar to karate but with more focus on balance, on finding the vulnerable points and on hiding your intent. It includes a lot of jiu-jitsu-like grips and wrestling moves, twisting joints and throttling. We practiced about 15 different strike techniques with fingers, knuckles and hands. For me, it was a bit annoying that they kept requiring us to graduate to the next level (10th kiu to 9th kiu and so on) and by the time I was graduating for the 1st degree black belt, my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I was young and restless and wanted to move on.
Its not real samurai training and dietary conditions until you get beriberi from a lack of thiamine fortitude and then having a chonmage to cover your hair recession.
Beriberi in Japanese context is a distinctly modern phenomenon, it came from eating solely white rice in the Meiji period, as opposed to the less tasty but more nutritionally rich brown rice more common the the earlier periods.
White rice used to be something people in high positions (like retainers, samurai etc.) ate. It's Ironic that it's actually less nutritious xD but I guess they also had more of it available.@@radekvavricka5382
Yeah it's not like he really did any training, they just fiddled with a few things to keep in mind and there was no constant repetition for hours to build that neuro pathway as if he was training For an upcoming event. The title should have been I spent good afternoon with a samurai historian and this is what he taught me
The hair line receding is the cruelest joke played by mother nature
@JohnDoe-ne1ni especially if you had a really nice hair to begin with it's even more cruel😩
Glad to hear you enjoyed Jesse's video! I highly recommend his channel, especially his documentary on the origins of karate. As you may have surmised from this video, Karate is his main subject which he knows the most about. He does branch out and make videos where he learns about other martial arts, but those videos (much like this one) can only be as good as the guest he has.
That's how I found his channel too. His trip to China with Monkey Steals Peach. That was a great docu series.
I’ve always been interested in sam-you-rye too
😂😂😂😂
Are you also a fan of swerds? XD
@@rhawkas2637 who isn’t?
Yes, I particularly like sam-you-rye with sam-you-turkey and sam-you-spicy mustard and sam-you-chees. Admittedly though, due to lactose intolerance in Japan, sam-you-cheese isn't historically accurate.
@@rhawkas2637 Yeah, the swerd master really nose his staff.
Yes! I finally found something I can one-up Metatron on; I can read Classical Japanese without a dictionary. . . mostly. But in all seriousness this was a surprisingly enjoyable museum tour, though if you really want to train like a samurai (particularly a Heian and Kamakura period samurai) you should look into yabusame, (流鏑馬) which is traditional Japanese horseback archery. Maybe the next video we send our boy is one of people trying yabusame?? Regardless, a fun video from both creators, as always Metatron's commentary is always great.
Just looked up yabusame. First time I'm hearing about it. Very interesting
Just wondering, are differences between classical Japanese and Chinese very big? Cause as a Chinese who can't speak Japanese, I read and understand (or I thought) like more than 70% of the classical Japanese text.
@@williamberne Well I understand a grant total of 0 Chinese so I can't say with 100% certainty. What I can say in brief though is that Classical Chinese was to Japan what Latin was to most of Europe back in the day; the language of the educated elite. For the Japanese, pretty much all their "official" written works (family histories, law codes, imperial edicts, temple dedications, etc.) were written in essentially Classical Chinese with some leniency for names and other places that it was appropriate, so I'm guessing you'd be able to understand a lot of that. But they wrote their tales and stories in their own language often using kana instead of kanji. So basically, I wouldn't be surprised if you understood something like Prince Shotoku's 17 Article Constitution or maybe even something like the Nihon Shoki, but I'd be very surprised if you could understand something like Taketori Monogatari or Makura no Soshi.
Jesse is one of those people who is eager to learn new stuff all the time despite how experienced he is himself. I believe he also has a video where he tries to overcome late 14th/early 15th century plate harness with the weapons he is familiar with (mostly Japanese weaponry), if that is of any interest to you.
Enjoyable analysis. It is always good to get a second opinion from someone who knows their stuff when it comes to museum showcases or documentaries, just in case.
Ye I like him, he seems very nice.
@@metatronyt I highly recommend his video where he spars hema guys using kobudo, it is very good.
@@metatronyt What's you're opinion on Shinkendo and Toyama Ryu?
@@metatronytWould be cool to see a collab of some sort between you guys
@@metatronyt I would absolutely love to see you react to his video called "I Fought A KNIGHT With Real Weapons" which may be the video the OP is referring to, It's good but there are some very questionable things in it that I'd like to hear your opinion on!
"Some people spend their lifetime with a lie." - 30 years of ninjutsu.
💀
Yes and no. As mentioned by Methatron himself ninjutsu is a coverd and secret school of spionage, there are just a few written documents discibing the form. This makes it difficult to separate the schools with a lineage and a MC Dojo.
@@RubensBudgetCreations Espionage is NOT a martial art. 😂😂😂
@@maxgehtdnixan4913 that's what they want you to believe.
I understand your frustration at the amount of curators that know very little about their charges.
I spent a lot of years going to roslin chapel for research and the curator would spot me and send visitors with serious questions directly to me.
I had so many over the years just approach me and start asking about the chapel that I became habituated to filling in my latest conjectures and discoveries.
I ended up being given privileged access to parts of the chapel reserved for the lord st clair and family.
unfortunately, the curate didn't elect to follow us, or he would have had far more information himself.
18:13 the belt is an yoroi obi a padded belt which goes UNDER the armor it is to absorb impact and allow a tight but comfortable fit of the Do (the one shown is rather small its edo style many were much longer
You'll absolutely love Jesse! he's very humble and polite and as he's always trying to learn new things, he doesn't get confrontational.
He's trying to get other people's perspectives and really shines when he's with people who know what they're doing!
Thanks for reacting to this and don't forget, always re-stomp the groin!
The sensei here, Dr. Zoughari is a high ranking practitioner of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu and a student of Soke Masaaki Hatsumi. The Bujinkan is nine ryuha which I think includes 4 ninjutsu lineages and 6 Samurai lineages. Some of which is claimed to be koryu though there is debate. I think even Antony Cummins (who was kicked out of the Bujinkan for telling the hombu dojo sensei that they need to revise their instruction style and denounces the historicity of the ryuha) accepts that the Kuki lineage teachings seem to be koryu. If anyone wants to dig into the historicity of it I suggest the writings of Sean Askew who has done a lot of historical digging in the subject. This is perhaps the most milquetoast demo I've ever seen Kacem give. I very much enjoy watching him move in other videos. Thanks for sharing and giving your thoughts on this Metatron.
How is Masaaki Hatsumi doing now are days . 15 years ago, I took part in a seminar he did in the Netherlands.
How old is he now he must be somewhere near 93 now ❤.
Hope he's still in good health ❤
No it's not, Ninjas didn't have their own specific martial arts, respectfully, that idea's fucking stupid, They would have done the same kenjutsu, iaijutsu and jujutsu That every single other member of the samurai cast would have done ninjas were just samurai that specialized in spycraft.
@@gnos1s171 Hatsumi Soke is quoted having said that ninpo taijustsu IS budo taijutsu. Which I take to mean the ninja that had fighting skills were basically doing what the samurai with fighting skills were doing. (Of course often Samurai were employed as ninja, they were not always exclusive to one another.) except that there are groups like the yamabushi and family clans that developed their own specific styles of combat some of which had foreign influence and those people did ninja work. Of all the martial arts I've trained in Takamatsuden budo emphasizes things that others don't. Those things do pertain to an espionage adjacent way of doing things. Read Sean Askew or Don Roley for a more nuanced history. I recommend looking into what differentiates the ninja traditions from the samurai traditions. I think you will find that it has less to do with fighting and more to do with espionage but more than that they had their own subcultures, which colored many aspects of their lives, from combat to religious practices. Even the samurai were doing various types of taijutsu, why would you think that families doing insular training in Iga and Koka and the hermetic shukenja wouldn't have their own martial henka? Dr. Zoughari himself has a PhD in Japanese martial history. In his book 'the Ninja' he has a hairsplitting 4 page chart on the timeline of martial arts in Japanese history going from the 10th century to Okinawa te. In the same book he says "...Ninpo is a collection of adaptable survival techniques that allow one to face the uncertainties of life and to respond to dangerous situations, through physical and psychological discipline, where one uses unorthodox weapons in unorthodox ways." - Zoughari. Does that sound like people doing things the same way as everybody else?
@@gnos1s171 Ninja was a class of occupation within the noble classes of japan, they were made up of multiple clans in different areas of Japan and at various points in time they practiced different types of jujitsu. In Bujinkan they teach Kenjutsu and Kenjutsu include Iaijutsu only when talking about modern kendo do we seperate the terms with Iaijutsu distinction, they also teach Jujitsu. Half of the collection of Jujitsu schools are Samurai who practiced espionage the other half are just regular samurai schools.
@@rodharris948 no. You're wrong, they were samurai caste members that belonged to SAMURAI. CLANS. BECAUSE THEY. WERE. SAMURAI.
I watched the original some time ago and found the martial instructions weird at the time. Now you highlight that he did/does ninjitsu, it makes perfect sense. From the little I know, these moves of same arm same side are very characteristic of ninjitsu movements.
You probably already heard about Czech V.O.X. channel because of some interviews about Kingdom Come they did with developers, one guy from this channel also tried to do the samurai training with our the most known sensei and not only for day, for few weeks I think.
Spoiler: he ended in a pond during his fight with his master after few weeks of training 😀
Fun fact: the Jesse Enkamp video was only 2.5 minutes long without Metatrons analysis. 😊
That is why martial arts works all teach you how to judge reach and maintain proper distances to avoid getting hit in first place, while allowing you to be able to get in a strike when there is an opportunity to do so.
Thank you Metatron, this is one of my favorite videos from you it was very entertaining listening to your reaction on Jessie's video.
im glad you said your skeptical of martial arts and only like what actually works, knowing your history in martial etc its really good to hear a realistic perspective from someone of you bona fides in karate etc.
I find the head hunting practise among samurai fascinating.
I'm currently writing a historical Japan-inspired fantasy novel and head hunting is a plot point in the opening chapter. The protagonist (a mercenary ronin) is bemoaning the fact that he wasn't able to take a head during the battle that had just finished.
Don't forget to take inspiration from history such as the Siege of Kawagoe where a relief force of 8,000 and 3,000 soldiers within the castle staged a lightning night raid against the 80,000 man siege force and their tactic was literally don't headhunt or you'll give the enemy time to respond.
My intuition tells me that Jessie will never answer back and not because he wouldn't want to, but because his channel is, how to put it, not as controversial.
jesse have a grat channel. training the okinawa style karate, but he goes around alot to different places and learn stuff. and in his videos he let the instructor tell him and his stuff, even if he doesnt agree with him he lets him with a smile on his face. very good channel!
It is so nice to have a 100% positive channel. The internet is fueled by outrage. But Jesse? He just keeps on smiling and being genuinley interested in what he does.
I love it! Jesse y metatron tendrían que hacer un vídeo juntos en Okinawa, "el lugar donde nació el karate"
"Ninjutsu" isn't a historical martial art. It is a style created in the late 20th century to emulate what they thought that was taught to ninjas in the feudal Japan.
Historical ninjas did not had a dedicated martial arts taught to them. If they were to fight, they'd learn any martial art that was already available to samurai, such as kenjutsu or jujutsu. The whole "hooded-pajama-wearing" ninja is a myth that was imagined by fiction writers and seared into Japanese popular culture. The ninja would appear as being either a farmer or a samurai in their disguise.
Always enjoyed Jesse's videos.
Instant sub here today. Great reaction and breakdown.
Gretings from Italy! Great video, I would like to add some depth on why Jesse referred to “kumite” while talking about grappling and close quarter techniques. Kumite is the name given to different forms of sparring in modern karate and, as you probably know, kumi-te means crossed or entangled hands. The origin of the name almost certainly comes from two interrelated sources. When karate people had sparring matches in Okinawa from the later half of the 19th century up more or less to the 1920s they started the fight from a crossing wrists position as they do in many chinese martial arts (these bouts were called kakedameshi). At the same time some sources affirm that Okinawan Sumo (a style that can link both to Shuai Jiao and to mainland Sumo) was referred to as Tegumi in regional dialect. The word Te-gumi is made up of the same exact kanji that we find in Kumite (modern karate sparring) they are just reversed in their order whitch also causes the slight difference in spelling. So to close up while grappling in armor was called yoroi-gumi in Japan in the Ryukyu Kingdom (todays Okinawa) they had the practice of te-gumi or kumite, as said in the video to hint at the linguistical relation between these forms of close quarter fighting and grappling.
Sadly, Jessie Enkamp haven't visited the Chiba Dojo in Munich in order to experience samurai training / Koryu Bujutsu with samurai armor etc. TBH, this would've been a better video for him in the end.
Such a great video. Looking more into Dr. Kacem Zoughari it appears that rather than actually studying even Ninjutsu he studied Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu under Ishizuka sensei. So a smattering of Koryu sadly obfuscated by decades of Hatsumi's well meaning but largely perfomative gap filling.
It is extremely rare for any academic to have any practical experience in what they teach. Those who teach Greek Comedy for example are not usually also stand up comedians. Presumably when he does his academic write ups he plays the game of peer review and is more tentative in summarizing scholarship and suggesting areas for farther study. And when he does youtube videos for laypeople he turns more into the peforming arts LARPer that is martial arts in a way unless that upsets people in which case if you want to challenge me to any actual combat to the death I shall yield and bow to your superior mojo
Great video as always! Jesse has some fantastic content. His speciality is the Okinawa style of Karate, but you'll see in his channel that he learned the basics of most martial arts. Sensei Seth and Icy Mike (hard2hurt) are two other channels that are entertaining and informational.
"30 years in experience in ninjutsu" is the equivalent of saying "ive never done martial training but me and my friends larp a lot"
That's wrong on so many levels.
@@vorrnth8734 ninjutsu is as much a martial art training discipline as watching anime lol
Heavily depends on the instructors.
The techniques and concepts itself are legit. The only problem is that many practitioners refuse to do any resistance-training up to the point that they don't understand what they are actually doing.
In my dojo, there are many people with backgrounds in other martial arts. Shotokan Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo, HEMA and so on. All of us know how "real" sparring should look like. And we actually manage to pull off many Ninjutsu-techniques in sparring. I even started to use Ninjutsu-stuff in my Judo-sparrings/randori. Because Ninjutsu does work.
Only the practitioners don't lol.
@@kaseflip9655 lol, it sounds like a huge cope to say "well, ninjutsu doesnt actually work but these other martial arts do and they say im cool so its ok" lol
@@enriquecabrera2137 huh? All of us make Ninjutsu work in a full-resistance scenario. I just mentioned the other arts to ensure that with "sparring" I actually mean "sparring" and not some no-contact-stuff. Don´t try to twist my words here.
If you go there and make an in-depth video going over every that would be great and would watch.
At last, a real Metatron video and not click bait bs. I'll give you a like!
The ‘tubular belt’ is meant to be worn underneath (!) the armour - under the ‘cuirass’ - as a cushion, so as to relieve the weight by redirecting it onto the hips (!).
A regular type of obi could be worn on the outside, if the samurai would wear a ‘daishō-configuration’ (katana & wakizashi); or a tachi & tantō (or wakizashi) could be attached with sageo, in various ways.
I live in Berlin and didn't even know this existed. Well, I'm going to check it out. Thanks. :)
Very informative - THANKS!
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Have discovered your channel through this programme and subscribed to your channel, look forward to looking at your work!
Have you contacted Kacem over your points on martial technique? If so it would be great to get the two of you together.
His series in Okinawa is awesome.
The french guide ,giving a tour to Jessie, is Kacem Zoughari. I actually met him in a ninpo seminar like almost 20 years ago,if I remember correctly he showed us how to evade sword attacks , how to execute counters and takedowns while being armed with katana, tanto or wakizashi.
Why his attacks look very weird is because he's a Bujinkan 'shidoshi' ...that should tell you a lot.
Bujinkan swordplay is very poor no matter how they have 6 samurai styles in their curriculum. It's comical how bad it is for sustained combat. Footwork is particularly bad. They have some cool tricks.
I mean, he also hosted a ninja larper, so this isn't surprising.
I was not expecting this crossover.
I have yet to watch the rest of the video, so im going to do that in a moment, but to clarify to you that in Bujinkan ninjutsu, we call it ninjutsu as a colloquial term. In actuality a more proper name for it woulkd be Bujinkan style budo taijutsu, or budo. The bujinkan includes 9 seperate schools and lineages of martial arts which date back to different time periods in japanese history, think of it almost like how modern mma includes multiple styles into 1 art, the same goes for with the bujinkan. 6 of the schools we train are samurai ryuha. These being Gyokko Ryū, Kuki Shinden Ryū, Koto Ryū, Shinden Fudo Ryū, Takagi Yoshin Ryū Jūtai jutsu and Gikan Ryū, and many of these have lists of the lineages and the dates for each Soke, though of course i cant speak accurately for if these can be proven definitively of course. What you might notice is that a few of these styles are old jujutsu styles, Shinden Fduo for example supposedly tracing back to the year 1130 being created by Ganpachiro Temeyoshi. The 3 "Ninja" schools which are Togakure-ryū, Gyokushin-ryū and Kumogakure Ryū dont in all honesty have that much known about them, kumogakure being mostly passed on through word of mouth rather than densho scrolls. So as a clarification, Bujinkan ninjutsu is more of a samurai art than it is a Ninja one. With the most likely theory being that most shinobi no mono would've come from the samurai class anyway, and would've sometimesperformed spycraft as an extention of their regular samurai duties, with some clans such as the Hattori or Iga/Koka clans supposedly specializing in this. Though of course the lineage is not really as traceable as many styles of Koryū, so skeptecism is understandable. Hopefully this clarifies some things for you from the perspective of the art as a whole. Knowing you I should.ve probably typed this after finishing the video because you are usually very thorough with your research, I can't wait to watch your response to this though since I watched the original video when it released. (Edit, So when it comes to striking the chestplate with the palm of the hand, it's not used to injure the opponent because of course you cant with a chestplate on, but rather to create distance and space between you and your opponent and to stop them from advancing, it is used as a setup for throws as armoured fighting is all about the kuzushi which is the taking of your opponents balance, with armour on its much harder to keep yourself from falling when your centre of gravity is taken. Palm strikes into the breastplate are used in techniques mainly from Kukishin Ryū, It is used to attack places where there is armour, because as you know if you punch a chestplate, even with kote on, you are gonna mess up your hands pretty badly. Of course any samurai worth their salt isnt going to let you take their sword easily so that's absolutely fair, but if you are the better fighter you can absolutely create the opportunity to steal a sword, we have many many techniques for muto dori, which are techniques for fighting against an opponent with a weapon when you yourself do not have one, for example if you were disarmed. The lowering the head part I agree with, im assuming this was more to explain the concept of "sinking your weight with the strike" and using the weight of the armour to aid in your cut. Though we wouldnt lower our head usually, the posture is always kept straight and looking towards your opponent, In kukishinden which encompasses most of the nujinkans armoured fighting techniques, we would lift up the front leg and almost stomp and sink down into the attack in the same way other styles do. In terms of discussing it being kenjutsu, I would say yes, as Kukishinden ryu is a samurai school that teaches kenjutsu, the ninjutsu stuff would be called "bikenjutsu" and comes from togakure ryu, in which we use a shinobigatana or a togakure ryu style sword. In modern terms we would call it a "ninjato" but its of course not historically accurate, and no sensei I have spoke to has claimed that a ninjato would be a hollywood style sword with a straight blade and square tsuba, but rather a regular katana handle with a shorter blade, or sometimes with a long wakizashi blade used but I digress. In the case of Kukishinden, the sword is usually a tachi or a long handled uchigatana as it uses "battlefield" swords in its kenjutsu techniques mostly. In our training we absolutely do suffer from the "time freezing" in kata, but this is mainly just to learn the movements in a theoretical attack pattern, we will also usually practice these techniques then at full speed, and will perform henka, which are variations on the technique. So it opens a lot of possibilities on different things that could happen. The bujinkan, at least with all the training I have done so far, greatly emphasizes adaptability and discourages being stagnant as is seen in many styles of Japanese martial arts. Hopefully I have clarified some things for you as a Bujinkan Budo practitioner and given some context to things that weren't explained in the video. Also the video was really amazing btw, I would love to see you react to some more videos, perhaps some more of the videos from "lets ask seki sensei" and his use of HEMA weapons from the perspective of a kobudo master, if you havent already. Perhaps one day you could also have a look at some Bujinkan stuff, and preferably avoid the bullshido aspect that can be seen in some Bujinkan dojos unfortunately, I have seen somebody training techniques with a giant log and was actually perplexed at what I was watching)
Jessie Enkamp has a great channel!
He truly is a karate nerd and martial arts enthusiast. Very nice guy with interesting and engaging content full of humor. I believe he comes from a martial arts family and his brother is a UFC pro.
He did do several videos where he was in Okinawa and detailing Karate history.
The armor and sword he tries are replicas.
19:25 is such a cool moment, analyzing someone's martial arts style from one punch is like something out of a martial arts anime.
The Samurai Museum in Berlin is amazing, they have this fun mix of historical pieces and a high-tech war to present them, kinda fits japan really well.
They have this 3-d sculptet map of japan, where the clans and rulers are projected on, like in a video game.
Oh, by the way: That "axe-spear" thing is nothing other than a hardware store axe mounted on the same stick as the spear. How that escaped both Metatron and Encamp is really beyond me...
Collab with Jesse man, that would be an amazing martial arts/ Japanese history video for sure
I am a huge Karate nerd fan. Hope he got it right, lets see...
Jesse is awesome His channel is all about his martial arts journey and he goes around the world learning the real history of different martial arts and karate.
You don't have to be Knight in order to be an 'expert' in Knighthood. A typical logical fallacy (Appealing to Authority).
I'm not a martial artist myself, but, from the perspective of a street fighter, it makes sense to me that you would use any technique that you have at hand at the moment of a massive battle between armies. Soldiers do that all the time. I have no reason to think it haven't been that way since the dawn of war.
I can even say that, most ninja techniques look just like that: tricks that someone used to survive certain situation and a ninja heard about it and incorporated it into its personal fighting style.
This salute appears in the Shotokan kata Jion. What’s interesting to me with 2 plus decades of traditional kunfu is that this particular salute. Palm relaxed over the hand, is actually used as an entry for Chinese wrestling techniques. jion kata contains a lot of movements applicable to close fighting, Takedowns throws etc.
The movement itself is not the worst thing you can do in an immediate self defence situation. keeping the one hand wrapped over the fist, thrust both hands straight forward to your opponents face, while tucking your head forward between your shoulders, tucking your chin, and moving into your attacker.
Talking of samurai....where are the shogun reviews 😢
Yes!!!
I'd love to hear more about the experience of being an interpreter for Sugino sensei.
Cool. I'm going to Berlin next weekend, and I was thinking of visiting that museum.
So weighing in as another ninjutsu practitioner. First off the use of the term ninjutsu I feel is more a colloquialism than an actual style as the word means more or less "the art of endurance" as the kanji used for nin(or shinobu) is sword over heart and means "patience" or to endure something. Now modern ninjutsu is not necessarily koryu imo(as it is my opinion take it with a grain of salt), and falls more under gendai budo, and an amalgamation of the various schools that have all been gathered into one place. All of the stances and techniques taught are based off of the use of various weapons and then how you would also use the same attack empty handed. The first one that is mostly learned is Ichimonji and its mainly reminiscent of wielding a spear. All in all what is taught it based off of samurai budo, not any specific koryu despite, in the bujinkan association, there being 9 koryu schools claimed most of which overlap with each other teaching strikes, grappling, and weapons. Its basically "medieval MMA." My personal experience with ninjutsu is not necessarily how do the techniques actually work, but rather how do you apply the concept of said techniques. I go out to other gyms and spar with them using these concepts and sometimes blow people minds with the "how did you do that?" reactions, its quite invigorating :) There was one instance where Dr. Kacem showed how he would make a couple strikes before he pulled the sword from his opponent, either hitting the vital neck spot between the armor or a palm strike to the do. If you just take that for what you see then yea doesn't seem very practical, but if you think about it for a second he's not hitting the armor with a full strike like you would a punch, he's more doing with the intention of unbalancing or pushing his opponent and then taking his weapon.
That said most Koryu today are a very small sliver of what was taught back during and before the Sengoku Jidai. Samurai learned the spear, bow, horse riding, kenjutsu, tanto-justu, bo-jutsu, empty hand and many other types of ways of combat. As time went on during peace time people went off and specialized in teaching just Bow, or sword, or spear, and all the way up today you have the very splintered specializations. There are some like Katori Shinto Ryu that still incorporate many different weapons into their curriculum, but they are I feel the exception of today not the rule. Most koryu schools practice a single aspect of combat, whether it be karate, kenjutsu, kyudo, iaijutsu, etc.
Back to regards of the video and Dr. Kacem. He is indeed a very knowledgeable individual when it comes to samurai history and budo in general. That being said what I know of the man is that his knowledge is very broad and his knowledge on the use of each weapon is not based on specific koryu styles, but the most practical application of said weapons. His explenations in the video were meant to be very broad and conceptual in natureYou mentioned to go and find an instructor from japan to talk about how the samurai fought, but even that will be colored in a very specific bias based on the style that instructor specializes in. Those styles are based off of what was taught to samurai of a specific province. Ryuha techniques are based on a plethora of factors from how large the blade of your sword is, to deciding if its the left or the right foot forward. This is a very long winded way of saying just because you don't necessarily agree with his explanations doesn't mean he's wrong.
I'm sure there's a lot more I can say here but I'm not trying to do a whole ass TED talk :p
Metatron and Jesse occupy different style platforms. Metatron is the debunking fact checker and Jesse more the respectful listener with beginner's mind who makes entertaining youtube videos for the casual hobbyist or someone who came across it by accident. An expert is always going to be disappointed with anything done for a lay general interest audience. All very confusing mind but this is the interweb
You've got to check out Jesse's other video with this guy - "Ninjutsu Is NOT What You Think"
Would be cool to see a reaction of that too. Jesse is great.
There's also a video that counters that video from: Samurai and Ninja History with Antony Cummins - "Jesse Enkamp and his Ninja Master video is a problem".
So I think it would be a great video to get your perspective on if you watch both.
Ave Metatron. Brother you should/could do a review of the entire Shogun 2024 series. Take care Friend.
80s mini-series is much better. Watch that instead. Novel is a classic read.
@@aweigh1010 Read the book right after the finale. I had seen a DVD set of the 80s a few years back but only remember bits and pieces. I do think that both the televised versions improved on the novel, which is kind of rare; usually adapted novels are watered down versions of the source material.
This will be fun
Metatron did Kyokushin? amazing
Regarding the palm heel strike, I did learn it in American kenpo. It's a modern style (of course), but does trace its lineage through traditional karate. Vs. armor, it won't do a lot, but a lucky strike to the chin could disorient. The main reason why not to use a closed fist is a closed fist against something hard can easily lead to broken fingers.
I've read about the fight between Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshin where Uesugi blocked Takeda's sword with a fan
I've always understood the testing of armor to be "shot proofing" in the era, as it covered launched missiles from sling, bow, crossbow and later firearms. When charging the firearm was a multi-step process involving primer, powder, wadding and shot (or ball, since the shot was round), the word "bullet-proof" didn't enter the written lexicon until 1816.
Best of both worlds on this one. Fighting and history 👍
From what I know, there's one pretty famous example (possibly apocryphal) of that exact situation, a samurai defending against a sword with an iron fan - Takeda Shingen in his camp against Uesugi Kenshin who managed to unexpectedly attack it.
12:16 While trophy today is mostly used in the context of a sports trophy, it also has the meaning of an object used to display your success in hunting or war. This is the definition used in trophy hunting. And under this definition, saying they took the heads as trophies would not be incorrect, as they were used to display and prove their success on the battlefield to their lords.
Okay, go to the Museum in Germany and have an argument with the curator. That would be fun.
You obviously didn't watch the video because he's practically praised both of them throughout the whole video
@@maximos905 Do you know what a sense of humour is?
@@stax6092 I don't get British humor, sorry bro
I'd love to see your reaction, or commentary, on the last samurai movie.
Just a quick aside that at 14:42 the guide talks about weapons being a necessary evil in Taoism. I believe it's probably Buddhism he's referring to, where some schools preach minimal and defensive use of force. I am basing my view on the fact that Taoism isn't as widespread in Japan as Buddhism and that in several east Asian societies, Buddhism acts as a philosophy by warriors for self-cultivation and growth. In any case, great content as usual 🙂
I would 100% watch a video of Metatron visiting this museum.
Can't really remember the source but some samurai did wear Kote on top of the Do for more comfort, both in the sense of movement and of air circulation. There are some historical depictions of this (quite rare) practice.
I would recommend checking out Jesse’s series where he looks at the history of Karate both in Okinawa and then China. Super interesting.
Arghh love Jesse. I feared this day.
He’s a super nice guy and positive teacher and whilst I don’t do Karate (I do Muay Thai and BJJ) he genuinely makes me interested in it.
The way they salute at the beginning of your video, joining their hands "as they do in Kung Fu" you said, is not qpecific to Kung Fu, but to Zheng Chenggong (Koxinga) followers in southeast China. It's been exported to Okinawa when Fujianese people settled in Okinawa. It's still used in Okinawan Karate nowadays, and as Jessie used to be also a student of Okinawan Karate, this is why 😉
Bruh, in 5th grade a class mate told me to go into the tiny school library and look at a specific book, and the book showed painted pictures of swords being tested on prisoners. The illustrations also showed 2 bodies on top of each other cut in half, and it was quite graphic, I don't remember guts though, but lots of red. Why on earth would they put something like that in a school library where 11 year olds could see this kind of stuff, lol.
Why? Have you ever read Grimm’s Tales or Mother Goose? Seen a butcher’s shop with the meat NOT wrapped in cellophane?
@@davidweihe6052 What are you getting at?
@@davidweihe6052 Would you care to clarify? 🥺👉👈
These days they ban Roald Dahl from school libraries. I guess its fashion. We censor different stuff these days claiming we want to protect kids but usually when politicians say that its about farthering some other agenda.
What a great museum. In some small, private museums, it is easier for visitors to touch their collections. There is a private museum where I live, and visitors can apply to the museum to touch the collection. It will be easier if the visitor is a student from the Department of Literature, Archeology, or History. Public museums often require working there to actually touch the collections.
"What does 'katana' mean?"
"It means Japanese sword."
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Funny thing: there once was a competition to design a fifth turtle. I came up with a female. Name: Mona Lisa, pink mask and weapon: a fan. People were like: female, pink mask ... OK, but a fan to fight with?
I own a copy of the FRPG Bushido, and there is a metal fan that is used to slash opponents. Its advantage is that it can be hidden in plain sight until deployed as a weapon; its disadvantage is that it is just a fan, hardly a battlefield weapon :-)
Karate is a Okinawa martial art. It was introduced to Japan as an organized system in late 19th to early 20th century. Jujitsu is a Japanese martial art. Akido was a 20th early century martial art.
This has become a new bucket list museum
I have done Kendo / Battojutsu and "Bujinkan" Ninjutsu before I went over to shoalin Kempo before I quit...
Whenever I hear someone say they are an expert in "ninjutsu" I always raise an eyebrow.. especially when they just say "ninjutsu" without adding which style
Because yeah... Most ninjutsu teachers are filled with bs unless they tell you straight up what you learn has nothing to do with actual shinobi back then and it's just a mix of a lot of martial arts
Now if Metatron reacts to Sensei Seth... That would perfect
After watching this video I have to say that he shouldn't have titled it that he trained a certain way for day because he basically just took a tour and then got a very very small tutorial. That's not training. He just got a few examples to keep in mind with no real mind-muscle practice
"I Spent an Afternoon with a SAMURAI HISTORIAN and This is What I Learned." How's that 😅
Yah exactly my take too. It seems like a perfectly fine video, certainly taking into account Metatron’s constructive critique, but why the clickbait title? To me that’s kinda lame.
I know plenty of content creator’s employ hyperbole in titles, that’s fine, but imo this goes way beyond effective exaggeration: if I had watched this video on my own I’d have been expecting something far, far different.
@@methodsocratic true because if you have an interesting video it's going to draw people in regardless. It's definitely more annoying when they end the title with "and this happened" yet nothing comes to exposure as if they think Their audience will either forget what they read on the title before the video finishes or they just aren't paying attention
@@drip369 yah I think this is a really good point you make here: if content can’t stand on its own without a misleading title, that’s much more important than a title being accurate or not; & conversely, if a video is interesting & awesome on its own, which this video from Jesse Enkamp seems to be, a) it doesn’t need a misleading title, & b) a misleading title actually *takes away* from content that otherwise would’ve been great.
@@methodsocratic I don't know the channel but if it was good enough for it to come across our host's desk, so to speak, then it's not like the guy really needs to grow his channel if it's already big enough, he just needs to maintain it. I mean at the obsession of trying to make every last video go viral ends up disappointing a lot of loyal subscribers. What our host does is keep everything consistent when it comes to the quality, maybe doing a couple of interesting thumbnails that make you wonder what's going on but he doesn't have to play that game because he has enough loyal subscribers to boost the algorithm to get his video in front of more eyes so of course we love the Metatron and he will continue to thrive
@@drip369 yah, & like, it’s just an opinion, that I think the title is a (relatively minor) problem. I can only speak for myself, but i personally (especially when it comes to anything regarding history or any of the sciences) will unfollow or never-watch-again a creator who uses clickbait style titles. I want to be entertained & also *credibly* informed. The opposite is true as well: if a creator does accurately describe their content, that stands out to me, because so much crap out there is clickbait.
After my knowledge practically every smoth bore gun can be used as a shootgun!
3:57 Oh my god, that tune brought me back to when I was five.
Jessie has a very open mind when it comes to martial arts, even going as far as training with Steven Segal (which was quite a disaster ngl XD), in this video, I loved the museum part of it, but even after leaving my martial arts discipline, the final half of the video wasn't the best either, but I still love Jessie.
I can't see really harping on it too much. It's just a little infotainment video. It's not something anyone is going to take too seriously. But the collection was absolutely just wowzers. If I had the ability to go there, I would in a heartbeat. Even if I didn't get an opportunity to see the special room. I'd still be more than happy to see the public parts of it.
I just realised you have a sega dreamcast there? I mean maybe im tripping but that looks like a sega dreamcast. Ngl love that console.
I feel like someone glued on the fuzzy moustache later as a joke.